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[WhiteWings]

why don't they try and syphon some of the oil being leaked

I believe they tried that with operation top kill.

or at least make it a free for all,

Blasphemy!  :laughing7:

[WhiteWings]

@ Molly....click on Haliburton link....it will make your stomach turn.

I secretly clicked on the link too  :winkgrin:
Is it the link about the FEMA camps? There's quite some info on that those camps. (Including millions of plastic coffins)
Even weirder is the lnk to a secret base on Mars...

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  Yes....I don't how credible this guy is, never heard of him, but it is thought provoking if true. I know from personal experience they have made it deliberately difficult to find out who owns what subsidiaries. Blessings...

[CHB]

Why don't the set it on fire!!  LOF lol!!

CHB

[Molly]

Why don't the set it on fire!!  LOF lol!!

CHB

Actually, they are.  BP is collecting it into a large vessel and burning it at the wellhead.  Other ships are collecting it out to sea and burning it right on the water--that's those boats you see trailing the boom.  When they get enough oil in one place, they throw an incendiary into the water and set the oil on fire.

Unfortunately, it's still being done on too small a scale to protect the coast.

Now if the Coast Guard had just let the original rig burn in the first place instead of sinking it with water,  we might not be in this predicament.

[thinktank]

Why not sell it on the market, im sure there's demand for sea oil!

[Molly]

Why not sell it on the market, im sure there's demand for sea oil!

Funny you should say that. :winkgrin:

They could do that if they used SUPERTANKERS with suck and salvage techniques.  But that would require the President suspending the Jones Act and allowing foreign ships into the Gulf to do it--something which he doesn't seem to have thought of in 60 days.

[WhiteWings]

Why not sell it on the market, im sure there's demand for sea oil!

Funny you should say that. :winkgrin:

They could do that if they used SUPERTANKERS with suck and salvage techniques.

I doubt that. The oil will be not of the usual crude quality. It requires an extra refinary to get out the pollution like water. Those refinaries have to be build. That takes time and money. My guess is BP won't get a great price for their crude (even if prime quality), because everyone know their situation and takes advantage of it. Then it might actually cost BP to sell instead of burn oil.
Quite often supertankers are full and just waiting on the ocean until they get a fair price.

But that would require the President suspending the Jones Act and allowing foreign ships into the Gulf to do it--something which he doesn't seem to have thought of in 60 days.

Damn foreigners. They might steal the oil  :thumbdown:

[Molly]

US CLOSES ENTIRE COUNTY IN ARIZONA TO US CITIZENS -- US GIVES LAND BACK TO MEXICO?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzLRxj3XViI&feature=related


You couldn't make this stuff up.  Is the Obama administration complicit in a silent invasion of the United States from foreign armies of illegal aliens?

[Molly]

(May 14) -- Even as proposals pour in for cleaning up the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, one veteran of a massive (and secret) crude spill in the Persian Gulf says he has a tried-and-true solution.

Now if only the people who could make it happen would return his calls.

"No one's listening," says Nick Pozzi, who was an engineer with Saudi Aramco in the Middle East when he says an accident there in 1993 generated a spill far larger than anything the United States has ever seen.


According to Pozzi, that mishap, kept under wraps for close to two decades and first reported by Esquire, dumped nearly 800 million gallons of oil into the Persian Gulf, which would make it more than 70 times the size of the Exxon Valdez spill.

But remarkably, by employing a fleet of empty supertankers to suck crude off the water's surface, Pozzi's team was not only able to clean up the spill, but also salvage 85 percent of the oil, he says.

"We took [the oil] out of the water so it would save the environment off the Arabian Gulf, and then we put it into tanks until we could figure out how to clean it," he told AOL News.

While BP, the oil giant at the center of the recent accident, works to stanch the leak from the sunken Deepwater Horizon rig, Pozzi insists the company should be following his lead.

AOL News could not independently verify Pozzi's account, but one former Aramco employee did acknowledge that there was a large spill in the region in the early '90s, and that Aramco had used tankers to clean up earlier oil slicks.

Pozzi, now retired, spent 17 years of his career in Saudi Arabia, part of it as a manager in Aramco's technical support and maintenance division.

Shortly after the April 22 sinking of the Deepwater Horizon, he and a friend, Houston attorney Jon King (with whom Pozzi recently launched a business called Wow Environmental Solutions), traveled to Houma, La., headquarters for BP's response center, to offer up the lessons he'd learned working in the Persian Gulf.

Ever since, he says, the pair's been stonewalled.

When he called the manager at BP in charge of the cleanup effort, Pozzi says he was told "don't bother me."

"He said, 'Follow procedures,' " Pozzi recalls. "He said, 'I'm taking names and I'm going to sue you.' "

Next, Pozzi and King phoned the president of BP and left a message with his secretary. An hour later, though, they received a call from "from a young lady in BP headquarters" who asked how she might assist them. They told her about their plan -- but have received no further contact.

Then, early this week, the duo say they spoke with Capt. Ed Stanton, the Coast Guard commander overseeing a length of the affected coastline. Stanton asked for a written proposal. That's the last Pozzi and King heard from him.

"It sounds so simple that they turn around and say, 'That was years ago. We've got modern technology now,' " Pozzi says. "But their modern technology isn't working too well."

Last week BP lowered a concrete-and-steel containment dome into the gulf in a highly chronicled effort to cap the underwater leak, only to have to quickly abort that effort.

Meantime, Saudia Arabia is sitting on the world's largest fleet of supertankers. Pozzi suggests that the U.S. government tell the Saudis: " 'Hey, we helped you out, can you help us out? Lend us some supertankers.' For a little payback for helping them out during the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait."

Moreover, he says, "there are many, many, many other countries that have oil tankers" that, for a price, could be deployed off Louisiana.

Stephen Reilly, CEO of Slickbar, a leading oil spill equipment and vessels manufacturer, says that while he's unfamiliar with supertankers being used in this way, Pozzi's proposal could well work.

"Any containment area or barge or tanker can be used for reception, and they certainly have the pumping system on board," Reilly says. "So in terms of using assets like that to pump stuff into tanks, by all means."

Pozzi speculates that the reluctance on the part of those he's contacted comes down to one word: cash. When oil tankers are taken out of service for a special project like this, they stop earning money for their owners.

BP, Pozzi says, should "step up to the plate" and offer to pay anyone willing to lend a tanker whatever they would lose in profits by dispatching one of their ships to the gulf region.

BP on Thursday said the cost of battling the spill has reached nearly $450 million.

Calls to BP and Stanton were not immediately returned. The BP press line voice mail message asks anyone offering "technical solutions" to dial another number to "most efficiently" address the suggestion.

During his years with Aramco, Pozzi says, he took a number of approaches to cleaning oil spills, from dumping flour into the sea and hauling out the resultant tar gobs to dropping hay into the slicks and burning it.

The 1993 Persian Gulf spill, Pozzi says, began when Aramco was loading a tanker and "the umbilical cord got away." Oil started spewing from the pumps. Panicked, a line of tankers waiting to be filled began hightailing away from the flammable spray. Massive ships maneuvered in tight quarters. It was chaos.

Because of a confidentiality agreement with Aramco, Pozzi won't describe exactly what happened next, except to say that "there were [then] other mishaps causing other oil to spill."

"The order of magnitude rose exponentially due to the panic level," he says.

The tankers worked for the next six months skimming oil off the water's surface and pumping it into tanks for cleaning. Cleanup efforts went on for several years after that. Still, that such an enormous slick could be successfully cleaned ought to point the way this time around, Pozzi says.

"My guys have worked on a lot of oil spills, and back in the late '80s and early '90s we figured out the best way to clean up oil through lessons learned," he says. "This is what we think they need to do. We know it works."

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/could-cleanup-fix-for-gulf-oil-spill-lie-in-secret-saudi-disaster/19476863

[Cardinal]

US CLOSES ENTIRE COUNTY IN ARIZONA TO US CITIZENS -- US GIVES LAND BACK TO MEXICO?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzLRxj3XViI&feature=related


You couldn't make this stuff up.  Is the Obama administration complicit in a silent invasion of the United States from foreign armies of illegal aliens?

:sigh: It sure looks like it......unreal. We are being invaded by a foreign country and they are just letting it happen.

[Molly]

Other State Governors need to send their national guard to Arizona to help.  I believe they can legally do this.  The Governor controls the National Guard of his state.  I saw them do it during Katrina.

I wonder why the Governor of Arizona isn't asking the other states for help instead of Obama.  He has made it very clear that he has no intention of helping.


His [and Hilary's] response to Arizona's pleas for help is to send a spurious lawsuit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oy9aaIpQR8

[WhiteWings]

Maybe it's in some way preparing for the amero.

[Molly]

Assuming we could connect the dots between drug cartels pouring over the Arizona border, illegal immigration, and the attack on the Gulf by British Petroleum and the administration in the WH, I think it may be time for Americans to get a crash course in Dope, Inc.  

This is an old article and not the best,  and one man's opinion of how it plays itself out, but it gives an idea of the scope of this problem.  

Matthew 10:26
Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.



The international drug-traffic enters the history books with the rise of the Sufi mystics, Syrian Hashishins (the "Assassins") of Shaykh al-Jabal, in the time of the Assassins' Templar allies. It was spread throughout the Asian littoral by Arab slavetraders. It was taken over from the slave-traders, by the Venetian slave-traders of the Levant Company. When the Levant Company moved into England and the Netherlands, the Levant Company assumed the new name of the "East India Company" of England and the Netherlands. Adam Smith's employers, of the British East India Company, established world-monopoly in the opium-traffic during the eighteenth century, and Britain ran the international drug-traffic, until Yuri Andropov's Soviet KGB entered the traffic, and launched present-day international narco-terrorism against the West during the 1967-1969 interval.
What are, today, the leading financial families of New England and New York, bridge the transition from British to Soviet control of the international drug-traffic. The Perkins Syndicate of Salem, Massachusetts, were the American drug-  trafficking partners of the British East India Company during the late eighteenth and the nineteenth centuries: establishing the drug-traffickers' fortunes which are the foundation of the wealth of the so-called "Eastern Liberal Establishment," the New York Council on Foreign Relations, of today. Not accidentally, these same families of Britain and the United States, typified by McGeorge Bundy's circles, are the leading accomplices of the Soviet dictatorship, both in their connections to the drug-money-laundering banking institutions, and in demanding that the United States appease Soviet strategic demands, today. It is no accident, therefore, that David Rockefeller, the founder of the pro-Soviet Trilateral Commission, entered into a partnership with the late, drug-trafficking Meyer Lansky, to turn the Mary Carter Paint Company, into the mob-linked Resorts International and Intertel. In both Britain and the United States, the "families" which built up their fortunes in the proceeds from the nineteenth-century opium traffic, are at the center of an organization known to insiders as the "Trust," the main channel of present-day Soviet KGB policy-shaping influence into policy-making circles of Western Europe and the Americas. It is no accident, that Boston-based U.S. Attorney William Weld, of the White Weld interests, interceded to cover up the money-laundering organization created under present White House Chief of Staff Donald T. Regan, among Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse, and White Weld, prior to Regan's becoming U.S. Treasury Secretary. It is no accident that Donald Regan has become a leading ally of Secretary of State George Shultz, and of Shultz's Bohemian Grove crony, Henry Kissinger, in supporting operations strategically decisive for Moscow, and contrary to the most vital strategic interests of the United States.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Drug_War/DOPE_INC_part1.html






Henry Kissinger describing Obama's "task".  I saw this interview take place in real time by CNBC on the floor of the NY stock exchange.  I could not believe my ears.  This was during the market crash of 2008-2009.  Notice the DOW ticker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aROay5kufxc




The most famous 'conspiracy theorist' trying to warn the American people, approximately 6 months before he was murdered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA





Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

[thinktank]

I often wonder where these conspiracy theorists get their info from.
I personally believe that a lot of it is nonsense, just to keep a certain group of people i.e truth seekers in fear and wearing them out, building up their profile of being unstoppable juggernauts capable of ruling the world, when they are simply just a circle of men, who can only influence on a small scale, even tiny scale.

God is sovereign and the real enemy is the devil and the devils power goes beyond these so called evil secret orgs.

[Cardinal]

 :sigh: @ Molly......I had no idea JFK had done that. I believe the Lord showed me the lie that got all of them to go along with the top level decision to kill him. I had read an 800+ page book on the FBI and Hoover, right before this.

It's one thing to get some top people on board with an assassination, but it was obvious there were people in the FBI, Secret Service, and Dallas police force that had to have complicity for all of it to happen as it did.

What came to me was that the top players in the conspiracy, used the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the standoff and ultimatim of the Kennedy's with Kruchev over the cuban missiles, in which they told Kruchev they would press the button in X amount of hours, if the missiles were not removed/inoperational.

The fear back then, especially, of the bomb, was in everyone's minds; bomb shelters were being built in backyards. They appealed to this already present fear, and portrayed Kennedy as unstable for even thinking of pressing the button. That's how they got normal people all the way down the chain, to commit the unthinkable. They thought they were preventing us from going to war with the USSR, and the bombs.

I knew about the Soviet drug trade to here; I had read somewhere that they had flooded the country with drugs to try to destroy us from within. I'd say they've done a good job; the Mexican President said this week, that the USA is the biggest drug addict. God help us. Blessings....

[Molly]

God is sovereign and the real enemy is the devil and the devils power goes beyond these so called evil secret orgs.

Have you ever thought how incredible we would be as a species without the constant trauma? They sit around planning their next traumatic event.


"trauma"

injury: any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
an emotional wound or shock often having long-lasting effects


They make sure to traumatize every generation with war, and/or  with acts of violence and destruction.  We are all wounded.


Google the effects of trauma--

This is one way satan controls the whole world--through [largely unnecessary] violence, destruction, fear, trauma.
.
Someday there will be an end to this, and the wicked will be removed--


1 Corinthians 14:33 (Amplified Bible)
33For He [Who is the source of their prophesying] is not a God of confusion and disorder but of peace and order. As [is the practice] in all the churches of the saints (God's people),

   


he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3He restoreth my soul:

--Psa 23

[WhiteWings]

The fear back then, especially, of the bomb, was in everyone's minds; bomb shelters were being built in backyards. They appealed to this already present fear, and portrayed Kennedy as unstable for even thinking of pressing the button.

His got killed because he asssumed he was elected to serve the people...

[WhiteWings]

More vids about the black gold/death......

[Molly]

:BangHead:


ww, what they said at the end there, about this being the result of a fight between BP and Halliburton over who gets the rights to the 35,000 foot deep dinosaur migration path  :mblush:---have you heard anything more about that anywhere?  I didn't realize they could claim the whole trench from the Gulf to Venezuala by hitting it first.  You think that's true?

[WhiteWings]

I don't know those laws.
If oil is just in fields thinks are "easy" but with the new origin of oil theory basicly everything is connected...

About the fight... who would benefit from it? The field is owned 75% by BP and 25% by an American driller Anadarko Petroleum Corp.
AFAIK Halliburton can lay zero claim on anything. They are just contracted for cementing and stuff they have 0% ownership AFAIK. And if they do they also need to pay for the cleanup.
That said 20 biljon cleaning costs is peanuts for what they can get out of a field/trench that size.

Today I did read a Dutch article that the BOP was know to be damaged for months. They did replace the BOP instead of repairing it.
(sound good to me but it isn't somehow...) Costs for stopping drilling were 500k/day.
But faulty BOP seems not to be the problem of BP but Trans Ocean because simply put BP leased a working platform. So it's Trans Ocean's job to keep the rig in tip top shape.

[Paul Hazelwood]

This is one way satan controls the whole world--through [largely unnecessary] violence, destruction, fear, trauma.
.

Satan controls the world. because the world must be full of morons.   Of course considering someone was allowed to drill that deep without having to demonstrate they could actually  deal with  a problem that far below the oceans surface in the first place,  (oh, its leaking, duuuuuuh, deeeeeeerrrrrrr  what do we do now)

Yep, the world if full of morons.  That explains it.

[Molly]

This is one way satan controls the whole world--through [largely unnecessary] violence, destruction, fear, trauma.
.

Satan controls the world. because the world must be full of morons.   Of course considering someone was allowed to drill that deep without having to demonstrate they could actually  deal with  a problem that far below the oceans surface in the first place,  (oh, its leaking, duuuuuuh, deeeeeeerrrrrrr  what do we do now)

Yep, the world if full of morons.  That explains it.

Not only that but they keep making the same mistake over and over again.  Have you seen this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPbUrB0moUA

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9:  Or create a volcano

Fire? Or just low quality video?
4th video

[WhiteWings]

I didn't realize they could claim the whole trench from the Gulf to Venezuala by hitting it first.  You think that's true?

(http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/oil-rig.jpg)
I don't know exactly where that trench is but mu guess is that at least one other rig is tapping from it.
Not to forget that a large part isn't US  territory.
I really wonder where that trench is. It may even run under one of the islands or even main land.

3858 rigs.... To be honest I wouldn't even have guessed that number worldwide...