Introducing Myself

[Paul Hazelwood]

You are right that you did not say these exact words

Thank you for admitting that.  You can have the last word about me however your opinion sees fit.

[Paul Hazelwood]

he did not come to give us doctrine! He came to give us life!!! 

Yes Jesus did that for many through many different ministries.   As much as my flesh might fight it, this even happens within the system of organized religion that I left. 

This does not mean we do not speak out and contend for the things that are right.  Of course I have been accused of not doing so.   LOL   Thats really funny actually.

in obedience to these men of god, i have been receiving His life. 

Witness, please share the scripture showing you should be in obedience to these men.

Paul C  I ask you to be the man of God this person claims you to be and not allow yourself to be followed as if you have a rightful place in this manner.  Repent!

[Paul Hazelwood]

18When Jesus saw the crowd around Him, He gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake. 19Then a teacher of the law came to Him and said, "Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go."


A teacher of the law recognizes that he must follow Jesus not just follow men.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Lord,

I pray that we see a great work in the turmoil that has been cast over this issue, there are hurt feelings, there may be misunderstanding, in any event, I pray that there be healing and awakening through your work.   As we know, there are countless ways that you are to be revealed to all men in due time.  I say thanks to open hearts in this issue and that your strength be known.

No one person, no two people, no 100 people, no one website, no one ministry contains ALL truth, only you God know ALL truth.  For what freedom and life anyone finds in ANY area or through who you choose for that to be LORD I give thanks.  I give thanks for my freedom through the most unlikely people.   I express my thanks for my freedom in the face of doubt and the accusation of that being false.

I give thanks to the truth of your true ultimate reconciliation of all things and hope to see these dividing lines undone no matter who stands and tries ro justify keeping them in place, including a revelation for myself if it is me that stands doing that very thing.

I repent Lord of my attitude that is not loving and understanding or strong and courageous.

Amen

[martincisneros]

Actually, St. Paul is the one that said that we have New Testament doctrines and the Apostle John went far enough to say that if anyone wanders from them, then they don't have the Father or the Son.  With St. Paul it's the Scripture about all of the things that the Scriptures are profitable for, as well as some other statements.  With the Apostle John, again, there are many statements to this effect, but for a single sentence on the matter see 2John 1:8-11. 

The purpose of correct doctrines are a simple matter of the "how to" of the Spirit and how to release the supernatural consistently -- no matter what it is.  Christ gets picky about "doctrine" any time that there's going to be a release of power and only a very thoroughly renewed mind can be entrusted with getting certain things done that come up on God's "no man knoweth the day and hour" calendar.  But when He starts with the "this is how" and "this is what to avoid to stay conducive to this and that still happening" then brace yourself 'cause something very beautiful's about to hit the fan!  But it'll usually never be about acceptance issues, but about how to get from point A to point B about whatever.

I've seen hints again about why don't we just have a private board.  How do any of you know that we don't??  That's the problem with private boards is the "by invitation only" otherwise you might not even know it exists unless even seeing it were enabled.  I could see the board about getting the Gospel out to foreign lands being made private 'cause things might be planned on that board for a particular geographical area that would be illegal in that country.  But just secret boards for the sake of having some Christians that are invited and some that aren't with some kind of gnostic pretext about some not being ready for this or that has not only never been anything that Gary's ever been willing to consider, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. 

I'm involved with a number of organizations in the Animal Underground Railroad.  I could see a private board on my forum (i.e. not talking about Tentmaker's Forum) if anything said on that could and would be held against us in a court of law if we "went there" about certain things.  But just secret boards that are based upon the sectarian spirit without a genuine point being achieved other than an over-inflated self opinion about being Christian Jedi Knights or whatever, uh....NO!! LOL!  Private boards have an agenda rather than feeding itchy ears/eyes and gossip.

There are certain deeper teachings of the Word that it might not be profitable to get into with everyone, but those tend to be on a need to know basis rather than to the overly inflated self important.  Otherwise, the only real reason for secret boards would definitely be a discipling intent and it wouldn't be general chit-chat about itchy ear stuff.  Intensified ministry preparation would be among the reasons why I could see a lot of fruit out of a private board.  But anything less ambitious and email or the printed page would be perfectly fine for something passed among a very few where folks were just revelating beyond the purpose of certain forums online.  If we got a bunch of folks that suddenly came to the forum from Iran, China, and elsewhere where teaching UR could get them into trouble, but for them "to live is Christ and to die is gain," and I wouldn't even wait until I'd heard back from Gary before there'd be a secret board around here with a very few regular members being invited, but of the ones that I'd have the best assurance that they could really pour in the Word rather than opinions, distracting quips, etc.

