Welcome to 1984

[Molly]

Molly,

You didn't bother to transcribe the entire article, and one wonders whether you bothered reading the whole article...

"But Dr Wolfgang Knorr cautioned that the world should still be trying to reduce carbon dioxide emissions as part of any climate change deal decided in Copenhagen next month.

He pointed out that the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is still increasing, even though half is absorbed by the Earth. Also there are fears that the oceans and soil become saturated and are unable to absorb any more CO2 in the future.

"Like all studies of this kind, there are uncertainties in the data, so rather than relying on Nature to provide a free service, soaking up our waste carbon, we need to ascertain why the proportion being absorbed has not changed," he said. "

What is this saying?  It's saying that Copenhagen will be still trying to write its economic suicide note in December.  It says that there are still fears [doesn't say they are founded on anything since the earth has been doing just fine for the last 180 years with CO2 emissions].  He wants to do further research to see why the earth is so beautifully self regulating.

But, you're welcome to think that this adds anything to the core study.  The point is THE MODELS BEING USED BY GLOBAL WARMING PROPONENTS ARE BEING CONSISTENTLY SHOWN TO BE WRONG [when compared with REAL data].

[Molly]

Why the IPCC Global Warming Models are wrong.  Look at the real data.   God is good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos49g1sdzo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFk0zTW-ik&feature=related

[WhiteWings]

Hi Raggedy Anne,
I don't understand your answer(s)

"But Dr Wolfgang Knorr cautioned that the world should still be trying to reduce carbon dioxide emissions as part of any climate change deal decided in Copenhagen next month.

That deal isn't necessarily based on solid evidence. And IMO at least for a part pure politics.

He pointed out that the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is still increasing, even though half is absorbed by the Earth. Also there are fears that the oceans and soil become saturated and are unable to absorb any more CO2 in the future.

But is that what is debated? Most climate Al Gore critics don't deny that as we speak the climate is changing. It always behaved in a cyclic manner. The Al Gore scientists agree with that. Earth was far warmer a few centuries ago. Also agreed by the Al Gore scientists. The argument is that Al Gore thinks things are (much) different now. Usage of fossile fuels accerates the change. Major proof for that was hockey stick model. And the arbon emission-tempature relation. Both are debunked and admitted by Al Gore's scientists.
So the argument is not if the climate changes but; but if it's manmade and/or can be reverted/stopped/etc by man

"Like all studies of this kind, there are uncertainties in the data, so rather than relying on Nature to provide a free service, soaking up our waste carbon, we need to ascertain why the proportion being absorbed has not changed," he said. "[/i]

Fair. But Anne wouldn't it be fair Al Gore mentioned similar words of caution?

[Molly]

And IMO at least for a part pure politics.

These scientists are being terrorized by the politicians, or, as Obama puts it, marginalized.  Their data is showing algore inc to be full of hot air but I see many of them afraid of alienating their funding with the truth.

Not that there is anything new about this--it has been going on for at least the last 100 years.

This is what happens when science becomes a political agenda instead of a search for truth.

And, by the way, I'm all in favor of not destroying the environment, I just don't want some fascist bureaucrat forcing their way into my home to tell me what lightbulbs to use [as an example].  [Their new lightbulbs don't work, either.lol]  Nor do I want to have to pay a bogus 10 billion dollar 'climate debt' so the IMF can continue to play footsies with the world.  You want to know who is cutting down the rainforests?  Look to the IMF and their corporate buddies.  Don't look to me and my few measly lightbulbs.

[Raggedy Anne]

Molly,

The Earth is self renewing no matter what we do to it?  I suppose using nuclear weapons won't hurt the environment either.  We can just do whatever we like because God will always renew the earth no matter how much we trash it?  That is absolutely ludicrous.  In fact, the earth is dying........
To pretend like we have no environmental crises is simply ignoring that which is evident all around the globe.  You keep mentioning Al Gore.  I've never suggested that he or Obama or any of these people can 'Save the Earth' - but just because they feel inclined to try to deal with the environmental devastation that is affecting the lives of people around the globe seems noble to me whether or not they succeed.  I don't see their desire as some evil intention to take over the earth.  The environmentalists I know and have listened to are in mourning over the devastation of the earth's condition.  Why you would despise people who feel that way is beyond my understanding.

