soul and spirit

[micah7:9]

I am in need of some defining. I understand the soul dies, and the spirit returns to the God who gave it.
From Gen. 2:7 I take it that man became a living soul, yet in Gen.1:20,24, 30 there is living. A soul is, I understand is a breathing creature. Like there were 18 souls saved from the burning building. O I also can understand that blesses my soul. But soul is not my spirit. 
Do animals have souls? 
Spirit is God,  and of God, so is the breath of life. Is there a difference, if so what may it be?
And Lev. 26: 11 says God has a soul?
I know many questions. Thanks in advance for any help to unweave my web.
Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Beloved Servant]

Is Jesus Christ not the soul of God?

[Dallas]

Is Jesus Christ not the soul of God?

Colossians 2:9 "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"

Jesus was the embodiment of God, in the physical body sense...


The soul, as was understood in a Hebrew sense was the mind/emotions and desire of a person. The spirit of a person is that which has the energy/drive/unction to accomplish and sustain life.

Thusly a person is soul, body and spirit. That's also a big part of the trinity idea...the mind and will of God is within the father Character (in the garden of gethsemane Jesus says, not my will be done but yours), The spirit of God is motion/movement of God's will, and of course Jesus the body of God.

[Molly]

John 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,...



1 John 3:16

16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: ...




"life"

G5590
ψυχή
psuchē
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.




We know love by this, that He laid down His soul for us; and we ought to lay down our souls for the brethren. (1 John 3:16).

[Nathan]

I am in need of some defining. I understand the soul dies, and the spirit returns to the God who gave it.
From Gen. 2:7 I take it that man became a living soul, yet in Gen.1:20,24, 30 there is living. A soul is, I understand is a breathing creature. Like there were 18 souls saved from the burning building. O I also can understand that blesses my soul. But soul is not my spirit. 
Do animals have souls? 
Spirit is God,  and of God, so is the breath of life. Is there a difference, if so what may it be?
And Lev. 26: 11 says God has a soul?
I know many questions. Thanks in advance for any help to unweave my web.
Peace and Love Through Jesus

I'm not sure where you heard the soul dies . . . I guess one would have to first define what "death" meant to them, for me, it's to separate, which in this case, at our physical death, there is a separation, but I believe my soul continues to exist, just not on this body of flesh.  I believe my soul is in connection with my spirit in that my soul is what gives my spirit it's personality.  The traditional understanding of what your soul is, is your mind, will and emotion, for me, that's also the definition of what my personality is.

As far as where our spirit goes after we physically die, I do believe you're pulling this from the following passage . . .

Eccl.12:  7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I also believe animals do have personalities.  Are there animals in heaven?  That's usually the next question that one leads to.  And for me, considering the fact that when there was a revelation of a cherubim or seraphim that these creatures were actually a combination of our known animals, I would have to say that there are at least some sort of animal representation in the spirit realm.  There was the ox, lion, eagle and man that made up the identity of these mystical beings.  If this was in the spirit, then I'd have to say, the animals we see here on earth are actually replicas of what's in the spirit realm.

Just a thought.

[WhiteWings]

I am in need of some defining. I understand the soul dies, and the spirit returns to the God who gave it.
From Gen. 2:7 I take it that man became a living soul, yet in Gen.1:20,24, 30 there is living. A soul is, I understand is a breathing creature. Like there were 18 souls saved from the burning building. O I also can understand that blesses my soul. But soul is not my spirit. 
Do animals have souls? 
Spirit is God,  and of God, so is the breath of life. Is there a difference, if so what may it be?
And Lev. 26: 11 says God has a soul?

The way I understand it from Jewish scholars is that man has an animal spirit and a human spirit.

http://www.experiencefestival.com/nephesh => animal soul

Nephesh (Hebrew, Jewish). Breath of life. Anima, Mens, Vita, Appetites. This term is used very loosely in the Bible. It generally means prana "life"; in the Kabbalah it is the animal passions and the animal Soul.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/448

http://www.angelfire.com/oh/turkishangora/gate/nephesh.html

[chuckt]

i thought the soul is the person, the being, we are a soul not that we have a soul.

we are a soul that has a spirit.

it is also my belief that only adam had the breath of life breathed into him.

:2c:

[WhiteWings]

Animals are alive too. So I would guess they have teh breath of life too.
If not it would mean not all life comes from God.

[Molly]

11And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

12And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

--Lev 26




Isaiah 42:1

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.



21And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
--Mat 12

[Nathan]

i thought the soul is the person, the being, we are a soul not that we have a soul.

we are a soul that has a spirit.

it is also my belief that only adam had the breath of life breathed into him.

:2c:

Because this scenerio would contrast the original order of things established in Genesis, at least for me anyway, in that spirit is above flesh, I'm not as inclined to agree that I "am" a soul that "has" a spirit as much as I would choose to understand that I "am" a spirit that has a soul.  Spirit has authority over the soul.  It's the soul that can be deceived.  It's the spirit that's to "take captive" the thoughts of the mind. 

"I" am the combination of these three elements in spirit, soul, and body.  As I operate in this realm, none of these three can be separated from each other.  The question is, which part of "me" is to be the dominant part?  The soul?, The body/flesh?  Or the Spirit?  The realm I choose to walk/live in is what becomes my identity in "who" I am.

Great thread though.

[Beloved Servant]

...and the Bridegroom cometh.

[rosered]

  we want to know and ask the same questions  seeking God
and His face
 
my simple answer
  the soul of man is his life   Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 


Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
and the Spirit  of God 


Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

there is little difference between the two  words , except in the way its  expressed ..

[Molly]

As I operate in this realm, none of these three can be separated from each other.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[chuckt]

i thought the soul is the person, the being, we are a soul not that we have a soul.

we are a soul that has a spirit.

it is also my belief that only adam had the breath of life breathed into him.

:2c:

Because this scenerio would contrast the original order of things established in Genesis, at least for me anyway, in that spirit is above flesh, I'm not as inclined to agree that I "am" a soul that "has" a spirit as much as I would choose to understand that I "am" a spirit that has a soul.  Spirit has authority over the soul.  It's the soul that can be deceived.  It's the spirit that's to "take captive" the thoughts of the mind.  

"I" am the combination of these three elements in spirit, soul, and body.  As I operate in this realm, none of these three can be separated from each other.  The question is, which part of "me" is to be the dominant part?  The soul?, The body/flesh?  Or the Spirit?  The realm I choose to walk/live in is what becomes my identity in "who" I am.

Great thread though.

its the soul that has to put on immortality, and this is done by the spirit of God.

dosent matter what body you are in you are still you bound to the limitations of whatever body.

you (( soul )) are in a flesh body, and YOU ((soul )) must walk in the spirit and not the flesh.

the spirit of christ is that which enables you (( soul )) to live unto God.

seems its the soul that is either earthly minded or heavenly minded at this time.

seems to me the the soul and flesh body are in close knit. and only Spirit can fix the problem....

chuck

[chuckt]

44 It is sown a soulish body; it is roused a spiritual body.
45 If there is a soulish body, there is a spiritual also. Thus it is written also, The first man, Adam, "became a living soul:" the last Adam a vivifying Spirit.
46 But not first the spiritual, but the soulish, thereupon the spiritual.
47 The first man was out of the earth, soilish; the second Man is the Lord out of heaven.
48 Such as the soilish one is, such are those also who are soilish, and such as the Celestial One, such are those also who are celestials.
49 And according as we wear the image of the soilish, we should be wearing the image also of the Celestial.
50 Now this I am averring, brethren, that flesh and blood is not able to enjoy an allotment in the kingdom of God, neither is corruption enjoying the allotment of incorruption.

[Molly]

45 If there is a soulish body, there is a spiritual also. Thus it is written also, The first man, Adam, "became a living soul:" the last Adam a vivifying Spirit.

[living] "soul"

G5590
ψυχή
psuchē
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.




[lifegiving] "spirit"

G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

[chuckt]

yup, i personally like the hebrew words for soul and spirit...

peace
chuckt

[micah7:9]

Im inclined to go along with chuckt, from what I have been given to understand in Gen. 2:7 "man became a living soul." That means to me that "man" would be the first person, body, human, of the count to date, of how man milliions of "souls" have been. The word "soul"  as time pasted, become a kind of chameleon, taking on many meanings. I believe souls have personaities and that when that resurrection comes that personality good or bad is what is important. But should I believe we shouls stay with how the word was used first...a soul being a person or a body that is breathing.

[Molly]

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

--Gen 2


"the breath"

H5397
נשׁמה
neshâmâh
nesh-aw-maw'
From H5395; a puff, that is, wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal: - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.


"of life"

H2416
חי
chay
khah'ee
From H2421; alive; hence raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively: -  + age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life (-time), live (-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.


"man"
H120
אדם
'âdâm
aw-dawm'
From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.


"became"

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.


"a living"

H2416
חי
chay
khah'ee
From H2421; alive; hence raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively: -  + age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life (-time), live (-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.


"soul"

H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.




Why does it say adam became a living soul instead of just adam became a soul?

[Nathan]

Hmmm . . .both man and animals were made out of the same mold.  God formed both out of the earth.  Only Eve was created from man.  If my soul "is" my spirit, or if my soul is the predominant part of "me". . .where does the "old man" that must die in order for "me" to receive life fit in this?  What is my "old man"?

[Molly]

Hmmm . . .both man and animals were made out of the same mold.  God formed both out of the earth.  Only Eve was created from man.  If my soul "is" my spirit, or if my soul is the predominant part of "me". . .where does the "old man" that must die in order for "me" to receive life fit in this?  What is my "old man"?

Indeed!

[micah7:9]

That is a question isnt it, "why was man called and living soul and not just a soul."

[chuckt]

Hmmm . . .both man and animals were made out of the same mold.  God formed both out of the earth.  Only Eve was created from man.  If my soul "is" my spirit, or if my soul is the predominant part of "me". . .where does the "old man" that must die in order for "me" to receive life fit in this?  What is my "old man"?

Hi N.

for me i dont think the soul snd spirit is the same thing.

i think the oldman is the soul that is of the earth, earthly/worldly minded carnalminded, and it is Christ Jesus who ""vivifies"" the soul to God.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


for me the ""MIND"" is the same as soul..YOU....

thus not only is our mind/soul ""vivified"" unto God, but we must continue to be renewed in the mind/soul.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


this really is a good thread no matter what.....


peace friends!

chuckt

[micah7:9]

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I would seem to me that this verse has much more in it than a continual quoting of it!

[chuckt]

That is a question isnt it, "why was man called and living soul and not just a soul."

because he had not yet sinned, the soul that sins shall die!

all souls belong to God

all persons belong to God.

chuckt