Welcome to 1984

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: We'll see....I have my doubts that the gulf problem is solved.

[WhiteWings]

Oil spil fly over: http://worthreading.ning.com/video/leaked-videos-purported-to-be?xg_source=msg_mes_network

[WhiteWings]

Hubble picture of earth after stopping the spil.

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fzjgbaauy7.jpg)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Read the posts under that link above......finally someone sees the huge multi-national corporations are what need to be dealt with and disolved.  :thumbsup:

[thinktank]

Hubble picture of earth after stopping the spil.

(http://media.nu.nl/m/m1fzjgbaauy7.jpg)

Well God did say he would bless us with oil and corn plentifull!

The problem us we must repent. It looks like God gave us our hearts desires, filled us with oil, just like he filled the israelis with Meat beyond, in the desert.

[Molly]

Other countries join Mexico in Arizona case

PHOENIX - Seven other Latin American countries want to join Mexico in going to court in the United States to support a lawsuit challenging Arizona's immigration enforcement law.

Bolivia, Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Paraguay and Peru filed separate but nearly identical motions to join Mexico's legal brief supporting the lawsuit filed by U.S. civil rights and other advocacy groups.

http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1316071

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The sheer insanity of this seems lost on a lot of these people.  :fool:

How about we just decide that we should sue Canada because they won't let our citizens come up there en masse? Wonder what their response would be?  :mrflo:  :pointlaugh:

But I forgot, our President is in agreement with foreign nationals on this subject, so it must be ok.  :omg: BAD, BAD Arizona, you've been very, very bad.  :spank:

It's an incredible legacy to leave our children and grandchildren, isn't it?  :sigh:

[Molly]

The irony is that Arizona is just saying they will enforce the federal law.

But this administration [and the last] does not want to enforce the federal law.

What easier way to bring about the North American Union, or whatever crazy new govt they have in store,  than open the borders and allow illegals to come in and have their babies who then become automatic citizens.

They are just waiting until there is no turning back.

But, Americans have allowed this for decades!  And, meanwhile, we have  also allowed the cognitive dissonance of things like the Patriot act which take away our civil liberties because God only knows who is pouring over the open borders.   Why didn't we secure our borders after 911?  Because 'they' didn't want them secured.


IMMIGRATION BY THE NUMBERS--PART ONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwsrt2tlzcU


TOP SECRET AMERICA
What started as a temporary fix in response to the 9/11 terrorist attacks has turned into a dependency that calls into question whether the federal workforce includes too many people obligated to shareholders rather than the public interest -- and whether the government is still in control of its most sensitive activities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/

[SQ]

How does Homeland Security fit in this or is it just a joke?

[Molly]

How does Homeland Security fit in this or is it just a joke?

As far as I can tell, they are just spying on us.  Maybe they are letting people pour over the borders so they will have someone interesting to spy on? :laughing7:

They are as responsible as anyone for securing our borders but it seems they won't return phone calls from the Governor of Arizona.

But they sure are getting good at strip searching little old ladies in airports with their new xray machine which if we had anything other than a brain dead population would never be allowed IMO. :sigh:

Let's see, the last plane bomber had an arab name, was from an arab country, had no passport, was flying one way,  was on a no fly list, was between the ages of 18 and 30, had been flagged by his own father--oh  and he was allowed to board the plane anyways!  [Caught by an alert passenger who smelled smoke,  though.]  But thanks to him, American women and children get strip searched.

[SQ]

Thats exactly what I thought Molly, when I left one state to come to another I applied for a new drivers license the license branch gave me a rough time, I asked them why they were giving me such a hard time after having to come back three times with another document each time, they said homeland security, heck I am practically albino I really felt harrased while the Mexicans walked in got picture snapped and had their license with a snap.
I don't get it, people in high places are turning our country over to foreigners.
Whats wrong with passports?

[SQ]

PS and applications for citizenship.

[Molly]

My goodness, it's almost as if they are acting as agents-of-a-foreign-government.  I'm shocked and surprised! :mshock:



No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

--US Constitution, Article II

[WhiteWings]

Thats exactly what I thought Molly, when I left one state to come to another I applied for a new drivers license the license branch gave me a rough time, I asked them why they were giving me such a hard time after having to come back three times with another document each time, they said homeland security, heck I am practically albino I really felt harrased while the Mexicans walked in got picture snapped and had their license with a snap.
I don't get it, people in high places are turning our country over to foreigners.
Whats wrong with passports?

Sounds very familiar.... next step is that you get degraded to second rate citizen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d65gdWR1MQM&playnext_from=TL&videos=yejR5t0gqtI&feature=recentf%20%3C
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d65gdWR1MQM&playnext_from=TL&videos=yejR5t0gqtI&feature=recentf%20%3E   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_115110&v=UjzkauSqz3Y&feature=iv

[Molly]

ww,

1) if you notice the stuff coming out of the pipe in that first video--it is a brownish red color.   Oil is not brownish red.  Yet, that is, the stuff flowing on the ocean surface is, the 'tar balls' washing up to shore are, the 'oil covered' birds are all covered with this sticky gooey mess of brownish red substance.  What is that?

2) They have shut down the first amendment, not allowing flyovers of the area, not allowing media pictures or questions of workers--why?

3)Everyone acts like BP is in the driver's seat here and it's all BP's fault that supertankers are not brought in, that skimmers are not brought in, that oil cannot be kept from the beaches and marshes, that berms cannot be built, that oil is getting plowed under on beaches and covered with trucked in sand, that toxic corexit continues to be dumped into the gulf and over land in the millions of gallons.  Who died and made BP king of the world?

4)They say that BP refuses to release the mud samples from drilling--so how do we even know how deep BP drilled or what they drilled into?  And, again, how can they refuse to release this information, just like they refuse to allow proper and independent analysis of how much oil is being released and from where?  The Russians have been drilling at these depths for 4 decades.

5)The video says that an EMP event occurred per  the witnesses, knocking out all electrical connections.  A similar event happened during 911, knocking out all cell phones all over Manhatten, as well as the first responder communications radios.  Why isn't someone investigating this?

6)Why is BP still allowed to be in charge of this disaster?

7)That hole in the top of the heliport looks very much like the holes in top of the wtc buildings that remained standing.  There are a very few pictures available of this because they didn't allow pictures or flyovers for that event, either.  In fact, one photographer had to flee to south america with his pictures and was being hunted down by homeland security last I heard.


Really, I don't think all of this can be accounted to incompetence.  In fact, it shows a high degree of competence in obfuscation of the facts and amelioration of the catastrophic fallout of this event, even while it is ongoing, by both the government and BP.  If they wanted it to get as bad as possible, they couldn't do a better job.

7) Right now, so much information is controlled and hidden, that they could do almost anything in the Gulf and say oops BP did it, and nobody would be the wiser.  If a tidal wave happened tomorrow, I would completely believe it was man-made.  As it is, I believe the whole thing is made up.  I don't know what other conclusion can be drawn given the strange behaviors of all parties involved and the total lack of concern for polluting the oceans of the world.  Hey Jude...

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Received this in an email this morning......

Governors of 35 states have already filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them.  It only takes 38 (~ of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

  Really important! Hope you all do it!
  This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on. 

An idea whose time has come
For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for  sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered...in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do  not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.  This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

Have each person contact a minimum of twenty people on their Address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that  really should be passed around.

  Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution
  "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United Statesthat does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ."

You are one of my 20.

"In God We Trust"
Please pray for the  USA .
All things are possible through the Lord.

[WhiteWings]

ww,

1) if you notice the stuff coming out of the pipe in that first video--it is a brownish red color.   Oil is not brownish red.  Yet, that is, the stuff flowing on the ocean surface is, the 'tar balls' washing up to shore are, the 'oil covered' birds are all covered with this sticky gooey mess of brownish red substance.  What is that?

Firstly I think there are various types/grade of oil. Slightly differebt color? Secondly you only see the true color of things when the light that shines on it is white. But what if the lights are not white but a bit yellowish? The water has all kind of stuff in it that acts as a filter. Compression artifacts of the movie. All those things do affect the color you see. Take a look at 0:58. A the sea floor is almost primary green. I would expect beige. So lets assume the water acts as a green filter.
When you overlay the color of oil with a green filter; what's the color you get? Is is rust-brown.
It's a also a matter of color setting on out monitors. For me the clouds look like you blow away a handfull of sanded rust.

2) They have shut down the first amendment, not allowing flyovers of the area, not allowing media pictures questions of workers--why?

Personally I think because they are Americans :winkgrin: But because you don't agree with that an alternative view. Oil is only half what's flowing out. Large quantities methane (hydrates) can cause Bermuda triangle 'events'. Plus certainly a coverup.

3)Everyone acts like BP is in the driver's seat here and it's all BP's fault that supertankers are not brought in, that skimmers are not brought in, that oil cannot be kept from the beaches and marshes, that berms cannot be built, that oil is getting plowed under on beaches and covered with trucked in sand, that toxic corexit continues to be dumped into the gulf and over land in the millions of gallons.  Who died and made BP king of the world?

Open your Book at Genesis just after eating from the tree. "But the snake said..." -> shifting blame.
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/hsc1471l.jpg)(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/msi/lowres/msin60l.jpg)

4)They say that BP refuses to release the mud samples from drilling--so how do we even know how deep BP drilled or what they drilled into?  And, again, how can they refuse to release this information, just like they refuse to allow proper and independent analysis of how much oil is being released and from where?  The Russians have been drilling at these depths for 4 decades.

Then just ask the 25% partner of BP (BP owns 75%)
Not to mention Halliburton. A big player. I'm sure the do know more than just the coordinates where they have to inject their cement.

5)The video says that an EMP event occurred per  the witnesses, knocking out all electrical connections.  A similar event happened during 911, knocking out all cell phones all over Manhatten, as well as the first responder communications radios.  Why isn't someone investigating this?

The dead know nothing? Just like the fisherman that commited suicide.

6)Why is BP still allowed to be in charge of this disaster?You know BP hired 50 guards. It seem they keep scaring away the Navy Seals...
Seriously. For me there are only two options. Obama can't handle the problem and is just shifting blame.
Or BP is the scapegoat for a lucrative operation.

7)That hole in the top of the heliport looks very much like the holes in top of the wtc buildings that remained standing.  There are a very few pictures available of this because they didn't allow pictures or flyovers for that event, either.  In fact, one photographer had to flee to south america with his pictures and was being hunted down by homeland security last I heard

I never saw those pictures. Or even heard about it. So: no comment.

Really, I don't think all of this can be accounted to incompetence.  In fact, it shows a high degree of competence in obfuscation of the facts and amelioration of the catastrophic fallout of this event, even while it is ongoing, by both the government and BP.  If they wanted it to get as bad as possible, they couldn't do a better job.

There will be change.... I'm sure this even will get it's own Patriot Act.
Monetary gain for some. Political edge for others (or the same)

7) Right now, so much information is controlled and hidden, that they could do almost anything in the Gulf and say oops BP did it, and nobody would be the wiser.  If a tidal wave happened tomorrow, I would completely believe it was man-made.  As it is, I believe the whole thing is made up.  I don't know what other conclusion can be drawn given the strange behaviors of all parties involved and the total lack of concern for polluting the oceans of the world.

BP has started looking into selling assets. My guess is that some Goldman Sachs buddies get those assets for a bargain price. The part of the company that isn't sold goes bankrupt. The clean of will be paid by Molly an Joe Plumber :winkgrin:

[WhiteWings]

The self-serving must stop. This is a good way to do that.

Do you have enough funds to hire a T800 ? :icon_jokercolor:
Legal ways only work if the legal system isn't corrupt or robbed of it's power.

[WhiteWings]

Bubble trouble #1
Bubble trouble #2

[Molly]

Bubble trouble #1
Bubble trouble #2

Phooey on that.  I rebuke these lies.  A perfect storm that just happens to wipe out all the red states and take down the American economy in one millesecond?  That's just too convenient for those who want their new world order and the population of the world reduced to 500 million.  

That goop in these videos is brownish red.  Why doesn't one of our worthy scientists test that so-called oil and tell us what is in it?  Tell us what type of oil it is and from what depths?  You think they can't do this?  What is in that goop besides toxic corexit?

Oh, but they are cleaning it up as fast as they cleaned up the world trade center debris and carting it away to secret dump sites protected by police.
And they are protecting the beaches with armed guards.

And we are supposed to believe that BP just made one idiot mistake after another that ends up wiping out the United States and probably all of Europe, too?  I don't think so.  The Russians have been drilling at these depths for 4 decades.  It's been kept secret because no one wanted us to know that oil is as plentiful as water.


This is a crime scene.  Send in the detectives!

[WhiteWings]

That goop in these videos is brownish red.

Did you read my reply to that?

 

Why doesn't one of our worthy scientists test that so-called oil and tell us what is in it?

The scientist in one of the two links said a ther is a lot of sand in the oil.

[Molly]

That goop in these videos is brownish red.

Did you read my reply to that?

Yes, you said different types of oil--whatever that means, --I've never heard of reddish brown oil  And you said lighting and camera effects--but all the oil in the video you just gave is reddish brown--on the beaches, on the birds, on the surface of the water --in all lights with different cameras.  Take a look at the exxon valdez pictures and tell me where it shows reddish brown oil.  And we have eye witness reports of the color--the sea turning blood red--remember?  Let's make it look just like the book of Revelation--the Christians will just love that.

 

Why doesn't one of our worthy scientists test that so-called oil and tell us what is in it?

The scientist in one of the two links said a ther is a lot of sand in the oil.

sand in the oil?  Man, I could tell you that.  I want to know what depths it comes from, what percentage oil it is, if it is even oil or something else altogether, etc

This whole thing stinks.  You think even Hey Jude would be laughing and dancing and singing and frolicking in Maine and eating coconut ice cream if he knew something catastrophic could happen any minute in the Gulf?  Well, maybe HE would, but there has to be someone out there who would not and would do something about it.  They are doing nothing about it.  There would be plenty of scientists standing in main street sounding the alarm.  

But, if we are led to believe that disaster could happen and then it does...well there are all sorts of man made ways to create an explosion and a tsunami and a toxic environment, and that is where I would start looking for the culprit--MAN.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I saw a video this week on youtube where they took water samples and sand samples from about 18" deep, and it was extremely toxic. The water where kids were swimming, actually exploded in the test beaker when they tried to test it.

[WhiteWings]

sand in the oil?  Man, I could tell you that.  I want to know what depths it comes from, what percentage oil it is, if it is even oil or something else altogether, etc

On the beaches could be the oil with corexit in it. Unless there are hidden injection pipes somewhere the oil that you see on the video's ia all natural without corexit. If the soil is eroding away and even the pipe and wellhead the cement is probebly already gone. So that would make what you see of natural color. (not saying pure oil)
Was the Exxon Valdez oil really crude oil? Or had it for example the sand filtered out?

This whole thing stinks.

I'm sure of that.

They are doing nothing about it.  There would be plenty of scientists standing in main street sounding the alarm.

I'm still conviced capping the well isn't that hard. But I think BP doesn't just wanst to capp the well; they also want to keep it production.

Ok Molly, why you think the oil that flows out of the well is reddish of color?

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9: I saw a video this week on youtube where they took water samples and sand samples from about 18" deep, and it was extremely toxic. The water where kids were swimming, actually exploded in the test beaker when they tried to test it.

It would be nice to know what the toxins are?
Oil? Corexit? A yet unmentioned product X?
What you see on the shores/water is just a small part of the popution. The bulk is under water and has started its  travel aroud the world because it's alreday in the ocean. Most oil never surfaces until it reache Europe.

(Molly I will take a sample for you :laughing7:)