Heaven, Yes...Hell, No

[RonnyTX]

   ..don't mean to butt in.. but here is another way of possibly seeing it.. just like eternal death is a possibility, except for Jesus' rescue, so too is a fiery gehenna burning time a possibility and potential.. but I think few stubborn holdouts will actually end up there.. there being an age and an age (millennium and judgment) before it.. To me the kindness of God will not require more of those in the role of not believing before death, than what He required from those chosen, through no praise or boast of their own, for the role of believing during this life, aka no harsher treatment.. :smile:

Ronny to Marie Glenn:
I agree,as best I see it now. For in this age,the ones of us that God has chosen,God has used whatever He knew it would take,to bring us to repentance towards God and on to faith,in Jesus Christ. First,there was God simply letting me know,that I was lost-that I was not in a right relationship with God. Then there was the pain I experienced,as God let me see that I was not good and let me see my sinful selfrighteousness. And God let me compare that of myself,to God and God's holiness. And that was the goodness of God,that brought me to repentance towards God :-) and it was painful to go through! But it was just what I needed and God knew that and God lovingly provided for me,just that which I needed! :-) And when I had repented towards God, agreed with God,the love of God began pouring out upon me and God showed me Jesus Christ on the cross. God let me see and understand, that Jesus Christ was on the cross for me,there in my place,there taking my sins upon himself. :-) And in that,God proved to me,God's love for me! :-) Now the part where God showed me my sinful selfrighteousness and let me compare that to God and God's holiness,that was very painful for me;but it was just,what God knew I needed. :-) No more and no less;but just exactly what God knew I needed. And there is no praise or boast of my own,in my being born of God,for every bit of that,was of God,from start to finish. :-) Did I believe God? Yes,I did. Did I do that apart from God and what God did for me? No, not at all. For God had to show and prove to me,that which I needed to see,know and understand,for me to be born of God. And as I see it,what God has done for one and some,before all is said and done,God will do the same,for everyone! :-) So,when it comes to our being brought to repentance towards God and on to faith in Jesus Christ,then God will give to each person,exactly what they need,for that to happen to them. That and no more and no less.

Ronny to Roseread:
I love it that you both here   Bro Ronnie and Marie
  I do read many posts

   and are blesed by those willing to share their  personal   growth in truth and grace   


   I believe the building up of Jesus Christ  this Mountain in the earth      is by His SPIRIT OF HOLINESS   and all will come and worship  HIM

and as with growing pains the tearing down of Babylon      is also essential       in everyone of us as well   

  we get to experience both the    chastening of the Lord and     seeing His glory revealed  in the earth as it is in heaven

  Time is not a     thing God concerns Himself with      as us humans  do

   God made  3 ages and stages           for us to learn from
  being what was and what is and what is to come

  We only Know what we  know by His mercy and giving to us by His own Spirit and truth      , those are what we have to    praise God with     always

   Love to all , its the greatest  gift of God we can ever possess    in our hearts   that being Jesus Christ , I now understand that Jesus is the reward !   

I have said it for years about      this        fact      but  has  just now becoming a reality      :HeartThrob:

Ronny to Rosered:
Amen and amen! :-)

And though it's not a "sweet" thing to God through,is is such a good thing,that God does chasten us. For as the scripture well says,God chastens,who He loves. And like the best Parent of all,He does such for our own good and for the good of some others,as well! :-)

And I really like what Jesus Christ said,to his early disciples. Simply,follow me.
:-) And that,is what we are to do. But for many years,I did a combination of sometimes following Jesus Christ and at other times,following my early local church leaders;but then,God taught me better. :-) Taught me,that I was not to follow local church leaders at all,unless I knew that what they were saying and doing,was of God. So I can still have a good time,listening to some preachers and  be blessed of God in my listening to some things they say,even though I know,that all they say,is not of God. 

BTW,I also remembered something else tonight, :-) that my old mind,had forgot about! :-) And it's my having talked to a niece of mine,about how I now believe in UR. And I came to find out,that she also believes the same! :-) So besides me,that's makes 2 people among my family members,who also believe on this now,as I do! My niece and a nephews wife! :-) And I now have my suspicions, that there may be others in my family,who also believe the same. I don't know who they are yet,if any;but there could be some. But like me,they may just seldom talk about such,among family members. Hard to do that,when you come to find out that some family members,will really get mad,if you tell them you believe in UR and that there is no Jesus Christ created hell,of eternal torment.

[RonnyTX]

I don't think that means those condemned to "the second death-the lake of fire" get off easy. I think what they will experience when they are judged before the great white throne will be their chastening.

Ronny to Tom:
And that's good,for who God loves,he chastens! :-)

And we who are born of God in this age,we also have and go through God's chastening. I know,both when we are born of God and afterwards to. We go through many things and we may will not always understand why;but we can come to know,that every bit of it is from God and for our own good! :-)

Tom to Ronny:
I agree. We all need guidance and correction, and everything God does is for our good. I believe even evil serves a purpose for ultimate good, and it will eventually be nullified because it will no longer be necessary when God is all in all.

Ronny to Tom:
Oh yeah,even evil does serve a purpose for ultimate good! :-) For God brings good out of all things,even evil! :-)

[RonnyTX]

While some UR believers are trying to negate the unpleasantness or duration of whatever the Gehenna/lake of fire experience will be, I don't think the scriptures allow for that. Jesus Himself spoke of people being cast into fire.

The theory that Jesus was using the Pharisees false pagan beliefs against them could be true, but there is no empirical evidence in the scriptures for that- at all. It requires the acceptance of an assumption and I would rather just inform those who oppose UR that whatever these fiery experiences are, LITERALLY OR METAPHORICALLY, they are not eternal, they are corrective, and demonstrate that by the scriptures.

Ronny to Eaglesway:
Just thinking of the scripture that says,God is a consuming fire. Then comparing that,to when God saved me. God let me know I was lost-not in a right relationship with God. And God let me see,that I was in the presence of God. And I knew,it was holy God. I knew God was holy. And God let me see my sinfullness,my sinful selfrighteousness. God let me see the both of those and in contrast, God and God's holiness and me and my sinful selfrighteousness. And that was the goodness of God,that brought me to repentance. That is,I saw,understood and agreed with everything God showed to me,both about God and myself. And it was painful,very painful,to see and understand,my own sinful selfrighteousness. To me,this is God,our God who is a consuming fire, burning out of me,that which needed to be burnt out,burnt up. So in my being born of God,God quite literally,cast me into fire. No,not one that could be seen with the human eye;but certainly one,that I could feel. And that was not meaness on God's part;but instead,it was because of the love of God for me and at that particular time,God expressing God's love for me,in the exact way I needed. And this is what I see,that God will do for every person,be it in this age or the ages to come. That is,when God,the goodnes of God, decides to bring a particular person to repentance towards God,then God will give to that particular person,
exactly what they need,for that to come about. And then,when God,the goodness of God has brought that person to repentance towards God-agreement with what God is showing them about both God and themself,when God brings that particular person to see and agree with such and they do see and agree with God,then at that time,the love of God will began flowing out upon that person. :-) And when God does that for the person,God will also show them,that it was Jesus Christ on the cross for them,taking their sins,upon himself! :-)

This is beautifully expressed,in a verse from that old song,Amazing Grace. "Twas grace that caused my heart to fear and grace my fears relieved. How precious did that grace appear,the hour I first believed."
:-)

Rosered:
  :goodpost:        both say so much and AMEN!!!        :boyheart:


   So many   cannot     understand this      beautiful part of Gods plan       :thumbsup:

satan is last  for the fire because of the destruction of the flesh being a necessary   part of Gods plan

all things work  together for the good of those    whom love the Lord and are called according to His purpose     :flowerred:

  keeping this in mind at all times is what helps get us though the  hard parts       the Helper and comforter of the Holy Spirit     and fire     sent  for the Glory of God
  to be revealed unto us   ,  each and every one

Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-)

And Rosered,I remember 19 years ago now,how God so used that scripture to help me!     :-)  I had been taught one thing by some local church elders and had believed such,since I was 12 years old. So,I believed something they taught me about myself,for 28 years. Then God brought some other Christians into my life,that made me wonder if what I'd been taught,was true or not? And one Christian preacher in particular,God had brought him into my life,to show me that if I didn't understand a matter and or wasn't sure,I was simply to ask God. Ask God to show me. Ask God to guide me and show me,as I read and studied on some scriptures. And in my 40th year,I had done that on one subject,for around 6 weeks. My,I so wanted to understand and know one thing and whether it was true or not. I wanted to know for sure and therefore,I wanted to know from God and God alone. So,I was reading the scriptures and asking God to guide and show me. And I was seeing somethings;but after maybe 6 weeks,I still didn't have a definate answer. And one night I was reading scripture and despaired of ever finding out the truth of this particular matter. And when I really despaired,I began to have some thoughts of suicide. I was sitting at the kitchen table and thought about the rifle,that was sitting over in the corner of the room. And just as soon as I had that thought,God put this scripture in my mind! :-) "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 And just as soon as God did that for me,I simply stopped and asked/prayed to God. Asking God,if something I had been taught to believe,was true or not? If some specific part of me,was sinful or not? And God simply answered my prayer and said no. And I can't explain how I heard that;but hear it I did and I knew my answer was from God. :-) Well,right at first I couldn't believe such,so I prayed the 2nd time,asking God the same again. And in like manner,God simply replied to my prayer and gave me the same answer again! :-) So what I had to know,was desperate to know and what I wanted to know and that directly from God,that is exactly what God gave to me and did for me. :-) Just shaking my head in wonder,at the ways God works and the love of God! :-)

Rosered:
  Thanks Bro Ronnie
  that is just so precious !!     wow , I   understand    what you mean when come to that place,,, where we all ," but give up everything !!" 


Ronny to Rosered:
Thank you Rosered. :-) And I have no doubt;but that God took me to that place of giving up,just so God would reremind me,of just how greatly God did love me and that God would make everything,to work out for good! :-) And in all of this, God forced me to go directly to God for my answer and that was just what I needed. And I can't remember right now,how to spell her last name;but I really have like reading somethings by this woman,named Jan A. I've really liked reading some,in her blog. But one thing that really put a smile on my face,was how she sometimes says,that God takes at times,takes us through the briar patches an knotholes of life! :-) So true! LoL And that,for our own good! :-)


Rosered to Ronny:
To Know God and His Will   
I believe this is exactly how all of   us learn  from asking  God for His Wisdom     over matters  and opening the scriptures up 

Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-)


Rosered to Ronny:
  God really does Love us , we have such a hard time knowing  that  simple  yet   beautiful and profound part


Ronny to Rosered:
I knew that,from the time God saved me,when I was 16 years old;but for years after that,I was still in so much bondage,to some people. My early church elders, those that I'd been brought up in the local church and taught to listen to,as if they were God. They weren't and I knew that;but still,I was taught to listen to everything they said,as if they were God and God speaking to me. And I'm sure in somethings,they did speak God's truth from the pulpit;but I'm just as sure, that in a number of other things,they were not speaking for God;but,they thought they were. So,they were deceived and so was I,by somethings they taught me to believe.


Rosered to Ronny:
  I know this time of year we have little    birds struggling to survive the harsh winters , we got a doozy last night
  and when you feed them all     ,  its fun to watch , but this one little bird flew up on the window sill     as to    not fear   , but  be   bold   and  trust     and just   do a little dance on the sill   and my heart swelled for all the  little birds because of that one      and as I watched , I thought God   because OF JESUS CHRIST 

  coming as the one     and you loving  ALL   because of your ONE OF A KIND SON !    Showing mercy though the suffering of all     your kind hand feeds us everyone          I loved that lesson     , I knew  Gods Love was  more precious        than any thing we could ever imagine !! 


Ronny to Rosered:
Amen! :-)

And here in NE Texas,it was Southern cold last night :-) and a dusting of snow this morning! But that melted off,by this evening. Was pretty to see;but I'm glad it warmed up enough for it to melt! :-) And I enjoy looking out my oldest Sis's front door here and seeing some birds as well,in her yard and driveway. :-) This morning,it was several real little birds. Can't remember what they're called? But they come around more in late fall and winter and I sure enjoy watching them. :-) Which reminds me,to just now put down birdhouses and bird feeders,on a list of things,that I might just like to build? 


Rosered to Ronny:
He does this often    in things    and ways that teach us as well,   His mercy and    loving kindness        Jesus prays for all the intercessor   though His Spirit  for all   to survive   and live      even in harsh times
 
:HeartThrob:         

Ronny to Rosered:
Amen-how true! :-)

And just thinking here,about how Jesus Christ even prayed to the Father,for those who were killing him! And later on,Stephen followed his example and did the same. And Jesus Christ,he simply tells us,follow Me. And that,is what we should do. Yet a few years back,I was posting in what was supposed to be a mostly Christian group and a lot of the people there,had this in common-a preacher from the past,who had really abused them all. He had even got them to write out their checks to him,instead of in the name of their local church! And later on,they said he even told them,that the church house was his,because he'd bought it,with his money. But it was the money,they gave him! And I posted with these people,for some time and I could see how bitter they still were,towards him and this years after his death. And one time,I simply posted the scripture there,where Jesus Christ tells us,we are to love our enemy,etc. My, I was shocked at how many people there,got so mad about that! (ha) But that is what Jesus Christ tells us,as he tells us to follow him. And as I well know, bitterness and anger at some local church leaders,that never helped me. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't say,when and what they've done that was just wrong;but it helps neither them or us,for us to stay mad and bitter,at such people.

[RonnyTX]

I've started a major project, a chapter-by-chapter survey of the Bible, demonstrating the lack of Hell-indicators.  I'm going to post as I go, and useful comments are welcome.  I've have gobs of writing classes, so be aware that I have a very thick skin when it comes to criticism.

HEAVEN, YES
HELL, NO

In most matters of great importance, it is best to go back to Genesis, and check what it has to say to us.  Sometimes, it has surprises.

Ronny to Lazarus:
I think it's a really good thing,that you're doing this! :-)

Lazarus:
Genesis, chapter 1
This records God making the Cosmos, the Heavens, and the Earth.  Those who believe in the Powers of
Darkness (so called) should note that God made darkness too, and it is simply where Light has not penetrated.  The rest is superstition reinforced by dangerous animals lurking in the dark.  We see, if we read the text correctly, that the cosmos is a hierarchy – God and His creation - not a dualistic Heaven versus Hell, with the creation as a prey between them.  There is no mention of God making Hell, quite a lapse if Hell actually exists.  Maybe He made it later, but we'll see.

Chapter 2
God makes Adam and Eve, and an interesting detail is that Adam calls Eve "bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh," instead of the way it would probably be said today:  she is my own flesh and blood.  I wonder if blood, as we know it today, existed before the Fall.  God tells them not to eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil, lest they die.  God failed to mention the risk of them also going to Hell, that is, if Hell existed.  Should He not have brought up such a horrible possibility?  Maybe death was the only risk they were taking...

Chapter 3
The fruit is eaten, the fall happens, and the curse is placed on the serpent, Adam, Eve, in fact on the whole creation - still no mention of Hell or the risk of anybody going there, not even the serpent.

Chapter 4
God upbraids Cain for his anger, cautioning him that sin could take him if he does not master his emotions, but fails to mention the possibility of Hell if he does wrong.

Chapters 5 – 9
These chapters record the story of the Great Flood, in which millions of sinful people died.  However, there is no mention of anything happening to them except simple death.

Chapters 10 – 19
Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed, along with several smaller towns around them.  All the people in them, except Lot and two daughters, are killed.  The text is silent on their ultimate fate, and Hell is not mentioned.  Please note that what fell on those cities was literal fire, not Hellfire.

Chapter 20
Abimelek  takes  Sarah  from Abraham, and God then
threatens him with death.  Now, many people believe sinners go directly to Hell if their sins are not repented of, but God, always righteous and honest, fails to mention this risk.  Abimelek protests his innocence, and God makes things right, instructing Abimelek to give her back, which he does.

Chapters 21 – 38
Judah loses a couple of sons, killed by God for their wickedness - still no mention of them going to Hell.

Chapters 39 – 40
A baker gets hung, but there is no mention of him going to Hell.

Chapters 41 – 42
Jacob/Israel orders his sons to go to Egypt to buy grain, so that they would not die – again, there is no mention of any risk of them also going to Hell.

Chapters 43 – 45
At the very end of chapter 45, Jacob/Israel rejoices that Joseph was not dead, but fails to express thanks that he was not also in Hell.  He was also happy that he would see Joseph before he died, but it is just a simple fact:  death, not Hell.

Chapters 46 – 50
Jacob/Israel dies, and later Joseph, but there is no mention of Hell.

There is no mention of Hell, then, in the book of Genesis.

[rosered]

Ronny to Rosered:
Amen-how true! :-)

And just thinking here,about how Jesus Christ even prayed to the Father,for those who were killing him! And later on,Stephen followed his example and did the same. And Jesus Christ,he simply tells us,follow Me. And that,is what we should do. Yet a few years back,I was posting in what was supposed to be a mostly Christian group and a lot of the people there,had this in common-a preacher from the past,who had really abused them all. He had even got them to write out their checks to him,instead of in the name of their local church! And later on,they said he even told them,that the church house was his,because he'd bought it,with his money. But it was the money,they gave him! And I posted with these people,for some time and I could see how bitter they still were,towards him and this years after his death. And one time,I simply posted the scripture there,where Jesus Christ tells us,we are to love our enemy,etc. My, I was shocked at how many people there,got so mad about that! (ha) But that is what Jesus Christ tells us,as he tells us to follow him. And as I well know, bitterness and anger at some local church leaders,that never helped me. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't say,when and what they've done that was just wrong;but it helps neither them or us,for us to stay mad and bitter,at such people.

  Hi Bro Ronnie ,
  To   me , this just proves the scriptures ,
  And how the Truth is   just as binding as it is loosing     when you disobey     them   and it always come down to the matters of the heart  :HeartThrob:

   the Word of God is not bound   , but we by the  wrong attitude are bound by them
   the   True Shepherd  cares for His sheep 
  and other is a hireling and   does not care for the sheep

and those when it comes to religion will find  the wolves in sheeps clothing 

  but they were given an opportunity to      overcome evil with good  and it produced the fruit  of bitterness instead  ,   they could  have suffered   the wrong   as we Know   this is what Jesus    and forgiveness   and grace is all about      and lessons learned   in   His righteousness   


2Tim  2
8 Remember Jesus Christ, who was raised from the dead, who is from the ·family [L seed] of David [2 Sam. 7:12–16].

·This is the Good News I preach [L ...according to my Gospel], 9 and I am suffering because of it to the point of being bound with chains like a criminal.

But God's ·teaching [message; word] is not in chains/ bound .


10 So I ·patiently accept [endure] all these troubles so that those whom God has chosen can ·have [receive; obtain] the salvation that is in Christ Jesus. With that salvation comes ·glory that never ends [eternal glory].

11 This ·teaching is true [saying/word is trustworthy; 1 Tim. 1:15; 3:1; 4:9; Titus 3:8; C what follows may be an early Christian hymn]:

If we died with him, we will also live with him.
12 If we ·accept suffering [endure; persevere], we will also ·rule [reign] with him.


If we ·say we don't know [deny; disown; renounce] him, he will ·say he doesn't know [deny; disown; renounce] us.
13 If we are not faithful, he will still be faithful,
    because he ·must be true to who he is [L cannot deny/disown himself].

[Lazarus Short]

Ronny to Rosered:
Just thought of something else! :-) And I need to get this part written out. But I've always said I want my funeral to be much,like a congregational singing! :-) And right off of the bat,I can think of 3 songs,that I want the whole congregation to sing. Amazing Grace,How Great Thou Art and The Love of God! :-) And I know some scriptures too,that I would want to be read at my funeral. Those like,in Adam all die,in Jesus Christ all shall be made alive! :-)

Well,years ago now,an aunt of mine gave me this idea. For,for her funeral, beforehand she wrote out exactly what songs she wanted sung and what scriptures she wanted read. I like that,I really like that idea. :-)

Ronny, that's a fine idea.  I've heard that in China, at least in the old days, it was a custom to have the coffin parked near to an old relative, so that they would know their body would get a proper burial - a comfort.  Laz has even decided on an epitaph:

I Never Wanted To Be Here Anyway.

[RonnyTX]

Ronny to Rosered:
Just thought of something else! :-) And I need to get this part written out. But I've always said I want my funeral to be much,like a congregational singing! :-) And right off of the bat,I can think of 3 songs,that I want the whole congregation to sing. Amazing Grace,How Great Thou Art and The Love of God! :-) And I know some scriptures too,that I would want to be read at my funeral. Those like,in Adam all die,in Jesus Christ all shall be made alive! :-)

Well,years ago now,an aunt of mine gave me this idea. For,for her funeral, beforehand she wrote out exactly what songs she wanted sung and what scriptures she wanted read. I like that,I really like that idea. :-)

Lazarus:
Ronny, that's a fine idea.  I've heard that in China, at least in the old days, it was a custom to have the coffin parked near to an old relative, so that they would know their body would get a proper burial - a comfort.  Laz has even decided on an epitaph:

I Never Wanted To Be Here Anyway.

Ronny to Lazarus:
:-)

I once built a small greenhouse and that,partly underground. Dug out the ground there,2 to 3 feet deep. Then in later years,I would sometimes tease some people,saying I could be buried there,etc! :-) I also never liked the high prices the funeral homes charged for a coffin,so said for me,they should use a 55 gallon metal barrel. :-) And if they wanted to stretch me out,one of my nephews could simply weld two of those barrels together! :-) LoL

Ok,to get  a little more serious. :-) And as I've been known to say,I'm not cheap;but I am frugal! :-) And I do dislike the high prices funeral homes charge for caskets! So I thought of cremation and some of my family don't like that idea. But as I say,we're all going back to the dust,so this cremation way,I would just get back there faster! :-)

And over the years and lately too,I've simply thought of donating my body to science. I just like the idea,of kids at a medical school,being able to practice on my dead body,so that they can better learn,how to help the living. A few years back,that is what an uncle of mine did-donated his body to science. Then as best I understand,after they get what use out of such they can,the body is cremated and the ashes returned to the family. And all that,at no cost to the remaining family members.

And I do have some insurance;but not a great amount. And right now,the ones who would get that at my death,would be any surviving members of my immediate family,my older 6 brothers and sisters. And I've been known to say in past years,that I want as little of my insurance as possible,spent on my burial. And that any surviving brothers and sisters of mine,should simply take a part of my insurance money and have a party! :-) I don't mean they have to do anything fancy;but after my death,I want them to celebrate life and the many good times,we had,in our growing up together! :-) And yes,I know they would grieve at my passing,just as I and others grieve,at the passing of a loved one. And nothing wrong with grieving;but we don't need to stay there. We also,need to celebrate life,the life God has given us.

There is that custom here,that I really like. A family member dies and people of the community,friends of the family,they bring food to one home. Then after a loved ones funeral,everyone gathers there. Both to share a meal and to talk about some good things,of the past. So in that way,they celebrate a life.

And thinking here,of when my Dad's funeral procession,was winding out of the local town. The hearse in front and the other vehicles following behind. I never will forget this man,who was walking down a sidewalk in that town. As we passed,he simply stopped and took off his hat.  My,I so appreciated that act of kindness and I look forward to the day,I can meet that man and tell his just that! :-)

[Lazarus Short]

Leviticus, chapter 1
Right away, the Helliolater will probably step forward and declare, "There you are!  Burned sacrifices – that's symbolic of Hell!"  Well, maybe not, but let's take a look at what's going on here.  My father's father used to say, "It doesn't mean there's goslings just because there's a gander sitting on the gatepost!"  As students of Scripture, we need to rightly divide the Word of God, to look under the surface for deeper meanings, to understand what the text is really saying.  Our task may seem daunting due to the subject being "types and shadows," but some thoughtful study should clear things up.
Except for the fire, the symbology just does not fit with the conventional picture of Hell.  Sacrifices are burned up in the tabernacle service, not burned on and on.  More importantly, the person bringing the sacrifice transfers his sin or guilt to the animal being sacrificed, just as the sin and/or guilt of the whole world was transferred to the perfect sacrifice, Jesus.  The rituals of sacrifice in the books of Moses are symbolic of THAT, not of Hell.  Hell symbolism would surely involve human sacrifice in fire, and in fact, it did happen in Christianity, but only after Hell theology had become entrenched.  I speak of course, of burning at the stake, and the auto-da-fe'.  My understanding of all of that is, "Well, they're going to Hell, so let's give them a good start."  BTW, Hell is not mentioned in the texts having to do with the sacrificial services.  Chapter one ends with these words:  "...a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto to the Lord."  Do you not see that this cannot have anything to do with Hell, as most think of Hell?  If you put the two ideas together, a God who sends people to Hell, and a God of love, a huge dissonance must begin in the human mind.  It need not be so.

Chapters 2 – 9
Leviticus 6:13 states, "The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out."  Leviticus 9:24 shows us a literal consuming fire of God.  Remember that this fire is not a symbol of eternal punishment, but stands for the nature of God as a cleansing fire, burning up peace, sin, and trespass offerings in order to atone for the sinful and guilty, and restore them to God's favor.  Again, this is a picture of a God of Love, not Punishment.

Chapters 10 - 16
Nadab and Abihu offer strange fire before God (by accident or by design, we aren't told), and are killed/consumed by the same fire we saw in chapter 9.  The account is silent on their fate beyond death, relating only that their dead bodies were carried outside the camp without ceremony.

Chapters 17 - 19
God says of anyone who eats blood, "I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people."  Sending that person also to Hell is not mentioned.

Chapters 20 - 25
Penalties for various immoral acts are prescribed, but even for the one act which merited burning (whether the offenders were to be burned alive or burned after being killed is not spelled out), any future punishment in Hell is not threatened.

Chapters 26 – 27
Here, blessings for obedience and cursings for disobedience are spelled out in some detail.  God states more than once that He will punish seven times more if the disobedient do not repent.  However, as severe as God's judgments are, they do not include a future punishment in eternal fire.

There is no mention of Hell, then, in the Book of Leviticus.

[eaglesway]

Awesome.

[WhiteWings]

Leviticus, chapter 1
Right away, the Helliolater will probably step forward and declare, "There you are!  Burned sacrifices – that's symbolic of Hell!"  Well, maybe not, but let's take a look at what's going on here.  My father's father used to say, "It doesn't mean there's goslings just because there's a gander sitting on the gatepost!"  As students of Scripture, we need to rightly divide the Word of God, to look under the surface for deeper meanings, to understand what the text is really saying.  Our task may seem daunting due to the subject being "types and shadows," but some thoughtful study should clear things up.
Except for the fire, the symbology just does not fit with the conventional picture of Hell.  Sacrifices are burned up in the tabernacle service, not burned on and on.  More importantly, the person bringing the sacrifice transfers his sin or guilt to the animal being sacrificed, just as the sin and/or guilt of the whole world was transferred to the perfect sacrifice, Jesus.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the sacrificial animals were pure and spotless. They were also of the "holy type" sheep, goats, bullocks. If it was a symbol of hell would expect sacrifice of, say, disfigured swine.
It doesn't make sense to link pure animals to hell.

Only part of the animal was sacrificed to God. If it's a picture of hell why only a  part is sacrificed? Where are the other parts? The parts that were actually burned varied greatly on the type of sacrifice. (peace, sin, communication). Symbolic for different types of hell. Think not....

This page clearly shows all the different type of sacrifices and parts being offered.
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/levitical%20sacrifices%20and%20offerings%20of%20the%20old%20covenant.htm

[eaglesway]

Leviticus, chapter 1
Right away, the Helliolater will probably step forward and declare, "There you are!  Burned sacrifices – that's symbolic of Hell!"  Well, maybe not, but let's take a look at what's going on here.  My father's father used to say, "It doesn't mean there's goslings just because there's a gander sitting on the gatepost!"  As students of Scripture, we need to rightly divide the Word of God, to look under the surface for deeper meanings, to understand what the text is really saying.  Our task may seem daunting due to the subject being "types and shadows," but some thoughtful study should clear things up.
Except for the fire, the symbology just does not fit with the conventional picture of Hell.  Sacrifices are burned up in the tabernacle service, not burned on and on.  More importantly, the person bringing the sacrifice transfers his sin or guilt to the animal being sacrificed, just as the sin and/or guilt of the whole world was transferred to the perfect sacrifice, Jesus.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the sacrificial animals were pure and spotless. They were also of the "holy type" sheep, goats, bullocks. If it was a symbol of hell would expect sacrifice of, say, disfigured swine.
It doesn't make sense to link pure animals to hell.

Only part of the animal was sacrificed to God. If it's a picture of hell why only a  part is sacrificed? Where are the other parts? The parts that were actually burned varied greatly on the type of sacrifice. (peace, sin, communication). Symbolic for different types of hell. Think not....

This page clearly shows all the different type of sacrifices and parts being offered.
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/levitical%20sacrifices%20and%20offerings%20of%20the%20old%20covenant.htm

Plus which the sacrifices were all prototypes of the sacrifice of Christ, enabling the one for whom the sacrifice was made to escape punishment for their sin, entitling them to "remission" of sin. Clearly then the sacrifices were for propitiation, not punishment or torment, and no sacrifice was burned alive.

[rosered]

  Thanks Ronnie , and Laz and   John and Tony for

     Sharing ,,,, all helpful  :thumbsup: 

Quote from: RonnyTX on November 18, 2014, 05:48:46 AM




Ronny to Rosered:
Just thought of something else! :-) And I need to get this part written out. But I've always said I want my funeral to be much,like a congregational singing! :-) And right off of the bat,I can think of 3 songs,that I want the whole congregation to sing. Amazing Grace,How Great Thou Art and The Love of God! :-) And I know some scriptures too,that I would want to be read at my funeral. Those like,in Adam all die,in Jesus Christ all shall be made alive! :-)

Well,years ago now,an aunt of mine gave me this idea. For,for her funeral, beforehand she wrote out exactly what songs she wanted sung and what scriptures she wanted read. I like that,I really like that idea. :-)

Ronny, that's a fine idea.  I've heard that in China, at least in the old days, it was a custom to have the coffin parked near to an old relative, so that they would know their body would get a proper burial - a comfort.  Laz has even decided on an epitaph:

I Never Wanted To Be Here Anyway

 

[marie glen]

..I would rather just inform those who oppose UR that whatever these fiery experiences are, LITERALLY OR METAPHORICALLY, they are not eternal, they are corrective, and demonstrate that by the scriptures.

Me too! ..but with other UR folks i sometimes will try to communicate my belief that only very few, very stubborn holdouts, and the devil and his angels, will make it to the more stringent measures of the LOF..

[Lazarus Short]

Numbers, chapters 1 – 10
These chapters are an account of a census, the setting aside of the tribe of Levi, various duties and tasks, dedications, various Laws, and other matters.  This writer finds no mention of Hell.

Chapter 11
In response to complaints, some are killed by the same fire we read about in Leviticus.  No numbers of dead or their afterlife fate are mentioned.  This, "the fire of the Lord," cannot be Hell, as it burns in the material world, among the living.  No mention has been made yet that God has created Hell.  Later, lots of people in the camp die, smitten by God as soon as they sink teeth into quail (?) from the sea.  Even though people were so carefully numbered in past chapters, there is oddly no reckoning here.  Those who survived must have buried their dead quickly or fled without bothering to bury or count.  With quail two cubits high on the ground, it must have been an unhealthy place, but it was not Hell, or even Hell-on-Earth.

Chapters 12 – 14
Given the prospect of taking the land of Promise, the people respond with, "Would God that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would God we had died in this wilderness!" (14:2)  Notice that Hell is not in their thinking, just simple death, unlike people today who might ask why God doesn't just kill them and send them to Hell.  God's response is for that generation to die in the wilderness, and ten of the twelve men who went into Canaan as spies die right away.  The next day, many of the people tried to take Canaan by the arm of flesh, failed, and many must have died.  No assignment to Hell is mentioned for any of them.

Chapter 15
A sabbath breaker is stoned - no mention of Hell.

Chapter 16
Verses 30 to 35 relate God's judgment on Korah and those who followed him.  If I read it right, then, Korah, Dathan, Abiram, their families, and their goods, all fell into an opening in the ground.  Korah's other 250 men were burned alive by the fire we know well by now – well enough to know it wasn't Hellfire.

This is where Hell comes in – the KJV states that Korah and company fell alive into "the pit." (verse 33)  The FFV reads "the grave," while the KJV II and the YLT both use the term "Sheol."  We don't see the word "Hell" yet in the KJV, but this seems a good point to deal with it.  I checked my OED, finding the usual definitions of "Hel," "Hell," and "Helle."  "Hel" is also the name of the Norse god/ogress of their under-world.  "Hell" as a verb, is derived from an old Germanic word, meaning "to cover."  My father told me about this years ago – if a farmer lacked a root cellar or a cellar under the house, and needed a place to keep veggies or fruits over the winter, he would do the following.  First, he would dig a pit or trench to below the local frost line.  Then, he would line the bottom with straw.  On top of that, he'd place a layer of, say, potatoes.  More straw on top of the potatoes, and he would finish the job by shoveling in the dirt previously dug out.  Note – it is called "helling the potatoes."  Now in the case of Korah and the others who fell alive into the pit which opened under them, they were helled by God, and died in the pit, in the grave, in sheol.  An eternal, conscious abode in the Hell of Dante, Milton, and Baxter is not mentioned or implied, so there is no need or reason to interpret it so.  Many passages in the Bible are subject to the same argument.

Chapter 17
After Aaron's rod budded, people complained to Moses that they risked perishing and dying because of the Tabernacle.  Their expressed fear is only of death, not Hell.

Chapter 18
At the end of this chapter we see the phrase "...lest ye die."  It is often seen as God lays down the Law to Israel, but there is no threat of Hell in it, in any instance.

Chapter 19
God speaks of inaction for which, "...that soul shall be
cut off from Israel."   It is not elaborated on, but I see no threat of Hell or even death in it, only a sort of banishment.

Chapter 20
Miriam dies and is buried without comment.  Later on,
Aaron dies, or as God tells it, is "gathered unto his people."  His death and non-entry into Canaan are a result of his actions, but no further punishment, such as Hell, is mentioned.

Chapter 21
More death here – the Canaanites are massacred, fiery serpents bite and kill Israelites, the Amorites are massacred, as well as the people of Bashan.  Hell is not mentioned.

Chapters 22 – 24
Balaam goes to Balak to curse Israel.  He is accosted by an angel sent to kill him, but without threat of Hell.  In passing, I note that in 23:19, God says, "God is not a man, that he should lie."  This assures us that God, and God's Word do not propagate a falsehood, or by silence, imply one.  As Jesus said centuries later, "If it were not so, I would have told you." (?)  Let us keep up our examination of God's Word, to see if Hell is so, to show ourselves approved, and to see if the cursing of the threat of Hell is not so, but as through Balaam, God has blessings in mind instead.

Chapter 25
A number of Israelites are killed for idolatry, 24,000 die in a plague, Zimri and Cozbi are killed by Phinehas, but Hell is not threatened or mentioned.

Chapter 26
Israel is numbered again, and all men who went out
from Egypt are found to have died, except for Caleb and Joshua.  Hell is not mentioned.

Chapter 27
An Israelite, Zelophehad, has died for his own sins, as part of the cursed generation, but Hell is not mentioned.

Chapter 28 – 31
Most of Midian is massacred, including  Balaam, but Hell is not mentioned as the destiny of Midian's dead.  Of 12,000 warriors sent by Israel, not one is lost.

Chapter 32 – 36
In these chapters, the only things touching our thesis are statements about cities of refuge, murderers, and bloodshed – but no statements about Hell.

There is no mention of Hell, then, in the Book of Numbers.

[Lazarus Short]

Deuteronomy, chapters 1 – 8
Most of the content of the early chapters of this book is a retelling of what was previously in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers.  In 7:9 – 10, we see this, "...the Lord thy God...repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them...he will repay him to his face."  Nothing is said here about repayment later, in the afterlife or in Hell.  In the same way, promises, blessings, warnings, and cursings are all couched in terms of earthly things, in this life – no afterlife consequences are mentioned (I am not suggesting there is no afterlife).

Chapters 9 – 10
Chapter 10 is a second witness to the Genesis story of the creation:  "...the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the Lord's thy God, the earth also..." (verse 14).  Hell is not mentioned as belonging to the Lord God, or even existing at all.

Chapters 11 – 18
At the end of chapter 18, God tells us through Moses:  "...when a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken...thou shalt not be afraid of him."  Based on this statement, if your priest, minister, or preacher teaches and preaches Hell, you are not to fear it or the speaker, IF God has not spoken of it.  So far, we have picked up not so much as a hint of Hell in His word.

Chapters 19 – 28
The famous blessings and cursings of chapter 28 are silent on the subject of Hell.  In the blessings, there is no mention of safety from Hell as a blessing, though it certainly would be if Hell existed.  In the cursings, there is no threat of Hell, or any hint of its possibility in the afterlife.  What God spells out as the blessings and cursings, are consequences of obedience or disobedience and they are entirely consequences in the here-and-now temporal world in which we live to this day.  God's most extreme threat to the living is death, and He has no threat against the dead at all.

Chapter 29
What is the worst that God proposes to do to those who will not obey His covenant?  In verse 20, He states, "...the anger of the Lord, and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven."  There is no mention of sending that man to Hell after death, which God surely had the power to do, if Hell actually existed.

Chapter 30
Verse 15 sets out "...life and good, and death and evil..." not "...life and good, and Hell and evil."

Chapters 31 – 32
Here it is, in 32:22 – "...a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains."  Remember that there is no Biblical record of the creation of Hell, so where is this coming from?  First of all, we have hell, the earth, and mountains.  Two of the three are part of the here-and-now literal creation.  Is this hell any different?  Some think Hell is located at the center of the earth, below Jerusalem.  Others see Hell as being a metaphysical place, a spiritual place.  This is neither – "hell" in this verse is badly translated from sheol, or "the unseen," which we have dealt with before.  Lacking the concept of the Immortality of the Soul, the early Israelites understood that the dead were dead - their state and condition were unseen and unknown.  "Grave" would surely be a better translation here, and "sheol" is often translated so.

Chapters 33 – 34
Moses dies, but Hell is not mentioned.

We find only one mention of "hell" in the Book of Deuteronomy, but it is a translation error.  Hell, then is not in the Book of Deuteronomy.

Hell, as a place of eternal torment in fire, is not to be found in the five books of Moses.

[eaglesway]

66 occurrences of sheol in the NT. Translated as hell and the grave and the pit in the KJV, with no apparent reason for the one word to be translated into 3 different words. should have all been the grave.

Keep up the good work Laz  :thumbsup:

[Seth]

66 occurrences of sheol in the NT. Translated as hell and the grave and the pit in the KJV, with no apparent reason for the one word to be translated into 3 different words. should have all been the grave.

Keep up the good work Laz  :thumbsup:

As it happens, the newest translations all agree with you, including the NIV etc. I guess hell was supposed to be some brand new concept Jesus brought to the NT?......that none of the Apostles mention either.

[eaglesway]

Yes. There are many words, that are translated into several different words in the KJV- and in some other versions as well(KJV is the worst), I have even run across a few in the Concordant. While i think there can be occasional contextual justification for some of that, I don't think it makes sense as a practice and is really just a manifestation of the theological preferences of the translators, which is, imo, bogus. Altho we do all work to some degree out of the inherent intellectual presumptions of what we believe- we should at least be consistent about it.

[Lazarus Short]

While the site was down, I managed to finish up Joshua:

Joshua, chapters 1 – 8
Jericho is taken and its people mostly slaughtered, but their fate after being killed is not given.  Achan commits a sin costing the armies of Israel the lives of 36 men.  Achan is stoned and burned, but no mention of him then going on to Hell is made.  Ai is treated as Jericho was, again with many dead, just dead.

Joshua, chapters 9 – 10
The ambassadors/deceivers of Gibeon explain their actions as fear of death, with no reference to Hell.  In addition to Jericho and Ai, a list of cities, with all slaughtered, is the subject of chapter ten, with lots of death, but no Hell.

Joshua, chapters 11 – 22
The whole land of Promise is taken by war and death, but Hell is not mentioned.

Joshua, chapter 23
Verse 7 tells us, "...neither make mention of the name of their gods..."  The Bible does a good job of following this rule up to this point, but note, reader, that later on the names of various pagan gods begin to be mentioned in the text of the Holy Scripture.  I can only surmise that this particular commandment had been mostly forgotten by the time the events of the book of Judges (and later books) were written down.  I try to use this formula if the situation comes up:  [name of pagan god, deleted by command of God].  I see a very real problem with so many Bible translations using the title "LORD" for the God of Israel, instead of His real name, but on the other hand, using the proper name of every pagan god mentioned in the text.  A translator should convey the original text with accuracy, but I believe a translator of the Bible should also follow the instructions of the God of that Bible, YHVH by name.  This is off the track of our Subject, but I do have my pet Biblical peeves...

Facing death, Joshua says, in verse 14, "...I am going the way of all the earth..."  His concern is not with his own afterlife destiny, but he speaks of the promises of God, and of Israel's necessary obedience.

Chapter 24
Joshua and Eleazar die and the bones of Joseph are buried without mention of Hell.

There is no mention of Hell, then, in the book of Joshua.

[Lazarus Short]

Judges went really quick:

Judges, chapters 1 - 2
Chapter 1 details more war and death, but no Hell.

Just as I predicted in my commentary on the 23rd chapter of Joshua, chapter 2 of Judges records the apostasy of Israel, and in the same breath, names a pagan god for the first time.  God is angry, punishes them in the real world by means of foreign nations, but says nothing about also sending them to Hell when they die.

Judges, chapters 3 - 21
These chapters are a litany of oppressions, judges, deliverances, war, and death, but Hell is nowhere mentioned.  Israel's first king, Abimelech, and the men who follow him, are brought to justice in the real world, and killed.  Samson dies a violent death, as do his Philistine victims, but the text is silent on their fate after death.  The tribe of Benjamin is nearly wiped out over a minor incident – men, women, and children are killed without mercy, but nothing is said beyond that.

There is no mention of Hell, then, in the Book of Judges.


 

[Lazarus Short]

Ruth, chapters 1 – 4
This is a nice, quiet, likable, interlude in the tumult of Israel's history.  A father and two sons die, but their state in death is not described.

There is no mention of Hell, then in the Book of Ruth.

[Lazarus Short]

I Samuel, chapters 1 – 2
The Song of Hannah tells us in 2:6, "The Lord killeth, and maketh alive; he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up."  Here is one of many examples of Hebrew parallelism, and "killeth" lines up with "bringeth down to the grave."  "Grave" here is that word "sheol" again, so often (mis)translated as "Hell," but don't you see that hell = grave?  Note that sheol or the grave is as far as God brings down, not further down to some literal or metaphysical Hell.  Note also the parallel "maketh alive" and "bringeth up," and this is an early hint of the coming resurrection.

Later in the chapter, God tells Levi the fate of his two evil sons:  death – as usual, just death.

Chapters 3 – 7
4,000 of Israel fall in battle, then 30,000.  The Ark is captured by the Philistines, and they pass it from city to city like a hot potato, many dying, and the rest cursed with hemorrhoids.  They send it back on a cart to Israel, but it is not treated with respect and 50,070 men die for looking into it.  On the other hand, the Philistines are smitten by God and Israel in battle, but the body count is not given.  Lots of death (just death) here.

Chapters 8 – 14
Saul becomes king, and defeats the Ammonites, with an army numbering 330,000 – an army much smaller than that which conquered the Land of Promise some centuries before.  The Philistines and other peoples are also warred against, with death the only risk mentioned.

Chapter 15
Saul musters his army to fight Amalek, but now it only numbers 200,000, plus 10,000 men of Judah, down from the 300,000 plus 30,000 of Judah which showed up to fight Ammon.  We can only wonder, for the ancient writer does not elaborate.  The Amalekites are wiped out, and even for these evil people, Hell is not mentioned.
Chapters 16 – 24
David kills Goliath and lots of other Philistines are killed in battle, but there is no body count or mention of Hell for them.

Later, the priests of Nob are killed along with their families.  Nothing is said of these righteous, innocent people going to Heaven or Hell.  David is pursued by Saul in plot after plot, but there is no hint that any danger but simple death faced him or his men.

Chapter 25
Nabal dies (25:38), "...the Lord smote Nabal, that he died."  As ever, simple death.

Chapter 26
(26:16) "As the Lord liveth, ye are worthy to die..."  There is none of that "Go to Hell" phrasing so common in modern epithets.

Chapter 27
David and his men, in service to the king of Gath, engage in extermination of some of the people Israel was charged to drive out.  No fate for them after death is given.

Chapter 28
Saul consults a witch to bring up Samuel, but was it really Samuel?  Remember that Samuel was dead, and that his body was decomposing in the grave, his spirit had returned to God (who gave it), and his soul no longer existed.  We must view this incident as a deception – the witch, Saul, and even the one who wrote the account - all seem to believe Samuel had been brought up.  I know that the ancients believed in shades, ghosts, and the like, but I view them as the manifestations of demons.  Think – did the witch, or her familiar spirit, or demons have the power to make the dead speak?  I must say, no.  God did, and I don't care to limit Him, but I am not about to say that God resurrected Samuel for a few minutes to chide Saul, just to deliver much the same message He had given to Saul before.  Anyway, the text had already stated that God was not answering Saul, so why would God cooperate with a witch?  I am just not going there – Saul had stepped into forbidden territory, and got information demons might have been well aware of.  A real Samuel takes us into dangerous theological waters, and contradicts what God tells us elsewhere in His word.

Chapters 29 – 31
David and his men kill more Amalekites - Saul, his sons, and his army are wiped out by the Philistines.  As ever, all receive simple death.

Hell, then, is not to be found in the book of I Samuel.

[micah7:9]

Excellent. And specially the info on Samuel. :dsunny:

[Lazarus Short]

II Samuel, chapters 1 - 2
David has an Amalekite killed, who claimed to have killed Saul, probably expecting a reward for doing so.  A civil war develops between David, who is king of Judah at this point, and Ishbosheth, who rules the rest of Israel.  At one point in the conflict, Abner asks, "Shall the sword devour for ever?"  If it does, then the grave devours also, but nothing is said on the order of modern parlance, such as "Hell ain't half full yet!"

Chapters 3 – 6
Abner and Ishbosheth are assassinated.  David has the killers of Ishbosheth killed, saying, "Shall I not...require his blood of your hand, and take you away from the earth?"  They were not taken to Heaven, Hell, or even to the grave, for their bodies were hung up in Hebron.

Uzzah angers God by touching the Ark, and God smites him, but the result is only his death.

Chapter 7
God says of David, "...when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee..."  Even David, the "man after God's own Heart," will not proceed to Heaven, but only to the common destiny of all men until the resurrection:  the grave.  See Acts 2:34.

Chapters 8 – 10
David fights more wars with more death, but with no mention of any fate for the dead.

Chapters 11 - 12
David plots the death of Uriah to cover up his sin with Bathsheba.  Note how the seed of this may have been planted in David's mind by the incident of Nabal and Abigail – another man dies, and David gets his wife.  God levies a heavy punishment on David, but being sent to Hell for his sin is not part of it.

Chapters 13 – 19
Amnon is killed, and later Absalom and 20,000 other men in battle.  Their fate is just death.

Chapter 20
Having previously killed Abner, Joab kills Amasa – Joab must have had a low tolerance for military rivals.  Sheba is killed and a whole city is spared.  No fate but death is stated for Amasa or Sheba.

Chapter 21
Seven descendants of Saul are delivered to the Gibeonites to be killed, and more Philistine giants are killed in battle - simple death for all.

Chapter 22
See the comments on Psalm 18.

Chapters 23 - 24
God, having something against Israel, causes David to order a census.  Israel has 1,300,000 warriors, of which 500,000 are from Judah, and that seems a big portion of the whole.  If we look at ten-tribed Israel (minus Levi and Judah) we would expect something like ten times the warriors of Judah - five million, not a mere 800,000.  There, again, seems to be a drain of population, and I am guessing colonization.  There is no explanation for it in the text, nor any explanation as to the fate of the 70,000 killed by the plague associated with the census.  David protests their innocence to God, along with his own guilt.  Hell is not mentioned.

There is no mention of Hell, then, in the Book of II Samuel.

[jbertonbounds]

I have a very thick skin when it comes to criticism.

Well I hope so, because here goes.

Many of your arguments are weak, to say the least.
True, hell is never mentioned in the original scriptures at all.
But just because a person in the bible is not said to have gone to hell, does not mean there is no hell.
I go places all the time without telling anyone where I am going - It doesn't mean I didn't go there, nor that the place doesn't exist.

The simple fact is, hell is not mentioned in any passage of any correctly translated bible.
The real issue isn't simply that hell isn't mentioned in a correctly translated bible.
The real issue is that there is no reason to believe anything that's not in a correctly translated bible.
To complicate the issue, almost all Christians believe mainstream bible translations are perfect because they are protected by God.
Frankly, their bibles speak of eternal hell, and their leaders confirm it by teaching that sinners will be tormented there forever.
How can you prove anything to them in that environment by listing instances where hell was not mentioned.
The problem is so much bigger and more complicated than that.
I myself have started an outline for a book I hope to write myself, based on the theme, "Hell no, no hell."
But I quickly became overwhelmed by the complicated issues of doctrines that have been distorted by the concept of eternal torment.

I seems to me that your methodology of presenting every scripture or chapter or book that doesn't mention hell is like going all the way around the world the long way to go next door.  IMO, that could make for a pretty boring, ineffective book. 

No offense.