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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #37

THE GRAND ASSERTION – Don Hicks

ALL OF MANKIND WAS DECLARED RIGHTEOUS BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AND ALL OF MANKIND WILL COME TO BELIEVE IN JESUS AS LORD AND GOD AS SAVIOR FOLLOWING THE NECESSARY DISCIPLINE OF THE CONSUMING PURIFYING FIRE OF GOD.

Mal 3:2b "For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap;"

SUB-ASSERTION #1

MANKIND WAS DECLARED RIGHTEOUS BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST HAVING BEEN RECONCILED TO GOD BY HIS DEATH

Rom 5:6-10 "For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died
for the ungodly.  But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while
we were still sinners, Christ died for us.  Much more then, because we have
now been declared righteous by his blood, we will be saved through him from
God's wrath.  For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God
through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled,
will we be saved by his life?

Note that a summary of these verses could be the following:
While we were helpless ungodly sinners who were His enemies, Christ died
for us, declared us righteous by his blood, will save us from God's wrath,
and  reconciled  us to God through His death.

Helpless ungodly sinners who were enemies of God and Christ may be words
written to those of Rome who were currently believers, but here Paul is
obviously referencing their status with God prior to their becoming
believers.  Therefore the being reconciled to God and declared righteous
occurred prior to belief since these descriptions are hardly of believers.

At the foot of the cross were many helpless ungodly sinners who were the
enemies of Jesus, yet He said, "Father forgive them for they don't know
what they are doing".  I believe the Father was in agreement with this
prayer of Jesus and so their sins were or will be forgiven on the merits of
Jesus alone.  Mankind was declared righteous, or justified on that day.
Paul reinforces the fact of being declared righteous was for all mankind a
few verses later in Rom 5:18, "Consequently, just as one offense resulted
in condemnation for everyone, so one act of righteousness results in
justification and life for everyone."

SUB-ASSERTION #2

NO "PUNISHMENT", "DESTRUCTION", "PERISHING", "LOSTNESS" IS ETERNAL; RATHER GOD'S "PUNISHMENTS" OR "DESTRUCTION" ARE CORRECTIVE IN NATURE

Now, we do need His discipline to make us fit for His kingdom. This
discipline will not be "eternal", but it will be "aeonian or eonian", the
English equivalents of the Greek "aionios".  "Aeonian" punishment as
referred to in Mt. 25:46, one of the proof texts for those who hold to the
heresy of the eternal torment of non-believers, is the type of correction
that God will administer to the unbeliever.  The noun being modified by
aeonian is the word punishment, which is the Greek "kolasis" which has been
used in reference to "pruning" a plant for the purpose of better
production. "Kolasis" punishment is the corrective type, whereas, "timoria"
punishment is the retributive type.  The "aeonian" life in Mt. 25:46 is the
life given to the believer by God beginning at the point of belief.  This
is that life we enjoy as believers which blesses us now as we deal with
this physical life and also blesses us with the promise of immortality and
therefore everlasting communion with our Father.

Aeonian destruction as referenced in 2 Thess. 1:7-9, "...who will be punished
with aeonian destruction from the presence of the Lord,...", is the kind of
destruction necessary for God to administer for the fulfillment of His
purposes.  Destruction is equivalent to death in that it is "from the
presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power".  Jesus was
"destroyed" at the cross, but as in His case, so with all cases of
destruction or death, there is no sense of "eternal" associated with them
as Jesus rose to life and "the last enemy to be eliminated will be death".

The "lost" sheep, coin, and son of Luke 15 referred to a condition that did
not last forever.  The word "lost" is the translation of the Greek
"apollumi", from which we have the translations lose, lost, perish,
destroy, etc.  As we can see in Luke 15, the sheep, coin, and son were only
"lost" until they were found.  This harmonizes with the fact that Jesus
said He came to "seek and save the lost".

Note that the following verse tells us that there is a special benefit for
becoming a believer now, but that God will save all of the "lost"
unbelievers also.  1Tim 4:10 "For to this end we toil and strive, because
we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all men,
especially of those who believe."  The Greek word that got translated
"especially" here is "malista".  Checking its usage in other verses makes
it clear that especially is a good choice for English since it does refer
to extra special attention to something, but not to the exclusion of other
items mentioned in the context.

The Hebrew word "olam" has as its Greek equivalents "aion" and "aionios" in
the Septuagint.  An analysis of the approximately 440 occurrences of olam
in the Old Testament suggests that it means a period of time without the
end in sight but not necessarily "eternal", or "everlasting" or "forever",
if it should ever be.  Olam was only 3 days in the case of Jonah's duration
in the fish, even though the "traditional" translation has been "forever".
Also, the length of time a person would be the slave has been referred to
as "forever", which we know is literally only for their physical lifetime.
Some versions never use eternal, everlasting, or forever for olam.  Have
you noticed some versions use the phrase "forever and ever".  Have you ever
given thought to the absurdity of adding the words "and ever" after you
have already said forever?  What's more than forever?  That's like saying
something lasts for an eternity and then for another eternity.  The
absurdity of this should add to our awareness of the bias of those
translators who consistently translate olam, aion, and aionios as eternal,
everlasting, forever, or the absurd "forever and ever" phrase.

An analysis of the word "hell" is quite revealing.  Jesus used the word
"geena" or "hades" and tradition (KJV, Catholic church, etc.) has had the
ignorant  audacity to use this Anglo-Saxon word "hell", which means
"unseen" (a-des), corresponding to the Hebrew "sheol" and attach to it a
meaning out of pagan mythology of a place of eternal torment.  Dr. Thomas
Thayer in his book "The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless
Punishment" traces this myth of eternal torment that became associated with
the word hell to ancient Egypt.  Geena (sometimes Gehenna) was the Valley
of Hinnom which became a garbage dump on the outskirts of Jerusalem where
carcasses of criminals were burned which Jesus metaphorically referenced as
a future potential punishment with no sense of "eternal" punishment
inherent in its meaning.  This refers to aeonian punishment which again is
God's corrective punishment.  Gehenna should have been left untranslated
because it is a geographical location that the Jews of Jesus' audience knew
exactly what he was referring to.  Hades should have also been left
untranslated or translated as "unseen" or "the grave" as some versions do,
as Hades definitely has no inherent punishment connotation.  There are a
number of versions that don't use the word "hell" even once, realizing the
bad rap the word has gotten with the erroneous connotation.

SUB-ASSERTION #3

ALL HUMANITY WILL COME TO BELIEVE IN GOD AND WILL WORSHIP HIM SOONER OR LATER

The following are 5 witnesses (scriptures) from 4 of God's servants: DAVID, ISAIAH, PAUL, and JOHN. NOTE:  Nowhere in the Word do we have any evidence that one must come to belief in this lifetime, which is another myth of man; contrariwise, we have much evidence in the following verses and many others that some will only come to belief after their physical death.
 
At this point some might think of the Rich Man and Lazarus parable, Matt. 13:34. Parables must be discerned spiritually as they are not to be taken literally since they are fictional stories to convey a spiritual message.  Consider this, Rich Man = Jews and Lazarus = Gentiles and the spiritual message is that the Jews will be disciplined for their attitude toward and treatment of the Gentiles. Keep in mind that belief is granted by God in His time not in man's.
 
God grants belief to some in this lifetime and others after their physical death. The myth that one must come to belief in this lifetime is something man dreamed up or more than likely got from the pagans and added to his traditions, but God's word does not speak of it. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." Phi 1:29  "For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake."

THE MASTER PLAN OF THE MASTER COULD BE SUMMED UP IN A COMPREHENSIVE SUMMARY OF HIS WORD AS FOLLOWS AS ATTESTED BY MANY WITNESSES. "ALL IS OUT OF ME AND ALL WILL COME BACK TO ME." --- GOD Rom 11:36  For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory for the ages. Amen. 1Co 15:28  When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL = GOD WILL BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE OUR SPIRIT CAME OUT OF GOD AND WILL RETURN TO GOD DAVID was inspired to write: Psalms 22:27-28 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations ISAIAH was inspired to write: Isa 45:23  By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: 'To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.' Isa 45:24  "Only in the LORD, it shall be said of me, are righteousness and strength; to him shall come and be ashamed all who were incensed against him.

PAUL was inspired to write: Phi 2:10-11  "...so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow— in heaven and on earth and under the earth — and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Rom 14:11  For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will give praise to God." JOHN was inspired to record: Rev 5:13 "And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might for the ages of the ages!"

SINCE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME DEATH WILL CEASE TO BE, LEAVING ONLY LIFE AND HENCE NO MORE SEPARATION BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, ALL OF THESE WITNESSES CAN TESTIFY TO THE SAME THING:
NOTE: The feeble attempt to downplay this worshipping, bowing, and confessing as somehow "forced", is born out of bias for eternal torment. Note particularly in Phil. 2:11 the phrase "to the glory of God the Father".  It is obviously not giving God glory to say Jesus is Lord without meaning it and you might also recall what Paul said about saying that Jesus is Lord, that "...no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit."(1 Cor. 12:3b)

EVERY CREATED BEING WILL SOME DAY PRAISE AND GLORIFY GOD

[Tom]

...good stuff Roger, but I disagree with Thayer about Gehenna that "Jesus metaphorically referenced as a future potential punishment" because I think it will be used, as Isaiah prophesied, to burn the corpses of condemned criminals as it was in the past.

"And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and see the corpses of the mortals who transgressed against Me, For their worm shall not die, And their fire shall not be quenched, And they will become a repulsion to all flesh." (Isaiah 66:23,24)

The dead unbelievers are not immortal souls who will be alive to be punished in the unseen, Gehenna, or the lake of fire because the dead know nothing.

"The soul that is sinning-it does die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

"The soul that does sin-it does die." (Ezekiel 18:20)

"For the living know that they shall die, But the dead know nothing whatsoever" (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #38

OUR HEAVENLY FATHER

According to Jesus, by nature, we are children of the devil (John 8:44).
But over and above that are the words that Jesus spoke to the multitude.
"For One is your Father, Who is in heaven." (Matt. 23:1 and 9)

As sinners, by attitude and actions we demonstrate that we are children of the devil.
But by right of creation, and by right of redemption through Jesus Christ, God is the Heavenly Father of everyone, even Satan (Col. 1:20).

For Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole kosmos (Greek). (1John 2:2)

Sooner or later, according to His perfect timing for each individual, God will effectively call everyone out of darkness into His marvelous light, first the chosen generation, then all the rest later. (1Peter 2:9; Col. 1:20)

A snippet from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY

Heb. 11:3 should read, "Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God." The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, 'But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.'

Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ's blood (Col. 1:20).

GOD'S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #39

THE FOLLOWING IS BY BRIAN ON CITY-DATA CHRISTIAN FORUM
It is an "0ff-the-cuff" writing that is so good I strongly feel it is worth sharing!!

"pcamps has been very scripturally bringing us back to the fact that God is not holding men's sins against them. Can you believe it? Can God just forgive people freely? Is that fair? Is that "just??"

Well, it's not only fair. It's GRACE!!

Now, from this link here: Sovereignty Scriptures
I was truly blessed this morning.
Here's what I feel the LORD was showing me this morning, verse-by-verse:

Mt. 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Now many refers to the whole world. Just as the "many" in Romans 5 refers to all mankind, so here too, many are indeed called by God, in God's time. However, only a few are chosen in this life (such as Paul the apostle) to declare His Grace and His Glory to the world.

Jn. 12:39-40 For this cause they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, "He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart; lest they see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted, and I heal them."

When God makes the sinner to hear His word, He causes the man to be converted and healed. Without this intervention of God directly in a person's life, there can be no healing and conversion. God does it all, in His time. When one person is "saved," that's God at work. If a person is "not saved," it's simply that God is not yet doing work in that person.

Acts 3:26 ...and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.

Again, it is GOD who TURNS us AWAY from our sin. He does it in His time. It is an active work on His part, and until He works in the individual, that person can do nothing.

Rom. 5:20 And the law came in that the transgression might increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more.

See that? God added the Law on purpose, in order to increase the transgression. Do you believe that God is for us? If you do, then you must know by now that God increased transgression, in order that His grace would supercede it. It's all GOD's doing!! Praise God!
Let's continue:

Rom. 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

Here again we see clearly, that justification is God's gift, brought in by His Own Hand, and has been extended to ALL mankind. That includes Hitler and Bundy, like it or not!

Rom. 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honor, and another for dishonor?
Rom. 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
Rom. 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

Yes, God made vessels of wrath. But He doesn't show His wrath on them, but brings them unto salvation by grace, according to His timing.

11:32 For God has shut up all men in disobedience that He may show mercy to all.

Here is God's final plan. He has made all people sinners, in order to have mercy upon them all! His grace is what saves us, not any works we have done. It is G-R-A-C-E which He bestows upon each sinner, one-by-one, reviving each one as He sees fit!

Grace means that man has no part in it whatsoever. Grace means that, one day, God comes to you and draws you unto Him, giving you conversion and healing. It is by grace that we are saved. As He called Saul, so He will do to each one, in His own time.

Praise God!!
I hope someone out there can hear this!!

Blessings,
brian

A little more on grace:

Jesus told His disciples that no one would be able to come to Him without the Father's drawing power. (Like a spiritual tractor beam..)

ET denys this. ET says that man can draw himself to God at any time. But that is not scriptural. Grace means that it is God's doing, not man's. Here's more:
Quote:
"Lk. 8:10 To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables; in order that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand."
God purposely opens the eyes of some people, and blinds other people. Why? To show His Grace in His time!
Quote:
"Lk. 10:21-22 No one knows who the Father is except the Son...and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him."
Here again, Jesus shows us plainly that it is the decision of the Father and the Son, not man.
Quote:
"Mk. 4:10-12 To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God; but those who are outside get everything in parables.... lest they return again and be forgiven."
Question: Have you repented and been forgiven?? If yes, then you must know that it was GOD who made you to understand it. Men who have not been drawn yet do not understand that they have been forgiven! Hallelujah! BUT, when the Father DRAWS you, He spontaneously converts and forgives and heals you!! It is HIS doing, not man's. This is what is so important to understand. Otherwise, you cannot understand what is meant by God's grace.
Quote:
"Jn. 6:65 For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
Does the Father "grant" it to everyone? Yes, but not at the same time! That's why some are saved now. "Many are called, but few are chosen." That doesn't mean that most are rejected! That means that a few are chosen in this life. But all are called eventually.
Quote:
"Jn. 12:32 And if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to Myself."
Here's the promise! Jesus will indeed draw all men. Some now, the rest later. Count on it! 
Quote:
"Jn. 17:2 Even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give life eonian."
Does Jesus have authority over all mankind? YES, and He knows how to use it to our advantage, folks! It's called GRACE!
Quote:
"Acts 3:26 ...and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."
Did God do something here without man's permission?!?  YES! He BLESSED us by turning us from our wickedness!
Does that include Ted Bundy?? YES! (But Bundy didn't know it, poor fellow.. But by now he probably already knows it!  )

THAT is God's GRACE. He reveals His Power to us individually, according to when He so chooses. Individually. And when He does, we are set free!
Quote:
"Acts 11:18 God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."
Repentance IS GRANTED, NOT CHOSEN. By GRACE we are saved. God's decision, NOT ours!
Quote:
"Acts 18:27 On arriving, he [Paul] was a great help to those who by grace had believed."
and this:
Quote:
"Acts 16:14 And the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul."
Now do you see it???? Oh, I do hope so!!!   

Blessings of God's grace to all!!!
Brian

Men are afraid of God. And death.

Why?

Because they haven't yet been shown by the Father that they have been blessed with Life! And when He draws them to Himself, they will automatically convert and be revived from the dead! All this, by God's grace!

Jesus told the centurion that he would be "thrust down to hell." Was he? I believe he was. But not in the afterlife, but while on Earth, when he saw people receiving God's grace to know Life! What Life? Eternal Life? It is a quality of life. And others were receiving it, and he was tormented because he was not yet drawn by the Father.

But when the Father decides to draw him individually, he will spontaneously repent, be healed and revived into that same Eternal Life.

All according to God's grace.

May God's grace touch each of us today!"
brian

[Tom]

Amen

[jbertonbounds]

I agree with what Brian is saying here, but upon further reading into the context of John 17:2, "Even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give life eonian," it seems clear that John was talking about the ones who were given to him by having been chosen.  So it seems to me that this scripture is not referring to all humanity, but only the chosen ones. Further down in verse 6 it says, "I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word" [ESV].  Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Tom]

I think it refers to both because the son does have authority over "all flesh" even though only some will receive "life eonian."

[eaglesway]

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
"Just as you have given him authority over all flesh, he will give eternal life to them, because you have given all things whatsoever unto him."


I think it is saying, essentially.

"Because you have given me authority over all flesh(the power to distribute olam life, the power to gather all things into one in Christ, "For He must reign until every adversary is subjected"), I will give life olam(the life of the world to come, aionian zoe) to these first ones(called out ones, gathered ones, ecclessia, first fruits of the new creation) you have chosen to give me".

Thats not really a translation, it is just amplified to express what I think the thoughts of the speaker are(transliteration).

Another verse that would communicate the same thought is in Ephesians

In Him also we have obtained an inheritance(first-fruits from the dead), having been predestined according to His purpose(called out, gathered ecclesia) who works all things after the counsel of His will(counsel expressed in the previous verse as the anakephalaiomai, or "gathering together into one of all in Christ"), to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ(called out, chosen, ecclesia)would be to the praise of His glory(gathered and prepared for good works that glorify God)


Also in Ephesians 2

4But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions(callled out, gathered into the ecclesia)—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus(first fruits of the new creation, prepared for good works prepared beforehand, the reconciling and restoration of all, the gathering together into one of all in Christ), in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus(the whole creation eagerly awaits the unveiling of the children of God)[/b]. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast(called out- chosen). For we are God's handiwork(first fruits, vessels of the new creation), created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do(gatherers, reconcilers, restorers with/in Christ).

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #40

MYTHS - Kenneth Larsen

"...they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths." 2 Tim. 4:4

Scripture: "And if you are loving those loving you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are loving those loving them. And if you should be doing good to those doing good to you, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are doing the same. And if you should ever be lending to those from whom you are expecting to get back, what thanks [grace] is it to you? For sinners also are lending to sinners, that they may get back the equivalent. Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." Luke 6:32-35.
Myth: "God expects something from us (to exercise our free will) before His grace will be of any benefit to us. God loves His enemies, and will give the most ungrateful and wicked among them the wages of sin (death) forever."

Scripture: "For to vanity was the creation subjected, not voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it, in expectation that the creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of the children of God." Romans 8:20, 21.
Myth: "Satan and Adam subjected the creation to vanity. The creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption by the Almighty, by granting incorruptibility to a few, and annihilating the rest."

Scripture: "...Not one is seeking out God. All avoid Him..." "Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful." Romans 3:11, 12; 9:16.
Myth: "Seek God and you'll be saved. Your salvation depends on how you exercise your free will. If you're lost, it will be your own fault."

Scripture: "For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all." Romans 11:32
Myth: "It was Lucifer's doing, and Adam's. God is merciful to all us humans because He gives us a chance to escape the consequences of their sins."

Scripture: "and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens. And you, being once estranged and enemies in comprehension, by wicked acts, yet now He reconciles" Colossians 1:20, 21.
Myth: "God wishes He could reconcile all the estranged on earth and in the heavens, but He has to have cooperation from those on earth; He can't do it alone. As for those estranged in the heavens, they're hopeless."

[Tom]

Amen

[marie glen]

Very excellent! as always.. :smile:

[eaglesway]

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #41

THE MANY

Some ask, Why does it say "the many" instead of "all" in Roman 5:19?

This is because the one disobedient man (Adam), and the One righteous Man (Christ) are put in a class by themselves. They are in contrast with "the many."

We may put it as follows:
The one disobedient man plus "the many" equals all mankind made sinners.
The One obedient Man plus "the many" equals all mankind made righteous.

That "the one" plus "the many" made sinners includes all mankind no one will deny.

Even so, "the One" plus "the many" made righteous is all-inclusive and guarantees the salvation of all mankind.

[Tom]

Amen

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #42

THE MILLENNIAL AGE

"We have seen that the Millennial age with all its glory is filled with judgment and with an iron rule; and that notwithstanding its unspeakable blessings and Israel's preeminence, it is far from a perfect state. It can not be the final age. The final age must come with the New Heavens and the New Earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness."

THE MILLENIAL AGE
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/is_hell_eternal/ch7millenial_age.html

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #43

THE SECOND DEATH

THE JUST JUDGMENT OF GOD – JAMES CORAM
"The main point which we seek to impress upon our readers is to accept God's declaration that, for those who are judged before the great white throne, the lake of fire is the second death, not a second lifetime.

While the 'injury' (literal translation) sustained by those who are cast into the lake if fire (in Revelation 20:14,15) will be fatal (since to these the lake of fire is the second death), it will not be permanent. We may be certain that this is the case, for, at the consummation, death will be abolished and all will be vivified, that God may be All in all. God is the Saviour of all mankind, and this includes all who enter the second death.

Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire taught in the scriptures?

The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death (Rev.20:14; 21:8). In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).
And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading "hath abolished" is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.
How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).
It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the fifteen chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.
The term "resurrection" is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.
It is also apparent from Col. 1:15-20 that the lake of fire is not the end of God's plan for those cast into the fire. See also Ro. 5:18, 19
James Coram.
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/QuestionsAndAnswers/Q&AIndex1.html#9a

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #44

Answers to hundreds of questions raised by partialists about universal reconciliation:
http://www.urqa.com/

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #45

The "Offer" – Kenneth Larsen

Imagine this scenario. An automobile manufacturer builds a vehicle model which it hopes will become a great success. During testing, however, it becomes apparent that the car suffers from a severe design flaw and would pose an imminent danger to the public were it released for sale. Instead of correcting the flaw, the manufacturer decides it has a better idea; it mentions the flaw on page 122 of the owner's manual and explains there how the owner can have the defect corrected at the nearest dealership "free of charge".

Does it appear rather lopsided that the vehicle is sold to unsuspecting customers with little if any mention of the design defect? Does it appear rather absurd that the responsibility for discovering the dangerous defect and having it corrected falls upon
the buyer, when the builder could have fixed the problem before taking the car to market?

Imagine this scenario. Because of the sin of our forefather, Adam, we all inherit sin and mortality. None of us are tested as he was, in order to see if we will be a righteous person or a sinner; we are all given mortality. Our choices have nothing to do with our present
condition as sinners; we are born that way.
As for salvation from sin and death, that will depend on finding the proper message and acting on it in an effective manner; otherwise the condition we inherit at birth will be our everlasting downfall.

Does it appear rather lopsided that the condemnation is universal and our choice has nothing to do with it, but our salvation from that condemnation requires our active participation? Does it appear rather absurd that the responsibility for obtaining salvation depends, in the final analysis, upon each individual, while we are in no way responsible for our needing that salvation in the first place? Doesn't it seem strange that perdition is an inherited condition, while salvation is only an "offer" made to those fortunate enough to stumble upon it?

Fact is, salvation is not an offer we happen upon; it's a gift. And a Savior is One Who saves. In 1 Timothy 4:9-11, we read, "Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching." God is the Savior of all mankind, for salvation is the destiny of all. 1 Cor. 15:20-28; 1 Tim. 4:10; Jn. 12:32; Col. 1:20; Eph. 1:10; Ro. 5:18, 19; Phil. 2:9-11. God is the Savior of believers especially because He prefers some from the beginning for salvation now and during the eons of the eons (2 Thes. 2:13; Rev. 20:4, 5).
Others are vessels of indignation, as indicated in Romans 9, and will not be saved until the consummation mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:24.
Salvation is not an "offer"; God enlightens all, at the time He chooses. John 1:9-13.

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #46

UR RESPONSES

RESPONSES TO SUPPOSED SCRIPTURE ARGUMENTS AGAINST UNIVERSALISM

BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html   

THE SCHOLARS CORNER FOR BIBLE STUDIES IN CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html

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RESPONSES TO PHILISOPHICAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST UNIVERSALISM

Good news of God's love for all mankind - find it here at Tentmaker
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/index.html 

Quick Find: Links to Information on Hell and Universal Salvation
http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #47

CHOOSING – part 1

Everyone will choose to believe whatever they are convinced is the truth about what the Bible teaches. I post on forums to give people an alternate point of view. Had I known that one existed I never would have had a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78 over my inability to love a god who would allow anyone actually prefer to suffer forever rather than eventually reach out for the salvation that God has provided. I'm 76 years old now.

THE FOLLOWING HAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE TRUE REGARDING THE DEBATE ABOUT ETERNAL TORMENT

The argument about "eternal hell" nearly always gets bogged down with the words, "My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars," and the result is nearly always a stalemate.
My Greek scholars are Louis Abbott and the many Greek scholars he quotes in chapters three and twelve. 
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html

Also see
TIME AND ETERNITY A BIBLICAL STUDY 
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/time/

Also see
THE SCHOLAR'S CORNER FOR THE STUDY OF BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM at
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html

If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, or annihilate them, then you keep believing that.

But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that is exactly what God is like.

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #48

CHOOSING – part 2

ON THE BASIS OF HAVING STUDIED THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE TO YOU CHOOSE ONE
Choose to believe that the Bible teaches that God will sustain people alive in an inescapable state of eternal suffering.
Or
Choose to believe that God will annihilate (cause them to cease to exist) anyone who does not become a Christian before they die.
Or
Choose to believe what the following expositors reveal about what the Bible teaches.

THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD SERIES
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm
http://www.godfire.net/eby/saviour_of_the_world.html

Or
ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html
http://www.richardwaynegarganta.com/4ViewsOfSalvation.htm
http://www.sigler.org/slagle/absolute.htm  (the author, Charles Slagle's personal website containing many other good writings about the subject)

Or
UNIVERSAL SALVATION UNIVERSITY
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/universalsalvation.htm
Or
CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM
http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html
Or
CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM
http://www.christianuniversalist.org
Or
BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html
Or
ETERNAL DEATH ANNIHILATION?
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/EternalDeath.html
Or
WILL UNBELIEVERS BE ANNIHILATED  (If necessary copy and paste the following url into your browser address bar)
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/read.php?sel=2586&searchfor=||KNOCH,  ADOLPH E||&type=&what=author

I myself, along with many others with whom I am acquainted, simply cannot love a god who would let anyone choose themselves into an inescapable state of eternal suffering (Arminian), or suffer forever just because they were born into the human race (Calvinist). Neither can we love a god who would snuff us out of existence just because we didn't hear about Jesus before we died.

But we CAN love a God Who, because of His Son's death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross, will sooner or later save all fallen creatures from everything from which they need to be saved (including their stubborn wills).  That's the God that the above expositors see in the Bible. And that's the God to Whom I joyously yield my heart in complete and total abandonment.

SO FOR US THE CHOICE IS EASY

[Tom]

I agree, Roger, especially because it is God's will that determines who believes and who doesn't.

[Tom]

FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #47

CHOOSING – part 1

Everyone will choose to believe whatever they are convinced is the truth about what the Bible teaches. I post on forums to give people an alternate point of view. Had I known that one existed I never would have had a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78 over my inability to love a god who would allow anyone actually prefer to suffer forever rather than eventually reach out for the salvation that God has provided. I'm 75 years old now.

THE FOLLOWING HAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE TRUE REGARDING THE DEBATE ABOUT ETERNAL TORMENT

The argument about "eternal hell" nearly always gets bogged down with the words, "My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars," and the result is nearly always a stalemate.
My Greek scholars are Louis Abbott and the many Greek scholars he quotes in chapters three and twelve. 
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/index.html

Also see
TIME AND ETERNITY A BIBLICAL STUDY 
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/time/

Also see
THE SCHOLAR'S CORNER FOR THE STUDY OF BIBLICAL UNIVERSALISM at
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html

If you think it glorifies God more to let some of His creatures suffer forever, or annihilate them, then you keep believing that.

But if you think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need which is a change in their stubborn will, then know that there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that is exactly what God is like.

Amen

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FROM THE DOCUMENTS OF RODGER TUTT #49

TRANSLATIONS

Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46
Concordant Literal, Young's literal, Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham's Emphasized, Scarlett's, J.W. Hanson's New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth's (unedited), Clementson's, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger's Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell's translation (2010).

Concerning the duration of kolasis (literally - corrective punishment), Matt. 25:46 says (KJV),
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal."

1. Scarlett's New Testament written in 1792 has "aeonian punishment" in place to "everlasting punishment."
"And these will go away into aeonian punishment: but the righteous into aeonian life."

2. The New Covenant by Dr. J.W. Hanson written in 1884 renders Matt. 25:46:
"And these shall go away into aeonian chastisement, and the just into aeonian life."

3. Young's Literal Translation first published in 1898 and reprinted many times since uses the following words:
"And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during."
Professor Young also compiled Young's Concordance, where one can check the translation of each Hebrew or Greek word as translated in the KJV.

4. The Twentieth Century New Testament first printed in the year 1900 has:
"And these last will go away 'into aeonian punishment,' but the righteous 'into aeonian life.'"

5. The Holy Bible in Modern English by Ferrar Fenton first published in 1903 gives the rendering:
"And these He will dismiss into a long correction, but the well-doers to an enduring life.

6. The New Testament in Modern Speech, by Dr. Weymouth, says:
"And these shall go away into punishment of the ages, but the righteous into life of the ages."
Dr. Weymouth most frequently adopts such terms as "life of the ages," "fire of the ages;" and in Rev. 14:6, "The good news of the ages." It is a matter to regret that the editors of the most recent edition of Dr. Weymouth's version have reverted to the KJV renderings for the passages containing the Greek word aion, eon, or age.

7. The Western New Testament published in 1926 renders Matt. 25:46 as follows:
"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into life eternal."
The translation, however, has a footnote on Matthew 21:19 on the word "forever" which is the same word for "eternal" which says: "Literally, for the age."

8. Clementson's The New Testament (1938) shows,
"And these shall go away into eonian correction, but the righteous into eonian life."

9. Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott (1942 edition) translates the verse,
"And these shall go forth to the aionian cutting-off; but the righteous to aionian life."
It should be noted that the "cutting-off" refers to pruning a fruit tree to make it bear more fruit. The idea behind the word is not destructive but productive! Had Jesus wanted to emphasize a destructive end, He would have used the word "timoria."

10. The Concordant Version (1930):
"And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."

11. The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed printed in 1958 says:
"And these shall go away into agelasting cutting-off and the just into agelasting life."

12. Joseph Bryant Rotherham, in his Emphasized Bible (1959), translates this verse,
"and these shall go away into age-abiding correction, but the righteous into age-abiding life."

13. The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible copyrighted in 1976 has "age-abiding correction" instead of "everlasting punishment."

14. Jonathan Mitchell's translation (2010) has "And so, these folks will be going off into an eonian pruning (a lopping-off which lasts for an undetermined length of time; an age-lasting correction; a pruning which has its source and character in the Age), yet the fair and just folks who are in right relationship and are in accord with the Way pointed out [go off] into eonian life (life which has it source and character in the Age; life pertaining to the Age)".

15. Even some King James Study Bibles will show the reader in the margins or appendixes that the King's translators were incorrect in their rendering of "eternal punishment." The great Companion Bible by Dr. Bullinger is an example of that.

Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."

Also see what other Greek scholars say about it
An Analytical Study of Words
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html
Chapter Eleven