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[Molly]

Ok Molly, why you think the oil that flows out of the well is reddish of color?

I don't think it's oil and I don't think it's coming out of a 25,000 foot deep oil well.  Not that I know that much about oil, but I know it's black.

Exxon Valdez was carrying unrefined Alaskan crude oil and it was black.

Reddish brown sounds like the dirt in Georgia lol.  Maybe in the Gulf too--I've never been there.

Check this out--


Huge Asphalt Volcanoes Discovered Off California
Ancient eruptions created "extensive hard bottoms" for sea life to colonize.


Strange undersea domes spotted off the California coast are extinct "asphalt volcanoes" made from a mixture of hardened crude oil and marine fossils, according to a new study.

First discovered in 2007, the seven mounds sit about 700 feet (213 meters) beneath the ocean, roughly 10 miles (16 kilometers) offshore from Santa Barbara (see map).

Recent explorations using a submarine robot named Alvin have revealed that the largest dome is about as wide as two football fields laid side by side and is as tall as a six-story building. (Related: "Iceland Volcano Creates 27-Story 'Mountain.'")

The domes are made mostly of petroleum, or crude oil—essentially the same stuff used to pave highways and parking lots and the raw material for gasoline.

"If I could convert all the asphalt in the largest volcano to gasoline, it would be enough to fuel my Honda Civic for about half a billion miles," said lead study author David Valentine, an earth scientist at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

But there's little point in harvesting the asphalt mounds for fuel, he added, as "the quality of the material is very poor. ... It's not worth something like light sweet crude."

Analysis of samples taken from the mounds suggests they required several decades or even centuries to build up to their current size, and that the undersea volcanoes last erupted about 35,000 years ago.

"To me, as an oil-spill chemist, this was very exciting," study co-author Christopher Reddy, director of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, said in a statement. "I got to find out what oil looks like after ... 35,000 years."

Asphalt Eruptions Spurred Dead Zone, Oil Slick

The processes that drives asphalt volcanoes is not well understood, Valentine said. Scientists know only that such eruptions occur where natural oil and gas deposits are leaking from Earth's interior.

The team thinks the Santa Barbara asphalt volcanoes could account for a mysterious spike in ocean methane known to have occurred around 35,000 years ago.

"Methane is typically formed along with petroleum, so they are naturally associated," Valentine said. In addition, methane gas is still bubbling up in the vicinity of the asphalt mounds, even though the petroleum flow stopped long ago.

Eruptions of the California mounds might have once spewed enough methane to dramatically boost populations of methane-eating marine bacteria.

These bacteria depleted the water's oxygen, creating a giant "dead zone" in the Santa Barbara basin that was lethal to most marine life. (See "World's Largest Dead Zone Suffocating Sea.")

To make matters worse, the eruptions were also likely accompanied by enormous oil slicks on the ocean surface, as lighter petroleum molecules floated to top of the water column. (Related: "Undersea Volcano Erupts, May Form New Island.")

The asphalt domes themselves are made from heavier petroleum molecules that form when crude oil has not had enough time to "bake" in the Earth interior, Valentine said. As a result, the petroleum was more viscous than usual.

This heavier form of petroleum remained on the seafloor, congealing into swaying pillars of crude oil that gradually became polluted with microscopic creatures, sand, and other pieces of debris floating in the water.

"When we take that material and dissolve away all the oil ... about 20 percent of the mass is accumulated junk," Valentine explained. "As those things accumulated in the [petroleum], it became heavier and settled back down to the seafloor."

Over time, the successive layering of hardened asphalt created the giant mounds, which are described in the current issue of the journal Nature Geoscience.

Asphalt Domes Younger Than Thought?

Underwater asphalt mounds like those discovered off Santa Barbara are known elsewhere around the world, but they are relatively rare, Tom Lorenson, a geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey who was not involved in the study, said in an email.

Some, like ones recently discovered in the Gulf of Mexico, are even active. "I think there are [also] some in the Caspian Sea, the eastern Mediterranean Sea, and perhaps the Persian Gulf," Lorenson said.

Lorenson isn't convinced that the age estimates for the Santa Barbara mounds are correct, because their surfaces are relatively bare. The surfaces of other known mounds are heavily colonized by marine life, which suggests that the newfound domes are younger than thought.

However, it may be difficult to date asphalt mounds based on the abundance of sea life on their surfaces, because variations in petroleum composition could affect their habitability, said Ian MacDonald, a biological oceanographer at Florida State University, who also did not participate in the research.

One thing is certain: Asphalt mounds in general help create environments for marine life that might not otherwise exist.

