The Hell Thread

[Joanna]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHEusBG20c

Should this song have been banned or censured? It was a hit in Britain in the 1960s.

[Tom]

I remember that crazy song. No, I don't think they should have banned it. Maybe they should play it in church because all it's doing is telling it like it is even though most people don't want to think about it or talk about it.

[Joanna]

It could be used as an anti-hell song.

[Tom]

I think it's a perfect picture of the insanity of the hell doctrine.

[micah7:9]

 :eek:

[marie glen]

  oh dear. I used to love to dance to that song.. especially the wind at the end.. But never knew the video.. nor the words.. I think it does show the insanity of the hell doctrine.. and maybe it should be required viewing in churches!

[Joanna]

First, here's Gary Amirault's video about what Reality Outreach are doing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bszxqm6m2E

Then this is the website of Reality Outreach:

www.realityoutreach.org

It seems that Reality Outreach want to get their message of 'be saved or go to hell' across blatently using drama.  I think they have got a nerve.

[Tom]

It really is sad that the lie of "hell" is considered to be the best way to get folks to commit to God, and those of us considered to be heretics are going to that imaginary "hell" simply for believing the truth of the word of God that all on the earth and in the heavens will be reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross so that God may be all in all.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: What's sad is that if that is their only reason for coming to God, He's probably feeling pretty shortchanged, I imagine.  :sigh:

[Tom]

Yeah, that really is the saddest thing about the lie of "hell," that it dishonors our loving Father by changing him into a sadistic fiend worse than all of the notorious mass murderers of humanity.

[HungerForTruth]

Yeah, that really is the saddest thing about the lie of "hell," that it dishonors our loving Father by changing him into a sadistic fiend worse than all of the notorious mass murderers of humanity.

awesome post   :iagree:

[Lazarus Short]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHEusBG20c

Should this song have been banned or censured? It was a hit in Britain in the 1960s.

I once owned the LP with that song on it, but it eventually got the awl, along with a lot of my rock & roll albums at the time.  I'd rather listen to Norman Greenbaum.

[Joanna]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sjv386O0Q

A song by the English band Sweet I heard as a child.

Chinn/Chapman 

Look out! 

Mama let me out on a saturday night, she said now 

Go out and get her go and hold her tight 

I said now Mama, you don't understand 

Ev'ry time I touch her hand 

It's like I'm burning in the fires of hell 

And if I hold her too long 

You never can tell what'll happen to me 

I wouldn't want you to see 

Look out 

She's a hell raiser, star chaser, trail blazer

Natural born raver, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 

She's a hell raiser, star chaser, trail blazer

Natural born raver, yeah, yeah, yeah 

Look out! 

She's like a live bomb shell 

Like a flash out of hell 

And when she's shaking her ooh 

Everyone fell at her feet 

And that's neat and she took me completely 

By surprise with her ultra sonic eyes 

That were flashing like hysterical danger signs 

That said beware where you tread 

Or you'll go out of your head 

Look out 

She's a hell raiser, star chaser, trail blazer

Natural born raver, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 

She's a hell raiser, star chaser, trail blazer

Natural born raver, yeah, yeah, yeah 

Look out! 



Hell raiser, hell raiser, hell raiser 

Hell raiser, hell raiser, ooh 

Now Mama, you don't understand 

Ev'ry time I touch her hand 

It's like I'm burning in the fires of hell 

And if I hold her too long 

You never can tell what'll happen to me 

I wouldn't want you to see... 

[omegaflare]

Jesus didn't go to hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that's isn't what  Luke 23:46 taught - his spirit went back to his father after Christ died on the cross!

There ya go, Baptist myth debunked!

[Lazarus Short]

Jesus didn't go to hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that's isn't what  Luke 23:46 taught - his spirit went back to his father after Christ died on the cross!

There ya go, Baptist myth debunked!

I think to say that Jesus went to Hell is close to blasphemy, but then Hell does not exist for Jesus, or anyone else, to go to.

[marie glen]

I can't help but think of how Jesus said "unless you repent ye shall all likewise perish".. that says to me, the result of non-reconciliation with God (if it were possible and not merely potential) results in perishing.. He didn't say "unless you repent you will live forever in torturous fire". ThAt, is an ancient pagan belief.. the "place of the dead" instead of the grave, first was a place or maybe state, then it became fiery.. Keep the people in line.. and some mad priest was used to institute fiery sacrifices..

[SevanthDay]

Jesus didn't go to hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that's isn't what  Luke 23:46 taught - his spirit went back to his father after Christ died on the cross!

There ya go, Baptist myth debunked!

I think to say that Jesus went to Hell is close to blasphemy, but then Hell does not exist for Jesus, or anyone else, to go to.

Hell (Hades)  is the grave physically but what is hell (Hades) spiritually?

God bless you,

SeventhDay

[SevanthDay]

Jesus didn't go to hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that's isn't what  Luke 23:46 taught - his spirit went back to his father after Christ died on the cross!

There ya go, Baptist myth debunked!

The soul without the spirit is dead!  :dsunny:

God bless you,

SeventhDay

[SevanthDay]

I can't help but think of how Jesus said "unless you repent ye shall all likewise perish".. that says to me, the result of non-reconciliation with God (if it were possible and not merely potential) results in perishing.. He didn't say "unless you repent you will live forever in torturous fire". ThAt, is an ancient pagan belief.. the "place of the dead" instead of the grave, first was a place or maybe state, then it became fiery.. Keep the people in line.. and some mad priest was used to institute fiery sacrifices..

Most of the time Jesus spoke in parables and in figurative language and hell is figurative in most cases whether Gehenna or Hades is mentioned.  :dsunny:

God bless you,

SeventhDay

[SevanthDay]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sjv386O0Q

A song by the English band Sweet I heard as a child.

Chinn/Chapman

Look out!

Mama let me out on a saturday night, she said now

Go out and get her go and hold her tight

I said now Mama, you don't understand

Ev'ry time I touch her hand

It's like I'm burning in the fires of hell

And if I hold her too long

You never can tell what'll happen to me

I wouldn't want you to see

Look out

She's a hell raiser, star chaser, trail blazer

Natural born raver, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

She's a hell raiser, star chaser, trail blazer

Natural born raver, yeah, yeah, yeah

Look out!

She's like a live bomb shell

Like a flash out of hell

And when she's shaking her ooh

Everyone fell at her feet

And that's neat and she took me completely

By surprise with her ultra sonic eyes

That were flashing like hysterical danger signs

That said beware where you tread

Or you'll go out of your head

Look out

She's a hell raiser, star chaser, trail blazer

Natural born raver, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

She's a hell raiser, star chaser, trail blazer

Natural born raver, yeah, yeah, yeah

Look out!



Hell raiser, hell raiser, hell raiser

Hell raiser, hell raiser, ooh

Now Mama, you don't understand

Ev'ry time I touch her hand

It's like I'm burning in the fires of hell

And if I hold her too long

You never can tell what'll happen to me

I wouldn't want you to see...

An unconverted soul is a hell raiser and the soul is a she (figuratively) and the spirit is a he (figuratively).

God bless you,

SeventhDay

[SevanthDay]

Yeah, that really is the saddest thing about the lie of "hell," that it dishonors our loving Father by changing him into a sadistic fiend worse than all of the notorious mass murderers of humanity.

I would not compare God to a good man or a wicked man and God created both!

You do not think man formed him self body and sou and spirit do you? Now what God made does he not determine what it is for and how it will function and how it will end up?

1Co 15:43  It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Co 15:44  It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Co 15:46  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1Co 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1Co 15:48  As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1Co 15:49  And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1Co 15:23  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Co 15:24  Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1Co 15:25  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

1Co 15:26  The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1Co 15:27  For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

1Co 15:28  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

God bless you,

SeventhDay





God bless you,

SeventhDay

[SevanthDay]

I remember when I first believed that everyone will be saved my first thought was "so Jesus really does love everyone."  :laughing7:

I believe many Christians believed that in the first four centuries after Jesus resurrection and it was taught in most of the schools.  :dsunny:

God bless you,

SeventhDay

[Lazarus Short]

Jesus didn't go to hell for 3 days and 3 nights, that's isn't what  Luke 23:46 taught - his spirit went back to his father after Christ died on the cross!

There ya go, Baptist myth debunked!

I think to say that Jesus went to Hell is close to blasphemy, but then Hell does not exist for Jesus, or anyone else, to go to.

Hell (Hades)  is the grave physically but what is hell (Hades) spiritually?

God bless you,

SeventhDay

Hell/Hades/Sheol/the grave is nothing spiritually.  It is death, non-existence, a blank, a vacuum, nothing.  Happily, there is a resurrection from it, when Spirit again breathes into a re-created body, and this time all seven Spirits, not just the Spirit of Life.

[joeteekay]

Hi all,

In the Old Testament the Hebrew word "sheol" has the same meaning as the Greek word Hades.  Both mean grave (the unseen or imperceptible).

So the Hebrew word sheol and the Greek word hades are synonymous in meaning.
And here is the proof from the Scriptures and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that the Hebrew sheol and the Greek hades are identical in meaning:

Acts 2:27: "Because You will not leave My soul in hell [Gk: hades], neither will You suffer your Holy One to see corruption" is quoted from:
Psalm 16:10: "For You will not leave My soul in hell [Heb: sheol]; neither will You suffer your Holy One to see corruption."

[Patinak]

joeteekay,

Good catch. It's great to have a direct old/new translation like this. 

Thanks,
Pat