Natural and Spiritual

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Thanks for the study posting Fire.....will read and re-read it for a couple of days and meditate on all this. There is something I'm missing, I can feel it.....and it's nagging me......Blessings.....

[Taffy]

Heres a few verses I pulled from one of my studies

NT is "Pnuema of God with pnuema of man" in the OT is "Ruwach of God with ruwach of man"

His Spirit with "man" who is flesh

Gen 6:3 My spirit (Ruwach) shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh

He is the God of the spirits of all flesh

Numbers 16: 32 O God, the God of the spirits (ruwachs) of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?

The Spirit of God in a man in the OT

Gen 41:38 Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit (Ruwach) of God is?

NT (Pnuema) shows man has a spirit that knows only the things of man but does not know the things of the Spirit of God (its Gods spirit we need). I think its referred to as the Spirit of the world though.

1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit (pnuema) of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit (Pnuema) of God.

1Cr 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit (pnuema) may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Subjection to the Father of spirits that we might live.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits (pnuemas) and live?

Again...

Numbers 16: 32 O God, the God of the spirits (ruwachs)  of all flesh

1Cr 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit (pnuema) may be saved

Man is flesh, after a carnal truth we are in the flesh yet after a spiritual truth we are not in the flesh (and the determining factor) is Gods Spirit. Yet God is the God of the spirits of all flesh as He is the Father of spirits

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that  the Spirit (pneuma)of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit (pneuma) of Christ, he is none of his.

Other spirits (pnuemas)  whether they are of God

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit (pneuma) but try the spirits (pneumas) whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world

1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; (psychē) the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (pneuma)

Heb 4:10 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul (psychē) and spirit, (pnuema) and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

In the Old testament it was the SOUL (nephesh in the OT and psyche in the NT) that sinneth died. Its Christ who made HIS SOUL an offering Isaiah 53:10  Adam (a living soul) sinned and in that day what died was his LIVING soul and all were DEAD. Death (to be carnally minded) reigned.

The soul  (nephesh) the sinneth shall die  

He restoreth MY SOUL (nephesh)

Its SOUL salvation

Prov 19:16 He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; (nephesh)  but he that despiseth his ways shall die.


Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.  (psychē)

1Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. (psychē)

Very Timely

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I meant I read the scriptures until He speaks to me concerning them and you got them all together for me! And I know there is something I'm missing in ALL of this. I get a nagging feeling when He's trying to get me to see something and I'm just too dense to get it, LOL.....I call it the Lord's hammer.......He'll keep hammering me with it until the "day" dawns here, LOL.....Blessings....

[Molly]

Its SOUL salvation

The soul is saved first and then the body?

So there is something strange about spirit...

Does he marry his Spirit to our soul?

The bride is our soul?  And the groom his Spirit?

[Molly]

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that  the Spirit (pneuma)of God dwell in you.

9You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.


So is that saying if you have any other 'spirit' but Christ, you are in flesh?

[Pierac]

Will somebody please answer my question--

Does man have his own spirit?  Or is spirit something extraneous which enters man, whether it be the Spirit of Christ/God or the spirit of demons?

That's a good question Molly. I think our Spirit is simply the Spirit of the Father giving our Soul life. Our soul is our collective being, given life by the Spirit.  Let me share some verses to help explain...

Ecc 12:7  then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. ...  Gen 2:7 The Spirit is the breath of life (Psa 146:4) His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.

Ecc 3:18-19  I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. 19  For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath (Spirit rûaḥ) and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity.

Now add...

Luke 8:54  He, however, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Child, arise!" 55  And her spirit returned, and she got up immediately; and He gave orders for something to be given her to eat.

John 19:30  Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

The question is was the Spirit the actual property of the little girl and Jesus, or does it belong to God who gave it as in Ecc 12:7?  :dontknow:

Paul

[Pierac]

I have posted this before but feel it fits this post...

When reading in Exodus awhile back, I came upon the phrase "the finger of God." I was aware that the same phrase was used in the book of Luke regarding the method Jesus uses to cast out demons. I decided to do a phrase study using e-Sword. The following information is from my research.

