Welcome to 1984

[Cardinal]

 :sigh: So it seems......they think so, anyway.....

[thinktank]

Perhaps the elite are trying to make bp bankrupt. Or another thought occured to put an end on Americas dependency on oil, by highlighting this disaster and making it worse, so that power is wrestled away from the oil companies and shift America to start using renewables.

[Molly]

Create enough chaos, bring enough destruction, overload all the systems, then you can take over and do what you want.  Big Brother knows best.

On the good side, many of the governors are starting to act like what they are, the heads of sovereign countries [the States].  Now if the American people would just remember who they are:  sovereign kings and priests.

I would vote for this woman for President any day of the week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzDlN7VLmXQ

[Molly]

Perhaps the elite are trying to make bp bankrupt. Or another thought occured to put an end on Americas dependency on oil, by highlighting this disaster and making it worse, so that power is wrestled away from the oil companies and shift America to start using renewables.

Renewables are 85 percent inefficient, which is why none of the developing countries want to use them.  We could end our dependency on foreign oil by drilling all the rich oil fields we have right here in our own country, and drilling in 5000 feet of ocean water is not necessary:  look for explanations of this by John Hofmeister, ex CEO of Shell Oil.  Oil is so plentiful in our own country that we could all take baths in it every night.  All they have to do is drill it. [but that would cut out the middle man, and make everyone rich--not a good idea in satan's economy.]

Or, on the other hand,  they could give us the clean, quiet, and abundant technology they have been hiding from us for 100 years.  Right now I am charging a battery using a magnetic field--how quaint!

[thinktank]

Renewables are costly to implement but in the long run cheaper, free electric. The problem is nobody will make any money. For the big bucks are made in consumable products and renewables are not consumable.

Third world countries are begining to develop renewables thanks to investors and cut out the greedy oil companies from exploiting them.

As for the oil fields in America the oil has been stagnant for they are too deep to drill in the past, only recently has new technology been invented that enables the drill to go down deeper and suck up the oil, for there is no pressure left for the oil to come gushing out. Don't ask how it works. But in my opinion why use oil to power generators, they should keep that limited oil in reserve for things like plastics and chemicals and use renewables to power generators.

[Molly]

Satan loves this type of system--everybody loses...


Biofuels Ignite Food Crisis Debate
ScienceDaily (Jan. 29, 2009) — Study highlights problems linked to converting crops into biofuels. Taking up valuable land and growing edible crops for biofuels poses a dilemma: Is it ethical to produce inefficient renewable energies at the expense of an already malnourished population?

David Pimentel and his colleagues from Cornell University in New York State highlight the problems linked to converting a variety of crops into biofuels. Not only are these renewable energies inefficient, they are also economically and environmentally costly and nowhere near as productive as projected. Their findings are published online in Springer's journal Human Ecology.

In the context of global shortages of fossil energy – oil and natural gas in particular – governments worldwide are focusing on biofuels as renewable energy alternatives. In parallel, almost 60 percent of the world's population is malnourished increasing the need for grains and other basic foods. Growing crops, including corn, sugarcane and soybean, for fuel uses water and energy resources vital for the production of food for human consumption.

Professor Pimentel and his team review the availability and use of land, water and current energy resources globally, and then look at the situation in the US specifically. They also analyze biomass resources and show that there is insufficient US biomass for both ethanol and biodiesel production to make the US oil independent.

Their paper then looks at the efficiency and costs associated with converting a range of crops into energy and shows that in each case more energy is required for this process than they actually produce as fuel. The research finds a negative energy return of 46 percent for corn ethanol, 50 percent for switchgrass, 63 percent for soybean biodiesel and 58 percent for rapeseed. Even the most promising palm oil production results in a minus 8 percent net energy return. There are also a number of environmental problems linked to converting crops for biofuels, including water pollution from fertilizers and pesticides, global warming, soil erosion and air pollution.