"Processes that produce hard substrates in the deep ocean are rare. ... Generally speaking, the deep ocean is a muddy place," MacDonald said.

"I think it's really cool that there's this other process that we didn't really know about before that, at least in some places, is making pretty extensive hard bottoms for animals to colonize."

--National Geographic Daily News



Where is Alvin when we need him?  Is he working for BP now? :gangel:

All I know is, the govt and BP are running around saying, 'We don' know nothin' about birthin' babies'.   I'm not buying it.

*REPEAT*  The Russians have been drilling this deep for 4 decades.

[WhiteWings]

Ok Molly, why you think the oil that flows out of the well is reddish of color?

I don't think it's oil and I don't think it's coming out of a 25,000 foot deep oil well.  Not that I know that much about oil, but I know it's black.

Do you think the reddish color comes from something natural other than oil? Or do you think manmade stuff is injected out of view of the camera?

Exxon Valdez was carrying unrefined Alaskan crude oil and it was black.

Reddish brown sounds like the dirt in Georgia lol.  Maybe in the Gulf too--I've never been there.

So possible it sand.
Then depending on the depth it comes from the seafloor will cave in.

Where is Alvin when we need him?  Is he working for BP now? :gangel:

He's chipping of tar samples for lab research  :happy3:

All I know is, the govt and BP are running around saying, 'We don' know nothin' about birthin' babies'.   I'm not buying it

But still you are taxed for it.

*REPEAT*  The Russians have been drilling this deep for 4 decades.

On land.
BTW Russians are communists Molly  :laughing7:

[Molly]

On land.
BTW Russians are communists Molly 

Yes, on land, but the point is there is a lot of knowledge of what pressures you will find at those depths, and what equipment can or cannot control these pressures--so I do not for a moment believe that BP was just blindly drilling and then --oops--We just destroyed the world--  Sorry!  Give these people some credit for knowing what they are doing.

Do you think the reddish color comes from something natural other than oil? Or do you think manmade stuff is injected out of view of the camera?

I'm not sure but it hardly matters.  We're watching a movie--a few special effects is nothing for them.  To me, it looks like  red Georgia clay.  What does an oil volcano spew out?  I'm sure there's some oil in there but also dirt and gases.

To take the huge positions Goldman took both short and long--you have to know what is going to happen.  Once again, they are playing their hand for the whole table to read, and no one's looking.


But the biggest clue of all, as with 911, the dog didn't bark...

[WhiteWings]

Do you think the reddish color comes from something natural other than oil? Or do you think manmade stuff is injected out of view of the camera?

I'm not sure but it hardly matters.[/quote]I think it can matter a lot. Harmless red sand or manmade chemicals/poison.
I think it matter a lot.

We're watching a movie--a few special effects is nothing for them.  To me, it looks like  red Georgia clay.  What does an oil volcano spew out?  I'm sure there's some oil in there but also dirt and gases.

Dirt and gasses. Agreed. There is likely more methan than oil in that well. It was a methan bubble that cause the explosion.

To take the huge positions Goldman took both short and long--

I love butterflies  :laughing7:

But the biggest clue of all, as with 911, the dog didn't bark...

The dog is barking very loudly al over the world. But not to the thiefs.

[Molly]

I'm not sure but it hardly matters.

I think it can matter a lot. Harmless red sand or manmade chemicals/poison.
I think it matter a lot.

Yes, but it only matters in that the poison was added after the fact. 




Censored Gulf news: People bleeding internally, millions poisoned says 'EPA whistleblower'
July 21, 9:44 AM

\we have dolphins that are hemorrhaging. People who work near it are hemorrhaging internally. And that's what dispersants are supposed to do... Congressman Markey and Nadler, as well as Senator Mikulski, have been heroes... Mark Kaufman, EPA whistleblower, Democracy Now!

Poisoning millions of people


In its report, EPA Whistleblower Accuses Agency of Covering Up Effects of Dispersant in BP Oil Spill Cleanup, Democracy Now! states that "many lawmakers and advocacy groups say the Obama administration is not being candid about the lethal effects of dispersants," so Amy Goodman interviewed Hugh Kaufman, a senior policy analyst at the EPA's Office of Solid Waste and Emergency Response and a leading critic of the decision to use Corexit" who disclosed how the officials are lying about many things related to the catastrophe poisoning "millions of people." (Listen: Real Audio Strea or MP3 Download)

The rushed transcript includes Kaufman saying, "And I think the media now has to follow the money, just as they did in Watergate, and tell the American people who's getting money for poisoning the millions of people in the Gulf. (Emphasis added)


"While concerns over the impact of chemical dispersants continue to grow, Gulf Coast residents are outraged by a recent announcement that the $20 billion government-administered claim fund will subtract money cleanup workers earn by working for the cleanup effort from any future claims.

