The Problem of Evil

[Beloved Servant]

So, he can tell us what to do, and not do it himself?

"Do as I say, not as I do"?

A frightening statement made by a man about his God.
He went to the cross for us, what more should He do?

[micah7:9]

No, that is not what I said, I said God creates the situation, the circumstance where the choice is there to make and depending where and who you are, one will either lie or not lie.
But if you want to get right down to the bone, then yes lies come from God for ALL THINGS come from God. But God does not nor can He lie.

[micah7:9]

So, he can tell us what to do, and not do it himself?

"Do as I say, not as I do"?

A frightening statement made by a man about his God.
He went to the cross for us, what more should He do?

Amen. I dont know where you are today my friend Lefein.

[CHB]

So, he can tell us what to do, and not do it himself?

"Do as I say, not as I do"?

If he chose to but who is there to tell God not to do something? God has changed and altered his own laws, the ones he told man not to break Jesus broke. God has no laws governing him. This "do as I say and not as I do" cannot apply to God.

CHB

[Paul Hazelwood]

Lets say God cannot lie,... although I think he could if he wanted to...I think this is another indirectly thing that God does.  What would you call this? (2Thess. 2:11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusions, that they SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE.  This is one of those indirectly acts of God.

CHB

Or someone blamed God and wrote it down and someone believed it.


And the following verse if believed through straight forward reading is in the absolute sense showing people are damned, not saved.

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[Lefein]

A frightening statement made by a man about his God.
He went to the cross for us, what more should He do?

The cross is thorough vanity if God is a liar, and a hypocrite.  In fact, if God is a liar and a hypocrite; There IS NO GOD.

Am I saying God is a liar and a hypocrite?  No, certainly not my Yahweh, however if I see a false image of God, I will proceed to question it, and if it is folly...tear-it-down.

I have seen presented ideas that when taken to their fullest application - make God into the Devil himself.

Amen. I dont know where you are today my friend Lefein.

I am now thoroughly unamused by implications of doctrines that say God is the creator of all evil.  Lies being the case example.

I am also thoroughly unamused by weird doctrines, that are unnecessary, and stretched.

[thinktank]

Since God is the big boss and no one told him not to sin or lie therefore he does not sin or lie.

Since God is not sinful flesh nor does he have to obey any laws he doesn't, or will not, sin or lie.

CHB

But God did not sin or lie, even when he came to earth in flesh and blood our likness, otherwise he would have broken the requirement of being the perfect sacrifice.

[micah7:9]

A frightening statement made by a man about his God.
He went to the cross for us, what more should He do?

The cross is thorough vanity if God is a liar, and a hypocrite.  In fact, if God is a liar and a hypocrite; There IS NO GOD.

Am I saying God is a liar and a hypocrite?  No, certainly not my Yahweh, however if I see a false image of God, I will proceed to question it, and if it is folly...tear-it-down.

I have seen presented ideas that when taken to their fullest application - make God into the Devil himself.

Amen. I dont know where you are today my friend Lefein.

I am now thoroughly unamused by implications of doctrines that say God is the creator of all evil.  Lies being the case example.

I am also thoroughly unamused by weird doctrines, that are unnecessary, and stretched.

You my friend will be battling the very Word of God and you will not win. If God is not ALL in ALL then you ar e correct in stating as you did
The cross is thorough vanity if God is a liar, and a hypocrite.  In fact, if God is a liar and a hypocrite; There IS NO GOD.

[CHB]

Lets say God cannot lie,... although I think he could if he wanted to...I think this is another indirectly thing that God does.  What would you call this? (2Thess. 2:11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusions, that they SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE.  This is one of those indirectly acts of God.

CHB

Or someone blamed God and wrote it down and someone believed it.


And the following verse if believed through straight forward reading is in the absolute sense showing people are damned, not saved.

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are you saying we shouldn't believe the Bible?

CHB

[thinktank]

God will be all in all, but that is a very long time away. If it applies now then we will have to contend with evil and temptation forever, an exausting future.

[Lefein]

You my friend will be battling the very Word of God and you will not win. If God is not ALL in ALL then you ar e correct in stating as you did
The cross is thorough vanity if God is a liar, and a hypocrite.  In fact, if God is a liar and a hypocrite; There IS NO GOD.

Again I ask; Is God the Author of Lies?

How is it battling the very word of God if I am insistent that he is not the author of lies while others claim he is the very creator of them?  Do you not know that if God is the author of lies, the creator of them, that he is the Father of Lies?

When will I get a straight answer from the assembly concerning their beliefs?

I tell you, if God is the creator, and author of lies, then there is no word of God to be trusted, and there is no God, for he ceases to be perfect, and you cannot trust an imperfect deity.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Lets say God cannot lie,... although I think he could if he wanted to...I think this is another indirectly thing that God does.  What would you call this? (2Thess. 2:11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusions, that they SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE.  This is one of those indirectly acts of God.

CHB

Or someone blamed God and wrote it down and someone believed it.


And the following verse if believed through straight forward reading is in the absolute sense showing people are damned, not saved.

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are you saying we shouldn't believe the Bible?

CHB

No I am showing that just throwing out a verse doesn't prove anything.

[thinktank]

Keep swinging the sword of truth lefein, Father GOD anoint his sword of truth, to cut between the bone and marrow the heart and spirit in the name of YAHushua.

[micah7:9]

You my friend will be battling the very Word of God and you will not win. If God is not ALL in ALL then you ar e correct in stating as you did
The cross is thorough vanity if God is a liar, and a hypocrite.  In fact, if God is a liar and a hypocrite; There IS NO GOD.

Again I ask; Is God the Author of Lies?

How is it battling the very word of God if I am insistent that he is not the author of lies while others claim he is the very creator of them?  Do you not know that if God is the author of lies, the creator of them, that he is the Father of Lies?

When will I get a straight answer from the assembly concerning their beliefs?

I tell you, if God is the creator, and author of lies, then there is no word of God to be trusted, and there is no God, for he ceases to be perfect, and you cannot trust an imperfect deity.

My friend, as for myself I will take myself out of this queery, it is edging on a subject that is off limits and you question will be difficult to explain and answer, from me without getting over the line.  Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Beloved Servant]

Keep swinging the sword of truth lefein, Father GOD anoint his sword of truth, to cut between the bone and marrow the heart and spirit in the name of YAHushua.

The Sword does not belong to lefein.

[Lefein]

My friend, as for myself I will take myself out of this queery, it is edging on a subject that is off limits and you question will be difficult to explain and answer, from me without getting over the line.  Peace and Love Through Jesus

And now we see why I am quite cross with the assembly.  -_-

I'll answer it for all of you, for all of the assembly;

Yahweh, is not, and never shall be the Father of Lies; He did not make them, he did not create them, he shall never create them, he shall never lie, nor bear false witness, nor create false witness, nor create lies.

Peace, love, and Truth! Be upon you.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: That's very true, Micah.......Lefein there is a sticky on this board about "Sovereignty". If you have not read it, you might want to. And.......one man's "weirdness" is another man's treasured manna from heaven. Blessings....

[micah7:9]

My friend, as for myself I will take myself out of this queery, it is edging on a subject that is off limits and you question will be difficult to explain and answer, from me without getting over the line.  Peace and Love Through Jesus

And now we see why I am quite cross with the assembly.  -_-

I'll answer it for all of you, for all of the assembly;

Yahweh, is not, and never shall be the Father of Lies; He did not make them, he did not create them, he shall never create them, he shall never lie, nor bear false witness, nor create false witness, nor create lies.

Peace, love, and Truth! Be upon you.

You forgot Amen!

[thinktank]

Keep swinging the sword of truth lefein, Father GOD anoint his sword of truth, to cut between the bone and marrow the heart and spirit in the name of YAHushua.

The Sword does not belong to lefein.

I thought someone might say that. The sword proceeds from the word. In revelation Christ smites the antichrist with his word, and when we speak Gods word the word proceeds from our mouth becuase we wield our mouth, but the truth comes from the anointing of Christ.

:2c:

[shawn]

lefein, keep up the questioning,  it is good to question and explore and discover, don't let anyone ever stop you.

I don't think I have seen anyone try to stop Lefein from asking questions.

[CHB]

I'll answer it for all of you, for all of the assembly;

Please count me out of the assembly you are referring to. Thanks.  :happy3:

I pray for the day when God will reveal himself to all.

CHB

[shawn]

My friend, as for myself I will take myself out of this queery, it is edging on a subject that is off limits and you question will be difficult to explain and answer, from me without getting over the line.  Peace and Love Through Jesus

And now we see why I am quite cross with the assembly.  -_-

I'll answer it for all of you, for all of the assembly;

Yahweh, is not, and never shall be the Father of Lies; He did not make them, he did not create them, he shall never create them, he shall never lie, nor bear false witness, nor create false witness, nor create lies.

Peace, love, and Truth! Be upon you.

Amen.

[shawn]

There is a difference between creating evil, when as a limitless being he didn't have to  and evil being a byproduct of a path that must happen as the nature of things and is something that God cannot change.  God can take responsibility for evil existing based on knowing that the path to perfection was set in motion by him or simply as a result of Gods existance.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[WhiteWings]

Simple question: Name one thing that's not created by God.
If man can only do evil without the help from God imo that means God (indirectly) creates/sustains evil.
All He has to do give all people on earth a Saul like experience and all evil is gone withing minutes.
But He doesn't. Why?

[Lefein]

Simple question: Name one thing that's not created by God.

Lying, and lies.  If he created these things, then he is the Father of Lies.