In the researchers' opinion, there is simply not enough land, water and energy to produce biofuels. They also argue that ironically, the US is becoming more oil-dependent, not less, as was intended through the production of biofuels. In most cases, more fossil energy is required to produce a unit of biofuel compared with the energy that it provides. As a result, the US is importing more oil and natural gas in order to make the biofuels.

The authors conclude that "Growing crops for biofuels not only ignores the need to reduce natural resource consumption, but exacerbates the problem of malnourishment worldwide by turning food grain into biofuels...Increased use of biofuels further damages the global environment and especially the world food system."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090128074830.htm

[Molly]

Lies and wishful thinking are satan's stock in trade...



In a speech in May, President Obama pushed for our nation to transition to renewable energy and pointed to Denmark as an example of proof it can be done:

" America produces less than 3 percent of our electricity through renewable sources of energy like wind and solar — less than 3 percent. In contrast, Denmark produces 20 percent of their electricity through wind."



But according to a new study from the Danish Centre for Political Studies (CEPOS), commissioned by the Institute for Energy Research, the road to increased wind power is less traveled for a reason. The study refutes the claim that Denmark generates 20 percent of its power from wind stating that its high intermittency not only leads to new challenges to balance the supply and demand of electricity, but also provides less electricity consumption than assumed. The new study says, "wind power has recently (2006) met as little as 5% of Denmark's annual electricity consumption with an average over the last five years of 9.7%." Furthermore, the wind energy Denmark exports to its northern neighbors, Sweden and Norway, does little to reduce carbon dioxide emissions because the energy it replaces is carbon neutral.



The study goes on to say that the only reason wind power exists in Denmark is "through substantial subsidies supporting the wind turbine owners. Exactly how the subsidies have been shared between land, wind turbine owners, labor, capital and its shareholders is opaque, but it is fair to assess that no Danish wind industry to speak of would exist if it had to compete on market terms."

But there's a cost involved. When government spends more money, it necessarily diverts labor, capital and materials from the private sector. Just like promises are made in the United States about green jobs creation, the heavily subsidized Danish program created 28,400 jobs. But "this does not, however, constitute the net employment effect of the wind mill subsidy. In the long run, creating additional employment in one sector through subsidies will detract labor from other sectors, resulting in no increase in net employment but only in a shift from the non-subsidized sectors to the subsidized sector."

And because these resources are being diverted away from more productive uses (in terms of value added, the energy technology underperforms compared to industrial average), "Danish GDP is approximately $270 million lower than it would have been if the wind sector work force was employed elsewhere."

The entire study is available here.

This is very similar to what we've seen in Spain. Research directed by economist Gabriel Calzada, at King Juan Carlos University, analyzed the subsidized expenditure necessary to create the green jobs in Spain. It compared those funds to the private expenditure needed to support the average conventional job. Supported by other data as well, they conclude that each subsidized green job in Spain eliminated over two conventional jobs.

And it will be very similar to what we see in the United States if we move forward with cap and trade and a renewable electricity standard that mandates a certain percentage of electricity come from wind and solar. The intent of a subsidy is to increase the production of a good or service if it is underprovided by the market for some reason. This is not the case with energy. The market, not the government-funded industries, can provide the most affordable energy for consumers. Mandates, subsidies and other preferential treatment simply benefit few at the expense of many. Denmark and Spain are learning the hard way.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/14/wind-power-an-expensive-and-inefficient-way-to-reduce-co2/

Go Green, Go Broke

[jabcat]

Based on the hot air put out in the past 2 years, couldn't we run our country on wind power right now?   :laughing7:

[thinktank]

Wind energy is one of the worst renewables though, in my opinion the design could be much improved, where the size of the thing is much smaller and requires less wind to power the generator. Look at a dynamo on a bike that can power a light very easilly, but these wind turbines operate in high wind areas and only generate a small amount of electricity. :2c:

I have an idea that can power electric and that is to use the prison population to manually power a turbine using good old fashioned muscle power. Prisoner rights and so forth means that whoever does the job will get their daily excercise and rewarded with beer and can watch tv while they spin the turbine. They'll get free beer, tv and also do their part in helping society, which they previously did harm against.

[Molly]

Wind energy is one of the worst renewables though...

What is one of the best--if there is such a thing?  

I have an idea that can power electric and that is to use the prison population to manually power a turbine using good old fashioned muscle power.

Oh my...are we going back to slaves as beasts of burden?  Why not just throw their bodies in the furnace for fuel --a modest proposal...?

Really, we are not so desperate as they make it appear.  We can drill for our own oil and build nuclear power plants while waiting for them to release the technologies for free energy that have existed for 100 years.  In fact, we should not wait any longer, but demand they release them.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Found this link again finally.....

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/94/974/Louisiana_Gov._Jindal_to_Feds:_No_Is_Not_A_Plan,_Lead_Or_Get_Out_Of_The_Way.html

[Molly]

VIDEO Anderson Cooper CNN

First Amendment Suspended in the Gulf of Mexico

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=203


(NaturalNews) As CNN is now reporting, the U.S. government has issued a new rule that would make it a felony crime for any journalist, reporter,
blogger or photographer to approach any oil cleanup operation,
equipment or vessel in the Gulf of Mexico. Anyone caught is subject to
arrest, a $40,000 fine and prosecution for a federal felony crime.

CNN reporter Anderson Cooper says, "A new law passed today, and backed by
the force of law and the threat of fines and felony charges, ... will
prevent reporters and photographers from getting anywhere close to booms
and oil-soaked wildlife just about any place we need to be. By now
you're probably familiar with cleanup crews stiff-arming the media,
private security blocking cameras, ordinary workers clamming up, some
not even saying who they're working for because they're afraid of losing
their jobs."

The rule, of course, is designed to restrict the media's access to cleanup
operations in order to keep images of oil-covered seabirds off the
nation's televisions. With this, the Gulf Coast cleanup operation has
now entered a weird Orwellian reality where the news is shaped,
censored and controlled by the government in order to prevent the public
from learning the truth about what's really happening in the Gulf.

http://expanton.ning.com/forum/topics/first-amendment-suspended-in




I tell you Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the party holds to be truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.

--Geo Orwell, 1984



Orwell was not a gifted prophetic writer.   He was a whistleblower

[Molly]

:cloud9: Found this link again finally.....

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/94/974/Louisiana_Gov._Jindal_to_Feds:_No_Is_Not_A_Plan,_Lead_Or_Get_Out_Of_The_Way.html

Jindal needs to do it himself and let the chips fall where they may.  Just like the
Gov of Arizona.   He needs to invite in international help.  Just like the Gov of Va.

I saw a video yesterday.  The oyster beds are dead.  Nice going EPA, Coast Guard,
and Obama--keep up the good work!  I'm sure you can fly in your oysters
from Vietnam, no problem.

[thinktank]

Wind energy is one of the worst renewables though...

What is one of the best--if there is such a thing?  

I have an idea that can power electric and that is to use the prison population to manually power a turbine using good old fashioned muscle power.

Oh my...are we going back to slaves as beasts of burden?  Why not just throw their bodies in the furnace for fuel --a modest proposal...?

Really, we are not so desperate as they make it appear.  We can drill for our own oil and build nuclear power plants while waiting for them to release the technologies for free energy that have existed for 100 years.  In fact, we should not wait any longer, but demand they release them.

Not going back, Forward! An idle man breeds bad things and prisoners don't do anything all day. If I was a prisoner whether guilty or innocent, I would rather power a turbine get fit and strong, than sit in my cell all day with nothing to dwell upon but the crime or lack of crime that I did. A lot of prisoners go into prison and comeback out worse than before, the idleness breeds guilt, and a spirit of destruction.
There's a big difference between 1 hour of willing excercise a day, compared to slaves who had to work all day at the crack of a whip, if the average mum can do 1 hour of lifting babies a day im sure a hardened criminal can do 1 hour of treadmill.

[WhiteWings]

Oh my...are we going back to slaves as beasts of burden?  Why not just throw their bodies in the furnace for fuel --a modest proposal...

