Introducing Myself

[Molly]

It is simply that to directly connect us to God Jesus suffered and died, and is raised to permanent life as the Kurios "the ultimate authority" and as our only mediator.  Once brought into intimacy with  THE LORD all other relationships are beneath us!

This is so true!  We have been reconciled by Christ's death so that we may experience true intimacy.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


As in all intimate relationships, three's a crowd.  I certainly can and do learn from my brethren, but God is my final authority.  And, quite frankly, men come and go, but He will never leave me or forsake me.

[Paul Hazelwood]

paul H. you have some sarcasm in your post.  Is that walking in the Spirit?

You over looked my point.   I may not be walking in the spirit, but if you, paul and victor is what walking in the spirit is, I want no part of it and gladly accept the fate they deem is coming my way because it's better than becoming like that.

[Sarah]

OK Sarah, I tried to gently reason with you.  At this point I will choose to turn the other cheek.  Your unrighteous judgment of me is between you and God.

Did you mean Witness?

I'm still confused as to what Witness' objective for us is. Follow Victor and Paul?

[Paul Hazelwood]

why do you say they are not interested?  because they are not on this forum answering you? don't you know they were kicked off?

besides they demonstrated their interest in your life by answering you with substance on their site.  if you want to talk to them, why don't you write them rather than complain about them behind their backs on a blog they can no longer access?

It's not behind their back, they either can still read these messages or you send them to them.  In any case I have posted with that knowledge.   If you are no longer doing that, then I will cease any posting in this thread.  Let me know.  My e-mail is in my profile.  If they care, you can send it to them and they can send me a message.  I have no need to contact them privately.

This thread is going on 9 pages now and I have a question Witness.


What do you think a solution to becoming friends here is?   Is finding that not a spiritual direction rather than one of the flesh?   Please be specific.

[Taffy]

i'm not judging and condeming my brethren- you are not my brother in Christ.  you come at me subtly as an enemy, and expect that I would esteem you as a brother?
but you know who the accuser of the brethren of christ is!
Genesis 3:1 HNV  Now the serpent was more subtle than any animal of the field which the LORD God had made. ...
Revelation 12:9-10 MKJV  And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  (10)  And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.

Hello Witness, :icon_flower:
The word satan means" adversary", one could say , that which is , or those who  are , adverse to Christ, The Way, the Truth and The life.
Therefore, would it sound strange to you that He who accuseth is Moses,( Ministry of DEATH)  for those who fail to believe..., seems  Christ is talking to those of the Law once again, could it be those who accuse are acussed themselves?
those who seek Honour among themselves ,oppossed to the TRUE\Pearl of Great price ,who is worthy of Honour who come from HIS FATHER
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Jhn 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Jhn 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

Jhn 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Jhn 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?

Jhn 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.

Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jhn 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

The Only enemy we have is ourselves , as all men are enemies to the Cross, as we once were ourselves, when we stood as MEN.,
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Even so..as for enemies  we love them and surely dont curse them ,for that curse of death has been lifted.
Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Therefore,I find it Strange you ACCUSE James as one who is Not a Brother,
do Brothers accuse brothers ?sisters  Acusse sisters come their faith?

for by FAITH ye STAND.
those who are worthy of TWOFOLD Honour  ,their service is By word and Doctrine of the ONE it speaks of.) their Labour is a WORK of FAITH AND LOVE..TOWARD HIS NAME

1
Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

Hbr 6:10 For God [is] not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed*** toward his name,**** in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.  

Do Not Muzzle the OX( stop him from eating\speaking ), when treading in the EARTH( HEARTS OF MEN)the CORN (bread ) THE TEACHINGS \DOCTRINES of HE who Gave HIS LIFE for ALL.

As ReFormer mentioned...The Labour of faith and Love was\is to ETABILISH ONE NESS, through a Marriage undefiled,God is a Jealous God, itS spiritual adultery to BE bound\TOUCH  that of AnOther WOMAN., THAT OTHER woman being OLD Jerulasem

Eze 16:38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.

HIS jealousy is provoked to wrath.the Law bringeth WraTH?

Eze 38:19 For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

The same chaste vigirns who defiled themselves not are also mentioned :icon_flower:

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

NO GUILE found in their mouth, and without FAULT

SEEMS A PERFECT MAN can be found with no such guile

Jam 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same [is] a perfect man, [and] able also to bridle the whole body.

speaks for mine of the  those WHO spoke not just word, But deed also.....the Labour of Love\faith in which we walk.

lest paul also speak and keep his body he to be cast aside, HE Became **ALL THINGS**( SPEAKS VERY MUCH OF CHRIST TO ME) to all people...speaking to a Jew as JEW, and to the Brethren as one of the brethren

1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

:icon_flower:

[Taffy]

OK Sarah, I tried to gently reason with you.  At this point I will choose to turn the other cheek.  Your unrighteous judgment of me is between you and God.

Did you mean Witness?

I'm still confused as to what Witness' objective for us is. Follow Victor and Paul?

yes sarah, I believe James meant SARA ( Schmidt), Its my educated guess this is who Witness is, having read her Testimony...but there again one could be wrong :icon_flower:


So if this is you Sara?..Then Howdy :icon_flower:

[jabcat]

Yes, I mean "Sara"...the monicker "witness" doesn't set so well right now, based on the type of fruit that's beginning to bear...

[jabcat]

Good news or evangelium (also translated as "gospel", "glad tidings" and variants) is the message of Jesus, the Christ (the Messiah);  the saving acts of God, specifically his atoning death on the cross and resurrection from the dead, the descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost as "helper" (paraclete), and the resulting promise and hope of salvation.    Its context is the storyline of the Christian Bible as a whole, how people from all nations are restored to relationship with God through the person of Jesus.

Let your joy be full, rejoice in the Lord always, and again I say rejoice.

[Taffy]

 :icon_flower:

[jabcat]

Thanks, flower child  :Sparkletooth:.

Romans 12:3-5 says  For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.

For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function,

so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 

[Sarah]

Yes, I mean "Sara"...the monicker "witness" doesn't set so well right now, based on the type of fruit that's beginning to bear...

Gotcha! I didn't catcha that 'witness' and I have the same name, except for the h. I didn't even realize witness was a girl.  :mblush:

I think it is ironic that some here were dubbed as being the 'accuser of the brethern'. I'm also still wondering what Witness's goal is here; to tell us to repent from something, to expose a false teaching and if so repent of what and what false teaching?

[jabcat]

It's good, Sarah.  We're told not to judge, and that the very judgment we give we will be receiving.  If you notice closely, any time you may judge, or I, or anyone else, we are often in that very moment blinded to the fact that we're doing the exact same thing we're accusing others of doing. 

God's blessing.

[peacemaker]

I can safely say, peacemaker, that you don't know the Lord, and therefore you do the opposite of what your name describes.  you need to stop being religious and comforting yourself with your false prayer.  what else could a prayer be that is coming from another subtle accuser of the brethren?

A Psalm within the heart?  But I guess only your mentors can make up their own Proverbs?

also, Jesus said-

Matthew 6:5-7 MKJV  And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, They have their reward.  (6)  But you, when you pray, enter into your room. And shutting your door (from outside influences) pray to your Father in secret; and your Father who sees (within) in secret shall reward you openly.  (7)  But when you pray, do not babble vain words (you call His Words vain?), as the nations. For they think that in their much speaking they shall be heard.

... through the steps of walking with the Lord through His servants, Victor and Paul, I have experienced victory over sins- masturbation in particular ... from Victors testimony, it appears he was of some help, as he also had difficulty in dealing with this sin, until the LORD delivered him, which in no uncertain terms is what he said.

"We are not predestinated to sin, again, that's choice; but we are predestined to holiness."


Excerpts from the path of truth.com/falsehoodexposed/truemarkscult (with commentary)

False religion is man-made. True religion (relationship) is God-made. One is a cult, and the other is true reverence of God. One dresses and glorifies the old nature. The other is a change of nature (heart) for the better. One is the righteousness of man. The other is the RIGHTEOUS OF GOD!

"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, to visit orphans and widows in their afflictions, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world" (James 1:27).

"He has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does Jehovah require of you but to do justice and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God?" (Micah 6:8)

"One man's garbage is another man's treasure." How true!

I love mercy, his justice, and humbly walking in the Spirit of the day with the LORD, as we visit the orphans, the fatherless, and widows in their affliction – without spot or blemish.

Victor defines a cult, and describes the true characteristics of one:

It is a fact that the definition of a cult depends on the one defining. It is also true that almost all definitions are prejudiced, partisan, bigoted, contradictory, ignorant, erroneous, justifiably debatable, and therefore potentially harmful to the innocent. Indeed! Thirdly, it is true that those who take it upon themselves to define a cult, as they see it from their own religious perspective, are guilty of slander, defamation of character, potential harm to saints of God, and blasphemy against God. Then, Repent! Until now, I have yet to see a definition that does not have these characteristics just mentioned. A contradiction in terms, depending on the one defining.

I hereby present a practical and truthful definition, and name the primary true marks of a cult as it commonly exists, not according to opinion, tradition, religious bias, philosophy or any other thing, but according to Jesus Christ/Yahshuah HaMashiach and Holy Scripture.

Therefore, let us agree that a cult is:

"An identifiable group, which, while professing Christianity or faith in Jesus Christ, is contrary, intentionally or otherwise, to true Christianity." Agreed!

Therefore, it is my pleasure and blessedness of God, by His grace and revelation, to present simple and unmistakable, yet commonly unrecognized Scriptural marks of a cult as we have defined it. Remember, it is true that almost all definitions are prejudiced, partisan, bigoted, contradictory, ignorant, erroneous, justifiably debatable, and therefore potentially harmful to the innocent.

Here are some true marks of a "cult" that the reader will not be able to identify with Jesus Christ, the apostle Paul and true Christian disciples and believers anywhere at any time... But keep in mind the following:

Beware of false prophets (surely not only those who spoke in times past?) who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits (as it falls not far from the tree, and a witness, she is).

Many are those miscreants that have given themselves over to the lusts of the flesh, adultery, fornication, sexual orgies, Satan worship (wouldn't dream of worshiping an adversary, or committing any of these other atrocities, but I do sleep in the same bed with my wife – does that count?), carrying arms for warfare and self defense in the Name of God, drugs, racism, homosexuality, entrapment, hoarding supplies, deception, and innumerable other evils (like masturbation?).

It must also be made clear that many cults will have some legitimate characteristics. This is so true.

Let us not be deceived by those who have some legitimate, or apparently legitimate, characteristics (of truth). Their error more than "compensates" for the truths they hold.

Cults have a formal and official name that identifies them with the world, and which presumes to have a handle on the truth ...

Think about it, reader. Let's try a few of these names and consider the implications:

"The Path to truth" which has some legitimate characteristics of truth. And what is this about being the path? (Not that I am of Victor or Paul, or any other for that matter).

Is this not a name of blasphemy? While it displays superiority, or a special quality like, "We are the original," it does so in the Name of Jesus Christ, Who said, "If any among you will be great (or the path), let him be your servant (or last on the path)." Did He say, "If any of you will be great, let him be "the Path to Truth?"

And upon what is their emphasis? Follow us, for only we have been given the truth?
How erroneous and misleading! Sounds a bit like the worldly minded churches.

Let's try another name. Any name will do. They all have the substance of error and falsehood. Let's try "Harvest Haven."  What are they saying? Are they "holy"? Have you studied the history of this organization? In any event, by calling themselves by this name, they are in effect saying, "We are THE Church, THE Body of Christ. We are holy." So what if one is not of Harvest Haven, or that of Victor and Paul? Without saying so, they imply that any person outside of their organization is lost, or not in the fold of Christ. To take on a name is to say, "We are special. We stand out in this world as Christ's or God's true servants, or representatives, or children." Is that not what they are saying? Did Jesus do any such thing? Not at all. Nor do any who are truly His.

The apostle Paul had this and much more to say about names:

"For you are yet carnal. For in that there is among you envyings and strife and divisions, are you not carnal, and do you not walk according to men? For while one says, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are you not carnal?" (1 Corinthians 3:3-4)

This cult I name claim to believe and to teach and preach from the Bible, yet many simple words and plain messages from it have no effect on them, such as the one just quoted. Cults keep right on marching their preferred ways, determined to have a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. Cults are man-made, and not the work of God. If of God, would they walk contrarily to Him? Good question, however, the answer is no!

BTW I have a beard, wear blue jeans and sandals, hope this doesn't offend? Almost positive that it will not. And I would not call what was written by me a prayer, perhaps a Psalm, given the various words and/or thought that came from the Scriptures. Although, it makes for a heart-felt prayer which you may recite while in your spiritual closet (within), and not a literal enclosure on the farm. But that in, and of itself, is alright, as well.

I have digested all the writings of Victor and Paul, and as they say from these excerpts from their true marks of a cult, they have some legitimate truth. However, I have found that:

"The only difference between a rut of fallacy and the grave of truth, is the depth of understanding."

You cannot have a discussion "according to the stick" (but it is tempting, although, this would upset Tony to think, again, that  I was a war-maker). Thus, study for yourself!

I know, I know, you believe that you are using His Rod of correction – this I understand. After all, I am not a disembodied spirit, nor without HIS SPIRIT.

I guess they can put a curse on me, but by all means – set a date, and the parameters of such, so the whole world will know – they are false prophets?

"I predict that most of their fallacy will not go away, despite refutations, dated this day!"


peacemaker

[peacemaker]

"Testimonies only tell one side of the story, especially when they include other people."

peacemaker

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I personally like the Lord's definition of a cult, which I received when I first got saved, after asking Him to PLEASE help me, I don't know who out there to believe about anything. He said, "A cult always emphasizes it's error." Selah. Blessings....

[CHB]

It's good, Sarah.  We're told not to judge, and that the very judgment we give we will be receiving.  If you notice closely, any time you may judge, or I, or anyone else, we are often in that very moment blinded to the fact that we're doing the exact same thing we're accusing others of doing. 

God's blessing.

Amen jabcat!!! I think I am guilty of this very thing. I added to my last post that was originally suppose to be shorter and after going back and re-reading it, I thought I sounded judgmental. I am sorry Witness if you thought I was judging you, it certainly wasn't my intention. jabcat, I apologize to you.  :Peace:


Witness:
You mentioned all of the positions that were in the original Ekklesias in Paul's day. In Paul's day, all of these positions were necessary but today they are not. The reason I say this is, the Gospel had just began to be preached and Jesus had told them that this Gospel must be preached to the world. This was accomplished. Today, all we need is the Holy Spirit and God, nothing or no one else is necessary. Sure we can learn from others but we should NEVER put any one before God.

CHB

[jabcat]

You've got nothing to be apologize to me for...I saw you trying to not be judgmental...I think it can be a difficult thing to try to reason and contend for the faith, yet not be judgmental, or at least even sound that way...

[jabcat]

I think it is ironic that some here were dubbed as being the 'accuser of the brethern'. I'm also still wondering what Witness's goal is here;

This may give you some insight, Sarah

These are quotes attributed to the group leaders...

"It is not a matter of theory, philosophy, "theology," or opinion [look familiar?] to us.... 
We speak to you from His throne."

Here are quotes from scripture;  "call upon the name of the Lord and you shall be saved", and "there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus".

Does the Holy Spirit constantly slam believers over the head with condemnation and statements of unacceptance, or gently and lovingly help, guide, and grow us? 

[Witness]

more replies have now been posted on Paul and Victor's site.  there is a reply to Nathan showing that his complaint about Paul is based in false christianity. they also wrote a reply to pneuma's posts (Scott).  you can see it by going to What's New?       www.thepathoftruth.com

[firstborn888]

more replies have now been posted on Paul and Victor's site.  there is a reply to Nathan showing that his complaint about Paul is based in false christianity. they also wrote a reply to pneuma's posts (Scott).  you can see it by going to What's New?       www.thepathoftruth.com

What's new Sarah is that I love you and all with a perfect love. Whatever the consequences are for that - I'll take them - gladly - thankfully.  :thumbsup:

[Taffy]

Ditto Byron :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

But sadly Witness this is hardly new at all,

do these comments sound familier- just a few excerpts :sigh:

As I have already said, you, Mike, you are not a genuine Christian either - just another tare, a child of the Devil. How do I know? We have told you: "He who is of God hears God 's Words. Therefore you do not hear them because you are not of God " (John 8:47 MKJV)  "We are of God. He who knows God hears us. The one who is not of God does not hear us. From this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error "(1 John 4:6 MKJV).  What does God have to say? That is why we are here, that He may finally have His say.


you are carnal, stupid, and full of all contradiction, teaching lies. It is true for you that these things are not of concern because you are not a son of Abraham by faith. You are a bastard. Bastards do whatever they like. So there is nothing here for you to worry about or consider. Shall we expect a devil to become a saint by trying to follow the fathers? Can a pig learn to bleat?

Mike replies;  Short of being called a big doodie head, you have thrown every insult in the book at me. Normally people have to spend a little time before coming to dislike me, but you have judged me and condemned me without knowing anything at all about me. If that is your idea of proclaiming the Gospel, we will all be better served by you staying in Canada where your defamation and injury to the witness of genuine Christians is minimized....I rejected your last comment, and will reject any future comments. They have become successively more virulent and show no signs of becoming constructive. The last one was especially ugly and I decided to reject it instead of trying to interact with your hysterical rants. I should have followed Josh's lead and cut you off some time ago. You already have a webpage to spew your malicious attacks. I won't provide a further forum for you. Anyone who reads this exchange can decide for themselves the validity of your position. I shouldn't have baited you into this exchange because it is clear that you are markedly disturbed. I sincerely pray that God will break through your stony hearts, and that if it is His will that He free you from your bondage, you and your followers.

Quoting Sara Schmidt on culverites blogspot; Show me whom you follow, and I will know what manner of person you are or will become. If you do not know whom you are following, don't you think it is time to find out how and where you are being led? Do you think you will altogether escape the consequences because ignorant?          Think again. You already suffer them. 

Ingrid; Talking to an ill Christian woman...after first quoting scripture  at her about being an "adulterous woman", then says this; Why do you think you are ill, Lisa?  And he said, If you will carefully listen to the voice of Jehovah your God, and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments, and keep all His Laws, I will put none of these diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; for I am Jehovah who heals you"  (Exodus 15:26 MKJV). People, if you wish to perish in your illnesses, that is your prerogative. As if you know what all diseases the Lord laid on the Egyptians. And why should that matter anyway? The Lord promises that no good thing would He withhold from those who walk uprightly. Obviously with MS [multiple sclerosis] we can hardly say you walk uprightly.

Taffy, sorry No flower today, theres no sunshine

[Cardinal]

Ditto Byron :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

Ingrid; Talking to an ill Christian woman...after first quoting scripture  at her about being an "adulterous woman", then says this; Why do you think you are ill, Lisa?  And he said, If you will carefully listen to the voice of Jehovah your God, and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments, and keep all His Laws, I will put none of these diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; for I am Jehovah who heals you"  (Exodus 15:26 MKJV). People, if you wish to perish in your illnesses, that is your prerogative. As if you know what all diseases the Lord laid on the Egyptians. And why should that matter anyway? The Lord promises that no good thing would He withhold from those who walk uprightly. Obviously with MS [multiple sclerosis] we can hardly say you walk uprightly.

Taffy, sorry No flower today, theres no sunshine

:cloud9: The rest is obnoxious enough, but I find this particularly heinous. Guess they left that part out in the book where it says the blind man was born that way to show the glory of God.

And to further dispute this, in my own walk, when I was in my ninth month of pregnancy with my daughter, I fell ill with double pneumonia and landed, against my will, in the hospital. The very first day I was asking God, why am I here, why did you allow this to come on me? It wasn't long that day before I had my answer. A young woman from another town came in who was in extreme (screaming during spasms) pain with a back injury, and was put in the bed beside me.