Exo 8:19 Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, "This is the finger of God." But Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them, as the LORD had said.
Exo 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Luk 11:14 Now he was casting out a demon that was mute. When the demon had gone out, the mute man spoke, and the people marveled. 15 But some of them said, "He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the prince of demons," 16 while others, to test him, kept seeking from him a sign from heaven
Luk 11:20 But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

I had also come upon Scriptures that says Jesus cast out demons by the Spirit of God. This would strongly lead to the conclusion that the finger of God is the Spirit of God the Father.

Mat 12:22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, "Can this be the Son of David?" 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."
Mat 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

When you connect Luke 11:20 with Matthew 12:28 then you get the understanding of what the finger of God is.
Luk 11:20 But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Mat 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


Now the same is true with the Holy Spirit. We also have in the Bible two parallel teachings of the same subject one Matthew and one in Luke.
Luk 12:11 And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

Mat 10:19 When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Likewise, when you connect to Matthew 10:20 with Luke 12:12 you get an understanding of what the Holy Spirit is. It is the Spirit of the Father.


Paul

[alihaymeg]

Excelent! The spirit of god is synonamous with the Holy Spirit and the Finger of God.

[peacemaker]

Hello ...tap ...tap ...tap ...Is this thing on?  :blush:

"Spiritual means not physical; it doesn't mean not literal."

So, stay awake, for you know not the day, nor the hour of His visitation – spiritually speaking!

peacemaker

[Molly]

I agree, I recall a freind of mines post on the finger of God shown even through Christ, I save her post (Chrissie is her name)

I thought this was cute

John 8:5 Now Moses in the law """commanded us""" that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse HIM. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up, and said unto them, he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

John 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them;

John 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted of their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

It says "The LORD is THAT Spirit"  :thumbsup:

He's writing his laws on their minds and hearts.  Are these part of our spirit or our soul?

[Pierac]

INDWELLING OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD


Before starting one thing must be said, I do believe that the Spirit of God can and still does come upon individuals to guide them, but this should also not be confused with the indwelling of the Spirit of God.

Much of the confusion about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit comes from certain passages that have been interpreted as if Jesus meant them for all Christians in the future. This is an erroneous conclusion. One such example is in John 14: 15-17:
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to be with you always."

Many people take this verse as if Jesus were speaking to all Christians. But the fact is that he is not. From John 14 to John 18 Jesus is at the last supper speaking specifically to the Apostles. What he is telling them is not meant for all of us. Take for example John 14:12:
"Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works  that I do, and will do greater ones  than these."

This is very specific. The Apostles did do works as great or greater than Jesus. They raised people from the dead, healed the sick etc., just as Jesus told them they would. Have you done works greater than Jesus? I know I have not, nor do I know of anyone that has. This is because we are not suppose to. Jesus was speaking specifically to the Apostles.

We have to make sure that we pay attention to whom the Scriptures are directed at. People make assumptions that all the Scriptures were written for all the people of all the ages. This is not the case. Although we can always learn valuable lessons from all the Scriptures, we must observe to whom, and for what purpose a particular Scripture was written. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians he addressed a specific problem that they were having. He did not write to them with the idea that his letter would become part of the New Testament and would be applicable to all Christians everywhere. Many parts are applicable to all Christians, such as advice on Christian living etc. But we must not take that to mean that every Scripture is meant for all people of all times.

As we shall see, the Spirit of God is in us, but not in the same way that it was in the Apostles and the first Christians. That was specific to that time period, when the church was not yet mature.

First, we must define what it means to be "spiritual," to live "in the spirit."  Does that mean that we have the Holy Spirit living in us as the Apostles did, actively guiding our every move, telling us "go there," "do not go there." I do not believe so.  To be "spiritual" or to "live in the spirit" means to live in accordance with the will of God. To be able to discern and follow His will. If we follow our own desires, we are "of the flesh." If we live in the flesh we are really following our own will (mind) and not the will (mind) of God. This is why our minds have to be renewed. Let's take a look at a few examples:

Romans 12:2: "Do not conform yourself to this age but be transformed by the renewal of your mind (spirit), that you may discern what is the will of God" (being spiritual).

Romans 7:25: "Therefore I with my mind (spirit) serve the law of God (his will) but, with my flesh, the law of sin."

Ephesians 4:17: "Do not live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds (flesh); darkened in understanding, alienated from the life of God (spirit)."

Galatians 5:16: "Live by the Spirit (a mind that follows the will of God) and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh" (our own desires).

1 Peter 4:2: "So as not to spend what remains of one's life in the flesh on human desires, but on the will of God" (on spiritual things).

Romans 8:7-9: "For the concern of the flesh is hostility towards God; it does not submit to the law of God, nor can it; and those who are in the flesh (following their own will) cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh; on the contrary, you are in the spirit (in the will of God), if only the Spirit of God (mind, mind-set of God) dwells in you."

In other words, you are spiritual if you posses the knowledge or wisdom (of His will) that is from above (from God). Earthly wisdom is considered unspiritual. James 3:15 is an excellent example:
"Do not boast and be false to the truth. Wisdom of this kind does not come from above (from God) but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic."

Paul says in the previous verse Romans 8:7-9 that we are in the spirit if the Spirit of God dwells in us. This is a reference to the indwelling of the Spirit of God in us which we hear so much about, and which is also confused with what the Apostles and the first Christians experienced. But what does it mean to have the Spirit of God dwelling in us? Do we have God's Holy Spirit actually living in us, or do the writers of the New Testament mean something else? What do they mean when they use the word "dwell?" Let's look at some examples:

2 John verse 2: "Because the truth dwells in us."

Romans 7:17: "So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."

Romans 7:18: "For I know that good does not dwell in me."

1 Colossians 3:16: "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly."

Do these verses imply that Greek-type spirits called truth, sin, good, and word of Christ come and live in us? Of course not. Dwelling means that it is inherent in your being, in your way of thinking. Truth dwells in you in that your mind has accepted the concept of truth and it is now a part of your belief system, in this way the truth is in you. The word of Christ dwells in you in the sense that you believe the teachings of Jesus and have incorporated them into your life. These teachings are now inherent in your way of thinking, it is in this sense that they are in you, i.e. "dwell in you."

We have God in us (dwelling in us) when we are filled with the knowledge of His will. We have God in us when we accept His teachings which Jesus revealed to us. This is how the Spirit (mind) of God is in us.

2 John verse 9: "Anyone who is so "progressive" as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not [/b]have God[/b]; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son."

1 John 2:24: "Let what you heard from the beginning (the word) remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will remain in the Son and the Father."

1 John 2:5: "But whoever keeps his word, the love of God is truly perfected in him. This is the way we may know that we are in union with him."

Colossians 1:9-10: "asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding."

The gospel which is God's plan of salvation for us (the kingdom of God message), which is His will, is reflective of the mind of God. My mind is reflective of me. It reflects who I am as a person. The gospel is referred to many times in the New Testament as the "word of God," or just the "word." The gospel (His word) is the expression of God's thoughts. In other words, the gospel is the mind of God. The mind of God is God. Another way of saying it is, "the gospel is God," or: "THE WORD WAS GOD" (John 1:1).

When we truly believe and accept the word (will) of God with our minds and hearts, the Spirit (mind-set) of God dwells in us. It is an integral part of our being. It is in us.  We are now one in mind with God.

To some people this concept is frightening, mostly because people like to think that God is actually living inside their bodies and guiding them through this life. But in a sense He is. If we live in the spirit (His will), the Spirit (mind-set) of God dwells in us. He has not left us alone, he has given us a renewed mind, a new way of thinking that will guide us in our journey to His glorious kingdom to come.

See you at the resurrection!
By Juan Baixeras


Paul

[rosered]

 

 I love acts 17  for this reason  Paul explains the ressurection   very well here  :thumbsup:  and the very Spirit  of God among us ..


Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.


Act 17:18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

Act 17:19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, [is]?


Act 17:20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.


Act 17:21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)


Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.


 

Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;


Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;


Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:


Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.


Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:


Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this [matter].


Act 17:33 So Paul departed from among them.

[Molly]

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

--Rom 8

"carnal"

G4561
σάρξ
sarx
sarx
Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): - carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).