Insects, Birds And Fish Dying In The Millions
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/122


Isaiah 24 - Judgment on the Whole Earth

1Behold, the LORD will empty the earth and make it desolate,
   and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest;
   as with the slave, so with his master;
   as with the maid, so with her mistress;
as with the buyer, so with the seller;
   as with the lender, so with the borrower;
   as with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3 The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered;
    for the LORD has spoken this word.

4 The earth mourns and withers;
   the world languishes and withers;
   the highest people of the earth languish.
5The earth lies defiled
   under its inhabitants;
for they have transgressed the laws,
   violated the statutes,
   broken the everlasting covenant.
6Therefore a curse devours the earth,
   and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt;
therefore the inhabitants of the earth are scorched,
   and few men are left.
7 The wine mourns,
   the vine languishes,
   all the merry-hearted sigh.
8 The mirth of the tambourines is stilled,
   the noise of the jubilant has ceased,
   the mirth of the lyre is stilled.
9No more do they drink wine(N) with singing;
   strong drink is bitter to those who drink it.
10 The wasted city is broken down;
    every house is shut up so that none can enter.
11 There is an outcry in the streets for lack of wine;
   all joy has grown dark;
   the gladness of the earth is banished.
12Desolation is left in the city;
   the gates are battered into ruins.
13For thus it shall be in the midst of the earth
   among the nations,
as when an olive tree is beaten,
   as at the gleaning when the grape harvest is done.

14They lift up their voices, they sing for joy;
   over the majesty of the LORD they shout from the west.
15 Therefore in the east[c] give glory to the LORD;
   in the coastlands of the sea, give glory to the name of the LORD, the God of Israel.
16 From the ends of the earth we hear songs of praise,
   of glory to the Righteous One.
But I say, "I waste away,
   I waste away. Woe is me!
For the traitors have betrayed,
   with betrayal the traitors have betrayed."

17 Terror and the pit and the snare[d]
   are upon you, O inhabitant of the earth!
18 He who flees at the sound of the terror
   shall fall into the pit,
and he who climbs out of the pit
   shall be caught in the snare.
For the windows of heaven are opened,
   and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19The earth is utterly broken,
   the earth is split apart,
   the earth is violently shaken.
20The earth staggers like a drunken man;
   it sways like a hut;
its transgression lies heavy upon it,
   and it falls, and will not rise again.

21On that day the LORD will punish
   the host of heaven, in heaven,
   and the kings of the earth, on the earth.
22 They will be gathered together
   as prisoners in a pit;
they will be shut up in a prison,
   and after many days(AF) they will be punished.
23 Then the moon will be confounded
   and the sun ashamed,
for the LORD of hosts reigns
   on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem,
and his glory will be before his elders.
_______________________________________________

Also Consider:

The Destruction of
the World in Prophecy

By Ernest L. Martin, Ph.D., 1993
http://www.askelm.com/prophecy/p930101.htm
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[Molly]

The Earth is self renewing no matter what we do to it?

I never said 'no matter what we do to it.'   I'm just amazed at the earth's ability to self regulate in the face of what we've already done to it.  The IPCC model is wrong.  There is no greenhouse effect.  The hotter the earth becomes [from sunlight, not CO2 which has negligible effect on temperature] the more it radiates heat to cool itself down.  You think I advocate the use of nuclear weapons?  I advocate the use of good science.

In fact, the earth is dying........
To pretend like we have no environmental crises is simply ignoring that which is evident all around the globe.

The earth is 'dying'?  Isn't that a bit extreme? Could you prove that statement? Did the earth die when all the dinosaurs went extinct?  Did the earth die when homoerectus went extinct?  or neanderthal?  Or the great wooly mammouth?

There is a way to respect the earth without draconian legislation that makes human life miserable.  I am specifically against the Copenhagen treaty and cap and trade because I do not see where those efforts will solve the problem, but they will turn us into a third world country, and harm our national sovereignty and our Constitution, IMO.  Show me something that will solve the problem, if there is a problem, and I will support it.  But don't make up alarmist theories about a made-up problem to promote a radical political agenda.

From your article:
In Texas, officials are also working on the toxic poisoning theory. Adolfo Valadez, medical director for Austin and Travis County Health and Human Services, said it might be weeks before any conclusive results were known.

Such was the concern that the birds suffered deliberate toxic poisoning that several streets were closed in Austin while police and fire crews checked the area for any substance that might be of harm to humans.

"This was a precautionary measure. We certainly take these kinds of thing seriously, especially following 9/11," said Mr Valadez. "It may be a matter of time before we know what happened and why it happened. There is no threat to public health."

[Molly]

Anne do you believe this?  From your link--


"It may come as a surprise to some people but the Holy Scriptures describe a time associated with the Second Advent of Christ that any modern day scientist would attest is a classic description of an asteroid or comet of a moderate size (say a mile or so in diameter) hitting the earth. After mentioning that the mercantile system on earth that provides wealth and prosperity is to be destroyed (read all of Isaiah 23 along with the future prophecies in the Book of Revelation about the same thing -- Revelation 18:11-17), the prophet Isaiah continued his description of "Doomsday" by his prophecy recorded in all of Isaiah chapter 24. You should read that chapter and pay attention to every word. It shows, without the slightest doubt, the complete and utter destruction of world civilization. The world will return to a barbaric state with only a few men left over the entirety of the earth, and the wide devastation will last for 70 years (Isaiah 23:17,18).

Thus, the first 70 years of the Millennium (after Christ comes back to earth with his judgments) will witness the earth in a very devastated state. All civilization as we know it today (or as we have known it for the past 4000 years) will come to a sudden halt. The first 70 years of the Millennium (while the resurrected saints of God are in heaven learning how to adapt to their new spiritual bodies and the new spiritual environment that they find themselves a part of) will witness a time when the few humans left on earth will be struggling even to exist in a wild and uncivilized state in an almost empty earth.

But at the end of those first 70 years of the Millennium, God will cause the earth to begin to regain its civilization once again. Trade and merchandising will re-emerge to their former status (Isaiah 23:17,18), and a glorious time for the earth will once again develop that will last for 930 years (until the end of the Millennium). It is interesting that these 930 years the earth will be in a glorious and wonderful state will last precisely the length of time that Adam lived on earth (Genesis 5:5)."


You know, really, if God expects me to sit around in heaven while most of the world's population is destroyed, I withdraw my application for sainthood.  This is as bad as ET.

[noname]

You keep mentioning Al Gore.  I've never suggested that he or Obama or any of these people can 'Save the Earth' - but just because they feel inclined to try to deal with the environmental devastation that is affecting the lives of people around the globe seems noble to me whether or not they succeed. 

my problem with the whole global warming thing is that it is true to an extent, but the source of this is being lied about...

humans are NOT the major source of global warming...the biggest influence on earth's temperature is caused by:
1) sunspots (ie extra-ordinary explosions on the sun causing increased gamma rays hitting our biosphere and subsequently heating up the earth) - currently their is a lull of sunspots, i'm sure you guys have felt the cold the last fe winters to be more severe, not the heat to be more extreme
2) volcanic eruptions are causing and have caused major fluctiations in the earth's temperatrure (just check the data gathered from ice layers in antarctica),
3) sea currents rise and fall taking the colder water to the bottom of the oceans and the hotter water rises to the top, adding to earth's mean temperature

the problem with Gore et al is that they'd like to make a buck out of this natural phenomenon...taxing companies and individuals to pay for what has been naturally occurring on the earth for millenia...it seems that their greed knows no end

[Molly]

the problem with Gore et al is that they'd like to make a buck out of this natural phenomenon...taxing companies and individuals to pay for what has been naturally occurring on the earth for millenia...it seems that their greed knows no end

It's worse than that.  They are using this lie to set up their world government.  The Copenhagen treaty [which they want Obama to sign this December] has the word 'government' in it.

I heard he's not going to Copenhagen in December.  I hope that is true.

[WhiteWings]

Some emails leaked to the internet. It's aready called "ClimateGate"

120MB of e-mails and models.

Compilation of the above

http://www.climatedepot.com/
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/index.php
Climategate: The Final Nail in the Coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?
Do hacked e-mails show global-warming fraud?
Beware The Ice Age Cometh: Hackers Prove Global Warming Is A Scam

[Molly]

Scientists manipulating data, bullying Journal editors,  and stifling their colleagues who disagree with them?  I'm shocked and surprised! :mshock:

This scandal is proof of something that has been obvious for a long time--science has become a religion in the last century, complete with high priests and Inquisitors.  I give my most humble thanks to those scientists who are still telling the truth, despite the consequences to themselves, and an intellectual climate that makes dissent dangerous.  They are modern hero's.