The "Vessels of Opportunity" program has employed hundreds of Gulf Coast out of work people because of the spill which Kaufman says is viewed as yest another way "to limit the number of lawsuits against BP."

"And the government—both EPA, NOAA, etc.—have been sock puppets for BP in this cover-up. (Emphasis added)

Kaufman concurs with MSNBC's report last week, that "sole purpose in the Gulf for dispersants is to keep a cover-up going for BP to try to hide the volume of oil that has been released and save them hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars of fines... not to protect the public health or environment. Quite the opposite.."

He says to follow the money, and that leads to individuals in the Obama Administration, naming Mr. Geithner, Mr. Summers with close ties to Larry Fink who owns BlackRock that owns most BP shares.

He commented on the children being poisoned:

"...you know, when you're on the sand with your children and they dig, and there's a little water?—they documented there was over 200 parts per million of oil waste in the water, and it's not noticeable to the human eye...  On top of it, the contamination in one of the samples was so high that when they put the solvent in, as a first step in identifying how much oil may be in the water, the thing blew up, just as he said, probably because there was too much Corexit in that particular sample."

When Goodman asked Kaufman to comment on the similarities between the Ground Zero of the Gulf catastrophe and what happened at Ground Zero of 911, he explained that he did the ombudsman investigation on Ground Zero, "where EPA made false statements about the safety of the air" ... since proven to be false.

Red herring: No more tests needed. Corexit known to be dangerous.


"The largest ingredient in Corexit is oil. But there are other materials. And when the ingredients are mixed with oil, the combination of Corexit or any dispersant and oil is more toxic than the oil itself. But EPA has all that information.

"That's a red herring issue being raised, that we have to somehow know more information. When you look at the label and you look at the toxicity sheets that come with it, the public knows enough to know that it's very dangerous. The National Academy of Science has done work on it. Toxicologists from Exxon that developed it have published on it.

"So, we know enough to know that it's very dangerous, and to say that we just have to know more about it is a red herring issue. We know plenty. It's very dangerous."

"[T]he media now has to follow the money, just as they did in Watergate, and tell the American people who's getting money for poisoning the millions of people in the Gulf."

No mention was made by the whistleblower about military involvement in this operation, nor that the DoD has been in bed with EPA, testing disperants on unwitting individuals and large populations for decades.

With all eyes on big bad BP, could it be the real red herring?

Photo: Democracy Now!

http://www.examiner.com/x-10438-Human-Rights-Examiner~y2010m7d21-Censored-Gulf-news-Whistleblower-EPA-hiding-gassed-people-bleeding-internally

[WhiteWings]

Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post

Some are attuned to the possibility of looming catastrophe and know how to head it off. Others are unprepared for risk and even unable to get their priorities straight when risk turns to reality.

The Dutch fall into the first group. Three days after the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico began on April 20, the Netherlands offered the U.S. government ships equipped to handle a major spill, one much larger than the BP spill that then appeared to be underway. "Our system can handle 400 cubic metres per hour," Weird Koops, the chairman of Spill Response Group Holland, told Radio Netherlands Worldwide, giving each Dutch ship more cleanup capacity than all the ships that the U.S. was then employing in the Gulf to combat the spill.

To protect against the possibility that its equipment wouldn't capture all the oil gushing from the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico,
(WhiteWings: So the system would have captured most directly from the wellhead. The other skimmers could have sucked up the oil that wasn't captured by the system. In fact I think just that one ship and nothing elese would have given a far better result as what we see right now...)

the Dutch also offered to prepare for the U.S. a contingency plan to protect Louisiana's marshlands with sand barriers. One Dutch research institute specializing in deltas, coastal areas and rivers, in fact, developed a strategy to begin building 60-mile-long sand dikes within three weeks.

The Dutch know how to handle maritime emergencies. In the event of an oil spill, The Netherlands government, which owns its own ships and high-tech skimmers, gives an oil company 12 hours to demonstrate it has the spill in hand. If the company shows signs of unpreparedness, the government dispatches its own ships at the oil company's expense. "If there's a country that's experienced with building dikes and managing water, it's the Netherlands," says Geert Visser, the Dutch consul general in Houston.

In sharp contrast to Dutch preparedness before the fact and the Dutch instinct to dive into action once an emergency becomes apparent, witness the American reaction to the Dutch offer of help. The U.S. government responded with "Thanks but no thanks," remarked Visser, despite BP's desire to bring in the Dutch equipment and despite the no-lose nature of the Dutch offer –the Dutch government offered the use of its equipment at no charge. Even after the U.S. refused, the Dutch kept their vessels on standby, hoping the Americans would come round. By May 5, the U.S. had not come round. To the contrary, the U.S. had also turned down offers of help from 12 other governments, most of them with superior expertise and equipment –unlike the U.S., Europe has robust fleets of Oil Spill Response Vessels that sail circles around their make-shift U.S. counterparts.

Why does neither the U.S. government nor U.S. energy companies have on hand the cleanup technology available in Europe? Ironically, the superior European technology runs afoul of U.S. environmental rules. The voracious Dutch vessels, for example, continuously suck up vast quantities of oily water, extract most of the oil and then spit overboard vast quantities of nearly oil-free water. Nearly oil-free isn't good enough for the U.S. regulators, who have a standard of 15 parts per million — if water isn't at least 99.9985% pure, it may not be returned to the Gulf of Mexico.
WhiteWings: So because the Dutch isn't perfect they chose not to clean at all. I don't know what the ppm of teh Dutch ships is but I think it's vastly superior to the current ppm of the water...

When ships in U.S. waters take in oil-contaminated water, they are forced to store it. As U.S. Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, the official in charge of the clean-up operation, explained in a press briefing on June 11, "We have skimmed, to date, about 18 million gallons of oily water–the oil has to be decanted from that [and] our yield is usually somewhere around 10% or 15% on that." In other words, U.S. ships have mostly been removing water from the Gulf, requiring them to make up to 10 times as many trips to storage facilities where they off-load their oil-water mixture, an approach Koops calls "crazy."

The Americans, overwhelmed by the catastrophic consequences of the BP spill, finally relented and took the Dutch up on their offer — but only partly. Because the U.S. didn't want Dutch ships working the Gulf, the U.S. airlifted the Dutch equipment to the Gulf and then retrofitted it to U.S. vessels. And rather than have experienced Dutch crews immediately operate the oil-skimming equipment, to appease labour unions the U.S. postponed the clean-up operation to allow U.S. crews to be trained.

A catastrophe that could have been averted is now playing out. With oil increasingly reaching the Gulf coast, the emergency construction of sand berns to minimize the damage is imperative. Again, the U.S. government priority is on U.S. jobs, with the Dutch asked to train American workers rather than to build the berns. According to Floris Van Hovell, a spokesman for the Dutch embassy in Washington, Dutch dredging ships could complete the berms in Louisiana twice as fast as the U.S. companies awarded the work. "Given the fact that there is so much oil on a daily basis coming in, you do not have that much time to protect the marshlands," he says, perplexed that the U.S. government could be so focussed on side issues with the entire Gulf Coast hanging in the balance.

Then again, perhaps he should not be all that perplexed at the American tolerance for turning an accident into a catastrophe. When the Exxon Valdez oil tanker accident occurred off the coast of Alaska in 1989, a Dutch team with clean-up equipment flew in to Anchorage airport to offer their help. To their amazement, they were rebuffed and told to go home with their equipment. The Exxon Valdez became the biggest oil spill disaster in U.S. history–until the BP Gulf spill.

- Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and author of The Deniers.

Read more: http://www.financialpost.com/Avertible+catastrophe/3203808/story.html#ixzz0sMX2i4bn
http://www.financialpost.com/Avertible+catastrophe/3203808/story.html
http://cdiver.net/news/avertible-catastrophe/

[Molly]

What's he saying, ww?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HA-Kx6_e3c

[WhiteWings]

What's he saying, ww?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HA-Kx6_e3c

I have to listen later Molly; I have no sound on this PC.
Maybe this Arca video is of use to you. Seems much longer and more detailed. The red CC button transcribes the audio in English subtitles.
Part A
Part B

[Cardinal]

 :sigh: It's not about oil, but about what's going on at our border, and the link is too horrible and graphic to post here. But if you want to see what's coming "our" way, go to Glenn Beck's site and look under "Current Events and Politics, Pictures of the Violence Taking Place Along Our Borders", dated 7/20.

And Obama wants to sue Arizona..... :mshock:

[WhiteWings]

Looks like the "Faces of death" series. With pictures from "This is Whitewing dove country."  :mblush:

Notice the "Z" carved on the 3 bodies. That is for "Zetas", former Mexican law enforcement operatives, that deserted en-masse to work for the Drug Cartels for much better pay, after being trained by the Mexican Government and US Law enforcement agencies on weapons and tactics (SWAT like training). They kept their government-issued weapons, of course, and the cartels also provide them with funding, explosives and automatic weapons. Predictably, Obambi sides with Pres. Calderon in blaming licensed gun-dealers in the US of arming the cartels (with automatic weapons they don't have), and pushing for a gun-free America. Now THAT's smart!

i think i might have just figured out what the writing on the glass meant and it has nothing to do with the drug and boarder war...it has to do with the gulf oil spill...i believe. but this is, from what i understand, the glass says; "Para los k Cuidar los golfas" my translation... = "For those of you who care about the Gulf" the only thing i don't get is why they would decapitate people for that reason unless theyare implying that this is where our world is going to end up if things continue as they are. but even that explination doesn't fully make sence. Its just my interpritation of it though.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Another video from the former prime minister of Canada, who mentions a remark made by Clinton about a government inside the government that he had no control over, and UFO's.....hope it comes out, it wouldn't let me copy and paste for some reason....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fu-eo2TZT4

[WhiteWings]

Former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer PLEASE SHARE! THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT VIDEOS ON THE WEB ,DOWNLOAD AND UPLOAD!

The Truth is that we live in a Pyramidal system where most of the population is in the bottom and the top always has been ran by the same group of families we have came to a point were we have to decide what kind of future we want for humanity and the planet, its up to YOU to do something about the fraudulent racist xenophobist classicist greedy pollutant system.

please investigate for your self and don't believe blindly everything you see

there are other independent groups trying to show the truth.
www.exopoltik.org
www.DisclosureProject.com
www.Oddisealink.com
www.projectcamelot.com
i have put some more interesting links in my channel

here is another video i have about the lies of the big pharmacist and the FLU HOAX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-upLYDJviII

and one of the many many many many evidences that got out from the shadow governments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-upLYD...

thanks for watching ;-)




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[Molly]

:cloud9: Another video from the former prime minister of Canada, who mentions a remark made by Clinton about a government inside the government that he had no control over, and UFO's.....hope it comes out, it wouldn't let me copy and paste for some reason....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fu-eo2TZT4

They won't tell anyone about it because it is our technology.  They keep pretending they won't disclose because the world's population is not ready to learn we are visited by little green men.  That's nonsense.  People are fascinated by UFO's.  They are all over the internet.  It's the technology they want to keep from us, not the little green men.  There are no little green men.  They don't want anyone to know about the technology they have kept hidden for 100 years because the world would change overnight.

What amazes me is that no one understands this.

[WhiteWings]

There are no little green men.

:mshock: Many people on this forum think ET is real! :angel4:

[Molly]

Rerum Novarum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24ParnNFpc

[jabcat]

Hey Card, plz double check your link...I'm getting Jimmy Kimmel live! 

[Cardinal]

 :sigh: Don't know why I can't copy and paste off youtube anymore....I typed in what shows in address bar, but now I can't get it to come up. I clicked Molly's link, watched it, noticed a black screen video to the right called "30 facts about the US", which is what this is.....see if you can get correct addy for me, will you???

[jabcat]

k

[jabcat]

Is this it?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxM92prq2UI

[micah7:9]

Take the time to listen to this very revealing 21 minute interview.

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/7/17_Matt_Simmons_files/Matt%20Simmons%207%3A17%3A2010.mp3


And Gulf Oil is NOT Fossil Fuel! It is an Abiotic – A Self Regenerating Compound!

http://usgulfoilspill.com/gulf-oil-spill-videos/gulf-oil-is-not-fossil-fuel-it-is-an-abiotic-self-regenerating-compound/

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yes, they've been hiding the truth of abiotic oil for decades. They had to keep up the illusion of shortage to justify their greed at the gas pumps..... :sigh:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yes, that's it, Jab.....thanks  :thumbsup:

In '07 I had a dream from the Lord in which I was taken to see SIX men in white business shirts and black pants, standing around something, chanting like they were praying at an altar, but when I got close enogh to see in the midst of them, it was like they were counting money into the trillions. I knew they weren't real people, but rather Him showing me a principality that He was getting ready to deal with. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.....

You combine the information from Molly's link and this one, and you see how they accomplished what they set out to do with this country already. We're just waiting for the last shoe to drop.... :mshock:

[jabcat]

Wow.  That almost leaves me speechless...

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Lord, it just hit me.....He was showing me the HEART of man (6), the love of money (self-gain) is the ROOT of ALL EVIL.....

Now the scripture about not being able to serve God and mammon  makes even more sense....

I knew it was like they were WORSHIPING, our heart was made to worship HIM, but Eve (the stony heart) fell thru the love of self gain....

[Cardinal]

Wow.  That almost leaves me speechless...

  :sigh: Me, too......if true, it's stunning......we were overthrown already, it just hasn't played out to where we realized it yet..... :mshock: