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Discussions on Universal Salvation / Bible verses question.About se...

Last post by ghost kid - December 21, 2025, 06:14:02 AM

Do you know of any bible verses that say right out that you can get a second chance after you die? :bigGrin:

[The Lord will pay him back for his actions.]

#72

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by rosered - December 20, 2025, 04:48:25 PM

sharing this as I said ,  wonderful to learn, you might already know this , but it is new to me

about biding and loosing sins and forgiveness and  being corrected by the Lord .

keys to the kingdom  matt 16

Peter?s Confession of Christ
(Mark 8:27?30; Luke 9:18?20; John 6:67?71)

13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, He questioned His disciples: ?Who do people say the Son of Man is??

14They replied, ?Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.?

15?But what about you?? Jesus asked. ?Who do you say I am??

16Simon Peter answered, ?You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.?

17Jesus replied, ?Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.

  18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.

  19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.?

the rock solid truth is believing in Jesus Christ , the first born among the dead , One of a kind and first fruits of the new creation  nothing can stop this TRUTH

  what is the binding and loosing ?  releasing sins by forgiveness  , Jesus holy nature   and binding  holding one accountable to teach and  admonish


  the wrath of God abides on the children of disobedience ,its not the devil or evil spirits but Gods way to teaching us obedience is better than sacrifices

  JESUS sacrifice is all   GOD will accept  we must abide OBEY  in Him

one example of loosing sins was Stephens  death , a holy one  being full of the Holy Spirit  , his obedience was unto death of his flesh  , do not hold this to their charge

  making him alive forever more.


another example  is Paul's   holding  and loosing

14 Alexander the coppersmith did me great wrongs. The Lord will pay him back for his actions.


15 Beware of him yourself, for he opposed and resisted our message very strongly and exceedingly.

16 At my first trial no one acted in my defense [as my advocate] or took my part or [even] stood with me, but all forsook me. May it not be charged against them!

17 But the Lord stood by me and strengthened me, so that through me the [Gospel] message might be fully proclaimed, and all the Gentiles might hear it. So I was delivered out of the jaws of the lion.

18 [And indeed] the Lord will certainly deliver and draw me to Himself from every assault of evil.   


I saw what Paul says here , the presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ keeps us from evil .

He will preserve and bring me safe unto His heavenly kingdom. To Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen (so be it)

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#73

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by rosered - December 20, 2025, 04:07:56 PM

:thumbsup:
Spiritual difference to the flesh is reality.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
Agree about the concept that there is that one taken is transferred to the kingdom of God yet is still right next to family and friends who have not yet experienced that transfer.
Also consider the reality of those taken as first fruit before the millennium and those who are not watching the event. That would demonstrate that the changes are reality with no more speculation or varying opinions

I totally agree with this.

I believe (according to the scriptures) that one 'day' our souls will be resurrected accordingly as to how we lived (whilst in the body)... Some will be resurrected to: (aionian) 'life' and others to the judgement of another death for further correction.

I believe we will be where we need to be (for our ultimate/eternal benefit).

It's all good.  It's all God!   :HeartThrob:

  Amen ! Obedience is key ! and can only be done by the new creature in Christ , born from above  though the WORD /seed of God and by His own Holy Spirit working in and by and though HIM

our own new eyes and ears, hearts , Healed by His saving grace  , we must keep putting off the old man of sin nature .

Therefore we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, yet our inner self is being renewed day by day.


 

[until the consumation.]

#74

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Do you think the antichris...

Last post by rosered - December 20, 2025, 03:56:49 PM

:mock: (d)evil is a temporary creation (tool) of God/good - used to serve His purposes until the consumation.

evil (thinks) it is self-serving but is actually destroying itself and ultimately works for God.  :declare:

"As for you, ye devised against me evil -- God devised it for good, in order to do as at this day, to keep alive a numerous people". - GENESIS 50:20

When evil abounds - grace abounds all the more (since man's limited evil can never outmatch God's unlimited love).  :banana:

Having come to a realization of truth - God's enemies come cringing to Him.  (There is NOWHERE else to go).   :laughing7:
All was created by Him, for Him, and so the inevitable fate of all is: 'God (love) in all'.
(They'll love it!).   :laugh:   :HeartThrob:

The fate of all is a return to Source/Founder (Father)... To what is actual: 'real'(ity), 'normal'/'natural', truth (etc). 
This glorious fate of all God's creatures cannot be avoided, and so all that the ungodly do (by continuing in their folly) is heaping coals upon their own heads - adding to their fire - for they WILL be purified in due time.   :punish:

The best thing anyone could do is to sell everything they have right now  :eek: - giving it to the poor, and following Christ.   :URWelcome:

Amen !  :dsunny:   :HeartThrob:

#75

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by Ross - December 20, 2025, 01:42:31 AM

All good thanks GodSavesAll. :thumbsup:

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#76

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Do you think the antichris...

Last post by GodSavesAll - December 19, 2025, 09:15:37 PM

(spurned off of or that is in response to the ancient spiritual propaganda myth delusion/enchantment of afterlife torment, eternal oR temporary).

So true Marie.

And there is another evil out there nowadays which I see more and more...
...The fake NDE... People claiming the OPPOSITE of hell in many respects - the idea that there is NO sin and NO judgement (everyone enters paradise/heaven - regardless of what they did in the body). - A wonderful afterlife awaiting all after this life/death - regardless of what 'god' they followed (as though there can be two truths).

...Which is just as unscriptural, and leading many who don't STUDY astray... The old '(d)evil masquerading as a messenger of light' thing again.

But... So it must be for all righteousness.  :HeartThrob:

[Hebrews 13:2]

#77

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by rosered - December 19, 2025, 02:08:44 PM

Mankind is separated from the angels.
Hebrews 1:13,14
Hebrews 2:5
2 Peter 2:4 mentioned angels currently in bondage till the judgements start.
1 Corinthians 6:3 states we will be above them:
Revelations 20;10 Satan and sidekicks will go through the lake of fire.
The Great White Throne  of unlimited time .
Revelations 20:14 death and hades also dealt with.
All this before the New heaven and earth .
I wonder if the new city is created in the 1000 years/millennium

Hi Ross.
I never stated in my last post, but I do believe it is scriptural to say that there are 'angels' (messengers) who are IN a physical body and angels who are not.  Simply because - we are NOT our physicality.
However, the passages you sent have a very 'physical' explanation...

If you look at Hebrews 13:2 it reads:-
"Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it".
These 'angels' were seen as just 'regular' people then, since the people showing them hospitality were not even aware they were angels.
That's because anyone heralding the ev-angel is an angel.
God = love.  So someone delivering a message of love = angel/messenger.

Hebrews 1:13-14 emphasizes the superiority of Jesus over messengers, stating that no messenger was invited to sit at God's right hand, a position of honor and authority. 
You see... Jesus' disciples (his 'evangelists asked about whether they could sit at his 'right' hand or not. 
The passage also describes messengers as ministering 'attitudes' sent to serve those who will inherit salvation.
I am a minister 'attitude' (messenger), as are you. 
I serve humanity - trying to lead them to the truth, as do you.
We are then: messengers (administering spirits/attitudes)... evangelists... bringing the gospel/evangel.
There is nothing here about some bodyless 'spirits' going around helping humanity.

2 Peter 2:4.
As I stated in my last post concerning this passage; these 'angels' were people who 'knew' the truth, yet STILL chose to rebel.  Later in Peter, he refers to such as: 'twice dead' and that it would have been better if they had not known the proper Way than to know the Holy command and then turn from It. - With no hope of salvation in this age now (having blasphemed no-doubt the Holy Spirit); they are held in 'chains' (not literally) UNTIL the judgement.
The passage merely says that God doesn't EVEN spare sinning messengers (nevermind the rest of humanity!), since:
"...if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" 1 Peter 4:18-19.
Again, there is nothing here about bodyless spirits, but rather a 'hard' command to keep striving to do our best for the Kingdom (even if we have turned from God in the past).
"Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case?the things that have to do with salvation". (HEBREWS 6:9).  (Renewed unto repentence).


1 Corinthians 6:3 states that believers will judge: 'angels' (messengers).  Of course! - The Saints judge the WHOLE world, since it is God operating through them, and so they will judge each other. - They are the only ones fit TOO judge (because they KNOW (and practice) TRUTH). ("What you bind on earth - bound in heaven") (etc). 
Judging:- meaning to make decisions about - decisions of truth justice and love for ultimate benefit of any offender and for all.
The passage here is simply making a comparison - showing a distinction with earthly affairs and spiritual affairs...
"Have you not seen so as to know that we shall continue shifting, separating, evaluating and making decisions about agents - why not, indeed, the affairs and business matters of everyday life?

Revelations 20;10
Here evil itself (d)evil is indeed destroyed (by GoOD/love). - How can it 'end' (omega) any other Way? - (When God IS The end and God IS The Way)? 
Evil is destroyed along with the beast (evils' physical manifestation on earth) along with the false prophet/antichrist/those in oppostion to God.
I get the feeling you are seeing these: 'three' as three: 'beings' alone? - And not as say: the 'mass' of humanity (which they depict) (prostitute sitting upon beast that sits on many waters (peoples)) (etc)?

I could go on if you wanted me to Ross, but I am in quite poor health, so can't sit at a computer too long.

I would only want to chat further about this if it was benificial for you in any way.

   Wonderful brother  :HeartThrob:

  I am always  pushed for time
  I wish I could share this discovery now
  what the Lord has given , its wonderful  to wonderful not to share it ,IT IS HELPFUL .
   Lord Jesus knows .   I love you all because I know the love of GOD IS GLORIOUS AND LOVES US ALL SO VERY MUCH

  It will be long ..   LOVE TO YOU ALL .. :HeartThrob:

#78

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by rosered - December 19, 2025, 02:03:31 PM

Mankind is separated from the angels.
Hebrews 1:13,14
Hebrews 2:5
2 Peter 2:4 mentioned angels currently in bondage till the judgements start.
1 Corinthians 6:3 states we will be above them:
Revelations 20;10 Satan and sidekicks will go through the lake of fire.
The Great White Throne  of unlimited time .
Revelations 20:14 death and hades also dealt with.
All this before the New heaven and earth .
I wonder if the new city is created in the 1000 years/millennium

   Thank you Ross for your summary, in as few words as possible, with impact  to the facts /Truth , you are a treasure.  I know how God loves us all and gave Himself for us .


I love how you shared and cared enough to answer!   

To me it has always been a matter of perspective, How we see and hear and understand by  the gifts of God though our Lord Jesus Christ  and the ability to help the increase of Gods kingdom

  come and will be done on earth as it is in heaven
 
By sharing the bread of life and living water with others , that we consider more valuable than all the world , set in our hearts .

I just wanted to say this is for me thinking and not that I really know it all , I confess I do not , but do know enough to Know the ONE who does and its is a perfect WORKING OF ALL THINGS

Together  for the good of all , till the perfect comes and everyone is set free at last

I do believe the hidden things have been going on since the world began and this exercise in learning obedience to the will of God , has been hidden from our eyes and every discovery is life quickening, we crave more and more of Him .
I know God loves us all so very much and wants us to ask Him and the personal revealing of Christ in us , this anointing in us continues to the full end of all things of the here and now  .

  Every Word is Life to us by His hand and what has to die in us does and it is a beautiful working of the Holy Spirit alone that does this very thing.

We love Him for it , to know Him is to love Him , there will be no denying this .

I found something yesterday and it was brilliant  , I hope to share it soon because it is way to beautiful not to. and so many have helped along the way , just because one is given a gift is no

reason to despise the messenger, it really is the message that we are to accept or reject, this is our own determination to judge and be judged by what we are willing to receive or reject

  the TRUTH . 
But the truth has to remain and be processed in us , this is where the enduring till the end become difficult to go though . 
God is amazing , the great I AM is life changing , going from life to life and a better resurrection each time we go through it, it's our cross to bear and to know the glory of God from it all.

all things are yours

life and death are yours


21Therefore, stop boasting in men. All things are yours,

22whether Paul or Apollos or Cephase or the world or life or death or the present or the future.

  All of them belong to you, 23and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God. :HeartThrob:   the process of changing us from something awful to something  hagios HOLY innocent
 
messengers of death to messengers of Life we are His witnesses to the Glory of GOD the Holy FATHER though our Lord Jes?s CHRIST   
made this to long sorry
Gods blessings , we bless Him because HE BLESSUS US ,LOVE is always  complete and shared and of the WHOLE in perfection = entire an all in all  End
 
This is how the saints holy ones  glorify God , precious in His sight and the death of His saints  , they go on from life to a more abundant life complete into perfection .

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#79

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by GodSavesAll - December 19, 2025, 01:50:27 PM

Mankind is separated from the angels.
Hebrews 1:13,14
Hebrews 2:5
2 Peter 2:4 mentioned angels currently in bondage till the judgements start.
1 Corinthians 6:3 states we will be above them:
Revelations 20;10 Satan and sidekicks will go through the lake of fire.
The Great White Throne  of unlimited time .
Revelations 20:14 death and hades also dealt with.
All this before the New heaven and earth .
I wonder if the new city is created in the 1000 years/millennium

Hi Ross.
I never stated in my last post, but I do believe it is scriptural to say that there are 'angels' (messengers) who are IN a physical body and angels who are not. - Simply because - we are NOT our physicality.
However, the passages you sent have a very: 'physical' explanation, and it is only what: 'comes out' of someone that makes them unclean.  (So the whole 'possession' thing is hollywood nonsense)....

If you look at Hebrews 13:2 it reads:-
"Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it".
These 'angels' were seen as just 'regular' people then, since the people showing them hospitality were not even aware they were angels.
That's because anyone heralding the ev-angel is an angel.
God = love.  So someone delivering a message of love = angel/messenger.

Hebrews 1:13-14 emphasizes the superiority of Jesus over messengers, stating that no messenger was invited to sit at God's right hand, a position of honor and authority. 
You see... Jesus' disciples (his 'evangelists/angels/messengers/agents asked about whether they could sit at his 'right' hand or not. 
The passage also describes messengers as ministering 'attitudes' sent to serve those who will inherit salvation.
I am a minister 'attitude' (messenger), as are you. 
I serve humanity - trying to lead them to the truth, as do you.
We are then: messengers (administering spirits/attitudes)... evangelists... bringing the gospel/evangel.
There is nothing here about some bodyless 'ghostly-spirits' going around helping humanity. - That's pure hollywood/mainstream/wordly nonsense.

2 Peter 2:4.
As I stated in my last post concerning this passage; these: 'angels' were people who 'knew' the truth, yet STILL chose to rebel.  Later in Peter, he refers to such as: 'twice dead' and that it would have been better if they had not known the proper Way than to know the Holy command and then turn from It. - With no hope of salvation in this age now (having blasphemed no-doubt the Holy Spirit); they are held in 'chains' (not literally) UNTIL the judgement.
The passage merely says that God doesn't EVEN spare sinning messengers (nevermind the rest of humanity!), since:
"...if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" 1 Peter 4:18-19.
Again, there is nothing here about bodyless ghostly-type spirits, but rather a 'hard' command to keep striving to do our best for the Kingdom (even if we have turned from God in the past).
"Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case, - the things that have to do with salvation". (HEBREWS 6:9).  (Renewed unto repentence).

1 Corinthians 6:3 states that believers will judge: 'angels' (messengers).  Of course! - The Saints judge the WHOLE world, since it is God operating through them, and so they will judge each other. - They are the only ones fit TOO judge (because they KNOW (and practice) TRUTH). ("What you bind on earth - bound in heaven") (etc), and so they will judge the 'judges' (so to speak). - Even themselves.
Scripture states God judges nobody but entrusts judgement to the Son.  The Son says he comes not to judge but to save.  Paul says:- "I don't even judge myself."  :LH:
Judging:- meaning to make decisions about - decisions of truth justice and love for ultimate benefit of any offender and for all.
The 'truth' Itself (real-ity), the 'Word' will judge. - A person reaps what they sow.
The passage here is simply making a comparison - showing a distinction with earthly affairs and spiritual affairs...
"Have you not seen so as to know that we shall continue shifting, separating, evaluating and making decisions about agents - why not, indeed, the affairs and business matters of everyday life?
In other words... We are in charge of the PERPETUALLY HIGHEST JUDGING, so why can't you make decisions about tiny insignificant earthly, everyday 'trifles' that last for less than an eye-blink?

Revelations 20;10
Here evil itself (d)evil is indeed destroyed (by GoOD/love). - How can it 'end' (omega) any other Way? - (When God IS The end and God IS The Way)?  (and love).
Evil is destroyed along with the beast (evils' physical manifestation on earth) along with the false prophet/antichrist - those in oppostion to God.
I get the feeling you are seeing these: 'three' as three: 'beings' alone? - And not as say: the 'mass' of humanity (which they depict) (prostitute sitting upon beast that sits on many waters (peoples)) (etc)?, the 'evil spirit' (ungodly(attitude)) of the world(ly)?

I could go on if you wanted me to Ross, but I am in quite poor health, so can't sit at a computer too long.

I would only want to chat further about this if it was beneficial for you in any way.

[Insightful posts. Thanks, Marie glen, Rosered and Ross]

#80

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: wheel within wheel?

Last post by rosered - December 19, 2025, 01:11:24 PM

Insightful posts. Thanks, Marie glen, Rosered and Ross :banana:

  God our Holy Father bless you with more of Him though our Lord Jesus Christ, the mercy of Our Father expressed to us by His living Word and Living Spirit of truth to set us free 
love always in Him
  This hunger and thirst for His righteousness is a glorious work of God's doing and am ever so thankful :dsunny: :HeartThrob: