News:

Mods:
jabcat

Main Menu

Recent posts

#1
Amen! Jesus "will draw all"! Because "God is savior of all" (Jn.12:32, 1Tim.4:10).
    To me it came down to wanting to understand what is God doing, and how. But most importantly why.
    All came down to why was the option to stray in Eden? And prominently displayed?
    And since God is Life, 1Jn.5:20, he lives through, suffers and experiences all that ever occurs! Why put himself through all that?
     He's perfect, Mt.5:48, so imperfect is entropy (a slow gehenna) and is an abyss of potential. But!? Total ant farm versus total 'herd' immunity? And an ant farm is no paradise.. The dis-ease as part of the cure? Experience being the best teacher? And writes it on the heart and mind?
#2
Discussions on Universal Salvation / What do you think of this?:
Last post by ghost kid - August 25, 2026, 04:12:28 AM
https://www.tentmaker.org/articles/universalism-is-not-in-the-bible.htm

1 Timothy 4:10: "We have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe." The meaning is so clear it's transparent! God IS the Savior of everyone! He is the Savior of believers now and He will save everyone else in due time.
#3
Awesome!! 😀
#4
Judgement and Punishment / His Long Second Advent
Last post by marie glen - August 24, 2026, 04:14:09 PM
Hi! I haven't been here in a while. I've been posting my daily scripture reading/studies on facebook on my fb page "Inner Monastery".
    I was messaged by meta that I couldn't post unchanged scriptures due to copyrights.. I was never sure if it was meta, lol (?) But I ended up having to paraphrase rather than choose what I thought was the best version for each verse. It focuses a lot, of course on CU in the scriptures. Having to paraphrase is a good way to study! Prayerfully of course.
    Did you know via translation "all" was changed into "all things" ..whenever it wouldn't sound goofy it seems. Yes, Rev.21:5! Eph.1:10, three times from the original. Jn.13:3.. and more. Then we can look at 1Cor.15:27 and 28!
    My goodness! Originally three "alls" in verse 27 changed to all things. But verse 28, it's two are not changed. That's because "that God be all things in all things" just won't work! Then.. What does verse 27 repeat three times?
    This so far isn't what I came here to post (but, p.s. I see "Cardinal" on facebook once in a while :)
    I think I have found an additional proof of CU (?).. Or that is, my eyes have been opened to it.
    First, I'm very much a literalist, which imo takes nothing away from the metaphor! (I think many either/or things, debates, are actually "ands".)

     I think we have totally missed an "8th" millennium, in this whole scheme of things! Starting at the beginning (lol) surely(?) it was a spoken biG bang into the universe as is and into its motion. Slated to run for 8 millennia days. From Eden to the (fiery) new heavens and earth.
     Otherwise, when does all of Rev.20 occur?
    First, however, there's the two harvests - Rev.14. The wheat and the tares, or that is still wild weeds in God's garden. (Why the wildness? ..Why the so obvious, and highlighted option to stray in Eden? Maybe because an ant farm is no paradise? So the dis-ease as part of the cure? And immunity?)
    Mt.13:30 - "First gather the weeds into bundles to be burned" - in context, this is not a place called hell or hades etc etc.. We gather weeds from a garden and cast them into a bonfire. (Yes? Very temporary.) Surely this bonfire is the armageddon battle? Gathered into armies/bundles. (The siren call all division? Via, we guessed it accusations.. aka, the accuser. And accelerator.)
     "And gather the wheat into my barn." Surely this is through the door of the bridesmaids' parable? Into serving called reigning during long second advent? A full scope version of his first so brief one(?) But with helpers serving..? (With crowns of Life, not metal, lol.) Mt.25:1-13 - the door that then closes. NoT a door forever shut to Life as has been handed down. (Human version! Invention! Part of the whole pre flood, hands off, first proof that straying/imperfection/entropy is an abyss of potential, lawlessnes.. beastly..— Don't throw away our Old Testament! I think it was literally "every thought/motive only evil". Yep I think via clues, even cannibalism and vampirism were rife. Given enough time aNd circumstance, the abyss potential is in every imperfect thinking being. Just depends where God blocks with his hand? Letting things run course.. even some of the worst things.. And imagine, as Life, God lives through it all! And endowed thinking and reasoning anyway! So pre-flood, 1st proof straying cannot work, not ever. God iS life (iron law/measure) and "is Perfect" Mt.5:48. So this slow gehenna and crucible.. imperfection/entropy. Which! Logically, those of the "second" resurrection rise still in that condition. (The rich man and Laz. parable and the outside of the vision narrative of Rev.22, portray the inneR, initiaL condition of some during the GWT Judgment/discernment/review of history and closure for all 'Day'? Surely?)
    But first! After what's been called "the" millennium.. "After the thousand years" first, the adversary&co. are let loose (out of said abyss) and he goes forth and gathers for Armageddon 2!
    Revelation chapter 20 is told like describing the crests of waves and not much of the in between.
    Who does the accuser/divider gather? Has to be descendants of mortal survivors of the apocalypse (resounding cra$h) and armageddon (Is.24:20/Rev.10:4 ..Zech.14:4, Is.35:1). And how long might this gathering and war take?
     I think 500 years(!) Because I think Leviticus 23, the Holy Days (Spring and Fall) is an outline, a type and shadow of the two advents. Especially the names and patterns!
    SO, I'm thinking an outline.. actually two, kind of like a wheel within a wheel..
    Eight Millennia, and within that outline, the Holy Days, Lev.23.

Now Gary, via one brief email, asked me once about the Fall holy days as I'd posted here about this.. but he was looking for how the Lord fulfilled them via His first advent.🙂 What a huGe blessing Gary was!!

I hope this post wasn't TOO long! I can be long winded and rambling..
✌🏼☮️🕊�
   
#5
Friend of the ministry Jamie Slaats has been responding to the Lord's leading and working long hours to update the Tentmaker site, including this discussion forum.  Changes will be will be welcome and useful;  updates, improved ease of use. 

Please stay tuned and join in :).  james
#6
Judgement and Punishment / Re: tentmaker mentioned in Mik...
Last post by DavidFord - August 20, 2026, 06:49:14 PM
Why I am a Universalist Now (Part I) - @Randal_Rauser
https://youtu.be/Bli-VZ7FFrk?

Why I am a Universalist Now (Part II)
https://youtu.be/fxlzXj5XpgY?

Answering Questions About Universalism 
https://youtu.be/XGHoYLKFwXY?
#7
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 3:6 - King James Version
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
www.biblegateway.com

I got this from the above weblink:

Luke 3:6

King James Version

�
6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Read full chapter
Luke 3:6 in all English translations
#8
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Need help with this?
Last post by ghost kid - June 27, 2026, 02:20:50 AM
https://tentmaker.org/FAQ/23.html

Read other FAQ's on ultimate reconciliation and Christian universalism

Question:

Does this mean that satan and all the fallen angels will be restored eventually?

Answer:

In the original language of Scripture, Hebrews 2:16 says, "God is not now laying hold of angels."

were is this first mentioned?
#9
Discussions on Universal Salvation / Wellspring in the Wilderness l...
Last post by Shev - June 23, 2026, 12:26:16 AM
Hey all - we finished up season 1 of our ultimate restoration podcast with a two parter. Season 2 will focus on different aspects of Christ (Christ as the Word, Christ as Light, Christ as Life, etc.)

S7 Ep7 Part 1:

S7 Ep7 Part 2:

God bless!
#10
Judgement and Punishment / Re: Gregory of Nyssa was a uni...
Last post by DavidFord - June 20, 2026, 05:53:10 PM
Sebastian Brock, _Isaac of Nineveh (Isaac the Syrian):  The Second Part, Chapters 4-41 (Corpus Scriptorum Christianorum Orientalium)_ (1995), 207pp., 162-173; 174-180
https://www.amazon.com/Isaac-Nineveh-Syrian-Christianorum-S/dp/B01FKSBEMO/
Isaac of Nineveh:  Mystic Treatises II
https://www.scribd.com/document/830912849/Corpus-Christianorum-Orientalium-Vol-555-Scriptores-Syri-Tomus-225-Sebastian-P-Brock-Isaac-of-Nineveh-Isaac-the-Syrian-the-Second-Part-Ch

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_7218c925-4f69-4626-a7f6-7662c48ec8ae
**Summary of Chapter XXXIX: "Contemplation on the topic of Gehenna, in so far as grace can be granted to human nature to hold opinions on these mysteries" (Isaac of Nineveh, *The Second Part*, trans. Sebastian Brock)**

In this profound and cautious eschatological chapter (one of three final homilies in the Second Part devoted to the Last Things), St. Isaac of Nineveh (Isaac the Syrian, 7th century) meditates on the "difficult matter of Gehenna" (Hell) within the framework of God's infinite, unchanging love and goodness. He writes with deep humility, emphasizing that human understanding of such mysteries is limited by grace, and he rejects any view that would compromise the divine nature.

### Key Themes
- **Rejection of Retributive Punishment**: Isaac strongly opposes the idea that Gehenna involves divine anger, wrath, resentment, or vengeful retribution. Such passions are incompatible with God's nature. Even if Scripture sometimes speaks of punishment in seemingly retributive terms, this is on the "outer surface"; the deeper reality is God's fatherly, medicinal, and educational providence aimed solely at the ultimate good of rational beings. Attributing spite or endless punitive torment to God is blasphemous, as it implies weakness or changeability in the divine Nature.

- **Gehenna as Part of God's Salvific Plan**: Gehenna is not an afterthought or a failure of God's love but was foreseen and included within His eternal goodness and mercy from before creation. It serves a remedial and purifying purpose. Isaac expresses the opinion that God will manifest "some wonderful outcome" from Gehenna's torments — revealing even more profoundly the wealth of His love, power, wisdom, and the "insistent might of the waves of His goodness." The Kingdom will ultimately triumph over Gehenna.

- **The Scourge of Love**: Those in Gehenna are tormented not by the absence of God but by the painful awareness of having sinned against infinite Love. This "scourge of love" (a famous motif from Isaac's First Part, here deepened) causes bitter regret sharper than any external fire. Yet this very suffering is transformative and temporary, leading the wicked to knowledge, repentance, and eventual participation in divine felicity. Punishments are measured according to sins and have an end (echoing patristic authorities like Theodore of Mopsuestia and Diodore of Tarsus, whom Isaac cites).

- **God's Unchanging Love**: Divine love is equal, eternal, and impartial toward all rational beings (just or wicked). God created humanity out of love, foreknowing sin, and His providence — including Gehenna — always looks to future advantage and restoration rather than past requital. There is no "before or after" in God's love or intentions.

### Tone and Approach
Isaac approaches the topic with awe, silence, and adoration before the unfathomable wisdom of God. He warns against infantile or blasphemous conceptions that limit God's compassion. The chapter reflects his mystical experience: profound knowledge of divine love makes eternal conscious torment unthinkable. It aligns with (and radicalizes) hints in his First Part while remaining rooted in Scripture and earlier Eastern Fathers.

This chapter is a cornerstone for discussions of universal restoration (*apokatastasis*) in the Syriac tradition, emphasizing hope in God's victorious mercy without diminishing the seriousness of sin or the reality of judgment. For the full text, consult Sebastian Brock's critical edition and translation in the *Corpus Scriptorum Christianorum Orientalium* (Second Part, chapters IV–XLI).

============
**Summary of Chapter XL (from *The Second Part*, Chapters IV–XLI, trans. Sebastian P. Brock)**

Chapter XL continues and deepens the eschatological reflections begun in Chapter XXXIX on Gehenna (Hell), maintaining the same humble, awe-filled tone while focusing more explicitly on the triumph of God's Kingdom, the uniform and unchanging nature of divine love, and the ultimately restorative purpose of all divine dealings with rational beings.

### Key Themes
- **God's Single, Impartial Love**: Isaac emphasizes that God has one consistent ranking of complete and impassible love toward *all* rational creatures — the just and the fallen alike. There is no shift from love to wrath or retribution. God's caring concern remains identical before and after any "fall." Attributing anger, vengeance, or eternal retributive punishment to God is incompatible with His nature and borders on blasphemy.

- **Kingdom and Gehenna as Expressions of Mercy**: Both the Kingdom of Heaven and Gehenna belong to God's merciful providence, conceived from eternity out of His goodness. Gehenna is not an end in itself or a failure of divine love but a temporary, medicinal, and educational reality. Its torments function as the "scourge of love" — a painful awareness of having opposed infinite Love — that leads to repentance, purification, and eventual restoration.

- **Triumph of the Kingdom**: Isaac expresses confident hope that the Kingdom will ultimately prevail over Gehenna. The sufferings of Gehenna have limits measured according to sins and serve a corrective purpose. God's power, wisdom, and overwhelming goodness will manifest even more gloriously through the resolution of this "difficult matter," bringing all to participation in divine joy. No rational being is ultimately excluded from the fullness of God's salvific plan.

- **Humility and Mystery**: As in the previous chapter, Isaac approaches these mysteries with profound caution, relying on grace and spiritual insight rather than speculative certainty. He distinguishes the "outer surface" of scriptural language (which can appear retributive) from its deeper, merciful inner meaning. Human opinions on these matters are provisional; the full reality exceeds our present understanding.

### Overall Character
This chapter (along with XXXIX and XLI) forms part of Isaac's most sustained treatment of the Last Things in the newly discovered Second Part. It exemplifies his mystical theology: divine love is the beginning, middle, and end of all things. Judgment and Gehenna are real and serious but never ultimate or retributive; they are subsumed within God's fatherly, healing providence aimed at the restoration and felicity of all. The tone is one of wonder, adoration, and pastoral warning against despair or overly literal, "infantile" interpretations of Scripture.

These ideas align with broader Syriac traditions of *apokatastasis* (universal restoration) while remaining rooted in Isaac's own contemplative experience of God's boundless compassion. For the full text, consult Brock's critical edition and translation in the *Corpus Scriptorum Christianorum Orientalium*.