SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT

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GOD'S "CONVERSION" – Kenneth Larsen

God's "Conversion" : A mythological saga of our Heavenly Father's change
of character, as told by theologians, ancient and modern.

In Adam, all are dying, for the creation was subjected to vanity. 1
Cor. 15:22; Ro. 8:20. It was through one offense for all mankind for
condemnation. Ro. 5:18. We were all constituted sinners through the
disobedience of one man. Ro. 5:19. This collective perdition came
through no choice of ours as individuals, but is our inheritance, our
fate.

Nevertheless, so the story goes, there came a time when God, wanting
to conform His doings to the highest ethical standards, set Himself
upon a radically different course. Henceforth, He would not act
arbitrarily, but only in accordance with the rights and sovereign
choices of the individual; from then on He was to obtain permission
from His creature before acting on his or her behalf. In contrast to
the collective loss, salvation was to be an individual matter, and
subject to obtaining cooperation from His subjects. No more "spiritual
collectivism"; now God had enthusiastically embraced the "spiritual
free market". Our Heavenly Father was now, henceforth and officially,
a "Gentleman", and would no longer force anything upon anyone; He
would subject His will that all mankind be saved to the whims of the
very creation He had formerly confined under collective condemnation.
1 Tim. 2:1-6. The "plan of salvation" would consist of Christ offering
salvation to all, and then being satisfied with whatever percentage He
could manage to save. Isaiah 53. He would be honorifically titled "the
Savior of all mankind", but that would really amount to nothing more
than wishful thinking, for He would especially (that is, only, as the
story goes) save those who believe during this life. 1 Tim. 4:9-11.

Did God truly change His dealings with mankind? Does He really change?
Of course not! Mal. 3:6; Heb. 1:12; 13:8; Jn. 14:9; 10:30. "For even
as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be
vivified." 1 Cor. 15:22. "Even as... thus also..."- In similar fashion to
the collective death, is the collective life! Romans 5:15- "But not as
the offense, thus also the grace. For if, by the offense of the one,
the many died, much rather the grace of God and the gratuity in grace,
which is of the One Man, Jesus Christ, to the many superabounds." Who
are the many who died because of Adam's offense? All mankind. And so,
much rather, God's gratuity in grace, through Christ's perfect life
and obedience to the death of the cross, SUPERABOUNDS to the many- all
mankind! Does the salvation of some of those lost suggest a
superabundance of grace? No! Does a collective, obligatory
condemnation to sin and death, coupled with an individual, optional
justification of life constitute a superabundance of grace? Not by a
long shot! God subjected the creation to vanity in HOPE! Ro. 8:20. Did
He hope that the entrance of sin would cause even one to be
permanently lost? Of course not! Lk. 15:3-32.

Ro. 5:18, 19- "Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for
all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award
for all mankind for life's justifying. For even as, through the
disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus
also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted
just." As it was through Adam (a collective condemnation), THUS ALSO
it will be through Christ (a collective justification of life)! God
promises a universal reconciliation. Col. 1:15-20; Phil. 2:5-11. He
will draw all creation to Himself, using whatever loving means He has
at His disposal, including judgments. Jn. 12:32; 1:9-13; 1 Cor.
3:10-15; Lk. 12:45-49. Our Heavenly Father will confer faith and
repentance upon all, at the time He chooses. 2 Pt.3:9; Acts 5:31;
11:18; 17:31; 2 Tim. 2:25. Obviously, our stubborn will must be
subdued, but take heart, for "Not stronger that He are we!" 1 Cor.
10:22; Is. 45:22, 23. Our unchanging God will be All in all! 1 Cor.
15:20-28.

EDITOR'S NOTE

Some ask, Why does it say "the many" instead of "all" in Roman 5:19?

This is because the one disobedient man (Adam), and the One righteous Man (Christ) are put in a class by themselves. They are in contrast with "the many."

We may put it as follows:
The one disobedient man plus "the many" equals all mankind made sinners.
The One obedient Man plus "the many" equals all mankind made righteous.

That "the one" plus "the many" made sinners includes all mankind no one will deny.

Even so, "the One" plus "the many" made righteous is all-inclusive and guarantees the salvation of all mankind.

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GOD'S WRATH

God's wrath ends:
Micah 7:18 You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy.

Isaiah 57:16 I will not accuse them forever,
nor will I always be angry,
for then they would faint away because of me—
the very people I have created.

Rev 15:1 I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God's wrath is completed.

So God's wrath does not go on indefinitely; it is completed at some point.

All are to be reconciled:
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in the heavens, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Eph 1:9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,
10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in the heavens and on earth under Christ.

Ultimately God is all in all:
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
1 Cor 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

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GRACE,  PLUS NOTHING – James Coram

"This is not to say that our efforts are not essential or that there will be nothing for us to do since it is God Who saves us from our failings. To the contrary, God graciously saves us by causing us to work, "training us that, disowning irreverence and worldly desires, we should be living sanely and justly and devoutly in the current eon" Titus 2:11,12. But our efforts are merely a product; they are the means through which God saves us. We contribute nothing.

It is not a question of our discipline and volition, but of pride and self-reliance concerning our discipline and volition, of boasting in the flesh instead of glorying in the transforming power of God. As long as we continue to see ourselves, in the final sense, as the key to anything, we will remain proud, antagonistic to "the grace of God in truth" Col. 1:6.

It is one thing to conceive of ourselves, in a dutiful sense and relatively speaking, as "cooperating" with the Lord Jesus, as He leads us into paths of better service. It is quite another, however, proudly to fancy ourselves to be so utterly independent of the Supreme Deity Himself, the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, that even He is at a loss to change our will or walk without our help.

Luke 6:32-35 shows us what God's grace (thanks) is; He is gracious to the wicked, which means sinners like we all were when He was gracious to us. It's not that we have to preach so they can be saved, otherwise we're responsible for their "eternal damnation", and they have to receive the message (if we happen to present it to them), or else they will be eternally damned. Salvation is not based on human actions, but on divine actions. He chooses who to save and when, and at that moment, that soul is saved. And He will save all, as He has clearly said He will do.

We believe the message we heard, and we preach because we are so commanded, but God doesn't depend upon us to save ourselves, nor does He depend upon our conveying the message, to save others. He is the only Sovereign, and He so arranges EVERYTHING that each will be saved. Free will and chance are myths which have completely twisted the mindset of many Christians.

Luke 6:32-35 is a wonderful example of char'is (thanks or grace) - grace is not given in response to human cooperation; grace brings about a response on the part of the recipient, but the grace saves, not the response. God saves us freely, for the gratuity in grace to all mankind superabounds! Romans 5:15."

Matthew 11:23 is an example that whether or not we repent depends on God.
Sodom would have repented had the mighty works that Jesus did in Capernaum been done in Sodom.
The question of course arises, why didn't God send someone into Sodom to do those mighty works that would have caused their repentance?
The answer is that God decides when He will grant repentance just like He did for Saul of Tarsus.

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By Hannah Whitall Smith
"...I seemed to catch a fresh and clearer revelation of the depth of the misery that had been caused to human beings by sin. It was more than I could bear. I clenched my hands and cried out in my soul, "O, God, how canst Thou bear it? Thou mightest have prevented it, but didst not. Thou mightest even now change it, but Thou dost not. I do not see how Thou canst go on living, and endure it." I upbraided God. And I felt I was justified in doing so. Then suddenly God seemed to answer me. An inward voice said, in tones of infinite love and tenderness, "He shall see of the travail of His soul and be satisfied." "Satisfied!" I cried in my heart, "Christ is to be satisfied! He will be able to look at the world's misery, and then at the travail through which He has passed because of it, and will be satisfied with the result; If I were Christ, nothing could satisfy me but that every human being should in the end be saved, and therefore I am sure that nothing less will satisfy Him." And with this a veil seemed to be withdrawn from before the plans of the universe, and I saw that it was true, as the Bible says, that "as in Adam all die-even so in Christ should all be made alive." As was the first, even so was the second. The "all" in one case could not in fairness mean less than the "all" in the other. I saw therefore that the remedy must necessarily be equal to the disease, the salvation must be as universal as the fall.
I saw all this that day on the tram-car on Market street, Philadelphia -- not only thought it, or hoped it, or even believed it--but knew it. It was a Divine fact. And from that moment I have never had one questioning thought as to the final destiny of the human race. God is the Creator of every human being, therefore He is the Father of each one, and they are all His children; and Christ died for every one, and is declared to be "the propitiation not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2). However great the ignorance therefore, or however grievous the sin, the promise of salvation is positive and without limitations. If it is true that "by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation," it is equally true that "by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." To limit the last "all men" is also to limit the first. The salvation is absolutely equal to the fall. There is to be a final "restitution of all things," when "at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Every knee, every tongue- words could not be more embracing. The how and the when I could not see; but the one essential fact was all I needed- somewhere and somehow God was going to make every thing right for all the creatures He had created. My heart was at rest about it forever.
I hurried home to get hold of my Bible, to see if the magnificent fact I had discovered could possibly have been all this time in the Bible, and I had not have seen it; and the moment I entered the house, I did not wait to take off my bonnet, but rushed at once to the table where I always kept my Bible and Concordance ready for use, and began my search. Immediately the whole Book seemed to be illuminated. On every page the truth concerning the "times of restitution of all things" of which the Apostle Peter says "God Hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began," shone forth, and no room was left for questioning. I turned greedily from page to page of my Bible, fairly laughing aloud for joy at the blaze of light that illuminated it all. It became a new book. Another skin seemed to have been peeled off every text, and my Bible fairly shone with a new meaning. I do not say with a different meaning, for in no sense did the new meaning contradict the old, but a deeper meaning, the true meaning, hidden behind the outward form of words. The words did not need to be changed, they only needed to be understood; and now at last I began to understand them."
A snippet from The Unselfishness of God and How I Discovered It
By Hannah Whitall Smith
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/unselfishness-of-god.htm

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ALL FOR JESUS

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THE GLORY OF THE HAPPY GOD – ARTHUR CHARLES LAMB

"We read in 1Tim. 1:11 that Paul was entrusted with the evangel of the glory of the happy God. We read in 1Tim. 2:4 that God wills that all mankind be saved and come into a knowledge of the truth, and that Christ Jesus gave Himself a correspondent ransom for all (2:6).

Our God is a happy God. In Ephesians 1:10,11 we learn of the secret of God's will, and this accords with His delight. It gives God joy and happiness and delight to purpose and bring about 'an administration of the complement of the eras, to head up all in the Christ.'
Such an evangel is certainly for the laud of His glory."

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HE THAT ENDURES TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED

https://bible.org/question/does-matt-2413-conflict-free-grace-salvation-and-believer%E2%80%99s-security

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A UNIVERSAL SALVATION THESIS THAT IMO SHOULD BE ON
THE REQUIRED READING LIST OF ALL BIBLE SCHOOLS

HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram
http://concordant.org/expositions/his-achievement-are-we/

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HOPE BEYOND HELL - GERRY BEAUCHEMIN...
A recently published book that shows why Gerry believes that the Bible teaches universal salvation.
Read the reviews first – just a suggestion.
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/what-others-are-saying/

HOPE BEYOND HELL - GERRY BEAUCHEMIN...
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/ 
It can be downloaded FREE and read online.

HOPE BEYOND HELL BOOK AUDIO  - Gerry Beauchemin
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/audio-book-with-text/

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HORNETS   :laughing7:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/642895-hornet-song.html

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HOW I RECOVERED

WHAT I WISH I HAD KNOWN DURING MY YOUTH ---
How I recovered from a 12 year nervous breakdown (1966-78)  I'm 79 years old.

My name is Rodger Tutt. I am 79 years old. I could have avoided a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78) had I known as a youth about the following information concerning what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches.

BOOKS THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION,
THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF WHICH CAN BE READ ONLINE

If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into your browser address bar.

0. ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html 
1. HOPE BEYOND HELL - Gerry Beauchemin (recently published)
http://tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
2. CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm   
3. THE BIBLE HELL - J.W. Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html 
4. THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT – Thomas Thayer
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html 
5. THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – Dr. Loyal Hurley
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm   
6. JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "HELL" - J. Preston Eby
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm 
7. ONE HUNDRED SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND - Thomas Whittemore
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html 
8. TWENTY-FOUR SERMONS ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION – John Bovee Dods
http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top   
9. THE SECOND DEATH AND THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew Jukes
http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm   
10. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND – Erasmus Manford
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html   
11. THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS – J. Patching
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html 
12. BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT DO NOT TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT – Gary Amirault
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html   
13. AION – AIONIOS – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html   
14. BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html   
15. THE CASE OF JUDAS, ETCETERA - Louis Abbott
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html   
16. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL – John Essex
AND THE ROLE OF THE ADVERSARY – James Webb
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html 
17. HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram
http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html   
18. THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew Jukes
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/jukes2.html   
19. THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – George Hawtin
http://www.godfire.net/restitutionHawtin.html
20. THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD SERIES – J. Preston Eby
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm 
ESPECIALLY THIS ONE IN THAT SERIES
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm   
21. THE PURPOSE OF EVIL – A.P. Adams
http://thegloryrd.com:80/apadams/evil.html   
22. TEN REASONS NOT TO BELIEVE THE TEACHING OF ETERNAL TORTURE - Thomas Kissinger
http://www.completerestorationinchrist.org/reasons-not.html
23. IS HELL ETERNAL OR WILL GOD'S PLAN FAIL? – Charles Pridgeon
http://www.archive.org/stream/willgodsplanfail00priduoft#page/n13/mode/2up 
24. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL AND THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD – A.E. Knoch 
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/index.html   
25. GOD'S EONIAN PURPOSE
http://www.gtft.org/Library/loudy/GodsEonianPurpose/GodsEonianPurpose00.htm  - Adlai Loudy
26. THE TRUE BASIS OF REDEMPTION – A.P. Adams
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TrueBasisOfRedemption-APAdams.html
27. THREE TREASURE HOUSES OF CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST ARTICLES
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/articles2.html 
http://tgulcm.tripod.com/cu/univart.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20110713224225/http:/gtft.org/

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SOME PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON "I NEVER KNEW YOU"

"There is no better place than being in the hands of God."
For a UR that is definitely true!
But for an ETer, probably not, because they might turn out to be one of these guys.

"Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils, and in Thy Name have done many wonderful works? And then I will profess unto them I never knew you. Depart from Me ye who work iniquity' (Matt. 7:22,23).

We could probably add to those declarations that many, in astonishment, will also say, -- "but my name should be right there in the book of life because I got myself saved in Your Name!"

They fully expect to go right into heaven based on what they had done in the Name of Jesus.
Instead, Jesus will cast them into the lake of fire which is the second death which will include kolasis aionion, which means age-during corrective chastisement.

It is God, not us, who decides who will or will not be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death.

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If you cannot love an endless hell god

QUESTION TO ME BY A POSTER
"In your own words, please explain why you find it so important to 'evangelize' so zealously.
Thank you."

Because many people are unable to love a god who would let anyone choose themselves into a state of inescapable everlasting suffering.

I'm 79 and the idea that God lets anyone suffer forever caused me more suffering, including a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78, than all the other sufferings of my life combined.

This suffering was caused by the fear produced by not being able to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever and wondering what this god would do to me for not being able to love him. Even though I was and am trusting for my salvation in what Jesus accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross, I was, and still am unable to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Here are testimonies similar to mine.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html 

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html 

If you are like me and cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.

[darryl]

agreed...'hellists' love to speak of God's 'justice'...God must punish sin....but is it truly 'justice' to punish people endlessly, forever ?....to create or allow a person to come into existence all the while knowing that person will experience eternal misery...so, on top of all the oceans of scarlet blood spilt  in wars etc since human kind appeared on earth...on top of all the pain, agony and turmoil people have experienced, both physical and mental..on top of all this, countless millions will be cast into 'hell' to suffer forever ?....and all the while, an omniscient God knew this was going to happen ?...knew that he was bringing into existence a system which results in incomprehensible suffering for millions not only in this world but in the world to come....who could possibly, deep down, love a god like this....I know I couldnt......I would fear such a god but love ?... thank God the God we believers in UR accept, is not that evil 'eternal hellist' god but the true God who ultimately saves and redeems all !

[marie glen]

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html 

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html 

is it truly 'justice' to punish people endlessly, forever ?....to create or allow a person to come into existence all the while knowing that person will experience eternal misery...so, on top of all the oceans of scarlet blood spilt  in wars etc since human kind appeared on earth...on top of all the pain, agony and turmoil people have experienced, both physical and mental..on top of all this, countless millions will be cast into 'hell' to suffer forever ?....

I never really took the hell, or angry God story to be true. I was 'lucky' to not be raised in it, and perhaps to have a problem with authority figures, so I never took to church. Though I did think for a short time there might be literal 'children of satan', so evil they would perish forever. But that was ridiculous and it echoed every hatred there'd ever been.. I liked reading the post on the second link, of the guy who reasoned it out. These stories and accounts certainly show the truth of we can discern something's worth by its fruit! How sad.. It's very true too that it has led to a lot of atheism. And I think, a lot of atheist folks who, ironically, seem to hate God.. But of course it's that more satanic type 'god'... :doh: :faint:

a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.

Amen. :iagree: ..That is 100% true. :dsunny: :cloud9: I believe God's Word is permeated with UR. The 'wrong way' leads to destruction and ruin, but there's no "forever" about it! The translators ran with it. Over and over. But sometimes nowadays, I think a lot of Christians don't really take the hell bit seriously..( :dontknow: ) But then they don't let their selves care too much about others, lest it turn out to be literally true after all. (Which thank God, we know to be merely an insane idea! Truly.) And then of course there's other folks who are just plain horribly mean. Or maybe they're deranged. Yes, it is a form of derangement..

Thanks for the chance to rant a bit! I've gotten much more outspoken about UR these days, too.

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Infant Salvation
Believers in eternal torment are divided in their opinion about the fate of infants who die.

Some, who believe in God's sovereign election of the "few", also believe that non-elect babies who die will spend eternity suffering in hell. I have heard that John Calvin said, "There are babies a span long in hell".

Others consider this unfair, and assert that infants who die will spend eternity in heavenly bliss. This of course is true, but not because the child is innocent. It's true because the Scriptures teach that God intends to save everyone from everything that they need to be saved from.

A few years ago there was a story in a Montreal paper about an Ohio lady who drowned her baby in the bathtub. Her defense was that she loved the baby so much that she wanted to make sure that her child would not have to suffer forever in hell. After serving a sentence she remarried, had another child and drowned it for the same reason. She trusted that God would forgive her because her intention, though warped by false theology, was for the good of her children.
The jury decided that she was mentally ill, BUT WAS SHE? The simple pragmatic fact remains that if evangelicals are right, her two infants will spend eternity in heavenly bliss because she loved them so much that she insured, by killing them, that this will be so.

Apparently, believers in eternal torment believe that there is a magical split-second in time before which a child, if they die, will go to heaven, and after which, if they die will spend eternity suffering in hell. They call this "the age of accountability".
If I believed this nonsense I might take a gun into the largest maternity ward in Toronto and before the police arrived, kill every infant who had just been born. This would cause an enormous amount of suffering to the parents, but this wouldn't matter much in the long run, because probably most of them (according to evangelical theology) are destined to suffer forever in hell anyway, so why not save their babies from the same fate?
Don't try to argue that what I would be doing would be wrong *(Thou Shalt Not Kill). The fact remains that my act would, in fact insure the babies' eternal salvation. If evangelicals right, then infanticide would certainly be one of the most effective ways of "saving souls". Besides, God forgives murder, especially when it is done for such a noble, though misguided cause.
Sure, they would lock me away in an institution, but I would spend my life reveling in the glow of the emotional high of knowing that I had, beyond any shadow of a doubt (even in the mind of evangelicals) guaranteed the salvation of the babies that I had killed.

Folks, the actual truth about the matter is much more sane and blessed. The Scriptures teach that salvation is all of the Lord, and He will not fail to save everyone of us according to His own timing. No one will be able to boast in His presence and say "I have saved my self from eternal hell by exercising my faith in God's provision." God will get all of the glory for everyone's salvation.

The important issue never should be "what is right or what is wrong". The only really important issue is, "What is God going to do with the person who is wrong? !" The Scriptures teach that God will fit every one of us into His master-plan in a positive way, and He will use our temporary involvement with sin to teach us the lessons that He wants us to learn. As my 104 year old Dad often said, "That's what makes Him God!"
(Afterthought) - If abortionists are, for all practical purposes, among the most effective "soul-savers" in the world, why do evangelicals get so upset with them?!
* Believers in eternal torment kill each other in war for less worthy causes!

[joeteekay]

Having been raised a Catholic, I understand the importance placed on infant baptism and christening. For a Catholic, infant baptism cancels out "original sin" and ensures that the death of an baptized infant results in avoiding hell and going to "heaven".

From the web:
The Catholic Sacrament of Baptism. Baptism is the one sacrament that all Christian denominations share in common. In the Catholic Church, infants are baptized to welcome them into the Catholic faith and to free them from the original sin they were born with.

Well written Rodger.

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INSANITY

Does traditional Christianity cause insanity? Many seem to think so. This video is the story a pastor and his daughter of their journey from the traditional turn or burn gospel to the Victorious Gospel of Jesus Christ. Like it on Facebook and please send links to your family and friends. Gary Amirault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDnZRms3XZE

It is absurd to say that Jesus would not be doing it !!!
https://www.godfire.net/eby/circularity.html

CONSEQUENSES OF TEACHING THE DOCTRINE OF "ETERNAL HELL"
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html

Child Sacrifice in Christianity? Yep!! Watch:
Christian Molech Worship by Tentmaker Ministries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKuhBdWbJXQ

[jugghead]

I just wanted to let you know Rodger, I can not even imagine what you went through with your nervous breakdown ..... even with what I went through I would not wish it upon my worst enemy and it was nothing compared to your testimony.

watching the two videos of Gary that you posted and reading the others, it is no wonder why you and Gary do the things you do in trying to get "THE VICTORIOUS GOSPEL" out to those who are suffering.

My walk started with a single word called "compassion" ..... and with all I have come to understand since that day (12/12/2005), compassion for others is what this world lacks, it was what I lacked, for without compassion, forgiveness is impossible.

Even if I am never able to do the works you guys do in bringing "This Gospel" to others, I have my part and I have peace in it. I also know, in which others also understand, that no one member is greater than another for we all work together as one.

Our convictions are the same in the extra gift each has been given.

Blessings Brother

[rodgertutt]

Thanks jugghead  :HeartThrob:

IS GOD STRONG ENOUGH? – Kenneth Larson
"For which of you, wanting to build a tower, is not first seated to calculate the expense, to see if he has the wherewithal?- lest at some time, he laying a foundation and not being strong enough to finish up, all those beholding should begin to scoff at him, saying that 'This man begins building and is not strong enough to finish up!'" Lk. 14:28-30. God's perfect foundation is Christ Jesus. 1 Cor. 3:11; Is. 28:16; Lk. 20:17; Heb. 5:7-9. What God is building on His foundation is a perfect, reconciled creation. Ro. 8:20, 21; Col. 1:15-20; 1 Cor. 15:20-28; Phil. 2:5-11.
God is strong enough to reconcile all, for He controls all hearts. Is. 26:12; 2 Chronicles 30:12; Rev. 17:17. God has a purpose- a will for creation. Eph. 1:9-11; 3:11. God "wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth." 1 Tim. 2:4. And "All that Yahweh delights He does, in the heavens and on earth, in the seas and every abyss" Ps. 135:6; see Is. 46:10 and John 1:29.

Christ will draw all to Himself. Jn. 12:32. Our stubbornness and unbelief are no match for Almighty God. Romans 11:32. "Not stronger than He are we!" 1 Cor. 10:22. God is a perfect Savior, and He is more than strong enough to save all. 1 Tim. 4:9-11; Is. 53; Matt. 19:25, 26."

[rodgertutt]

IT IS WELL WITH MY SOUL – HORATIO STAFFORD

Though trials should come, let this blessed assurance control, that Christ has regarded my helpless estate, and shed His own blood for my soul.

[darryl]

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html 

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html 

is it truly 'justice' to punish people endlessly, forever ?....to create or allow a person to come into existence all the while knowing that person will experience eternal misery...so, on top of all the oceans of scarlet blood spilt  in wars etc since human kind appeared on earth...on top of all the pain, agony and turmoil people have experienced, both physical and mental..on top of all this, countless millions will be cast into 'hell' to suffer forever ?....

I never really took the hell, or angry God story to be true. I was 'lucky' to not be raised in it, and perhaps to have a problem with authority figures, so I never took to church. Though I did think for a short time there might be literal 'children of satan', so evil they would perish forever. But that was ridiculous and it echoed every hatred there'd ever been.. I liked reading the post on the second link, of the guy who reasoned it out. These stories and accounts certainly show the truth of we can discern something's worth by its fruit! How sad.. It's very true too that it has led to a lot of atheism. And I think, a lot of atheist folks who, ironically, seem to hate God.. But of course it's that more satanic type 'god'... :doh: :faint:

a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.

Amen. :iagree: ..That is 100% true. :dsunny: :cloud9: I believe God's Word is permeated with UR. The 'wrong way' leads to destruction and ruin, but there's no "forever" about it! The translators ran with it. Over and over. But sometimes nowadays, I think a lot of Christians don't really take the hell bit seriously..( :dontknow: ) But then they don't let their selves care too much about others, lest it turn out to be literally true after all. (Which thank God, we know to be merely an insane idea! Truly.) And then of course there's other folks who are just plain horribly mean. Or maybe they're deranged. Yes, it is a form of derangement..

Thanks for the chance to rant a bit! I've gotten much more outspoken about UR these days, too.

yes, u may not have been raised in the concept of 'eternal hell' but, as u no doubt know, the evangelical church in the USA is permeated with the 'eternal hell' belief...in fact, the belief in an 'eternal hell' is one of the pillars of faith in most evangelical 'born again' type denominations e.g. the Southern Baptists, the Assemblies of God, etc etc etc. So, one inevitably comes up against this belief in eternal punishment  if one is involved in the USA evangelical church in any way. As you live in the States I'm sure u know this already...however, am I right in understanding you do not attend church ?...especially an evangelical church ?.If so, you may not have come up against it.   :dsunny:

[rodgertutt]

ITCHING EARS

Sometimes believers in eternal torment and annihilation like to say that 2Tim. 4:3&4 about a time coming when people will have "itching ears" and will turn to believing myths or fables, refers to believers in universal salvation.
But I think it refers to believers in eternal torment and annihilation instead because most Christians closest to the time of Jesus believed in universal salvation.

ETers and ANers like to have their itching ears scratched by listening to sermons based on the myth or fable that only people who believe like they do before they die are going to avoid suffering forever in "hell" or be annihilated.

Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html
The author, J.W. Hanson wrote "The purpose of this book is to present the evidence of the prevalence in the early centuries of the Christian church, of the doctrine of the final holiness of all mankind. The author believes that the following pages show that Universal Restitution was the faith of the early Christians for at least the First Five Hundred Years of the Christian era. He has aimed to present irrefragable proofs that the doctrine of Universal Salvation was the prevalent sentiment of the primitive Christian church.
The salient statements and facts in all which will be found in these pages show that the most and ablest of the early fathers found the deliverance of all mankind from sin and sorrow specifically revealed in the Christian Scriptures."

And they were reading the Bible in its original language!

[MusicLover123]

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html 

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html 

is it truly 'justice' to punish people endlessly, forever ?....to create or allow a person to come into existence all the while knowing that person will experience eternal misery...so, on top of all the oceans of scarlet blood spilt  in wars etc since human kind appeared on earth...on top of all the pain, agony and turmoil people have experienced, both physical and mental..on top of all this, countless millions will be cast into 'hell' to suffer forever ?....

I never really took the hell, or angry God story to be true. I was 'lucky' to not be raised in it, and perhaps to have a problem with authority figures, so I never took to church. Though I did think for a short time there might be literal 'children of satan', so evil they would perish forever. But that was ridiculous and it echoed every hatred there'd ever been.. I liked reading the post on the second link, of the guy who reasoned it out. These stories and accounts certainly show the truth of we can discern something's worth by its fruit! How sad.. It's very true too that it has led to a lot of atheism. And I think, a lot of atheist folks who, ironically, seem to hate God.. But of course it's that more satanic type 'god'... :doh: :faint:

a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.

Amen. :iagree: ..That is 100% true. :dsunny: :cloud9: I believe God's Word is permeated with UR. The 'wrong way' leads to destruction and ruin, but there's no "forever" about it! The translators ran with it. Over and over. But sometimes nowadays, I think a lot of Christians don't really take the hell bit seriously..( :dontknow: ) But then they don't let their selves care too much about others, lest it turn out to be literally true after all. (Which thank God, we know to be merely an insane idea! Truly.) And then of course there's other folks who are just plain horribly mean. Or maybe they're deranged. Yes, it is a form of derangement..

Thanks for the chance to rant a bit! I've gotten much more outspoken about UR these days, too.

yes, u may not have been raised in the concept of 'eternal hell' but, as u no doubt know, the evangelical church in the USA is permeated with the 'eternal hell' belief...in fact, the belief in an 'eternal hell' is one of the pillars of faith in most evangelical 'born again' type denominations e.g. the Southern Baptists, the Assemblies of God, etc etc etc. So, one inevitably comes up against this belief in eternal punishment  if one is involved in the USA evangelical church in any way. As you live in the States I'm sure u know this already...however, am I right in understanding you do not attend church ?...especially an evangelical church ?.If so, you may not have come up against it.   :dsunny:

Agreed!  :dsunny:

Interesting to me, though, is that those who speak about hell are called Pharisees, and those who speak against it are worse than unbelievers.

[marie glen]

yes, u may not have been raised in the concept of 'eternal hell' but, as u no doubt know, the evangelical church in the USA is permeated with the 'eternal hell' belief...in fact, the belief in an 'eternal hell' is one of the pillars of faith in most evangelical 'born again' type denominations e.g. the Southern Baptists, the Assemblies of God, etc etc etc. So, one inevitably comes up against this belief in eternal punishment  if one is involved in the USA evangelical church in any way. As you live in the States I'm sure u know this already...however, am I right in understanding you do not attend church ?...especially an evangelical church ?.If so, you may not have come up against it.   :dsunny:

I don't attend church.. I used to feel a little 'guilty' to not do so.. but I always found myself 'conforming'.. then I wasn't me anymore.. idk, it made me very uncomfortable, I felt like a phoney.. but was likely for that reason, rather than because of doctrine or attitude I disagreed with.. though there was that too.

I did enjoy worshiping with others, but I didn't stay involved with the church(es) very long. Now I'm glad I let myself come away from the churches. It's been a freedom. I do come across it (ET/ECT) a lot on the world wide web though!! :faint: Which is shocking to me, as it's so totally lacking in any sort of logic.. I don't care how 'they' try.. I believe the hell myth keeps people from being able to "believe" and is in part responsible for the rise of atheism in what used to be called Christendom.. In place of church, over the years, I've thought of my home and our humble acre as a sort of monastery (I have a blog about it " listening to God in the silence" https://inner-monastery.blogspot.com/ ) for the pursuit of God. ...monastery, just in my own mind of course :laughing7:

[rodgertutt]

J. Preston Eby

TESTIMONY OF RODGER TUTT
My wife Helen and I spent forty years of our lives distributing Christian literature. We are in our seventies now. The following testimony video by J. Preston Eby is an example of the power of literature. One critic thinks that Preston should have let the book burn up that his dad threw into the fire. But as a result of reading that book instead of letting it burn up, Preston later wrote the following expositional series based on his further studies of the Bible.

TESTIMONY VIDEO OF J. PRESTON EBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEwcWR8kxUs&feature=sub

See the following great sixteen chapter introductory series to ultimate reconciliation. J. Preston Eby does a thorough job covering many aspects of the topic.  Fundamental reading for any person interested in studying universal salvation from a solid biblical perspective.
Highly Recommended!
https://www.godfire.net/eby/saviour_of_the_world.html