To much water Molly. :winkgrin:

[WhiteWings]

Jindal needs to do it himself and let the chips fall where they may.  Just like the
Gov of Arizona.   He needs to invite in international help.

Seems .gov and .bp get 50000 emails (a day?) with "solutions"
Another skimmer that also works on 2.5 meter high waves is being tested soon.

[Molly]

Wind energy is one of the worst renewables though...

What is one of the best--if there is such a thing?  

I have an idea that can power electric and that is to use the prison population to manually power a turbine using good old fashioned muscle power.

Oh my...are we going back to slaves as beasts of burden?  Why not just throw their bodies in the furnace for fuel --a modest proposal...?

Really, we are not so desperate as they make it appear.  We can drill for our own oil and build nuclear power plants while waiting for them to release the technologies for free energy that have existed for 100 years.  In fact, we should not wait any longer, but demand they release them.

Not going back, Forward! An idle man breeds bad things and prisoners don't do anything all day. If I was a prisoner whether guilty or innocent, I would rather power a turbine get fit and strong, than sit in my cell all day with nothing to dwell upon but the crime or lack of crime that I did. A lot of prisoners go into prison and comeback out worse than before, the idleness breeds guilt, and a spirit of destruction.
There's a big difference between 1 hour of willing excercise a day, compared to slaves who had to work all day at the crack of a whip, if the average mum can do 1 hour of lifting babies a day im sure a hardened criminal can do 1 hour of treadmill.

I think it's an excellent idea!  We could test the program with Obama, his administration, and all those members of Congress who are so dedicated to green that they would dictate the final destruction of the American economy for it.  Michelle, too, since she is so health conscious.   What do you think?  Two hours a day on the treadmill?  That shouldn't cut too badly into their busy schedules of doing nothing in the Gulf and doing nothing at the border and doing nothing for the economy.

But, Algore--he has to atone for the footprint of two 25,000 sq foot mansions.  We need a special program for him.  What do you think, 10 hours a day?

[Molly]

Oh my...are we going back to slaves as beasts of burden?  Why not just throw their bodies in the furnace for fuel --a modest proposal...

To much water Molly. :winkgrin:

That just makes it as desirably inefficient as every other type of 'green' energy.

It's a plus!

[WhiteWings]

Only beans and onions for inmates. And a gas turbine on the roof  :eeew:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/19/toshibas-building-a-micro-nuclear-reactor-for-your-garage/

[WhiteWings]

But, Algore--he has to atone for the footprint of two 25,000 sq foot mansions.  We need a special program for him.  What do you think, 10 hours a day?

Dunno if the mistress of  All Gore agrees.  :mblush:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  What mistress? He said there were no other people involved with either of them. You mean he LIED???  :mshock: Surely not.  :winkgrin: None of our politicians lie.  :laughing7:

[thinktank]

[quote author=Molly link=topic=7025.msg98770#msg98770 date=1278779825

I think it's an excellent idea!  We could test the program with Obama, his administration, and all those members of Congress who are so dedicated to green that they would dictate the final destruction of the American economy for it.  Michelle, too, since she is so health conscious.   What do you think?  Two hours a day on the treadmill?  That shouldn't cut too badly into their busy schedules of doing nothing in the Gulf and doing nothing at the border and doing nothing for the economy.

But, Algore--he has to atone for the footprint of two 25,000 sq foot mansions.  We need a special program for him.  What do you think, 10 hours a day?
[/quote]

lol

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9:  What mistress? He said there were no other people involved with either of them. You mean he LIED???  :mshock: Surely not.  :winkgrin: None of our politicians lie.  :laughing7:

Politics => poly - tics => Many tics  :icon_jokercolor:

http://gawker.com/5564292/al-gores-rumored-mistress-larry-david-ex+wife

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yes, it's much better to be a "hairy tic", lol....

[thinktank]

:cloud9: Yes, it's much better to be a "hairy tic", lol....

I suppose a hairy tic keeps warm.