[jabcat]

Lord,

I pray that we see a great work in the turmoil that has been cast over this issue, there are hurt feelings, there may be misunderstanding, in any event, I pray that there be healing and awakening through your work.   As we know, there are countless ways that you are to be revealed to all men in due time.  I say thanks to open hearts in this issue and that your strength be known.

No one person, no two people, no 100 people, no one website, no one ministry contains ALL truth, only you God know ALL truth.  For what freedom and life anyone finds in ANY area or through who you choose for that to be LORD I give thanks.  I give thanks for my freedom through the most unlikely people.   I express my thanks for my freedom in the face of doubt and the accusation of that being false.

I give thanks to the truth of your true ultimate reconciliation of all things and hope to see these dividing lines undone no matter who stands and tries ro justify keeping them in place, including a revelation for myself if it is me that stands doing that very thing.

I repent Lord of my attitude that is not loving and understanding or strong and courageous.

Amen

And Amen.

[CHB]

No one person, no two people, no 100 people, no one website, no one ministry contains ALL truth, only you God know ALL truth.  For what freedom and life anyone finds in ANY area or through who you choose for that to be LORD I give thanks.  I give thanks for my freedom through the most unlikely people.   I express my thanks for my freedom in the face of doubt and the accusation of that being false.

Absolutely right!!!  :thumbsup:

CHB

[CHB]

CHB-

just because you were taken in by a false teacher doesn't mean there are no true teachers - men of God!

you can't judge what is happening/has happened with me because you were burned. jesus said even then, "beware of false prophets." so because there were false prophets, does that mean people shouldn't have followed Jesus or apostle Paul?  paul even said-

1 Corinthians 11:1 DRB  Be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ.

but what about those who were burned by false teachers?  did this not apply to them too?

the false doesn't disqualify the true, CHB.

Witness,

The thing is, we don't need man to control us, tell us what to do and how to do it.  We only need God. Doesn't the Bible say to let God be true and EVERY MAN a liar. It is not good to let one man run your life, look what happened with Jim Jones. I am not saying there aren't men of God or teachers that teach truth but no one teaches ALL the truth. I mean NO ONE, not even Paul Cohen, the Bible says so.

CHB

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen.... :thumbsup:

[Taffy]

We only need God. Doesn't the Bible say to let God be true and EVERY MAN a liar.

Ya Know CHB ....every MAN is a Liar, for me talks after the Flesh, therefore all **flesh*** are Liars, that is those  LIE against the TRUTH , therefore have their PART in the LAKE...BUT he who is Born from above speaks and Prophesies AFTER  HE who is TRUTH..and Can Not LIE, for New Tongues hearts and Minds have been given.

:icon_flower:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen Taf  :thumbsup:

[CHB]

Ya Know CHB ....every MAN is a Liar, for me talks after the Flesh, therefore all **flesh*** are Liars, that is those  LIE against the TRUTH , therefore have their PART in the LAKE...BUT he who is Born from above speaks and Prophesies AFTER  HE who is TRUTH..and Can Not LIE, for New Tongues hearts and Minds have been given.

:icon_flower:

You are right Taffy but even if one speaks the truth, doesn't mean one KNOWS ALL truth. Or is given all the truth. I think Paul was given more truth than any one in the Bible but even he didn't know it ALL. Paul said "we know in part". "We see through a glass darkly".

If we knew it all we couldn't GROW in grace and knowledge.

CHB

[pneuma]

paul replied to a couple older comments on his website, if you go to What's New.  www.thepathoftruth.com

since he is banned from coming on here, why don't you write him, Scott?  i'll send him your comments.

Hi Witness feel free to send Paul my comments, as to writing him or anyone else time constrants just don't give me much time on the net these days to do much of that, but I did add his site to my favorites to read over when I do get some time.

God bless

[Witness]

Scott, if paul has anything to say to you, he would need your e-mail (since he was banned from answering here).

[Witness]

how blessed I am to have a God who reveals himself, His ways, and his truth to His servants, not leaving me to stumble in the dark.

(John 15:15)  No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.

1 John 2:20-21  But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know ALL things.  (21)  I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth.

James, have you not been separated by the Lord from your family or your church?  if not, then why not, since Jesus said he came to bring a sword?

Matthew 10:34-39
(34)  Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword.
(35)  For I have come to set a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
(36)  And a man's foes shall be those of his own household.
(37)  He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
(38)  And he who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
(39)  He who finds his life shall lose it. And he who loses his life for My sake shall find it.

And for all, regarding God honoring those who honor those He sends:

Matthew 10:40-41
(40)  He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.
(41)  He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward. And he who receives a just one in the name of a just one will receive a just one's reward.

Back to you, james.  God also said, "2 Corinthians 6:17-18  Therefore come out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you  (18)  and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

So anyone who hasn't experienced this separation hasn't known the Lord - He has not (yet) called them to Himself, or they have refused coming to Him. "Matthew 22:14  For many are called, but few chosen."

some Scriptures for you, CHB:

Hebrews 13:17  Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

John 20:21  Then Jesus said to them again, Peace to you. As My Father has sent Me, even so I send you.

Galatians 4:14  and you did not despise my temptation in my flesh, nor did you spurn it. But you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 4:15-16  For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.  (16)  Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Hebrews 13:7-8  Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.  (8)  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

[pneuma]

Witness I sent you a pm, let me know whether you got it or not

[Witness]

no, Scott, I didn't get it (or don't know how to get it).  can you send it again or help me out?

[jabcat]

Hi Witness.  I guess I'm wondering exactly what type of separation you're talking about.  Has it been dictated to you by a person(s), or directly led there, just between you and God?  Also, what input does Paul and Victor have in what you have to say here or anywhere?  

I will answer your questions in the next post.

[Witness]

i did get your message, Scott!  (I wasn't looking in my e-mail.)  thank you.

[pneuma]

your welcome

[jabcat]

Separation for me, and I believe what separation is biblically, is the difference between Light and darkness.  That God's Spirit working within me identifies with things of the Father and not of the world...not that I can't interact with others, talk to them, spend time with them; but that our spiritual eyes may be set on different goals, our life's focus on different things (things of the Spirit and life vs. things of the flesh and death) etc.  A super literal interpretation of the verses of which you speak would mean that Jesus didn't do what He said...and we know that's not true, because there was no lie or deceit in Him.  But we also both know that he sat with sinners, interacted with the "unclean"...now, did He desire to be a part of their sin?  No, and that's what I mean by the workings of the Spirit in the believer is different than what the unbeliever is typically focused on, so there is a "type" of separation.  But that doesn't mean I have to, nor did Jesus, lock myself away in a room with just a select few people...and especially only the few that may be approved of by the "hierarchy" or only certain men in control.

Yes, I separate from certain activities and people, given specific circumstances/situations.  As an example; I find no pleasure in spending hours at a wild party filled with drunkenness and reveling...the Spirit of God in me doesn't allow me to be comfortable in those situations.  And even if I did find such pleasure for a time, the Holy Spirit within me would convict me and pull me back toward God's will in my life...back to pursuing Him as He changes me from the inside out......through confession and repentance.  But still only through His power and grace; no self-righteousness or goodness of my own.  So yes, there are Spirit-led, God-caused differences since God has graciously saved me.  But for me to hold myself higher, better, etc. to the point that I "cry unclean" and reject people that may not be as yet reconciled to God and/or pursuing Him?  The witness of the Spirit in me says "that's not right".

How does this play itself out for you?  Are you forbade to do and say certain things, or interact with certain people?  Witness, these are plain, direct questions.  Will you honestly and transparently answer them?

Thanks, take care, James.

[peacemaker]

how blessed I am to have a God who reveals himself, His ways, and his truth to His servants, not leaving me to stumble in the dark.

"The eyes can only see; what the mind has, is, and will be prepared to comprehend."

No matter what we do in the letter of the law, in the flesh, it cannot result in life in the spirit.
Only God, through his Christ, can change an individual's heart, or the heart of a nation.

Therefore, let us put aside the deeds of darkness, putting on the implements of light. 
Until, the whole house is illuminated, one room at a time.

Indeed, a man's enemies, or foes are those of his own house.

peacemaker

[CHB]

Amen, jabcat, my thoughts exactly.

some Scriptures for you, CHB:

Hebrews 13:17  Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

John 20:21  Then Jesus said to them again, Peace to you. As My Father has sent Me, even so I send you.

Galatians 4:14  and you did not despise my temptation in my flesh, nor did you spurn it. But you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 4:15-16  For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.  (16)  Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Hebrews 13:7-8  Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.  (8)  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Witness,

At the beginning of your post you seem to say you know you have been given ALL of the truth. You can have ALL of the truth about A certain thing and this is what is being talked about.

If you have ALL the truth about everything there is, then you don't need to grow in knowledge and grace do you? 

If you know ALL THINGS please tell me what is meant by (1John 2:27) "But the anointing {Holy Spirit} which you have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you; but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

Now, the Holy Spirit can teach you ALL THINGS, because it knows all things but no man knows it all.

When Jesus said to his disciples "I send you" he meant the 12 which doesn't apply to us. Paul was one of the disciples and he was given more truth than the rest but like I said he didn't know everything.

(Acts 1:7) Jesus said "it is NOT GIVEN FOR YOU TO KNOW the times or the seasons."

(1Cor. 8:12) knowledge puffeth up.  And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, HE KNOWETH NOTHING YET AS HE OUGHT TO KNOW.

Some things just wasn't given for us to know.

(1Tim. 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, andto come unto the knowledge of the truth.

I think the above means that eventually all will come to understand but not now.

(1Cor. 4:5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

(2Peter 3:18) "But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

If we already know everything there is no need to GROW in knowledge is there?

CHB

[Taffy]

how blessed I am to have a God who reveals himself, His ways, and his truth to His servants, not leaving me to stumble in the dark.

Amen Witness. :icon_flower:

Have ya ever considered that scripture pertains to those very much of their day ., didnt Christ preach\teach to his kinsmen , the Circuit of Galiliee ?

Its evident for me that those IN DARKNESS cant see ,Kinda the same as The deaf , as they dont hear.

Do you know just how many times Ive been told-...YOU dont have eyes to SEE( therefore your darkness remains) and you dont have the ears to HEAR, therefore your DEAF to the scriptures ******** I *******Teach?, COS Ive been sent as HIS prophet, Apostle teacher etc...



One WHO  HEARS... HEARS **HIS**voice ,  One Percives HIM through the Eyes Of Understanding,Therefore ,are NO longer BLIND nor deaf **************** TO HIM************** :icon_flower: its HIS VOICE we hear


SO WHO ARE THESE FOLK IN DARKNESS..and the Deaf?...The Blind, lame, sick, poor etc HE came to spirtually HEAL

Lets consider PAUL..pretty good example wouldnt ya say?

THERE are none more BLIND then they which cant see...( only issue is ,they think they can)

Didnt he as Saul;, come to SEE his BLINDNESS, being stuck WITH LIGHT....? One could say, he could not  see because of HIS pride, his eyes were covered In scales, eyeslave( Christ) removed HIS pride( as ONE OF THE LAW) as the LAW was The tutor to the Reality of it...Poor saul still a child under law , Not yet made an Heir or son of Faith.

Job 41:15 [His] scales [are his] pride, shut up together [as with] a close seal.

youll see this again In Rev 3...Those who think they are Rich but poor etc, In need of eyesalve.

When he was a CHILD he spoke as a Child( as one who preached law) But noW full grown he puts away childish Things...


Are ya Getting the picture   :icon_flower:   ....twas those to whom Christ preached..yes..his fellow kinsmen, could we call them Jews?.....who were Blinded by the LAW,

One who is removed From Darkness ,is one who is  no longer  In the Shadow of the OLDC.....


for many are Invited But few are chosen( noted only twice in scripture...which speak again of his kinsmen ) :boyheart:....seem Not many wise men either ( those being wise unto the LAW...)

Ya think Paul could just be one of the few chosen among his kinsmen...?




Have ya also Noticed ...Darkness is Night ...Light is DAY....Paul C being a Jew would know the NIGHT comes before the day..sunset to sunset...Night first..Day second.....a Bit Like the Old C first, then the New C...its called pictures and patterns , scriptures full of them which say very much the same thing...(Genesis is BIRTHED in such wonders)

For Those who WALK IN THE DAY, do not stumble, because its Not dark...Christ is the DAY we walk in, the LIGHT of the WORLD, the Morning Star which shines in our Hearts....The NEW DAY DAWN...for we are No longer in Darkness , weve passed through the Veil , its been torn , we now enter the Holy of Holies ....Blessed BY The Coming of the TESTATOR OF the  New covenant ,which IS CHRIST in our hearts....


Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.


Dear Witness ...there are those here who to are blessed to see HE who is the LIGHT of Knowledge...they neither remain In darkness....nor stumble.

so welcome sister :icon_flower:


Blessings.

:icon_flower:
ps
Sorry witness but never got passed your first line :icon_flower:

[Zeek]

how blessed I am to have a God who reveals himself, His ways, and his truth to His servants, not leaving me to stumble in the dark.

Amen Witness. :icon_flower:

Have ya ever considered that scripture pertains to those very much of their day ., didnt Christ preach\teach to his kinsmen , the Circuit of Galiliee ?

Its evident for me that those IN DARKNESS cant see ,Kinda the same as The deaf , as they dont hear.

Do you know just how many times Ive been told-...YOU dont have eyes to SEE( therefore your darkness remains) and you dont have the ears to HEAR, therefore your DEAF to the scriptures ******** I *******Teach?, COS Ive been sent as HIS prophet, Apostle teacher etc...



One WHO  HEARS... HEARS **HIS**voice ,  One Percives HIM through the Eyes Of Understanding,Therefore ,are NO longer BLIND nor deaf **************** TO HIM************** :icon_flower: its HIS VOICE we hear


SO WHO ARE THESE FOLK IN DARKNESS..and the Deaf?...The Blind, lame, sick, poor etc HE came to spirtually HEAL

Lets consider PAUL..pretty good example wouldnt ya say?

THERE are none more BLIND then they which cant see...( only issue is ,they think they can)

Didnt he as Saul;, come to SEE his BLINDNESS, being stuck WITH LIGHT....? One could say, he could not  see because of HIS pride, his eyes were covered In scales, eyeslave( Christ) removed HIS pride( as ONE OF THE LAW) as the LAW was The tutor to the Reality of it...Poor saul still a child under law , Not yet made an Heir or son of Faith.

Job 41:15 [His] scales [are his] pride, shut up together [as with] a close seal.

youll see this again In Rev 3...Those who think they are Rich but poor etc, In need of eyesalve.

When he was a CHILD he spoke as a Child( as one who preached law) But noW full grown he puts away childish Things...


Are ya Getting the picture   :icon_flower:   ....twas those to whom Christ preached..yes..his fellow kinsmen, could we call them Jews?.....who were Blinded by the LAW,

One who is removed From Darkness ,is one who is  no longer  In the Shadow of the OLDC.....


for many are Invited But few are chosen( noted only twice in scripture...which speak again of his kinsmen ) :boyheart:....seem Not many wise men either ( those being wise unto the LAW...)

Ya think Paul could just be one of the few chosen among his kinsmen...?




Have ya also Noticed ...Darkness is Night ...Light is DAY....Paul C being a Jew would know the NIGHT comes before the day..sunset to sunset...Night first..Day second.....a Bit Like the Old C first, then the New C...its called pictures and patterns , scriptures full of them which say very much the same thing...(Genesis is BIRTHED in such wonders)

For Those who WALK IN THE DAY, do not stumble, because its Not dark...Christ is the DAY we walk in, the LIGHT of the WORLD, the Morning Star which shines in our Hearts....The NEW DAY DAWN...for we are No longer in Darkness , weve passed through the Veil , its been torn , we now enter the Holy of Holies ....Blessed BY The Coming of the TESTATOR OF the  New covenant ,which IS CHRIST in our hearts....


Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.


Dear Witness ...there are those here who to are blessed to see HE who is the LIGHT of Knowledge...they neither remain In darkness....nor stumble.

so welcome sister :icon_flower:


Blessings.

:icon_flower:
ps
Sorry witness but never got passed your first line :icon_flower:

THANK YOU JESUS. 

In HIM, we can say; I and the Father are ONE.  We are not of this world.  Praise HIM. 

Thank you T, beautifully said.