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#91
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11
Last post by Ross - December 18, 2025, 01:19:42 AM :thumbsup:
Spiritual difference to the flesh is reality.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
Agree about the concept that there is that one taken is transferred to the kingdom of God yet is still right next to family and friends who have not yet experienced that transfer.
Also consider the reality of those taken as first fruit before the millennium and those who are not watching the event. That would demonstrate that the changes are reality with no more speculation or varying opinions
Spiritual difference to the flesh is reality.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
Agree about the concept that there is that one taken is transferred to the kingdom of God yet is still right next to family and friends who have not yet experienced that transfer.
Also consider the reality of those taken as first fruit before the millennium and those who are not watching the event. That would demonstrate that the changes are reality with no more speculation or varying opinions
#92
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: wheel within wheel?
Last post by Ross - December 18, 2025, 01:09:43 AMWheel within wheel: interesting similarity within incredible engineering, like a watch for instance- many little cogs/wheels, which work at different rates and directions yet are precise in the outcome.
Vehicles drive along at varying speeds and loads, yet they too have wheels of different sizes and forms.
History has many different events but great similarity of motive/objective but seem to repeat over and over.
Ecclesiastes points this out.
IMO this seems to be like this so many people and generations go through problems and ethical issues to learn about the depth of creation and perceive the system necessary for true equality along with mutual respect for positive outcomes.
Our current state of being has selfish ambition, superiority, lust, pride,... Christ gave the demonstration that doesn't show that sort of behaviour and values as how we should live. His wheels within wheels are working to head us in the right direction empowered by His power and love.
Vehicles drive along at varying speeds and loads, yet they too have wheels of different sizes and forms.
History has many different events but great similarity of motive/objective but seem to repeat over and over.
Ecclesiastes points this out.
IMO this seems to be like this so many people and generations go through problems and ethical issues to learn about the depth of creation and perceive the system necessary for true equality along with mutual respect for positive outcomes.
Our current state of being has selfish ambition, superiority, lust, pride,... Christ gave the demonstration that doesn't show that sort of behaviour and values as how we should live. His wheels within wheels are working to head us in the right direction empowered by His power and love.
#93
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11
Last post by GodSavesAll - December 18, 2025, 12:25:39 AMQuote
My question is this?
When two are grinding at the wheel one is taken and the other left, should this be taken literally? Or is there a spiritual understanding to it ? I was thinking along the lines of being born literally and then being born again from above.
Rose, hope all is well.
My take...
The wheat (spiritual) and tares (unspiritual) grow together (side by side) (two people working at the millstone next to each other (etc)).
The spiritual are indeed PHYSICALLY: 'in' the world, yet not: 'of' it, and they look for a: 'new' home (where dwells righteousness) - they are: 'different' from the world and have: 'come out to be separated from them' - seated amongst the celestials (that meaning:- those in: 'higher' places) - their minds on things: 'higher'... things: 'above' (and not things below (earthy)). 'Sifted'.
And thus; though two are working side-by-side PHYSICALLY... There is MUCH SPIRITUAL distinction between them.
The unspiritual does not perceive this: 'difference' - (being unspiritual, thus unawares of things of God), but the spiritual does; also due to the fact that they are STRANGERS on earth (earth is not their home). Yeah they live and work here, but their minds are somewhere else entirely.
The main thing for me is to let spirit guide me and not: 'letter'.
That: 'saved' me from: 'heeding' badly translated scripture versions when I was growing up; (whilst most of the world believed in (and accepted) a: 'god' who was the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of love... (an everlasting torturer)))... They trusted the: 'letter' - not the spirit... Not truth.
Only those NOT led by: 'spirit' 'CAN' be deceived/be misled.
Most, though are led by: 'the letter' - a letter which is greatly mis-translated and even more greater still... Mis-understood.
#94
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11
Last post by rosered - December 17, 2025, 02:39:06 PMMy question is this?
When two are grinding at the wheel one is taken and the other left, should this be taken literally? Or is there a spiritual understanding to it ? I was thinking along the lines of being born literally and then being born again from above.
Both serve a purpose?
Readiness at Any Hour
?40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come.?
Luke 17:34-35
I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed: one will be taken and the other left. / Two women will be grinding grain together: one will be taken and the other left.?
Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.??
Matthew 13:49
So will it be at the end of the age: The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous
Matthew 25:32
All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
Matthew 25:10
But while they were on their way to buy it, the bridegroom arrived. Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
Matthew 25:13
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
#95
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: wheel within wheel?
Last post by rosered - December 17, 2025, 02:29:24 PMHi Marie !
Good to hear from you again! Missing everyone again and talking about the things of God.
I love it that you want to know, so do I sis! I have thought of it before and now again.
Ezekiel's vision of the wheels within the wheels .. Ezekiel 1 1-48
I agree it is trying to understand with words what seems like Gods working by His Holy Spirit[presence]
God is Light and God is Spirit and unchanging and yet things change all around Him , yet He never does .
God is Love and also described as a consuming fire
We have some descriptive natures to His Word /Truth ,but it is only by His ''Holy '' Spirit, we even begin to understand any of it.
Holy is how no evil can even be in His presence without being dissolved .
Wheels within the wheels are the work of God being manifested and could be how the presence of Gods working eliminates even scatters the darkness /evil with Light causing good to come out from nothingness. and His work'' presence'' keeps His Light where no darkness /evil can be present but preserved. unchanging.
They were identical wheels, sparkling like diamonds in the sun. It looked like they were wheels within wheels, like a gyroscope.
A gyroscope (from Ancient Greek γῦρος gŷros 'round' and σκοπέω skop?ō 'to look') is a device used for measuring or maintaining orientation and angular velocity.
It is a spinning wheel or disc in which the axis of rotation (spin axis) is free to assume any orientation by itself.
When rotating, the orientation of this axis is unaffected by tilting or rotation of the mounting, due to the conservation of angular momentum.
I have considered His presence as ''holding it all together '' But if Gods presence leaves, it is dissolved or left for perishing for lack of a better word or understanding .
It corrupts by its own design.
God separates things by His presence. what remains is of Himself and what is not will dissolve or perish in the using of it.
Making it nothing. like death makes things corruptible.
ONLY GOD can make something out of nothing and make anything remain by His own substance.
Words challenge us, to help us understand anything. But its HIS works that kind of force/power making LIFE happen. That HE IS and ONLY. Wisdom / GOD
:dontknow:
Something the scriptures say, that makes me realize the end when it is near, is when He will withdraw His presence and everything will ''collapse'' just in that moment. So, Gods WORD will be true and everyone will finally realize and when Jesus returns will He find faith on the earth?
it's our faith in Him and His working that keeps us all safe for now.
#96
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Need feedback.
Last post by ghost kid - December 17, 2025, 05:31:44 AMhttps://tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html
I got this from the weblink above:
72. We are commanded to pray for all. ?I exhort, therefore, that supplication, prayers, etc., be made for all men.? I Tim. 2:1. God would not require us to pray for all if it was not his purpose that salvation should be universally enjoyed, although Partialism contends for this absurdity. What! The all-wise God command his creatures to ask him to grant what is not, never was, and never will be, his intention to bestow! Oh, how inconsistent is error!
I got this from the weblink above:
72. We are commanded to pray for all. ?I exhort, therefore, that supplication, prayers, etc., be made for all men.? I Tim. 2:1. God would not require us to pray for all if it was not his purpose that salvation should be universally enjoyed, although Partialism contends for this absurdity. What! The all-wise God command his creatures to ask him to grant what is not, never was, and never will be, his intention to bestow! Oh, how inconsistent is error!
#97
Christian Life / Re: If Jesus was without sin H...
Last post by GodSavesAll - December 16, 2025, 06:22:00 PMQuote from: marie glen on December 16, 2025, 05:31:09 PM
:Chinscratch: If he had not been executed, would he have lived on..? Or, was his pre-resurrection body under entropy? Which currently rules all matter, all of earth. Entropy come about because God iS life and - is perfect - Mt.5:48, so straying in any way in thought, word or deed, would be, and result in imperfection, which is also entropy - a slow gehenna not put out.. the worm that doesn?t quit - thus without God?s Great Plan of Salvation/Rescue, all would perish. Jesus to eviLdoers? ?Fear God who cAn destroy body and psyche/being/soul(?) in gehenna! :doh: He cAn, but he doesn?t! :banana:
Was Jesus, at first advent, under the law of entropy? Is that law the same as the law of sin - hamartia - missing the mark - and death? We know he was totally ? without sin. Did he have some body dna from Mary? :dunno2: Interesting question!
:gsmile:
Questions that should be asked Marie.
Great questions.
Due to Adams' curse; all flesh was subject to decay, but with God all things are possible and so it's not possible to put any limitation on Him.
#98
Christian Life / Re: If Jesus was without sin H...
Last post by marie glen - December 16, 2025, 05:31:09 PM :Chinscratch: If he had not been executed, would he have lived on..? Or, was his pre-resurrection body under entropy? Which currently rules all matter, all of earth. Entropy come about because God iS life and - is perfect - Mt.5:48, so straying in any way in thought, word or deed, would be, and result in imperfection, which is also entropy - a slow gehenna not put out.. the worm that doesn?t quit - thus without God?s Great Plan of Salvation/Rescue, all would perish. Jesus to eviLdoers? ?Fear God who cAn destroy body and psyche/being/soul(?) in gehenna! :doh: He cAn, but he doesn?t! :banana:
Was Jesus, at first advent, under the law of entropy? Is that law the same as the law of sin - hamartia - missing the mark - and death? We know he was totally ? without sin. Did he have some body dna from Mary? :dunno2: Interesting question!
:gsmile:
Was Jesus, at first advent, under the law of entropy? Is that law the same as the law of sin - hamartia - missing the mark - and death? We know he was totally ? without sin. Did he have some body dna from Mary? :dunno2: Interesting question!
:gsmile:
#99
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Do these two bible verses ...
Last post by marie glen - December 16, 2025, 05:15:19 PMYes, amen!! Good find! :thumbsup:
The root word of logic, is logos.. :gsmile:
The root word of logic, is logos.. :gsmile:
#100
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: What do you think of 1 Joh...
Last post by marie glen - December 16, 2025, 05:12:50 PMIt applies and is effective for all.
But Jesus said, ?All those in the tombs/graves will hear God?s voice and will come forth? (from the graves/tombs) ?some into the resurrection of life? - into THE millennium, to serve called reigning? During his long second advent. (A full scope version of his so brief first one?) ?And some, in the resurrection into (the GWT) judgment? (?day?) - Jn.5:28-29, part of his long, second advent, which elsewhere He calls agelasting correction [?kolasin aionion? oR ?korrection eonian?] - Mt.25:46.
Logically, the completing of -Jn.12:32 - Jesus ?will draw all?. It being a matter of had there been no option to stray in Eden, we?d be an ant farm?! But God is Life, and ?is perfect? (Mt.5:48) so to stray is imperfection and entropy. This unavoidable, all important contrast, a slow gehenna fade that isn?t put out and doesn?t quit. Dust to dust.
So it?s Ant Farm versus the dis-ease as part of the cure? And immunity.. Total ?herd? immunity. Jesus, the Son (?first/proto?/prototype) only straight out from God one, implanted in every thinking being.. Father and Son being so close both administer God?s Spirit/Presence, same as will saturate and ?seal? all creation and humanity.. character clear as crystal..
(Being Life, every spark and breath of, means he lives through and suffers all that ever occurs. Yes? ..And endowed genuine thinking and reasoning ability anyway.)
But Jesus said, ?All those in the tombs/graves will hear God?s voice and will come forth? (from the graves/tombs) ?some into the resurrection of life? - into THE millennium, to serve called reigning? During his long second advent. (A full scope version of his so brief first one?) ?And some, in the resurrection into (the GWT) judgment? (?day?) - Jn.5:28-29, part of his long, second advent, which elsewhere He calls agelasting correction [?kolasin aionion? oR ?korrection eonian?] - Mt.25:46.
Logically, the completing of -Jn.12:32 - Jesus ?will draw all?. It being a matter of had there been no option to stray in Eden, we?d be an ant farm?! But God is Life, and ?is perfect? (Mt.5:48) so to stray is imperfection and entropy. This unavoidable, all important contrast, a slow gehenna fade that isn?t put out and doesn?t quit. Dust to dust.
So it?s Ant Farm versus the dis-ease as part of the cure? And immunity.. Total ?herd? immunity. Jesus, the Son (?first/proto?/prototype) only straight out from God one, implanted in every thinking being.. Father and Son being so close both administer God?s Spirit/Presence, same as will saturate and ?seal? all creation and humanity.. character clear as crystal..
(Being Life, every spark and breath of, means he lives through and suffers all that ever occurs. Yes? ..And endowed genuine thinking and reasoning ability anyway.)