"mind

G5427
φρόνημα
phronēma
fron'-ay-mah
From G5426; (mental) inclination or purpose: - (be, + be carnally, + be spiritually) mind (-ed).



So we have a 'flesh mind.'   Is this 'flesh mind' the spirit of man?  Does flesh give rise to some type of spirit?  An inclination or purpose could be--sounds like-- spirit...


It's impossible to please God without faith.  And we can't have faith without Christ.


...but we have the mind of Christ. [1 Cor 2:16


This 'mind' is a different greek word; it actually means intellect:

"mind" [of Christ]

G3563
νοῦς
nous
nooce
Probably from the base of G1097; the intellect, that is, mind (divine or human; in thought, feeling, or will); by implication meaning: - mind, understanding. Compare G5590.


 

[Molly]

So the soul without the Spirit of God is a flesh mind?

This is not good.  Flesh dies.

[Molly]

Molly have you ran "thoughts" and "heart" together in scripture?

Because I dont think the definition to eternal life is "to know God" rather it speaks of it by way of time verses intimacy

Having his mind is about as intimate as it gets lol.

[Molly]

So the soul without the Spirit of God is a flesh mind?

This is not good.  Flesh dies.

Depends on how you look at it, if death reigned from Adam to Moses and to be carnally minded is that death is it talking about  the physical flesh after a physical truth or the spiritual truth concerning a fleshly mind.

For example the BODY without the spirit is dead and there are those who live for pleasure who are dead while they live, and their bodies are walking around enjoying themselves, which spirit? cause we are to test the spirits to see if they are of God cause in the same breath there are false prophets who have not the Spirit of God in them (mostly cause His Spirit is truth) so if they are false then theres no truth in them.

The man without the Spirit of Christ is none of His it says and His Spirit is the determining factor of whether one is in the flesh after a spiritual truth cause we all are in the flesh after a natural truth right?

He says if we do not have the Spirit of Christ we are in the flesh.  And, if we are in the flesh we have a flesh mind.  Which is probably, like Eve, influenced by all sorts of extraneous demon spirits of lying and so forth.

I'm thinking this flesh mind is as good as it gets without Christ.  And, as we know, the flesh is a roller coaster ride of hormones and desires.  Then if the accuser moves into the top floor, annie bar the door, it can get really unpleasant.

But his mind is peace and love.

[Molly]

So the soul without the Spirit of God is a flesh mind?

This is not good.  Flesh dies.

Depends on how you look at it, if death reigned from Adam to Moses and to be carnally minded is that death is it talking about  the physical flesh after a physical truth or the spiritual truth concerning a fleshly mind.

For example the BODY without the spirit is dead and there are those who live for pleasure who are dead while they live, and their bodies are walking around enjoying themselves, which spirit? cause we are to test the spirits to see if they are of God cause in the same breath there are false prophets who have not the Spirit of God in them (mostly cause His Spirit is truth) so if they are false then theres no truth in them.

The man without the Spirit of Christ is none of His it says and His Spirit is the determining factor of whether one is in the flesh after a spiritual truth cause we all are in the flesh after a natural truth right?

He says if we do not have the Spirit of Christ we are in the flesh.  And, if we are in the flesh we have a flesh mind.  Which is probably, like Eve, influenced by all sorts of extraneous demon spirits of lying and so forth.

I'm thinking this flesh mind is as good as it gets without Christ.  And, as we know, the flesh is a roller coaster ride of hormones and desires.  Then if the accuser moves into the top floor, annie bar the door, it can get really unpleasant.

But his mind is peace and love.

I agree but in otherwords he is also saying if we dont have the Spirit of Christ we are none of HIS  :grin:

She was influenced by a desire to become wise and be like God knowing good and evil not by a doughnut or a hormone shower  :grin:

doughnut?  did you say doughnut? :happygrin:

Yes but she was deceived by him.  She believed his lies that God was lying to her and she wouldn't die.

So there are other spirits floating around out there, all of them bad--and then there is the Spirit of Christ.

This flesh mind is the reason Paul keeps talking about his flesh as though it has a 'mind of its own.'

[Molly]

Of course, on the other hand, he gives us a heart of flesh so he can write on our hearts.  

Why does our heart need to be flesh, but everywhere else flesh is enmity to God?

Then there's the circumcision of the heart.

Is this the Word become flesh all over again?

[Molly]

Of course, on the other hand, he gives us a heart of flesh so he can write on our hearts.  

Why does our heart need to be flesh, but everywhere else flesh is enmity to God?

Then there's the circumcision of the heart.

Is this the Word become flesh all over again?

Turn these stones to bread?  :grin: Well a soft heart is better then a stony heart I suppose, but if Christ is fromed in us I would think the word becomes flesh in His body wouldnt you?

In his body?  Not sure what you mean.

flesh mind is bad.

flesh heart is good.

I'm reducing this to its simplest components lol.

God has a soft heart and a mind like a steel trap.   :bigGrin:

[Molly]

Of course, on the other hand, he gives us a heart of flesh so he can write on our hearts.  

Why does our heart need to be flesh, but everywhere else flesh is enmity to God?

Then there's the circumcision of the heart.

Is this the Word become flesh all over again?

Turn these stones to bread?  :grin: Well a soft heart is better then a stony heart I suppose, but if Christ is fromed in us I would think the word becomes flesh in His body wouldnt you?

In his body?  Not sure what you mean.

flesh mind is bad.

flesh heart is good.

I'm reducing this to its simplest components lol.

God has a soft heart and a mind like a steel trap.   :bigGrin:

Are you trying for the knowledge of what is good and evil?  :grin:

He gives us a heart of flesh but doesnt want us to walk after the flesh?  :grin:

I throw that on my list of "must ask Him about this" stuff lol

Yes a heart of flesh...that's why he tells us to guard our hearts.  Doesn't he tell us that?

A heart of stone cannot forgive, cannot love.

[Molly]

ok how about ..."You cant throw a stone if its removed from ya"?  :grin:

Anyone ever hurt another person by throwing flesh at them?

hmm good point.

Last time I checked, I have one stone pebble left in my heart...

More like a callous, really..

[Molly]

Of course, on the other hand, he gives us a heart of flesh so he can write on our hearts.  

Why does our heart need to be flesh, but everywhere else flesh is enmity to God?

Then there's the circumcision of the heart.

Is this the Word become flesh all over again?

Turn these stones to bread?  :grin: Well a soft heart is better then a stony heart I suppose, but if Christ is fromed in us I would think the word becomes flesh in His body wouldnt you?

In his body?  Not sure what you mean.

flesh mind is bad.

flesh heart is good.

I'm reducing this to its simplest components lol.

God has a soft heart and a mind like a steel trap.   :bigGrin:

Are you trying for the knowledge of what is good and evil?  :grin:

He gives us a heart of flesh but doesnt want us to walk after the flesh?  :grin:

I throw that on my list of "must ask Him about this" stuff lol

Yes a heart of flesh...that's why he tells us to guard our hearts.  Doesn't he tell us that?

A heart of stone cannot forgive, cannot love.

I just throw up a shield and guard the entrance  :grin:

That works. lol

He tells us to take every thought captive, too.  So I guess once we have this mind of Christ and heart of flesh, we have to set up a fortress to guard them from outside influence?  The armor of God.

[Molly]

Sure sounds like a sheild dont let those firey darts get cha

Yes, we get armed to the teeth and then he drives out our enemies before us.

My type of battle!

[martincisneros]

I think our Spirit is simply the Spirit of the Father giving our Soul life. Our soul is our collective being, given life by the Spirit.

Then why would our spirit need to be sanctified, according to 1Thessalonians 5:23?  Isn't God's Spirit already sanctified?  Why would the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ need to be invoked over our spirit, according to Philemon 1:25, 2Corinthians 9, Hebrews 4, etc.?  Doesn't Holy Spirit already have God's grace invoked over His life?  And why would we need to be renewed in the spirit of our mind, according to Ephesians 4:23-24, so that we'd wear the new man?  Wouldn't Holy Spirit already have the new man?

[martincisneros]

I dont think the definition to eternal life is "to know God" rather it speaks of it by way of time verses intimacy

What about this?

3 Now it is eonian life that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Him Whom Thou dost commission, Jesus Christ. (John 17:3)