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#81

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by rosered - December 19, 2025, 01:06:50 PM

I was referring to what Jesus was doing ,  Just His presence. this example

Mark 5:7
And he shouted in a loud voice, ?What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!?  8For Jesus had already declared, ?Come out of this man, you unclean spirit!?

  Thanks for answering.

I am still learning is all.  Found some very interesting scriptures. I believe the Bible is the Word of God.

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Oh Rose, definitely, we are all learning for sure.
I'm only speaking as I understand and to try to help as best I can.
I believe wholeheartedly that what I am saying is true.

In Mark 5:7, what is happening (to me) is 'spiritual' (a spiritual event).

It's like...
...If I hear someone talk about a near death experience they had, and they describe an: 'angel' as being really tall, with a big flaming sword, and with a halo and large feathery wings... I'm a bit reluctant to believe them because it's so... 'Hollywood'.
HOWEVER...  'Spiritually' (in spirit); I know (from personal experience) ,that we see things 'spiritually'...
...What I mean is this...
...Say someone has a vision of satan... Well they may well see a large, hooded, cloaked, dark, wicked-looking... entitiy... The 'personification' of evil if you like.
Yet; at the same time; the devil (evil) doesn't 'really' have an 'appearance' as such (physically).
We don't 'see' God physically as such either, - yet 'spiritually' we do see Him (I.E: in Christ), in works of love (and so on).  This is how we recognize God IN Christ (in the second/spiritual man).

So when the demon is: 'communicating' with Jesus - I'm understanding that as a spiritual 'conversation'/event.

Now 'spirit' would be meaning: 'attitude' (or mindset).  EG:- "She was in good spirits", or: "That's the spirit!" (When someone adopts the 'right' attitude).
So an evil spirit would be an evil attitude/mindset, or a 'wrong' mindset (one in opposition to 'right' (I.E:- GOD).

So in Mark 5:7:- The evil within the man was recognizing that Jesus could cast 'him' out (I.E. - The man would be parted from his sins (and how we cling to our beloved sins like sick dogs!)), and it is: 'torturous' to be 'cleansed' of sin/purified of evil. - It is corrective yet seems like punishment. - A painful process indeed!
And Jesus has the power to do that.

When Jesus speaks (as the song says); even the darkness hides!

I have had people FLEE from me because I started to convince them that Jesus/God was a reality. 
They KNEW they would have to turn from their sins if they came to a full understanding/recognizing of Him and so they FLED.  "DON'T TORTURE ME JESUS!!!"  They ran off holding their ears!
When He is done with everyone - there won't be a TRACE of sin. - He will get all that is His, just as John says:
"He will burn up the chaff/rubbish with unquenchable fire".
No rubbish will survive.

Much love sister.

   I love what you shared , its wonderful!

Thanking God for His great mercy!  I do understand it is a mindset !   and attitude ! I have found many times  in the WORD OF GOD the very answers and a mindset , that is set to understand By

  asking the Lord Jesus Christ , the gift giver , He is the truth and grace of God the Holy Father expressed to us , and wants us to be free from evil and all forms

When you dig in you are so blessed , many of us a given gifts of the Holy Spirit , just bits and when we share it adds to the WHOLE many more get blessed  , we all do .

What glorifies God as  a purposeful desire of God and His works being accomplished  , everyone is blessed  though our Lord Jesus Christ , He was the very first of his kind  to be born exposing the Sons of God , that was hidden for ages

The word he spoke to them  , he said you are clean 
big clue going from an   unclean spirt to a clean spirit by the washing of the water of the word  , when He come up out of the water during his Jordan washing the very showing of how its done 
the Father said this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, its obedience that honors the Father 
God says HEAR HIM

Jese tell his students , disciples , you are clean from this living Word I have spoken to you

no more unclean spirit working in them 
this is one of the clues  and mysteries solved , so many more to go 
but this is too long
  love and blessings and more of Him to all

#82

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by Ross - December 19, 2025, 07:43:25 AM

Mankind is separated from the angels.
Hebrews 1:13,14
Hebrews 2:5
2 Peter 2:4 mentioned angels currently in bondage till the judgements start.
1 Corinthians 6:3 states we will be above them:
Revelations 20;10 Satan and sidekicks will go through the lake of fire.
The Great White Throne  of unlimited time .
Revelations 20:14 death and hades also dealt with.
All this before the New heaven and earth .
I wonder if the new city is created in the 1000 years/millennium

[Insightful posts. Thanks, Marie glen, Rosered and Ross]

#83

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: wheel within wheel?

Last post by joeteekay - December 19, 2025, 02:48:44 AM

Insightful posts. Thanks, Marie glen, Rosered and Ross :banana:

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#84

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by GodSavesAll - December 19, 2025, 01:59:29 AM

I was referring to what Jesus was doing ,  Just His presence. this example

Mark 5:7
And he shouted in a loud voice, ?What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!?  8For Jesus had already declared, ?Come out of this man, you unclean spirit!?

  Thanks for answering.

I am still learning is all.  Found some very interesting scriptures. I believe the Bible is the Word of God.

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Oh Rose, definitely, we are all learning for sure.
I'm only speaking as I understand and to try to help as best I can.
I believe wholeheartedly that what I am saying is true.

In Mark 5:7, what is happening (to me) is 'spiritual' (a spiritual event).

It's like...
...If I hear someone talk about a near death experience they had, and they describe an: 'angel' as being really tall, with a big flaming sword, and with a halo and large feathery wings... I'm a bit reluctant to believe them because it's so... 'Hollywood'.
HOWEVER...  'Spiritually' (in spirit); I know (from personal experience) ,that we see things 'spiritually'...
...What I mean is this...
...Say someone has a vision of satan... Well they may well see a large, hooded, cloaked, dark, wicked-looking... entitiy... The 'personification' of evil if you like.
Yet; at the same time; the devil (evil) doesn't 'really' have an 'appearance' as such (physically).
We don't 'see' God physically as such either, - yet 'spiritually' we do see Him (I.E: in Christ), in works of love (and so on).  This is how we recognize God IN Christ (in the second/spiritual man).

So when the demon is: 'communicating' with Jesus - I'm understanding that as a spiritual 'conversation'/event.

Now 'spirit' would be meaning: 'attitude' (or mindset).  EG:- "She was in good spirits", or: "That's the spirit!" (When someone adopts the 'right' attitude).
So an evil spirit would be an evil attitude/mindset, or a 'wrong' mindset (one in opposition to 'right' (I.E:- GOD).

So in Mark 5:7:- The evil within the man was recognizing that Jesus could cast 'him' out (I.E. - The man would be parted from his sins (and how we cling to our beloved sins like sick dogs!)), and it is: 'torturous' to be 'cleansed' of sin/purified of evil. - It is corrective yet seems like punishment. - A painful process indeed!
And Jesus has the power to do that.

When Jesus speaks (as the song says); even the darkness hides!

I have had people FLEE from me because I started to convince them that Jesus/God was a reality. 
They KNEW they would have to turn from their sins if they came to a full understanding/recognizing of Him and so they FLED.  "DON'T TORTURE ME JESUS!!!"  They ran off holding their ears!
When He is done with everyone - there won't be a TRACE of sin. - He will get all that is His, just as John says:
"He will burn up the chaff/rubbish with unquenchable fire".
No rubbish will survive.

Much love sister. 

#85

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by rosered - December 18, 2025, 10:27:42 PM

I was referring to what Jesus was doing ,  Just His presence. this example

Mark 5:7
And he shouted in a loud voice, ?What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!?  8For Jesus had already declared, ?Come out of this man, you unclean spirit!?

  Thanks for answering.

I am still learning is all.  Found some very interesting scriptures. I believe the Bible is the Word of God.

#86

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by GodSavesAll - December 18, 2025, 07:39:00 PM

Thank you so much for the replies and good answers .  G.S.A & Ross

I understand "humanity " in Adam all die. and in Christ all are made alive.

I totally agree the Holy Spirit is the Only teacher of Truth .

I question these wicked /evil spirits that are not of God, Jesus' reply is what made me wonder about it.


   The evil spirit that was tormenting and using mankind /a man to work evil .    Asked JESUS, Did you come to torment us before the appointed time ?


  These in Matt 8;29 and these other scriptures ?

Mark 5:7
And he shouted in a loud voice, ?What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!?

Luke 8:28
When the man saw Jesus, he cried out and fell down before Him, shouting in a loud voice, ?What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You not to torture me!?

James 2:19
You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that?and shudder.

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.?

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling?these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day.
   
It seems these angels / messengers are bound, only to be let loose for the end times correct ?

Are they or some still roaming freely now upon mankind?

I guess my main question is this, are the evil spirits separated from mankind and mankind is saved by Gods mercy only?

Thank you for your help.

I could only give an answer to the best of my ability if I knew firstly what are you understanding is an: 'evil spirit' or a: 'demon' or angel/messenger? 
Most of 'christendom' (I believe) understands such things entirely wrong, and has more a: 'hollywood' (fake/carnal/soulish) understanding of such things.

Like; when you read about the: 'sinning angels kept in chains until judgement' - what comes to your mind? 
Are you thinking about godly folks who knew the truth but yet rebelled against God (and therefore cannot be 'freed' until a later time from their chains), or are you thinking about something more... hollywood?

Because you say things like: 

Are they or some still roaming freely now upon mankind?

... Which (to me) sounds a bit... Hollywood (possession/erorcist) sort of thing which I don't find at all scriptural.

#87

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: wheel within wheel?

Last post by rosered - December 18, 2025, 01:57:01 PM

Wheel within wheel: interesting similarity within incredible engineering, like a watch for instance- many little cogs/wheels, which work at different rates and directions  yet are precise in the outcome.
Vehicles drive along at varying speeds and loads, yet they too have wheels of different sizes and forms.
History has many different events but great similarity of motive/objective but seem to repeat over and over.
Ecclesiastes points this out.
IMO this seems to be like this so many people and generations go through problems and ethical issues to learn about the depth of creation and perceive the system necessary for true equality along with mutual respect for positive outcomes.
Our current state of being has selfish ambition, superiority, lust, pride,... Christ gave the demonstration that doesn't show that sort of behaviour and values as how we should live. His wheels within wheels are working to head us in the right direction empowered by His power and love.

  This is a beautiful answer Ross
  Thank you .

Yes it is true   in Word and in deed   That ''all things'' work together for the good of those whom love the Lord and are called according to His purpose .

Seems evil has its purpose to change us for the short time we are exposed to it.  70 years and 80 by Gods strength working in mankind.
   
Even 1000 years is only one day in Gods sight  :HeartThrob:

  Getting this perspective has to be taught by the Holy Spirit and His Word.

Like seeing the forest a bigger picture in your mind's eye that just seeing the trees, or men as trees walking.
 

  Adam experienced evil for 930 years while being flesh and blood, I considered he never knew evil but more of on a personal level, and experiences ,

  like now we have all this evil at our fingertips and see massive evil working in the world compared to how it was, the increase is very much heavier since knowledge has increased.

The Word of God tells us so and so it is.

#88

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by rosered - December 18, 2025, 01:39:40 PM

Thank you so much for the replies and good answers .  G.S.A & Ross

I understand ''humanity '' in Adam all die. and in Christ all are made alive.

I totally agree the Holy Spirit is the Only teacher of Truth .

I question these wicked /evil spirits that are not of God, Jesus' reply is what made me wonder about it.


   The evil spirit that was tormenting and using mankind /a man to work evil .    Asked JESUS, Did you come to torment us before the appointed time ?


  These in Matt 8;29 and these other scriptures ?

Mark 5:7
And he shouted in a loud voice, ?What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You before God not to torture me!?

Luke 8:28
When the man saw Jesus, he cried out and fell down before Him, shouting in a loud voice, ?What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You not to torture me!?

James 2:19
You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that?and shudder.

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.?

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling?these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day.
   
It seems these angels / messengers are bound, only to be let loose for the end times correct ?

Are they or some still roaming freely now upon mankind?

I guess my main question is this, are the evil spirits separated from mankind and mankind is saved by Gods mercy only?

Thank you for your help.

#89

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by Ross - December 18, 2025, 08:40:35 AM

 :iagree: further correction: spot on. :thumbsup:

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#90

Discussions on Universal Salvation / Re: Ecc 3 ;11

Last post by GodSavesAll - December 18, 2025, 02:24:09 AM

:thumbsup:
Spiritual difference to the flesh is reality.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
Agree about the concept that there is that one taken is transferred to the kingdom of God yet is still right next to family and friends who have not yet experienced that transfer.
Also consider the reality of those taken as first fruit before the millennium and those who are not watching the event. That would demonstrate that the changes are reality with no more speculation or varying opinions

I totally agree with this.

I believe (according to the scriptures) that one 'day' our souls will be resurrected accordingly as to how we lived (whilst in the body)... Some will be resurrected to: (aionian) 'life' and others to the judgement of another death for further correction.

I believe we will be where we need to be (for our ultimate/eternal benefit).

It's all good.  It's all God!   :HeartThrob: