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[WhiteWings]

Wasn't that the story about David who only had a chance because he knew Big Daddy? :laughing7:

[jabcat]

Tony, what do you think of the accuracy of this report?  50/50, 90/10 likely, or some other?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Let's pray she is the "David" He has raised up to deal with some of this... :thumbsup:

[jabcat]

Gerald Celente is apparently calling the oil from the spill "the blood of the earth".  Does that "mean" anything to anybody?

[Beloved Servant]

It means something for ALL MANKIND  :HeartThrob:

[jabcat]

Thanks Dave - how do you interpret it?  What do you think it's connected to?  Specific insights/revelations? 

[Molly]

:cloud9: Let's pray she is the "David" He has raised up to deal with some of this... :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: And, pray for an army of Davids.

21And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.

--Obadiah 1

[Beloved Servant]

nothing that I haven't said before  :wink1:

[jabcat]

OK, give me a second to check your 2,026 posts.  :mrflo:  

:HeartThrob:

[Beloved Servant]

I know you can't see it but I'm laughing too.

Page 16 of this thread, reply No. 379.

[jabcat]

 :bigGrin:  Ah, I did see that post, didn't make the connection.   :thumbsup:

[Molly]

You will know them by their fruits.


Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2010
No skimmers in sight as oil floods into Mississippi waters


GULFPORT, Miss. — A morning flight over the Mississippi Sound showed long, wide ribbons of orange-colored oil for as far as the eye could see and acres of both heavy and light sheen moving into the Sound between the barrier islands. What was missing was any sign of skimming operations from Horn Island to Pass Christian.

U.S. Rep. Gene Taylor got off the flight angry.

"It's criminal what's going on out there," Taylor said minutes later. "This doesn't have to happen."

A scientist onboard, Mike Carron with the Northern Gulf Institute, said with this scenario, there will be oil on the beaches of the mainland.

"There's oil in the Sound and there was no skimming," Carron said. "No coordinated effort."

Taylor said it was a good thing he didn't have a mic in the helicopter, because he might have said some things he didn't want his children to hear.

"They're paying all these boats to run around like headless chickens," Taylor said, as reporters gathered to hear his assessment of the Sound.

There has been hope among state officials the islands would stop a lot of the oil and skimmers could take care of the passes or breaks between the islands.

Horn Island was doing its part Saturday, observers pointed out. The wiggly lines of sheen were coming straight at it from the south, headed for the island's southern beaches. The island had boom in place to protect the inlets and sensitive wetlands along its northern shore, the side that faces the mainland.

Even the Pascagoula River was doing its part.

Carron pointed out the line where the river's fresh water met the Sound's salt water near Horn Island. All along the line was the orange oil caught between the two types of water and held at bay.

But where the failure came was in the human effort.

There were dozens of boats of all sizes running around, some leaving trails through the sheen. Two boats among a group near Ship Island were pulling boom in a line, but not using it to round up oil. That was at 10 a.m.

Taylor slipped a note to a fellow passenger.

It said: "I'm having a Katrina flashback. I haven't seen this much stupidity, wasted effort, money and wasted resources, since then."

Back on land in Gulfport, Taylor let loose.

"A lot of people are getting paid to say, 'Look! There's oil' and not doing anything about it," Taylor said. "There shouldn't be a drop of oil in the Sound. There are enough boats running around.

"Nobody's in charge," Taylor said. "Everybody's in charge, so no one's in charge.

"If the president can't find anyone who can do this job," he said, "let me do it."

Taylor and U.S. Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., took the morning flight on a National Guard helicopter with representatives of the state DEQ and BP.

After the flight Wicker said he feels it's not too late for President Barack Obama to accept help from other countries that have offered the services of their large oil-skimming boats.

Wicker blamed bureaucracy and the president, but said, "Mississippi has been a champ from the beginning of this."

He also said he noticed BP has been slow to accept prevention plans from local governments.

Taylor was ready for action.

Katrina wasn't preventable, he said, but the disaster of oil reaching Mississippi beaches is preventable.

He had said earlier that if organized right, he believed a lot of small boats, working hard and working together, could contain the floating oil.

Instead, the vessels of opportunity seem to have no game plan.

There should be some light aircraft spotting for and guiding them, said Carron, who was also puzzled by the response. "I don't really understand it all."