I witnessed to her about the Lord having healed my back, found out she was brought up Catholic and was not born again. That night I had a dream, of a pastor I knew coming in and leading her to the Lord. The Lord told me in the dream it had to be a man to lead her to Him, because of her upbringing. When I awoke I made a phone call, and later in the day, the pastor came and she gave her heart to the Lord. Within a few hours that same day, I was "suddenly" better and my confused doctor sent me home.

I found out 3 years later, when she came running up to me and hugged me (it seems we had a mutual friend and didn't know it) that her back was healed after she received Christ and she went home the next day.

Judging after the appearance realm is unrighteous judgment, no matter what it involves.  We have no way of knowing what the Lord has planned, and sometimes it involves a little "inconvenience" for us. I feel sorry for the person who told the above woman this, because when she is stricken herself (and she will be when she reaps), she's going to have to eat those words. Blessings....

[Andy]

Ditto Byron :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

Ingrid; Talking to an ill Christian woman...after first quoting scripture  at her about being an "adulterous woman", then says this; Why do you think you are ill, Lisa?  And he said, If you will carefully listen to the voice of Jehovah your God, and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments, and keep all His Laws, I will put none of these diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians; for I am Jehovah who heals you"  (Exodus 15:26 MKJV). People, if you wish to perish in your illnesses, that is your prerogative. As if you know what all diseases the Lord laid on the Egyptians. And why should that matter anyway? The Lord promises that no good thing would He withhold from those who walk uprightly. Obviously with MS [multiple sclerosis] we can hardly say you walk uprightly.

Taffy, sorry No flower today, theres no sunshine

:cloud9: The rest is obnoxious enough, but I find this particularly heinous. Guess they left that part out in the book where it says the blind man was born that way to show the glory of God.

And to further dispute this, in my own walk, when I was in my ninth month of pregnancy with my daughter, I fell ill with double pneumonia and landed, against my will, in the hospital. The very first day I was asking God, why am I here, why did you allow this to come on me? It wasn't long that day before I had my answer. A young woman from another town came in who was in extreme (screaming during spasms) pain with a back injury, and was put in the bed beside me.

I witnessed to her about the Lord having healed my back, found out she was brought up Catholic and was not born again. That night I had a dream, of a pastor I knew coming in and leading her to the Lord. The Lord told me in the dream it had to be a man to lead her to Him, because of her upbringing. When I awoke I made a phone call, and later in the day, the pastor came and she gave her heart to the Lord. Within a few hours that same day, I was "suddenly" better and my confused doctor sent me home.

I found out 3 years later, when she came running up to me and hugged me (it seems we had a mutual friend and didn't know it) that her back was healed after she received Christ and she went home the next day.

Judging after the appearance realm is unrighteous judgment, no matter what it involves.  We have no way of knowing what the Lord has planned, and sometimes it involves a little "inconvenience" for us. I feel sorry for the person who told the above woman this, because when she is stricken herself (and she will be when she reaps), she's going to have to eat those words. Blessings....

Beautiful testamony Cardinal.  Thanks for sharing that.  It made my day! Praise God!  :bigGrin: :cloud9: :thumbsup:

[pneuma]

more replies have now been posted on Paul and Victor's site.  there is a reply to Nathan showing that his complaint about Paul is based in false christianity. they also wrote a reply to pneuma's posts (Scott).  you can see it by going to What's New?       www.thepathoftruth.com

Hi Witness, if you are interested in my reply to Paul C just follow the link below.


http://indefenceofthecross.blogspot.com/

[Sarah]

I have known of pastors with this spirit. One reaped the whirlwind in his life and ended up loosing his family, his house, and everything. The other was killed in a car crash leaving behind a young wife and 2 young boys. It was very sad. You CAN NOT go around offending God's children and putting yokes on their necks without consequence. It is an evil spirit that is producing this scripturous venum...remember satan's words to Jesus. I fear for this group, as you reap what you sow. It is a fearful thing to believe the voice in your head is the voice God when its fruit is destruction and bondage. If what you spoke were true, those here would be angry and offended because many times truth illicits that response. But your comments are like water off a ducks back because they are lies.

Sarah B.