SNIPPETS FROM THE HARD COPY UR LIBRARY OF RODGER TUTT

[eaglesway]

I agree with what Brian is saying here, but upon further reading into the context of John 17:2, "Even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give life eonian," it seems clear that John was talking about the ones who were given to him by having been chosen.  So it seems to me that this scripture is not referring to all humanity, but only the chosen ones. Further down in verse 6 it says, "I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word" [ESV].  Anyone have any thoughts on this?

God has given Jesus authority over all flesh. In this particular reference, I agree with joeteekay that Jesus is thanking God for those who are chosen out of the whole(the all-pas) to share in His ministry of reconciliation and restoration, which will extend to "all flesh".

Eventually that authority will become obsolete. When the last enemy is anulled, and the "anakepholaomai"(gathering together of all into one in Christ Eph 1:10,11) is complete God will be ALL IN ALL and love will flow through-out the whole creation in the glorious liberty of the children of God. All rule power and authority will be done away. Jesus' authority over all flesh will be fulfilled. GLOOORRRYYY!!!

1 Cor 15:21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming(imo these are the ones gathered/chosen out for eionian life), 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Eph 1 In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory(imo these again are the ones gathered/chosen out for eionian life).

Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.(here again are the ones gathered/chosen out for eionian life) 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [h]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them(now and in the age to come, the restoration of creation).

James 1:18 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. 18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

It is a beautiful and glorious plan. Called out, Chosen for transformation, Gathered into one new man by grace, appointed to fulfill the aionian purpose of God- His kind intention who causes all things to work according to the counsel of His will, to be fulfilled in the ages to come, the reconciliation and restoration of all flesh till God be all in all.

John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman;
2 every branch in me not bearing fruit, He doth take it away, and every one bearing fruit, He doth cleanse by pruning it, that it may bear more fruit;

James 5:7 Be patient, then, brethren, till the presence of the Lord; lo, the husbandman doth expect the precious fruit of the earth, being patient for it, till he may receive rain -- early and latter;

Acts 3:17 Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

Wow, I mean its EVERYWHERE!

Mark 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.

The harvest and the first fruits are about maturity I think, ripening on the vine, gathered in for sowing, gathered in for new wine in the new creation.

[rodgertutt]

I agree with what Brian is saying here, but upon further reading into the context of John 17:2, "Even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give life eonian," it seems clear that John was talking about the ones who were given to him by having been chosen.  So it seems to me that this scripture is not referring to all humanity, but only the chosen ones. Further down in verse 6 it says, "I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word" [ESV].  Anyone have any thoughts on this?

God has given Jesus authority over all flesh. In this particular reference, I agree with joeteekay that Jesus is thanking God for those who are chosen out of the whole(the all-pas) to share in His ministry of reconciliation and restoration, which will extend to "all flesh".

Eventually that authority will become obsolete. When the last enemy is anulled, and the "anakepholaomai"(gathering together of all into one in Christ Eph 1:10,11) is complete God will be ALL IN ALL and love will flow through-out the whole creation in the glorious liberty of the children of God. All rule power and authority will be done away. Jesus' authority over all flesh will be fulfilled. GLOOORRRYYY!!!

1 Cor 15:21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming(imo these are the ones gathered/chosen out for eionian life), 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Eph 1 In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory(imo these again are the ones gathered/chosen out for eionian life).

Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.(here again are the ones gathered/chosen out for eionian life) 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [h]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them(now and in the age to come, the restoration of creation).

James 1:18 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. 18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

It is a beautiful and glorious plan. Called out, Chosen for transformation, Gathered into one new man by grace, appointed to fulfill the aionian purpose of God- His kind intention who causes all things to work according to the counsel of His will, to be fulfilled in the ages to come, the reconciliation and restoration of all flesh till God be all in all.

John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman;
2 every branch in me not bearing fruit, He doth take it away, and every one bearing fruit, He doth cleanse by pruning it, that it may bear more fruit;

James 5:7 Be patient, then, brethren, till the presence of the Lord; lo, the husbandman doth expect the precious fruit of the earth, being patient for it, till he may receive rain -- early and latter;

Acts 3:17 Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

Wow, I mean its EVERYWHERE!

Mark 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.

The harvest and the first fruits are about maturity I think, ripening on the vine, gathered in for sowing, gathered in for new wine in the new creation.

GREAT THOUGHTS EAGLESWAY!!!  :thumbsup:  :dsunny:

[rodgertutt]

Because men have failed to see and understand the doctrine of election, it has propagated false ideas of salvation. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement.

Eventually everyone will be saved.

"In 1Tim. 4:9-11 we are told that the living God `is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe,' and with this 1Tim. 2: 4-6 concurs. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement. That there is a special salvation for believers is plainly stated, but this does not limit the other part of the statement, rather does it emphasize it. The salvation of believers is a special work; they are a special class in the `all mankind.' God's will for mankind is salvation, not as an experimental salvation toying with the will and choice of men, but as their Disposer – God.

My dear brethren, let us embrace this glorious truth which God has revealed for us. Let it so become a part of us that our lives will be reflecting it. Let it fill our hearts with the love of God and His glorious Son. Let us be rendering praise to the living God, the universal Creator and Reconciler, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
`To Him be glory for the eons! Amen!' " - E.G.Jones

REDEMPTION IN TWO PARTS - J. Preston Eby
http://www.godfire.net/eby/allinall.html

[Tom]

Amen

[Tom]

Amen

[rodgertutt]

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #50

UNFORGIVABLE SIN

http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/spiritblasphemy.html

VERY INFORMATIVE!!

[Tom]

Amen

[rodgertutt]

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #51

VESSELS OF DISHONOR

For anyone who may be interested, all of the arguments presented by ETers that universalism is not scriptural have been refuted in detail in this online book.
HOPE BEYOND HELL - GERRY BEAUCHEMIN (published 2007)
It can an be downloaded free and read online here
http://hopebeyondhell.net/

I thank God for being able to see that believers in eternal torment will remain believers in eternal torment for as long as God wants them to.

God needs them as vessels of the grossest dishonor, a foil of contrast against which He will demonstrate the power of His love that never fails and His undefeatable grace.

But after the resurrection God will refashion all believers in eternal torment into vessels of honor because they were marred in the Potter's hands and they never leave His hands.
The doctrine of eternal torment is part of the black background against which God will paint His glorious masterpiece of universal transformation, using the brushes of His love that never fails, and His grace that cannot be defeated.

After believers in eternal torment have done their very best to convince others about what God will not do, God is going to do it anyway.

Believers in eternal torment will probably not want to have anything to do with this link, but others on this forum might.
Why not check it out?
Read the reviews first – just a suggestion.
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/what-others-are-saying/

HOPE BEYOND HELL - GERRY BEAUCHEMIN
http://hopebeyondhell.net/

HOPE BEYOND HELL BOOK AUDIO  - Gerry Beauchemin
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/audio-book-with-text/

[Tom]

Amen

[rodgertutt]

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #52

On City-Data Christian forum there is an ETer named twin-spin who frequently likes to refer to universal reconciliation as "vomit." He is the most extreme ETer that I have ever encountered. He believes that all Christian URs are going to suffer forever in "hell."

twin-spin's "vomit" versus UR's "vomit"

twin-spin's definition of "vomit"
Sooner or later, because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, He is going to save everyone from everything from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.

UR's defintion of "vomit"
Sustaining anyone alive in an inescapable state of everlasting suffering.

A snippet from A TREATISE ON ATONEMENT – HOSEA BALLOU

"We are told of a god who created millions of beings whom he intends for endless torments and puts His whole design into execution; and this is called 'goodness.'

In millions of cases this god finds it most for his glory to make his rational, hoping, wanting creatures endlessly miserable.

We are likewise told of a devil who acts for his own gratification, and who delights in making God's creatures miserable; and this is called 'badness.'

Shall we thus represent our kind and merciful Father from Whom streams of goodness continually flow to His wanting, needing creatures?
No; let every vibration of sense within us acknowledge His bountiful hand which will never close."

[Tom]

Amen

[eaglesway]

Twin spin will one day see Christ as He really is, and so be delivered from who he really is :o)

[rodgertutt]

This is a thrilling poem by Matthew Arnold, keeping in mind the following fact.
Universalism was The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html

As students of the history of Christian doctrine know, among believers in eternal torment, Tertullian was one of the most extreme. That is why I think this poem is so powerful. It sent a thrill up and down my spine.    :HeartThrob:

"He saves the sheep, the goats he doth not save!"
So rang Tertullian's sentence, on the side
Of that unpitying Phrygian sect which cried, --
"Him can no fount of fresh forgiveness lave
Who sins, once washed by the baptismal wave!"
So spake the fierce Tertullian. But she sighed,
The infant church, of love she felt the tide
Stream on her from her Lord's yet recent grave,
And then she smiled, and in the Catacombs,
With eye suffused, but heart inspired true,
On those walls subterranean, where she hid
Her head in ignominy, death and tombs,
She her Good Shepherd's hasty image drew,
And on His shoulders, not a lamb, a kid.

[eaglesway]

wow

[rodgertutt]

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #53

WHO SHALL WORSHIP GOD?

A snippet from
"ASK OF ME OF THINGS TO COME" – K. ROSS MCKAY

"WHO SHALL EVENTUALLY WORSHIP GOD?
Every creature Rev. 5:13
All flesh Isa. 66:23
All the ends of the world Psa. 22:27
All the kindreds of the nations Psa. 67:7
All the isles of the heathen Zep. 2:11
All the nations whom Thou hast made Psa. 86:9; Rev. 15:4
All the earth Psa. 66:4
The whole earth shall be filled with His glory Psa. 72:19; 97:7."

[Tom]

Amen

[ed]

K. Ross McKay
"LIFE FROM THE DEAD"
http://www.sigler.org/mckay/lifefrom.html

http://www.sigler.org/mckay/page1.html

[rosered]

K. Ross McKay
"LIFE FROM THE DEAD"
http://www.sigler.org/mckay/lifefrom.html

http://www.sigler.org/mckay/page1.html

  Thanks for sharing this ed !!

[rodgertutt]

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #54

A TRIBUTE TO MY FATHERS WORK by Steven Tutt

Rodger Tutt has taken it upon himself to address and confront one of the central ideas of many Christians and of one most misused and misdirected tools of Christianity; that of controlling people through the fear of endless hell.
His heart-felt knowing of God let him ask something like - If God Loves us, and is omnipotent, how could/would God determine that any being suffering endlessly would/could serve Loves purpose?
Even with the imposed threat of his eternal damnation looming over his head, his spirit could not accept this distortion of Gods Love
He was taught that even to question the teachings, or consider another perspective was a sin. He had to swallow and believe everything he was told, no questions. This type of "fear-control" of a persons free thought and freedom to consider and evaluate other options is a very destructive, controlling, and blatant misuse of mind control and manipulation.
Even with no one else to back him up and no other alternative idea to comfort him, he knew, if only through its absence that there was another way. So he set out into the emptiness of total blind faith, alone, with no map, and no cane, only the pure faith and knowing that God is Love, to find the description or view of God that gave the true picture of a loving God.
I'm sure if you ask him he will tell you something like " he had no faith or knowing that God was Love at all, and that he had a nervous breakdown, and could only hope there was a better way".
But his inability to accept that a loving God would let any being suffer forever shows me that even though he had no words to describe what he felt, he knew this was not the way of Love or a loving God. Nervous Breakdown, whatever, call it what you will. I think it was the true loving God taking hold of him in the only language he had been taught, fear. I think it said to him in a voice he only could hear inside himself, something like:
"This that you call a nervous breakdown, is my loving hands stopping you from a life lived in fear.
Those that you love will damn you, as those that I loved betrayed me. But they do not know me as you do, they think I am a cruel God, but even though you have no words to protest your heart knows me and knows that I am a God of Love.
You may not understand what I am doing in your mind, or know that this fear is my hands loving you, because I talk to you with the grip of fear, and deep inside you know I am love. But, know in your soul where you have not words for it, that when this fear passes you will be free to live in the knowing of my Love.
Know that none will need to suffer forever, or even for a moment more than must be. Those who damn you are damning themselves to a life lived in fear, for they choose to believe that their God would allow a being to suffer eternal extreme cruelty with nothing good ever coming from it. In their minds they live in a world which is ruled by a cruel God.
When they are drawing their final breaths they may still believe they are being delivered into such cruel hands. They will not live in the peace knowing of my unconditional Love until they accept that none will be lost, none will be left behind.
I am assisting you through this temporary fear for it stops you from swallowing the poison of accepting that I am a cruel God. Here I set you free. I set free to find the way of my love which is unconditional, and if one loves without condition, none can be turned away."

Rodger's experience was of terror, immobilizing, paralyzing. He did not have the comfort of realizing what was said to him at the time. But he went on anyway, and searched as in the dark for people with other answers, as one would search for needles in a haystack. The people-needles would help him burst the bubbles of illusion and fear people had blown into his brain. In time he found these people amongst the billions that live on this earth and from each he took and preserved each little needle they gave and from them he fashioned a sword of truth, a sword of Love and Light that he would use to cut away the bonds of control, fear and guilt from others, and let them see the Love of God.
Someone had to make the sword, and working metal is a hot and tiresome job. The sword had to be very strong. Much time was needed to be put into its making. Its strength had to be of the highest integrity, so many tests were put upon it.
Rodger Tutt was commissioned by God to make this sword. He is his own testament to himself that everything will be better that it happened. For if he did not go through what he did he would never have known how the sword must be made or had the persistence to see its completion.
His spirit is the essence of the sword. 
The words of his book, the actions of his life, his thoughts and speech, make up the blade.
When I was growing up I remember hearing the forging of that sword. For many hours of many days, behind the door of his sword making shop that he called his room, I heard him forming its shape and perfecting the details on the forge he called his typewriter. I hear he still sits sharpening his sword.
He is generous in letting others use it.
I'm sure he will share the sword with you if you ask. 
The proud son of a spiritual warrior called Rodger Tutt.
Steve P. Tutt

(HE HAS COMPILED AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF LITERATURE THAT SUPPORTS HIS VIEWS)

[Tom]

I agree. It really is a liberating experience to know that God is love and that ultimately all will be filled with God's love. The traditional idea that God will torture the majority of mankind in fire forever is a lie perpetrated by orthodoxy to control people with fear. It is Satan's most effective deception supported by forgery in the translation of scripture. Read an accurate translation, and learn the truth.

http://concordant.org/online/index.html

"you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free" (John 8:32)

"God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)

"We rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers" (1 Timothy 4:10).

"Through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Colossians 1:20).

"Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing. For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all" (1 Corinthians 15:20-28).

[rodgertutt]

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #55

REGARDING THE SET OF EIGHT 90 MINUTE TAPES BY JAMES CORAM CALLED
"HUMAN CHOICE AND THE DEITY OF GOD" #240-#247
These can be obtained online HERE 
http://www.concordant.org/audio/index.html

About these tapes Rodger Tutt says, "I have listened to this set of tapes many times. I would rather have knowledge of the contents of these tapes than have millions of dollars.

These tapes will help you "unlearn" all the indoctrination that prevents you from embracing the truth of universal transformation."

[rodgertutt]

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #56

YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID – Kenneth Larsen

"You hear that it was declared, 'You shall be loving your associate' and you shall be hating your enemy. Yet I am saying to you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who are persecuting you, so that you may become sons of your Father Who is in the heavens, for He causes His sun to rise on the wicked and the good, and makes it rain on the just and the unjust. For if ever you should love those who are loving you, what wages have you? Are not the tribute collectors also doing the same? And if ever you should greet your brothers only, what are you doing that is excessive? Are not those of the nations also doing the same? You, then, shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matt. 5:43-48.

You have heard that it was said, "God hates those people so much He's going to torment them in the flames."
But God says, "To no one render evil for evil; rather, conquer evil with good. In doing this, you will be heaping embers of fire on his head." Ro. 12:17-21.

You have heard that it was said, "God offers salvation to all mankind, but only saves those who believe before they die."
But God says, "I AM the living God, the Savior of all mankind, especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching." 1 Timothy 4:10, 11.

You have heard that it was said, "Some people are impossible to save; their stubborn will is just too strong!"
But God says, "With Me nothing is impossible; no one is stronger than Me!" Matt. 19:25, 26; 1 Cor. 10:22.

You have heard that it was said, "God wishes He could reconcile all the estranged on earth and in the heavens, but He has to have cooperation from those on earth; He can't do it alone. As for those estranged in the heavens, they're hopeless."
But God says, "Through Christ I will reconcile all to Myself (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens." Colossians 1:20, 21.

You have heard that it was said, "For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, all those who are in Christ shall be vivified."
But God says, "For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified." 1 Cor. 15:22.

You have heard that it was said, "Seek God and you'll be saved. Your salvation depends on how you exercise your free will. If you're lost, it will be your own fault."
But God says, "No one is seeking Me. All avoid Me. Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of My mercy." Romans 3:11, 12; 9:16.

You have heard that it was said, "The second death will be eternal; there's no escaping the lake of fire."
But God says, "The last enemy is being abolished: death." 1 Corinthians 15:26.

You have heard that it was said, "When God doesn't give the person the chance to hear the Gospel, it's because He knows they would have rejected it anyway."
But God says, "My saving grace makes its advent to all humanity. Jesus enlightens every soul who enters the world, and He will draw all to Himself." Titus 2:11; Jn. 1:9; 12:32.

You have heard that it was said, "The subjection of all to Christ will, in many cases, involve compulsion, rather than the reception of a body of glory."
But God says, "Christ will transfigure the body of humiliation, to conform it to the body of His glory, in accord with the operation which enables Him even to subject all to Himself. Every tongue will acclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord, by Holy Spirit." 1 Cor. 12:3; Phil. 2:9-11; 3:21.

You have heard that it was said, "All mankind is condemned in Adam, but only some of them will receive justification in Christ."
But God says, "Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying. For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just." Romans 5:18, 19.

You have heard that it was said, "God wills all mankind be saved, but that's really just wishful thinking."
But God says, "The Lamb of God takes away the sin of the world, annulling the acts of the Adversary! My will is to save all, and I operate all in accord with the counsel of My will." John 1:29; 1 Jn. 3:8; 1 Tim. 2:1-6; Eph. 1:11.

You have heard that it was said, "God expects something from us (to exercise our free will) before His grace will be of any benefit to us. God loves His enemies, and will give the most ungrateful and wicked among them the wages of sin (death) forever."
But God says, "And if you are loving those loving you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are loving those loving them. And if you should be doing good to those doing good to you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are doing the same. And if you should ever be lending to those from whom you are expecting to get back, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are lending to sinners, that they may get back the equivalent. Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." Luke 6:32-35.

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #57
INFANT SALVATION
Believers in "eternal torment" are divided in their opinion about the fate of infants who die.
Some, who believe in God's sovereign election of the "few," also believe that non-elect babies who die will spend eternity suffering in hell. I have heard that John Calvin wrote, "There are babies a span long in hell".
Others (Arminians) consider this unfair, and assert that infants who die will spend eternity in heavenly bliss. This of course is true, but not because the child is innocent. It's true because the Scriptures teach that God intends to save everyone from everything that they need to be saved from.

A few years ago there was a story in a Montreal paper about an Ohio lady who drowned her baby in the bathtub. Her defense was that she loved the baby so much that she wanted to make sure that her child would not have to suffer forever in hell. After serving a sentence she remarried, had another child and drowned it for the same reason. She trusted that God would forgive her because her intention, though warped by false theology, was for the good of her children.
The jury decided that she was mentally ill, BUT WAS SHE? The simple pragmatic fact, if Arminians are right, is that her two infants will spend eternity in heavenly bliss because she loved them so much that she insured, by killing them, that this will be so.
Apparently they believe that there is a magical split-second in time before which a child, if they die, will go to heaven, and after which, if they die will spend eternity suffering in hell. They call this "the age of accountability".
If I believed this nonsense I might take a gun into the largest maternity ward in Toronto and before the police arrived, kill every infant who had just been born. This would cause an enormous amount of suffering to the parents, but this wouldn't matter much in the long run, because probably most of them (according to Arminian theology) are destined to suffer forever in hell anyway, so why not save their babies from the same fate?
Don't try to argue that what I would be doing would be wrong (Thou Shalt Not Kill). The fact remains that my act would, in fact insure the baby's eternal salvation. If Arminians are right, then infanticide would certainly be one of the most effective ways of "saving souls". Besides, God forgives murder, especially when it is done for such a noble, though misguided cause. Sure, they would lock me away in an institution, but I would spend my life reveling in the glow of the emotional high of knowing that I had, beyond any shadow of a doubt (even in the mind of Arminians ) guaranteed the salvation of the babies that I had killed.
Besides, Christians kill others in war for less worthy causes than preventing others from suffering forever.

Folks, the actual truth about the matter is much more sane and blessed. The Scriptures teach that salvation is all of the Lord, and He will not fail to save everyone of us according to His own timing. No one will be able to boast in His presence and say "I have saved my self from eternal hell by exercising my faith in God's provision." God will get all of the glory for everyone's salvation.
The important issue never should be "what is right or what is wrong". The only really important issue is, "What is God going to do with the person who is wrong?!" The Scriptures teach that God will fit every one of us into His master-plan in a positive way, and He will use our temporary involvement with sin to teach us the lessons that He wants us to learn. As my 102 year old Dad often said, "That's what makes Him God!"

(Afterthought) - If abortionists are, for all practical purposes, among the most effective "soul-savers" in the world, why do Arminian Christians get so upset with them?!

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The answer to the afterthought would be, because murder is an egregious sin, and life is His will or it would not occur in the first place. Think how twisted a mind, to take from a child the prospect of life, in order to preserve them from the horror of hell. The wicked testimony that God would torment the innocent forever has unimaginable consequences. What an ignorant monster Calvin was, to regard God as such a monster to elect babies for bliss and others for eternal torment.