Before he took the flight, Taylor said, he had submitted a detailed plan of action to BP and the Coast Guard commander. He was on the Coast on Saturday to see if any of it was being carried out — it addressed ways to solve the lack-of-communication issues between spotters and skimmers.

He was scheduled to go aboard a boat in the Sound to see the situation from that perspective as well.

Taylor was concerned Coast Guard Cmdr. Jason Merriweather, assigned to Mississippi, doesn't have the authority to act independently; that he reports to the Unified Command in Mobile; and that all his decision are filtered through that group.

Carron said he was just as concerned with whether there's submerged oil coming in with the orange floating bands.

And all the while the NOAA trajectories for where the oil is heading get progressively grim for Mississippi.

Saturday's briefing projected oil would be on the beaches of the barrier islands, the Chandeleurs, in Alabama and the Florida Panhandle. For Sunday the projection of beached oil showed thicker lines as the bulk of the oil body moved closer.

For Monday the projection was more of the same, except it included a red X at Bay St. Louis, meaning the forecast is oil will reach the mainland there.



Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/26/96608/no-skimmers-in-sight-as-oil-floods.html#storylink=omni_popular#ixzz0sD7Rd2Ds

[Molly]

BP turns down Shell cleanup vessel for Gulf of Mexico spill
by Ted Land

Friday, June 25, 2010

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Some people are disappointed that BP is passing up an important tool in its response to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Shell Oil's sophisticated cleanup vessel, the Nanuq, could be on its way to the gulf -- but instead it's docked in Seward, waiting for its next assignment.

Shell built the ship in 2007, and says it's one of the most advanced skimming vessels of its kind in the world.

"She's definitely the largest that we know of," said Shell Alaska's Susan Moore. "She's got 12,000 barrels of storage, which is above and beyond what most other oil spill response vessels around the world have."

With Shell's offshore drilling plans this year put on hold by the Obama administration, the Nanuq won't be needed in Alaska this year. But all it takes is a look at news headlines to find oil cleanup work.

"I saw the pictures of the wildlife in the gulf. This is terrible, and the company's going to put its full might behind providing every resource it can to stop it, clean it up and restore the gulf," said BP managing director Bob Dudley.

BP expressed interest in using the Nanuq to help clean up the Deepwater Horizon spill, and Shell says it was in the final stages of a deal which would have sent the ship south. But for some reason BP recently backed out, and Shell says it can confirm that BP no longer plans to use the ship.

"I can't tell you why BP decided to pass on the Nanuq," said Shell spokesperson Curtis Smith. "Of course it's our preference that it be working in the gulf, but it will remain available should BP reconsider."

"Me, personally, I lived in New Orleans for 15 years -- I know what the people are going through, and I absolutely would like to have the opportunity to see an asset this valuable deployed down there," Moore said.

For a company that says it needs every available resource, this is one tool BP apparently does not want.

If BP or the Coast Guard decide to use the ship, it will take 25 to 30 days to make it down to the gulf since it needs to go through the Panama Canal.

BP and the Deepwater Horizon Unified Command did not return repeated phone calls and e-mails seeking comment.

http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=12713682

[WhiteWings]

Tony, what do you think of the accuracy of this report?  50/50, 90/10 likely, or some other?

The video of that lady? Very good chance it's true.
Obama saying millions will die? I'm not sure. I think it should be read with caution. Or perhaps be removed. It doesn't fit in the "all is fine" way of handling things. And because it's an internal US affair why report it on G20?
It's not on MSM. There may be a new blackout in the US on the oil spill, it's far less in the rest of the world.
OTOH... even if Obama didn't say such a thing things look bad. Exxon Valdez did happen. Those people did die. Same stuff is used (in larger quantities) right now. Cleaning people felt sick after a day of cleaning.
There was a evacuation rumor. :dontknow: :dontknow:

Maybe the thing that proves the quote isn't real is that Alex Jones only reports "G20 summit: leaders agree to halve deficits by 2013"
Jones certainly isn't a Obama fan-boy. He surely would have written something about it....

[WhiteWings]

Gerald Celente is apparently calling the oil from the spill "the blood of the earth".  Does that "mean" anything to anybody?

1/3 of the sea shall turn into blood?

[WhiteWings]

You will know them by their fruits.


Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2010
No skimmers in sight as oil floods into Mississippi waters

Skimmers cost money. And they are cutting back on the costs, remember?
Plus if BP gets bought by Exxon then the taxpayer will pay the cleanup.

[jabcat]

Tony, what do you think of the accuracy of this report?  50/50, 90/10 likely, or some other?

Obama saying millions will die? I'm not sure.

Yeah, that one.  I'm not sure either.  It sound pretty wild, but then, we're not 20 years down the road yet, either.  :dontknow:

Quote - "1/3 of the sea will turn to blood?"

OK, yes, that's a connection to the "oil is the earth's blood".  Interesting that Celente would use that term, "earth's blood".  I need to see the Revelation reference about the sea turning to blood, what's around it, what else is happening, what's the context.  IF that's (one of) the connection(s), then that would make at least some things in Revelation futuristic/predictive, and external, wouldn't it?  Just sayin'....

[WhiteWings]

Obama saying millions will die? I'm not sure.

Yeah, that one.  I'm not sure either.  It sound pretty wild, but then, we're not 20 years down the road yet, either.  :dontknow:
[/quote]I would say don't expect it to happen the next month. But look at teh cleaning crew of the Exxon Valdez. They did die. Years after but still 25 years to early on average. Just like the US troops that return alive but get serious DU related problems. I really think the people that work on the cleaning will get health problems. But the other millions? I don't know. Depends a bit on the wind and concentration of the stuff.

Quote - "1/3 of the sea will turn to blood?"

OK, yes, that's a connection to the "oil is the earth's blood".

Read Mollies article. The reporter said the sea has an orange/red look. But that's not 1/3 of all seas.

Interesting that Celente would use that term, "earth's blood".  I need to see the Revelation reference about the sea turning to blood, what's around it, what else is happening, what's the context.  IF that's (one of) the connection(s), then that would make at least some things in Revelation futuristic/predictive, and external, wouldn't it?  Just sayin'....

We can all make up connections after the fact. Personally I would say water is earth blood.
Then the mountain cast into the sea would be the drilling rig.

[Cardinal]

 :sigh: Watching all this unfold is so unbelievable almost. I don't understand why BP is calling the shots that affect OUR country's natural resources in the first place.

Someone needs to tell them to take their toys and go home before they get hurt, and then call in the right resources and people from WHEREVER and get the job done to the extent they can right now. THEIR security forces telling ANY American what to do, is galling. If I was one of the residents in that area, I'd be hopping mad if they tried to order me off a beach or tell me to stay in my house.

Do we HAVE any real leadership in this country that hasn't been bought and paid for by the corporations? Sometimes it's hard not to go back into the flesh and stay there for awhile....
:soap: :help: :BangHead:
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[jabcat]

 Sometimes it's hard not to go back into the flesh and stay there for awhile....
:soap: :help: :BangHead:
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Isn't that the truth?   "Be angry and sin not.."?  :ticked:  But then bottom line, we gotta trust the Lord, don't we?  

Peace, not of this world... :angelharp:

[WhiteWings]

:sigh: Watching all this unfold is so unbelievable almost. I don't understand why BP is calling the shots that affect OUR country's natural resources in the first place.

I don't know how things work exactly in the oil industry; but I really doubt all those rigs just are making profits without .gov making money from it.

Someone needs to tell them to take their toys and go home before they get hurt,

What's home?
75% of the well is leased by BP. 25% by a US company. (the rig was under the flag of the Marshall Islands)
100% of the rig is US.
100% of Halliburton is US.
Plus of course there are certain contracts. It's not that BP started drilling there without anyone knowing about it.

and then call in the right resources and people from WHEREVER and get the job done to the extent they can right now. THEIR security forces telling ANY American what to do, is galling. If I was one of the residents in that area, I'd be hopping mad if they tried to order me off a beach or tell me to stay in my house.

They are just following orders from .gov.
'Do you for example think they also control the US coast guard.

Do we HAVE any real leadership in this country that hasn't been bought and paid for by the corporations?

Let answer that with a question. Do you think those who pay for election campaigns do so for charity?

[jabcat]

Interpretation - the thing stinks to high heaven. 

[Molly]

fas·cism (fash′iz′əm)

noun


a system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism, etc.

I don't understand why BP is calling the shots that affect OUR country's natural resources in the first place.

Ans.  They aren't.


Look at this passage again.  The wickedness was there all along, it just becomes 'revealed' at some point.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

--2 Thess 2

[Beloved Servant]

FIRST comes the spiritual; then the natural

[WhiteWings]

a system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism, etc.

I'm not so sure .gov is controling Big Corp...