Pay No Attention to the Climate Scientists behind the Curtain

In case you hadn't noticed, the esoteric deliberations of the Anthropogenic Global Warming Orthodoxy were exposed for all the world to see when someone hacked into the computers at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Center. Now this hacking was an invasion of privacy and probably illegal, so I deplore it. But that doesn't mean I can ignore it now that it's public!

That there has been a change among the MSM of late is very interesting. Both the Washington Post and the New York Times report the story, more or less honestly. Could it be the influence of Fox News? Better get it out, before Glen Beck goes postal.

These emails tell us what prominent scientists who are campaigning to stop anthropogenic global warming (AGW) are saying to each other in private. In one juicy tidbit, a climate researcher describes how he intentionally distorts the data to hide the recent decline in global temperatures.

In other released messages, global warming alarmists discuss how they can bring pressure on peer-reviewed journals and IPCC (International Panel on Climate Change) to suppress any papers or reports that contradict the orthodoxy. From the WaPo:

In one e-mail, the center's director, Phil Jones, writes Pennsylvania State University's Michael E. Mann and questions whether the work of academics that question the link between human activities and global warming deserve to make it into the prestigious IPCC report, which represents the global consensus view on climate science.

"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report," Jones writes. "Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

Well, that's a solution to peer-reviewed research that contradicts the orthodox view: redefine "peer-review literature" so that it excludes certain inconvenient findings.

In another, Jones and Mann discuss how they can pressure an academic journal not to accept the work of climate skeptics with whom they disagree. "Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal," Mann writes.

"I will be emailing the journal to tell them I'm having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor," Jones replies.

This is not science. It is an established church conducting an inquisition. Many legitimate and credentialed researchers who are skeptical of AGW have complained of brutish campaigns to marginalize and exclude them. Their complaints are now confirmed beyond reasonable doubt.

Powerline today points out something even more interesting: global warming activists acknowledging to one another that they don't know at all what the climate is doing. Industrial activity in China and elsewhere emits green house gases like carbon dioxide. But it also admits other substances, some of which have the opposite effect of green house gases, and promote cooler temperatures. How does it balance out?

Sulphur dioxide, like carbon dioxide, is emitted as a result of industrial activity. Unlike carbon dioxide, it is actually a pollutant. But whereas carbon dioxide tends to warm, sulphur dioxide tends to cool, and MacCracken suggests that SO2 emissions from China and India may well be offsetting the temperature impact of CO2. The net effect of human activity, therefore, may be much closer to neutral than the alarmists have been claiming.

That's Powerline's summary of a long quote from the emails. These are the scientists at the very center of the global warming orthodoxy, and they don't know whether their own climate models are any good or not. Are we really going to suppress economic activity all over the globe, at a moment when the world is experiencing a grave economic downturn, over such as this?

I have loved science since I was ten years old. Science always faces serious threats from people who don't want to know that the world isn't what they think it is. It is clear which side of that divide the global warming alarmists are on.

http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/south_dakota_politics/2009/11/pay-no-attention-to-the-climate-scientists-behind-the-curtain.html

[WhiteWings]

(http://i50.tinypic.com/301j8kh.jpg)

Click here for a simple written article that shows what exactly both side argue about.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Just a simple question; if it's all bogus, then why are massive sheets of icebergs, miles in diameter, breaking off and floating out into the oceans? It's been in the news for quite a while now, with another article just this week about over a hundred of them approaching New Zealand's southern shores. Blessings....

[natcat86]

I dont see how the planet will self- correct, like the human body doesnt correct its self if you pollute it with burgers and fags and booze it just gets more and more unhealthy. Just like body pollution is caused by greed so is the pollution of the planet. People wanting to use up natural resources as quickly as possible to make the most money, there are consequences and unfortunately its our children who will suffer  :sigh:

The 1984 element is that people are fed so many lies on both sides of the aisle by puppets that they are at war with each other over it and no one is watching the puppet master!

[natcat86]

fags = cigerettes!!!!

[Molly]

:cloud9: Just a simple question; if it's all bogus, then why are massive sheets of icebergs, miles in diameter, breaking off and floating out into the oceans? It's been in the news for quite a while now, with another article just this week about over a hundred of them approaching New Zealand's southern shores. Blessings....

Hi Cardinal--

Not sure what you mean?  The icebergs around New Zealand are evidence of cooling not warming.  Normally they would melt before they ever get there.  I've been to New Zealand.  They actually have glaciers on the land mass of New Zealand.  I visited one.



23 Nov 09 - More than 100, possibly hundreds, of Antarctic icebergs are floating toward New Zealand, prompting a maritime alert to ships in the south Pacific Ocean.

The alert comes three years after cold weather and favorable ocean currents brought dozens of icebergs to within 25 km (15.5 miles) of New Zealand's southern coast for the first time since 1931.

"Measuring up to 200 meters (650 feet) across and 30 yards (meters) tall, the icebergs are part of a "flotilla" of icebergs that can be seen on satellite images, said Australian glaciologist Neal Young.

"It is rare for whole icebergs to drift so far north before melting," said this article on Yahoo, "but a cold snap around southern New Zealand and favorable ocean currents have again combined to push the towering visitors to the region intact."

"Icebergs are formed as the ice shelf develops. Snow falls on the ice sheet and forms more ice, which flows to the edges of the floating ice shelves. Eventually, pieces around the edge break off."

Young said that having the icebergs end up near New Zealand is not necessarily linked to global warming ... and then went on to link them to global warming.

         I wonder if the 1931 icebergs were also a result of global warming?
         And if New Zealand becomes entirely surrounded by icebergs, will
         that be even more proof of global warming? How about if all of New
         Zealand's glaciers should double in size? More proof?

See entire articles:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091124/ap_on_re_as/as_new_zealand_icebergs

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091123/ts_afp/australianzealandantarcticaclimateiceberg

Thanks to Dan Govier in the UK and Brad at WCCO for these links

http://www.iceagenow.com/Hundreds_of_icebergs_drifting_toward_New_Zealand.htm

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9: Just a simple question; if it's all bogus, then why are massive sheets of icebergs, miles in diameter, breaking off and floating out into the oceans? It's been in the news for quite a while now, with another article just this week about over a hundred of them approaching New Zealand's southern shores. Blessings....

You are possibly mixing up a few things Cardinal.
First of all "anti-Gore" scientists are not saying there is no climate change.
They say it's a natural climate cycle that happend even when there was no industry at all (and very few or no humans) So even if the temp rises 10 degrees a year; are we or 'nature' to blame?

Yes ice sheets are breaking of. But elsewhere it's getting colder. The sahara desert is shrinking because more rain.
And much more. With 5000 scientists there can be different views. Nothing wrong with that. Overall that improves science. But if you read the articles it's not science anymore. Just lies and pick and choose. Propaganda to support carbon tax.
Just like ETs answering everyting with a out of context verse.
I don't know about the US but whatever Gore says gets plenty of air time. A few months back there was a conference  of climate scientists. Plus a few thousand scientists signed a petition that they find the approach of Gore noth worthy of science. Guess what nothing on the news. And that no incident. It's structural.
I can go and on but I just want to say it's not that clear as Gore wants us to believe. It's not that all scientists agree.

[Molly]

Viscount Monckton on Climategate: 'They Are Criminals' (PJM Exclusive)
The man who challenged Al Gore to a debate is furious about the content of the leaked CRU emails — and says why you should be, too.



November 23, 2009 - by Christopher Monckton


This is what they did — these climate "scientists" on whose unsupported word the world's classe politique proposes to set up an unelected global government this December in Copenhagen, with vast and unprecedented powers to control all formerly free markets, to tax wealthy nations and all of their financial transactions, to regulate the economic and environmental affairs of all nations, and to confiscate and extinguish all patent and intellectual property rights.

The tiny, close-knit clique of climate scientists who invented and now drive the "global warming" fraud — for fraud is what we now know it to be — tampered with temperature data so assiduously that, on the recent admission of one of them, land temperatures since 1980 have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures. One of the thousands of emails recently circulated by a whistleblower at the University of East Anglia, where one of the world's four global-temperature datasets is compiled, reveals that data were altered so as to prevent a recent decline in temperature from showing in the record. In fact, there has been no statistically significant "global warming" for 15 years — and there has been rapid and significant cooling for nine years.

Worse, these arrogant fraudsters — for fraudsters are what we now know them to be — have refused, for years and years and years, to reveal their data and their computer program listings. Now we know why: As a revealing 15,000-line document from the computer division at the Climate Research Unit shows, the programs and data are a hopeless, tangled mess. In effect, the global temperature trends have simply been made up. Unfortunately, the British researchers have been acting closely in league with their U.S. counterparts who compile the other terrestrial temperature dataset — the GISS/NCDC dataset. That dataset too contains numerous biases intended artificially to inflate the natural warming of the 20th century.

Finally, these huckstering snake-oil salesmen and "global warming" profiteers — for that is what they are — have written to each other encouraging the destruction of data that had been lawfully requested under the Freedom of Information Act in the UK by scientists who wanted to check whether their global temperature record had been properly compiled. And that procurement of data destruction, as they are about to find out to their cost, is a criminal offense. They are not merely bad scientists — they are crooks. And crooks who have perpetrated their crimes at the expense of British and U.S. taxpayers.

I am angry, and so should you be.

What have the mainstream news media said about the Climategate affair? Remarkably little. The few who have brought themselves to comment, through gritted teeth, have said that all of this is a storm in a teacup, and that their friends in the University of East Anglia and elsewhere in the climatological community are good people, really.

No, they're not. They're criminals. With Professor Fred Singer, who founded the U.S. Satellite Weather Service, I have reported them to the UK's Information Commissioner, with a request that he investigate their offenses and, if thought fit, prosecute. But I won't be holding my breath: In the police state that Britain has now sadly become, with supine news media largely owned and controlled by the government, the establishment tends to look after its own.

At our expense, and at the expense of the truth.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/viscount-monckton-on-global-warminggate-they-are-criminals-pjm-exclusive

[Raggedy Anne]

I dont see how the planet will self- correct, like the human body doesnt correct its self if you pollute it with burgers and fags and booze it just gets more and more unhealthy. Just like body pollution is caused by greed so is the pollution of the planet. People wanting to use up natural resources as quickly as possible to make the most money, there are consequences and unfortunately its our children who will suffer  :sigh:

The 1984 element is that people are fed so many lies on both sides of the aisle by puppets that they are at war with each other over it and no one is watching the puppet master!

Yep.  Well put.

Anne

[natcat86]

I dont see how the planet will self- correct, like the human body doesnt correct its self if you pollute it with burgers and fags and booze it just gets more and more unhealthy. Just like body pollution is caused by greed so is the pollution of the planet. People wanting to use up natural resources as quickly as possible to make the most money, there are consequences and unfortunately its our children who will suffer  :sigh:

The 1984 element is that people are fed so many lies on both sides of the aisle by puppets that they are at war with each other over it and no one is watching the puppet master!

Yep.  Well put.

Anne

Thanks Anne, I think we share a lot of opinions about the world.
:Hi5:

[Molly]

Australia carbon emissions law hit by opposition revolt

By Nick Bryant
BBC News, Sydney

The Australian government's plans to enact a law for an emissions trading scheme have been thrown into chaos.

A revolt within the opposition Liberal Party could overturn an agreement reached earlier in the week with the Liberal leader, Malcolm Turnbull.

He agreed to pass the measure through the upper house of parliament where the government does not have a majority.

But opposition climate change sceptics have vowed to scupper the legislation and have challenged his leadership.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8382069.stm

[Molly]

Climategate: five Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax

By James Delingpole Politics Last updated: November 26th, 2009



Australia is leading the revolt against Al Gore's great big AGW conspiracy – just as the Aussie geologist and AGW sceptic Professor Ian Plimer predicted it would.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100018003/climategate-five-aussie-mps-lead-the-way-by-resigning-in-disgust-over-carbon-tax/

[noname]

you go ozzy!  :thumbsup:

[WhiteWings]

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/282540
the swine flu, may have mutated because doctors are finding their patients experiencing a burning sensation and blackened lungs, states National Terror Alert.
One doctor said, according to the Daily Express, "We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal. They look like they have been burned. It's terrifying."

[Molly]

yeah. right. mutated.  Now it's the pig/bird/human/black lung flu.  :mblush: