Greetings.
Often during meditation I think about eternity, to my surprise it often scares me. To be with God world without end. Wow! We will never die. It's like I walk my imagination as far as it can go, then 💥 boom, I shake and cannot think clear. In my mind I go sit by some water, then I imagine doing it again ten million years later. I am frightened. I know that the way of eternity is not in me. The moment of resurrection and letting Christ, seeing God, I'm going to need a bit of help. My mind will be blown away.
I hope he has a reception unit for those who go into spiritual truama.
Quote from: Mickiel on April 18, 2021, 09:02:26 PM
Greetings.
Often during meditation I think about eternity, to my surprise it often scares me. To be with God world without end. Wow! We will never die. It's like I walk my imagination as far as it can go, then 💥 boom, I shake and cannot think clear. In my mind I go sit by some water, then I imagine doing it again ten million years later. I am frightened. I know that the way of eternity is not in me. The moment of resurrection and letting Christ, seeing God, I'm going to need a bit of help. My mind will be blown away.
I hope he has a reception unit for those who go into spiritual truama.
Hi there Mickiel: All of us have our moments when even hope seems hopeless. In those times we are pressed to trust Him more fully. In the final analysis there is absolutely nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Death can't, angelic beings can't, our limited minds can't!
"Anything that is not exceedingly beyond all we can think is exceedingly below all He has prepared for us." -FinenLinen
I kind of hope we will have personal aids see us through this. God is mapping the universe now, I know we will need a guide or two.maybe some smelling sauce as we see wonders without end.
I was surprised to learn I have a named condition. Apeirophobia , or believing life has no endh , and you fear that. I mean this is real,some have panic attacks. I'm thinking, boy, what a thing to have. They even got a name for it. Gee, what now.
I have this fear that God is not giving me his spirit now, I have to wait.these things bother my faith and confidence, I want to know Christ and God like I did my best friend. Knowledge fills your head but you want love, real relationship with him. I think I'll get pushed back, way back. Makes me e miss God. Wanting to know him more.
Quote from: Mickiel on April 21, 2021, 02:11:16 AM
I have this fear that God is not giving me his spirit now, I have to wait.these things bother my faith and confidence, I want to know Christ and God like I did my best friend. Knowledge fills your head but you want love, real relationship with him. I think I'll get pushed back, way back. Makes me e miss God. Wanting to know him more.
Mickiel: The road into our Father is in varying degrees and dimensions. We learn to trust Him as He brings us more intimately into Himself. Be patient my brother, He meets the cry of our hearts with His.
"You will trust God to the degree you know you are loved by Him." -Brennan Manning
You are very inspiring Finelinen , thank you.
Interesting that God is eternity and fear of him prolongs life, Prov. 10:27. Either physical or spiritual life, strange that fearing God extends your life. I wonder why?
WE will coexist in eternity having no free will, having no negative side effects. I bet the world couldn't believe that. Because free will is habitual belief.
Look what kind of love our Father has given to:
that we should be called the children of God- and such we are .
Christ says we are to come to our Father like children.
Paul points out that we are disciplined by God like children and no discipline is pleasant at the time, but reflection makes us learn from our experiences.
I never fully appreciated my dad until I had my own children.
I used to seek attention using whatever I could to be noticed.
20 years later I now see how our heavenly Father works.
To know that we cannot and will not be removed from our position in the family of God thanks to Jesus has taken away all the problems and fear of rejection that gets thrown at us left right and centre by the social structure of the world
Paul states that if this life is all there is to life then we should be pitied most. But the reality of our coming glorious future exceeds anything that we can even imagine.
Christ's love cannot be undone by ANYTHING.
May your heart be renewed by this awesome concept.
So true. God loves us so much, I wish I knew more about his love. Many verses reveal that all flesh shall see the salvation of the Lord. And he is not one to show it and not give it. I pray he continues to bless your thoughts.
Strange thing, this fear I have of eternity. I can't wait to cross over into it, this world is tiresome. I keep counting in my mind; 600 years, 6000 years, I wonder what 6 billion years will feel like? I tell myself there will be no time , but I can't imagine there being no time.
Strange.
Looking ahead seems to be a long way away, yet yesterday, or 10 years ago feels like it has only just happened.
A certain amount of the fear of the future seems to be generated by the varying man-generated interpreting of the future. False visions lure many astray.
This seems to be why we are encouraged to sift the information like chaff and throw away the rubbish.
Paul encourages us in Colossians 3 when stating we are hidden in Christ ready for the next phase.
Hebrews 2:5 " For He did not subject coming world, of which we speak, to messengers. "
Now that is an incredible statement.
No wonder our lives are dramatic so we see the need for responsible decision-making and planning.
All things working together is a reality.
C. U
Also interesting how the ways of the nations are warned against by Jeremiah:
Jeremiah 10:2 "Do not learn the way of the nations for the customs of the people are false, and don't be scared by the signs of the heavens, for the nations are scared by them. "
A bit later, Jeremiah 17:7 "Blessed is the man who trusts in Yahweh, to whom Yahweh is his ground of confidence. "
Eph 3:8 " To me is given the grace, though I am least of the saints, that I should DECLARE among the gentiles the IMMEASURABLE RICHES OF CHRIST."
Awesome.
I.M.O there will be time in the future, as there are references to ages, plural, to come.
Then, after much time, will finally be the end of the current ages.
However, time must still be around since time stands still for no-one. May well just be measured/recorded differently. After all, Peter points out that 1000 years to us is like a day to God.
By way of encouragement:
1 Cor 2:12 " But as for us,
we have not received the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God,
so that we might know the things which have been given to us by God in grace. "
1 Cor 3:11 " For no one can lay any other foundation than that which is lying- which is Jesus Christ. "
Cheers
Yes I don't know about eternity being measured, but I personally do not see anything wrong with time.
What if you come to visit me and I tell you, "See you in about an hour"?. Or what, see you later in about 60 minutes: or five waves of the angels wing?
I think, and this is just speculation, there will be time in eternity, it's just going to be meaningless, I mean not that important. Kind of like air: we will probably be breathing it,but it will be so much of it it's meaningless. There will be so much of certin things we won't worry about it. Ever. This includes love, peace, joy, worshipping; just an abundance of it
I am reminded of Isaiah 9:7 " of the increase of his government there shall be no end." That is eternity in abundance. Peace will increase, love, joy, things will always grow. A future factory that will showcase Gods power and his reality.
Another thing about eternity that sakes me Is Isaiah 9:7 the "Increase" of his government. One of the possible meanings here is "Community", that heavens community will never stop growing. God will keep on creating. Stunning. The increase all never end. Whew man, that's scary.and magnificent.
Quote from: Mickiel on May 02, 2021, 10:52:03 PM
Another thing about eternity that sakes me Is Isaiah 9:7 the "Increase" of his government. One of the possible meanings here is "Community", that heavens community will never stop growing. God will keep on creating. Stunning. The increase all never end. Whew man, that's scary.and magnificent.
The heavens were created before the earth.
The temple made by Israel was a copy of the heavenly one.
The angels had a bit of interaction that delayed coming down to chat with Daniel.
Jude points out some social structure where not even the angels were not judging Satan about his position, just arguing over Moses body.
There are references to wars on heaven.
Then we see that "nations " will visit the Nee Jerusalem annually. The suggestion being that resurrected man will govern along with Jesus in the big scheme of things- ergo the illustration of Israel in this age as a nation among other countries is a picture of the Israel referred to by Paul as the one to come thanks to Christ.
Alll awesome really.
Yes that war in heaven,if it were one, may have been what what snuffed so much life out of the universes. Look closely at some plantoid pictures , all those giant crators and holes on the surfaces of so many plants, could have been from the result of great wars. The angels probably could not kill each other , so they killed planets.
One of those interesting speculation points about the angels being immortal.
1Tim 6:15b- 16 " ... He Who is the blessed and only sovereign King of kings and Lord of lords WHO ALONE HAS IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which no man can approach, Whom no man can see or has seen to Whom be glory and honour, amen. "
C. U
I think that means that He's is the only mortal to have immortality. The rest of the verse talks about limitations of man.
Quote from: Mickiel on April 18, 2021, 09:02:26 PM
Greetings.
Often during meditation I think about eternity, to my surprise it often scares me. To be with God world without end. Wow! We will never die. It's like I walk my imagination as far as it can go, then 💥 boom, I shake and cannot think clear. In my mind I go sit by some water, then I imagine doing it again ten million years later. I am frightened. I know that the way of eternity is not in me. The moment of resurrection and letting Christ, seeing God, I'm going to need a bit of help. My mind will be blown away.
I hope he has a reception unit for those who go into spiritual truama.
i thought bout being 'bored' eventually in eternity.....just sick of all the 'life'...thts why i enjoy sleeping in this life...have a break from it all...but maybe we healed of such thoughts in next world...we'll be spirit ?...made to be joyous n enjoying God's presence.
Greetings Darryl ,
I think your correct, we are so messed up , we will need that tree whose leaves are for the healing of the nations.
I think God would like to hear from us now. He wants to know how we think. Kind of like your doctor visiting you in the hospital. I try to pray about every thing. I am like a cat, curious about everything. Because it's so much to be curious about.
Quote from: Mickiel on May 05, 2021, 11:44:49 AM
Greetings Darryl ,
I think your correct, we are so messed up , we will need that tree whose leaves are for the healing of the nations.
I think God would like to hear from us now. He wants to know how we think. Kind of like your doctor visiting you in the hospital. I try to pray about every thing. I am like a cat, curious about everything. Because it's so much to be curious about.
hi, Mikiel !.....greetings to you too...well, God made curiosity to keep us from feeling bored ?...to keep us 'interested' ?...maybe
Maybe, could be? God could have named the animals in Eden, but even he was curious to see what Adam would name them.
Quote from: Mickiel on May 05, 2021, 01:56:41 PM
Maybe, could be? God could have named the animals in Eden, but even he was curious to see what Adam would name them.
never thought o that...good point !
God promised us eternity eons ago. In Titus 1:2," in Hope of eternal life , which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago." Wow the sound of that is chilling. Long ages ago. So long ages ago God was already planning human salvation. And not just plan it, promised it, and his word cannot return to him void of his intent.
God is not willing , nor has he willed , any to perish but that ALL repent . So universal salvation is an eons old promise. We may not realize it but we are involved in a great metamorphosis of true evolution. Change from flesh to spirit. So eons ago God existed, this is our origin. Science is just in error , they mean well but are blind to our origin. We are the actual offspring of God. We are not continuous with the idiotic hierarchy of speechless apes.
Actually the fear of eternity helped me to see universal salvation and lay hold to it. I knew eternity was forever always. I thought to myself for years , I can't believe humans will suffer for eternity just for sinning. The thought was repulsive to me. It would be insanity and barbaric. I would be fearful to suffer continuous for just a year. The insanity of hell is a fearful thing.
The doctrine of hell appears to have been brought in to keep the masses under control.
We have been created for a reason.
Eph 5 tells us to imitate God. Can only do that when we are shown how He works and what He does. Not 5min lessons.
Before we are given responsibility in this age we are taught how to handle the position and the possible solutions to difficult situations.
Considering that we are going to be completely changed so that we are like Christ promotes, for me, the changes are incredible and life changing to the max.
The hope is awesome and casts out all fear.
C. U
Quote from: Ross on May 08, 2021, 09:44:40 AM
The doctrine of hell appears to have been brought in to keep the masses under control.
We have been created for a reason.
Eph 5 tells us to imitate God. Can only do that when we are shown how He works and what He does. Not 5min lessons.
Before we are given responsibility in this age we are taught how to handle the position and the possible solutions to difficult situations.
Considering that we are going to be completely changed so that we are like Christ promotes, for me, the changes are incredible and life changing to the max.
The hope is awesome and casts out all fear.
C. U
Aye....alot o it come from the KJV..king James translation tae put the fear o God into the English peasantry o the time..keep em controlled n fearful...n its bled thru to taday's translations cept fer Concordant, Jonothan Mitchell etc
A wise man will hear and increase learning, Prov. 1:5 he only has to hear it, no matter from where. If he understands he will attain wise counsel. We are being introduced to eternity without being in it. I look at everything everyone has to speak on it.m 7:1- The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. The beginning of an immaculate journey that can take you through darkness 😭 pain and light. When fear begins an audience with God that can be a big bang theory. Shock you into knowing, rattle your peace.
Because now you walk towards God
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Prov.19:23 The fear of the Lord leads to life, and he who has it shall abide satisfied, ( or he shall sleep good and not be visited with evil.
) Boy, sleep good and not be visited by evil. Now that's some good sleep.
Eternity is about life and living on and on and on. So much to think about that. In Prob.14:26,27. The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life , and strong confidence. Well exactly what kind of fear is this?
Interpretation of fear should be awe, gobsmacked, wow, incredible, bigger than I thought possible......
Cowering under cover is one of those misinterpreted methods promoted by supposed leaders in the church.
Perfect love casts out all fear by removing all doubts and replacing them with the truth. This truth is awesome.
A few more definitions of fear:
Not wanting to be left out.
The feelings of not being worthy mixed with meeting your maker
Wanting so much to please God
Being in a dark place holding a flash light
Seeing your death coming in a few days
Walking my past the days of your death and yet you live
Seeing the raw unadulterated power of God in it's realness and it rattles your knees
In Eph. 5:31 Paul speaks of a beneficial way of using fear of God in relationships. Something I have never done. So eternity and fear of God are new to me.
Eternity. Is universal salvation, Gods life and gift. Eternity is Gods ways and means. I feel like a child walking toward a huge mountain
. Longing to see our Lord.
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Well see the Armuralts in eternity. Gary's work drew me to eternity. Christ drew me to a far
differing way of thinking. I remember a guy named Larch or Laird, he was very inspiring. Finelinen was there, it was long ago.
Quote from: Mickiel on May 20, 2021, 03:54:02 AM
Well see the Armuralts in eternity. Gary's work drew me to eternity. Christ drew me to a far
differing way of thinking. I remember a guy named Larch or Laird, he was very inspiring. Finelinen was there, it was long ago.
Aye, tme passes fast
Yesterday always seems gone by too soon. I remember the early days here , one of the few places online to discuss Universal Salvation. I hope some still believe this way. It's difficult to imagine one turning from this way, but it's possible. The core of belief should be ratified by time. Eternity is resolute with salvation.
Quote from: Mickiel on May 20, 2021, 07:46:13 PM
Yesterday always seems gone by too soon. I remember the early days here , one of the few places online to discuss Universal Salvation. I hope some still believe this way. It's difficult to imagine one turning from this way, but it's possible. The core of belief should be ratified by time. Eternity is resolute with salvation.
we believe this but sadly most Christians do not...they stuck in time warp of believing in exclusivism and only a few saved but most lost...sad.
God is not willing that any perish, not has he willed any to perish. Jesus said he came not to d destroy men's lives but to save them. All have sinned, and Jesus said he came. Not to call the righteous but sinners to repent. This is good news for sinners and unbelievers. Its good news
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Quote from: Mickiel on April 21, 2021, 01:50:10 AM
I was surprised to learn I have a named condition. Apeirophobia , or believing life has no endh , and you fear that. I mean this is real,some have panic attacks. I'm thinking, boy, what a thing to have. They even got a name for it. Gee, what now.
I have had this since I was a child!!!!! I would and do have panic attacks, but now I just don?t let my mind ?go there? otherwise I would probably go insane. Eternity terrifies me but ending life isn?t preferable, so it felt like there was no escape.
Well you have found a way to deal with it. My fear makes me press my prayers on God. Sometimes I pray for hours, to God and Christ. So I use a lot of prayers for my fears. God has answered some mighty prayers in my life. I have lived with lung cancer for 7 years , cancer is a fearsome figure.
Quote from: Mickiel on May 21, 2021, 04:28:19 AM
God is not willing that any perish, not has he willed any to perish. Jesus said he came not to d destroy men's lives but to save them. All have sinned, and Jesus said he came. Not to call the righteous but sinners to repent. This is good news for sinners and unbelievers. Its good news
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yes, and Jesus prayed God's will be done so ALL will be saved !
Amen.
BTW; No created thing can keep us from the love of God:
Satan is a created thing- ergo cannot keep us from God's love which is demonstrated by and through and poured out by Christ.
Cheers.
Satan is a tool that the great potter is using for our benefits, no tool designed to help is can hurt us beyond what is allowed. He could sift humanity like wheat in seconds if God does not restrain him. There are unseen battles at play, Satan wants to ruin humanity.
Quote from: Mickiel on May 24, 2021, 07:44:11 PM
Satan is a tool that the great potter is using for our benefits, no tool designed to help is can hurt us beyond what is allowed. He could sift humanity like wheat in seconds if God does not restrain him. There are unseen battles at play, Satan wants to ruin humanity.
Pretty good summary.
I am curious , What does everyone think God will do to Satan in the end? Salvation will be completed , the Kingdom established; now what of Satan's fate? In my view God is going to will him out of existence. Why would God keep anything around for eternity that he does not like? I think he'll just will him gone.
Quote from: Mickiel on May 25, 2021, 03:40:25 AM
I am curious , What does everyone think God will do to Satan in the end? Salvation will be completed , the Kingdom established; now what of Satan's fate? In my view God is going to will him out of existence. Why would God keep anything around for eternity that he does not like? I think he'll just will him gone.
One of the tenants of Universal Salvation are the tools we can see God using. Some tools are obvious and great, like Christ. He employs the world, sin, history , angels, even emotion, family relationships, pain and Satan. The grave and death. Death and the grave are thrown into the lake of fire, that is their end.
God uses peace, patience, love, kindness, mercy and forgiveness in salvation, and those things will never end. Some are of the opinion that Satan will never end. I cannot see that. I see his use in salvation I cannot see his eternity. I see no salvation purpose in giving him eternity. What salvation purpose has Satan in eternity?
One could say that Jesus is an eternal, who was reduced to humanoid to die for our salvation. We can learn a bit more about fear from Jesus, don't you think?
Will you think with me?
We have a chance to key in on an actual fear from an eternal who stares at death. Jesus is life : now he must die. He speaks "Father why has thou forsaken me." What was the eternal Jesus feeling? Stripped of his eternity now his life. God had not really forsaken him, he just felt like he did. Whew I know he must have felt horrible. Jesus was perhaps scared, fearful: I feel like that when I think God has forsaken me. Jesus had always been with the Father,now they have space between them. Oh how it must have really hurt the Father to hear his son say that.
But fear and eternity have met each other, it's no strange thing.
In Rev.21:4 " And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." I can see some fear beginning to be dealt with in us here.. it says former things are passed away. I consider Satan a former thing.
In Rev.22:10" Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book." So the book of Revelation is not sealed knowledge or secret mystery, it's open to all. In verse 3 there shall be no more curse. No fear, no sin, no Satan, no pain or sorrow. God is going to will them out of existence. Now salvation is poured into eternity for all humanity. Now the healing of all problems begins.
Having the courage to view life from a different perspective than mankind requires wisdom and knowledge that is literally not of this age. Seems to be this way so that true equality is brought in to reality only through Christ.
While we are learning from experience, we have the security of position.
The healing of the real world will be the total change of values and lifestyle.
I.M.O these changes have been demonstrated in part among us as a hint of those to come- difference being the scale that these changes will reach.
Yes, the total rehabilitation of mankind.
This one would not be foolish enough to pretend to know anything of eternal life, and yet in my lack of knowledge I am forced to make observations.
It is so human to think that there is but physical birth and death, and then life in ecstatic heaven for eternity, where there is just 'enjoying' the surroundings in the earthly concept of heavenly reward.
But, I think that the human outlook overlooks the obvious, and the obvious is that to be Divine life and Divine love, there must always be creativity. To be alive is to be able to create, and to create again. Then to support that creation, to nurture it, to love it with unrelenting, everlasting love - and that love must be of Him or it is not love.
So, what does eternity as God's children mean? It surely means an eternity of creating and all that accompanies the responsibility of creating. God's children, made out of Himself, Divine Spirit, made of the Creator, the One who creates - who must create - because He is Love.
God's children granted eternal life, because out of Himself He has given individuality to share in His creation with Him - created out of His Spirit, out of His Substance, to learn to create selflessly for the sake of Creation.
Out of His timeless eternal Self He has granted His children His own life Source which has no beginning in time and has no end in time - and that timelessness is within each one of His children whether they know it, whether they want it - or not. As He said, it is within. Now is the time - this moment, this now, it has always been eternal life because of His gift of life from His eternal Self.
Typical of the human mind to think that when Christ said that the humans who followed Him would do greater thangs than He did there and then - how typical of humans with their limited concepts of Divine life, to think He was referring to miracles on this tiny deteriorating earthly globe.
The human devises his dogma to suit his limited mind - he says, I am favoured of God because I have had this truth revealed before other men - yet his truth is so removed from Divine reality - and so he rules out the immense vastness of what God has to give throughout eternity - and those gifts include the gift of giving in turn.
My opinion is, not to demean the Lord God of all life by limiting what He has to give His children - and to accompany this must be lived the life of the humble heart, the obedient heart - as shown in the life of Christ Jesus. These latter characteristics must exist to enter the life that God has in store for His children, there is no other way - the humble heart, the obedient heart.
So, in my ignorance, at least I am aware that I know nothing, and for that I am grateful.
Peace
Oh I really enjoyed reading that Last post. I am excited about the future where old men will dream dreams and you young men will begin to expound on this knowledge. I cannot describe a being like God who has always been alive. Inspire of all his greatness , he will never mistreat us. All the evil will "be no more", Rev. 18:14. Before God steps back into eternity he is going to will many things out of existence.
In Rev.22:3 , there shall be no more curse ,21:4 , the former things have passed away. This is a stellar way to begin our salvation in eternity. We will be made pure and clean God and Christ will take special interest 💕 in how we act then. He begins by showing himself to us , no more hiding. The effect this has on us will be stunning and healing.
Things are going to start disappearing, the sky, earth and sea will just past away, Rev.21:1, these are very large things. So I call it God willing something out of existence. Poof and their gone.
I guess by now the brethren here know my belief on Satan's fate..when God returns things will start disappearing. There will be fear in eternity because of this dark dangerous events. In Rev. 20;11, and I saw a great white throne , and him that sat on it ,
from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away ,and there Was found no place for them. There will be no place for the physical as God roars up his spiritual tide , like a giant wave God will stamp out everything he does not like. Humans are not included 😂 n this , I think demons are. Why find a place for them , for what? God is not going to put them in a zoo, why memorialize sin?
The grace and peace of God will be multiplied in us by coming to know God's Salvation, knowledge of him and Christ 2Pet.1:2 and look, according as his divine power has given unto us all things that pertain unto life and Godliness. Right here God is filling us with his spirit and edging us into eternity. We are given the divine nature that God has which suits us for eternity. This is tremendous change as we are given great promises. We transition into holiness.
I have had lung cancer for 7 years , the doctor's have given me three different death dates that they said I would pass. The days slowly come as you wait on Satan to sink his claws into you , you see what death is like , as it affects you and those around you. Then life stays and you learn what Salvation is like. Over and over again the same drill, as death knocks at your door. You learn the hard way to trust in God. It is easier to face death
Salvation is a reprieve from death, an extension into eternity.
The fears I am glad salvation will remove ; the fear of death; the fear of eternity; the fear of being unworthy , the fear of the unknown. The fear of God - perhaps not removed but purified and refined. The fear of the new birth. The fear of ignorance. The birth of fears.
My brother: what an awesome process it is coming to know the Lord of glory. It is a process that at times encompasses hopelessness. This earthly world is filled with little hope, but be of good cheer, His plans & purposes prevail.
https://www.hopebeyondhell.net/
Yes to witness the unfolding of his plan will be stunning. When we begin to walk the streets of glory , they will have no end.. that first step will be full of joy and wonder. I think we will feel that for a time to come. I am sure angels will guide us
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Quote from: Mickiel on June 09, 2021, 11:14:29 PM
Yes to witness the unfolding of his plan will be stunning. When we begin to walk the streets of glory , they will have no end.. that first step will be full of joy and wonder. I think we will feel that for a time to come. I am sure angels will guide us
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I'm sorry to hear about your cancer diagnosis. You may live here yet a long time.
With the thread etc., I remember this verse; "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord..for me to die is gain". "Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, the things God has prepared....."
Blessings.
Thank you very much :HeartThrob:
Brother Mickiel: Overcoming is what we are hearing from the Spirit that moves within the House of the Prince-Leader. In all of our trials, all of us within this call of Higher Ground, is the word...
These are they who make their way through great distress.
We stand with you in these days!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpSgrn5hFiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQdfD4kmOtI&list=RDbQdfD4kmOtI&start_radio=1&rv=bQdfD4kmOtI&t=29
Thank you so much.
i got a lump in my throat tonite...i thought of our Lord praying for unilateral forgiveness of ALL those murdering Him, on the Cross..they were IGNORANT...just like folks today in our time...He truly loves ALL...He IS the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD ! ....HALLEJUYAH !
Praise God for his holiness ,his goodness and his power. When the leader is good, the people rejoice. Eternity is consistent , it moves and beats like a heart pumping life. Everything about God is consistent. Yet God loves us so much, that our prayers give him joy and happiness. His ways do not change. His character does not change. Oh he may change his appearance from time to time. Whatever he wears. He may change the agenda, and change the food. But it's garenteed that he will always love 💕 and care for his own.
We think we have a good imagination:
Yet our Father loves us more than we can comprehend.
Absolutely nothing can keep us from the love of God through Christ our Lord, and saviour
Quote from: Ross on June 11, 2021, 03:57:03 AM
We think we have a good imagination:
Yet our Father loves us more than we can comprehend.
Absolutely nothing can keep us from the love of God through Christ our Lord, and saviour
yes, He loves ALL...not only a minority of religious folk !...n He promises to save all !...amen
The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, meaning everyone who dwells in it. Eternity is being primed for all of mankind, he is not renting space , our place on the quest list is secure. I am amazed that God and Christ know all men. So many of us, yet individually known by him. It's incredible. Our places are made, our names on them. New names, new bodies or forms, new addresses. Many places to worship in, new earth to walk on.
And plenty of time to get to know God.
Now unto him who is able to keep us from falling, the one true God our maker,
World without end.
Thank you for your love.
Thank you Father for your love of all, even the worse of us. Your salvation is out only hope , your love our insurance. Jesus said he came not to destroy men's lives but to save them. We love you Saviour of the world. Lead us into eternity and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Eternity is for the world , salvation is for the world. Jesus did not start a secret church , he wanted the world to know God. John 17:23,' that the world may know that the Father sent me. Vs21 that the world may believe. Jesus knew that God so loved the world. He was sent to save the world.
My fear has been a problem for me outside of eternity. I wrestle with it.. it even affects my faith. I fear being overconfident and confuse it with faith. I don't want to think In ways
That seem like I am being forward with God and overstepping my bounds. It's weird.
Could at least some of that be a type of OCD issues? In other words, "not really you", but the anxiety within you? (Don't ask me how I might know that ;) ).
Overconfident, to me, is when I pat myself on the back and say,
"Look what I have done. "
The reality of our salvation being totally from and in Christ helps me acknowledge that He has literally covered every aspect of the requirement to enter into heaven boldly before the throne of our Father.
Would seem to be why we are encouraged to take up the cross daily- ergo put our efforts to death and rely totally on Him. This seems to be part of our growth in Christ.
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Could at least some of that be a type of OCD issues? In other words, "not really you", but the anxiety within you? (Don't ask me how I might know that ;) ).
Oh yes for sure.
There's some sort of mystery here. Paul may have termed it "the flesh battling against the spirit". He also talked about "I, yet not I". And finally, "it's no longer me that does it, but the sin that dwells in me". So I think, somewhere in there, there's some comfort and relief if we can find it.
And finally, he says we will be completely delivered of it. So be it.
Blessings.
There is comfort in it. When Paul says "It's no longer I but the sin in me"; sin then can have a hypnotic effect , and we are seduced. We can take an interest in sin, James 1:14-15, we are drawn away and enticed ,and sin is conceived , or we are now conscious of it. The mind games begin.
I am happy we can be delivered from this seduction of the believers mind.
Quote from: Ross on June 15, 2021, 08:42:28 AM
Overconfident, to me, is when I pat myself on the back and say,
"Look what I have done. "
The reality of our salvation being totally from and in Christ helps me acknowledge that He has literally covered every aspect of the requirement to enter into heaven boldly before the throne of our Father.
Would seem to be why we are encouraged to take up the cross daily- ergo put our efforts to death and rely totally on Him. This seems to be part of our growth in Christ.
Amen.
In eternity there will be no need for the Sun , God will be the light. This proves that God can emit enormous energy without hurting anyone. Stunning control of himself. We are very fortunate that God is not given to hissy fits , his power could crack the fabric of reality,he is the fabric of reality. To emit the power of the Sun and light up all of the Kingdom, is simply astounding. Incredible
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Then for God to pivot , take every living human and change them is evolutionary. We evolve from a transition of terror to a new creation
We will not be observers of this, we will participate.
In eternity great change will sizzle, in Jer 24:7, and I will give them a heart to know me,the whole heart 💜. God starting change from the inside
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In eternity there will be no need for the Sun , God will be the light. This proves that God can emit enormous energy without hurting anyone. Stunning control of himself. We are very fortunate that God is not given to hissy fits , his power could crack the fabric of reality,he is the fabric of reality. To emit the power of the Sun and light up all of the Kingdom, is simply astounding. Incredible
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Then for God to pivot , take every living human and change them is evolutionary. We evolve from a transition of terror to a new creation
We will not be observers of this, we will participate.
We can't even look at the sun for 5min, and God has more power than that: which seems to indicate the difference between flesh and spirit. The spirit will be like God in every way, so we too will be doing absolutely everything differently to our current capabilities.
No wonder Paul says to focus on the things to come.
The spirit in us will be similar to God , I don't think in every way. I think God has seven spirits , nothing else will ever be like that. God is beyond explanation ,he alone is what he is , in my view. I even think God has upwards to seven different consciousness.
Rev. 4: 5 says on God's throne are seven lamps of fire which are the seven spirits of God . This is one reason I believe this.
Quote from: Mickiel on June 17, 2021, 08:17:34 PM
Rev. 4: 5 says on God's throne are seven lamps of fire which are the seven spirits of God . This is one reason I believe this.
Of course this is speculation on my part ,but I believe it as of now. God having seven spirits is remarkable and helps explain how powerful God is. We all have one spirit. And usually what God gives a spirit, he gives a consciousness. Both are morphed into each other. Which is why I think God may have seven consciousness , which would be astounding.. what awesome power
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Rev. 4: 5 says on God's throne are seven lamps of fire which are the seven spirits of God . This is one reason I believe this.
Rev.5:6 repeats that God has seven spirits and he will send them to earth. So God has what I call "Extension", or he can extend his spirits outside of himself. This is also how I believe Jesus is the firstborn of all creation, he was in the Father and God extended him outward to have his own life. Look at John 8:42, examine closely where Jesus said he came from," I proceeded forth and came from God." That sounds like a birth to me. In John 6:57 Jesus says he lives because of the Father. In John 5:26, notice, "For as a he Father has life in himself , he has given to the Son to have life in himself. So there was a time that he had not given that, which is of interest.
Of course this is speculation on my part ,but I believe it as of now. God having seven spirits is remarkable and helps explain how powerful God is. We all have one spirit. And usually what God gives a spirit, he gives a consciousness. Both are morphed into each other. Which is why I think God may have seven consciousness , which would be astounding.. what awesome power
Jesus then is life, the bread of life, John 6:48 ,in vs. 51 Jesus is the living bread that gives us eternal life. This is our salvation. In John 10:38," The Father is in me and I him. Again Jesus says he was in God. A holy morph that we will share as Christ becomes all and in all.
This makes me Wonder what does Christ in you mean? It can't be literal , so it is spiritual. Two people being so close to each other that they think alike , believe the same things , have similar characters , they trust and love one another. Both have the same spiritual DNA.
Jesus was in God . John 16:27-28 , For the Father himself loves you , because you love me and have believed" I came out from God''. Came out from God . As if he was inside him. Vs 28- I came forth From the Father. He was in and came out. The bond here is beyond words.
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Jesus again in John 14:11," Believe me , I am in the Father and the Father in me.' Believe because it's hard to believe. Difficult to understand. Vs 10 repeats this
Consider John 1:18", No man has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the Fathers bosom, he has declared him." Notice -"In the Fathers bosom ", remember he came out from God, and was in the Fathers
bosom. This continual language suggest God gave birth to Jesus. I mean it's what I see. A woman's bosom is her stomach, inside her. So God has life in himself, in his bosom. John 5:26 he gave this power to Christ. So in John 6:50-51, the bread of life that comes down from heaven , comes from Gods bosom. Jesus proceeded forth and came from God, John 8:42. Proceeding from a womb,a bosom is a birth. God gave birth to Christ. In John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God , ( and I think the rest should have read " And the Word was in God.")In the beginning should have read -" In a beginning." These are speculation that make more sense to me. I understand it better this way.
I don't know if we can say 'Spiritual DNA', and that be correct , but I think you understand my use of it. What ever God is, we came from him. His spirit is our salvation. We are his offspring , he birthed us and we are now in his incubator , earth.
I am reminded , in an extraordinary fashion, of the mother sea turtle that comes ashore and has thousands of baby turtles in the sand. She left her natural environment , the water, and deposited her offspring on a totally different environment
Then she leaves them and returns to the sea
They will grow in a limited environment , nothing like the sea.
Erie simulation to how God did us. This world is not our home. And we must find the water and swim against the stream to get home. God sent Jesus to prepare the way. This hole he dug and placed us in is our unique incubator.
It's like the sea is eternity in this parable of turtles. Full of mystery and space, sparkling with new creatures that God has made. Christ came out of eternity to appear to the world, Hebrews 9:28, he appeared once to Bear the sins of many and he will appear a second time without sin into Salvation. He was the lamb slain and got us out of the hole and redeemed us to God. And he will take us into the sea of eternity. I have a frigthning kind of joy inside my fear of the sea. I am comforted by the gospel of Christ , for it is the power of God into salvation when eternity shall be revealed, eternity - that sea of the universe.
I remember first hearing the word of truth from Gary at tentmakers site. I believed this new gospel and according to scripture I was sealed. Ephesians 1:13 after hearing the word of truth , the gospel of your salvation; in whom you believed , you were sealed with the holy spirit of promise. My reservation in eternity was secured. I could never forget Tentmaker after that.
Eternity is like the rain, it will fall on mankind. And lovingly on all of humanity. There is no finer gospel than universal salvation , I have examined many of them. Most religions I examined had some kind of hell. A few had God destroying all he condemned. Universal salvation was just unique to me , it was a wonderful way of God forgiving humanity and loving them all , including them all. I kept examining it over and over again, from all angles. The forgiving of all of the most horrible sins was a Grace that scared me , but it helped explain God better to me, I mean it fits God far better than other gospels. Universal Salvation is best expressed by the fruit of the spirit. It explains love , joy , goodness , kindness , patience and long-suffering. It requires all of that to be true. The fruit of the spirit explains God, it describes him. They are how he lives and rules.
Eternity is substained and ruled by God. Salvation is substained and explains God. Galatians 5: 22-23 ,what we know as the fruit of the spirit , explains God, eternity and salvation. Love , joy ,peace , long-suffering , gentleness , goodness , faith , meekness and temperance are the essential character of God. They are the essential internal organs of universal salvation , they are how God rules and thinks. There are no laws in heaven, the kingdom of God is ruled by these fruit, and read closely the latter part of verse 23, "Against such there is no law." When the society is living by these fruit it needs no laws. So there are no laws in eternity , it is in total complete peace. God is it's substainer. So salvation was designed by these principles , which are how God concentrates.
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Eternity is substained and ruled by God. Salvation is substained and explains God. Galatians 5: 22-23 ,what we know as the fruit of the spirit , explains God, eternity and salvation. Love , joy ,peace , long-suffering , gentleness , goodness , faith , meekness and temperance are the essential character of God. They are the essential internal organs of universal salvation , they are how God rules and thinks. There are no laws in heaven, the kingdom of God is ruled by these fruit, and read closely the latter part of verse 23, "Against such there is no law." When the society is living by these fruit it needs no laws. So there are no laws in eternity , it is in total complete peace. God is it's substainer. So salvation was designed by these principles , which are how God concentrates.
For all to be saved , God must love all and desires to be good and gentle to them. This garentees the salvation of all. Imagine standing in court and you are quilty. And the judge you face is patient , long-suffering , kind ,good And is full of joy in his demeanor , your chances are good. And God is faithful in his judgement. When humanity stands before him, they stand before the fruit of the spirit. This is there is no condemnation in heaven, God as ruler and Jesus as the ransom in God's figuring and decided plans. Our chances are perfectly good.
So salvation is as vast as the sea and will engulf all life. All things will be revealed in its time, even Revelations is an open book. Rev.22:10," And he said to me, seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand." This is not sealed knowledge. It makes no difference what humanity does , their salvation is secure. Rev. 22:11 " He that is unjust , let him be unjust still.and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: he that is righteous , let him be righteous still. He who is holy, be holy still." In other words it makes no difference , the future is predetermined no matter what you do. God is saving both saint and sinner , righteous and unrighteous. The bible is not advising people to sin , it is posting outcome as the importance: the final issue is Christ is alpha and Omega , the complete cycle of life. The bright and morning Star of salvation.
In the beginning was the word, ( in a beginning/), the word was with God and the word was in God,
John 1;4 in him was life, and the life was the light of men. Vs9 that was the true light which lighteth every man that comes into the world. John 1 :29 behold the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world. No religion can get those sins back , although they try. In vs 33 you see the holy spirit descending and( Remaining) , on him. It didn't just visit it remained on him. Many believers the spirit just visits them and it leaves.
I think the spirit visits me at times, but it does not remain. It would be quite something if it did. When it remains inside of you , then God has gifted you with it. Some have the spirit with them but not in them , there is a difference. It's hard for some believers to discern this correctly. Too much pride can spoil the truth of yourself. When the spirit remains, then you have much power and insight.
There is a spirit in every human, the spirit of life. The spirit that gives you consciousness.. then there is the holy spirit, when that remains in you, you are called and chosen. Converted. But even if the spirit just visits you, you can be fed much knowledge..being born again is being changed from human to spirit, in my view. It means exactly what it. Says, born again you are no longer human but a complete different creature.. oh how this is misunderstood. Again because of pride and ignorance of the truth.
Jesus in John 3: 5-8. He said if your not born of the spirit, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of god, because your still human he states in factually that which is born of the flesh, is still flesh. That which is born of the spirit, is a spirit being. The wind blows where it does, and you cannot tell where it comes from.so it is with those who are born again , you cannot see them, they are invisible to the human eye. This is a difficult subject because many do not know the difference between being born again and having God's spirit.
God be with you does not mean he is in you. Either is a blessing. But some believers are claiming everything. I fear trying to tell myself things that are not true in this particular subject. We need to ask God's discernment in these matters. The name it claim it syndrome has run rampant in many believers. Make your calling sure. Know where God has you.
In Psalms 100 , serve the Lord with gladness , Thanksgiving and praise. For the Lord is good, his mercy everlasting , and his truth endureth to all generations. Notice all the fruit of the spirit at work here. Our citizens rights in the Kingdom are the fruit of the spirit. God is our salvation , psalm 88:1. His salvation is near and Psalm 85 reveals the way salvation and fruit of the spirit intertwine. All flesh will come to God, Psalm 65: 2. Remember that when humanity stands before God , they stand before the fruit of the spirit , large scale high powered goodness , mercy and love. Salvation is free but it stands on the fruit of the spirlit.
Psalm. 111:4 ,"The Lord is gracious and full of compassion. Praise him.
I remember that the movie "Stargate ', where you had to walk through a mysterious gateway that sucked you into any part of the universe - a most unusual way to travel in space. The portal looked like a gate of Water , and they just walked through this gate for destinations on the other side of the in universe. It reminds me of how we will walk into eternity. No sin can get through this portal. You come out on the other side of eternity. Changed in seconds into a spirit being. God has this is thing ready. We will begin eternity with a big bang..
I want to see the 24 elders on God's throne. I want to see his throne and all the angelic beings on it. All the creatures around it. It's going to be awesome baby. And those angels God has restrained in heaven that will wreck havock on earth and kill so many, I just want to see these most frightening angels who are now bound in heaven
Cold blooded killers that will kill billions of humans.. I just sense that God wants this over and done with.
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In Rev. 15:3-5, the vials of wrath. "The second angel poured out his Vail upon the sea. It became as the blood or a dead man , and every living soul died in the sea. The third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and mountians of water: and they became blood. Interesting these angels , in vs 5, are called The angels of the waters. It is important to God that the waters be changed for our future use of it. It's used to help purge sin and will be changed into our pure water source. So pure it will have power. Much of Revelations are the stirilizations of the earth and the destruction of it. It is being remodeled. From the inside out. God is avenging the apostles and prophets.
God is serious about salvation. In Rev .19: many people in heaven sang songs ,singing Alleluia; Salvation and glory and honour and power to the Lord God.
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In Rev. 15:3-5, the vials of wrath. "The second angel poured out his Vail upon the sea. It became as the blood or a dead man , and every living soul died in the sea. The third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and mountians of water: and they became blood. Interesting these angels , in vs 5, are called The angels of the waters. It is important to God that the waters be changed for our future use of it. It's used to help purge sin and will be changed into our pure water source. So pure it will have power. Much of Revelations are the stirilizations of the earth and the destruction of it. It is being remodeled. From the inside out. God is avenging the apostles and prophets.
God is serious about salvation. In Rev .19: many people in heaven sang songs ,singing Alleluia; Salvation and glory and honour and power to the Lord God.
Notice God list salvation first in this monologue. It is most important to him. We have been ruffed up by
Sin and Satan . Tested and made to suffer.many were turned back
And fell victim to Satan. God has them covered. Millions thrown into his incubator. He will not loose any. The brutal suffering will turn sweet. We not the world will ever question God's wrath again. Nor will we ever view him as well. Salvation had to have this brutal side. No one will ever question if we are safe or will be attacked again. When God sent Jesus to die, he knew he committed himself to put salvation. He was committed to the Earth's renewal. Like a construction crew that destroys a building and yet rebuild on that spot. God will destroy earth with surgical precision
And will create a Paradise
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In 1Thess. 4/17-then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, so shall we ever be with the Lord. Our eternity begins 💕. Jesus in John 14/2-3, In my Father's house are many mansions if it were not so I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. So Jesus has told us, it is so. We will have a mansion as our home. We won't be living in caves , we will each have a mansion as our own abode . A mansion designed by heavens architects. This is a clue that we will be rich.
The grass will be lawn perfect and green, the trees beatification beyond belief. The very atmosphere fresh and pure. Holy lakes and angelic caretakers. And the best Food we have ever ate. We will have access to the prophets and disciples , all biblical characters. And we will be at perfect peace. Then we can even le?rn things about ourselves and on counseling learn much about our human lives.
Jesus teaching on praying said Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. God's will is the way of heaven. No laws
Just God's ways. The fruit of the spirit are the ways and means of God. His will is that the lion lay next to the lamb . Not kill him. His way is peace between everyone, we are human and will need lots of God education about the Kingdom. The Kingdom is not new, it's old And ancient , parts of it being remodel for us.
This is a big event in heaven, we will change the whole atmosphere. We will enter heaven having gone through what none else have. Now God will populate heaven with his own.
In Rev.22= 3 , And there shall be no more curse but the throne of God and of the lamb shall be in it, and his servants shall serve him. I like that, we shall serve him. Rev. 21=25, and the gates of the holy city shall never be closed. In verse 15-16 the city measured, it is 1500 miles long, wide and tall. Good grief! 1500 miles high.
The fear of eternity is like the fear of Salvation , humans fearing good things. A phycology we are born exposed to , mostly by religion. One of the hardest things in My conversion was to unlearn lies. Jer. 16:19. We have inherited lies. The fear of hell is Popular pocket toys for babies that grows into monsters. Trojan horses set in every church. The true integrity of God marred by ignorance and insulted by theological idiots.
In my fear of Salvation , I had a racist fear. I was taught all The biblical characters were white , that Jesus was white ,even God was white. No black representation anywhere. I was angry at that and used to ask God why? But being fed more truth calmed my fears. Satan can feed on any fear.
Religion even taught me to fear certain foods until truth saved me from those.
Jesus was offered power and all the kingdoms of the world in place of salvation , he waved Satan off. Much has happened for our salvation, cherish it with all you heart.
Isn't it unusual, we are waiting to live forever. What do we pack for. Such a Trip?
Quote from: Mickiel on June 27, 2021, 06:38:34 AM
Isn't it unusual, we are waiting to live forever. What do we pack for. Such a Trip?
We brought nothing into this world and we will go into our salvation with the beginning of a renewed consciousness into eternity. Eye has not seen neither can we imagine what awaits us in the Kingdom. Our hope is magnifying.
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Isn't it unusual, we are waiting to live forever. What do we pack for. Such a Trip?
We brought nothing into this world and we will go into our salvation with the beginning of a renewed consciousness into eternity. Eye has not seen neither can we imagine what awaits us in the Kingdom. Our hope is magnifying.
But the nothing that the scientist claims brought is into existence is raw deception , we did not come from nothing. Something cannot bring itself into existence , since it must exist to bring itself into existence. Our origin is the consciousness of God. He perceived us. It's impossible for anything to exist unperceived.
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Isn't it unusual, we are waiting to live forever. What do we pack for. Such a Trip?
We brought nothing into this world and we will go into our salvation with the beginning of a renewed consciousness into eternity. Eye has not seen neither can we imagine what awaits us in the Kingdom. Our hope is magnifying.
But the nothing that the scientist claims brought is into existence is raw deception , we did not come from nothing. Something cannot bring itself into existence , since it must exist to bring itself into existence. Our origin is the consciousness of God. He perceived us. It's impossible for anything to exist unperceived.
As God gave it to Adam to name all animals , in John 1:3 he gave to Christ to create all things , " All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made." He perceived all things , Col. 1:17.
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Isn't it unusual, we are waiting to live forever. What do we pack for. Such a Trip?
We brought nothing into this world and we will go into our salvation with the beginning of a renewed consciousness into eternity. Eye has not seen neither can we imagine what awaits us in the Kingdom. Our hope is magnifying.
But the nothing that the scientist claims brought is into existence is raw deception , we did not come from nothing. Something cannot bring itself into existence , since it must exist to bring itself into existence. Our origin is the consciousness of God. He perceived us. It's impossible for anything to exist unperceived.
As God gave it to Adam to name all animals , in John 1:3 he gave to Christ to create all things , " All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made." He perceived all things , Col. 1:17.
This is how Christ is all and in all.
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Isn't it unusual, we are waiting to live forever. What do we pack for. Such a Trip?
We brought nothing into this world and we will go into our salvation with the beginning of a renewed consciousness into eternity. Eye has not seen neither can we imagine what awaits us in the Kingdom. Our hope is magnifying.
But the nothing that the scientist claims brought is into existence is raw deception , we did not come from nothing. Something cannot bring itself into existence , since it must exist to bring itself into existence. Our origin is the consciousness of God. He perceived us. It's impossible for anything to exist unperceived.
As God gave it to Adam to name all animals , in John 1:3 he gave to Christ to create all things , " All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made." He perceived all things , Col. 1:17.
This is how Christ is all and in all.
In Col.1:16 , the superiority of Christ , for by him were all things created , that are in heaven , and on earth , visible and invisible thrones or dominions, or principalities or powers, all things were created by him and for him. He is all in all because all humanity is his body.
Salvation is a big deal. Earth's current population is around 7 billion. If we speculate on how many humans have ever lived: we can't. But let's guess between 100 billion on the low end, upwards to 500 billion , who knows? But we're talking about a whole lot of humans.
Humanity is the body of Christ , He is all and in all because we will have put on the new man. Which is after the image of Christ. In this image there is neither jew nor Greek , circumcision or uncircumcised, barbarian , scythian bond or free: but Christ is all In all. Amazing how he does his , a ransom for all. He is protecting us all.
I believe we exist because of Jesus. The Father wanted a Son so he birthed Christ. I think Jesus tuned out so well it pleased the Father. It made him want more children , and this is one reason we exist.
I wonder why God choose this avenue for Salvation?
Wonder why the suffering?
He disciplines whom He loves.
His love never fails.
Creating has not stopped- but is being prepared for the next phase.
The angels will have a complete change to their role.
The ecclesia will be the first to be involved, then others, then the rest after their correction.
A master plan with great outcome.
As I meditate on the master plan , I know if God has done something, then it could not be done in a better way. I just wonder what he is accomplishing from our suffering?
He's getting something out of it, something with eternal ramifications. Something more good than I can figure.
Even the ones we think will be first in the plan, I think they will be last.
I guess I just don't like suffering.
I often wonder what the 4 most powerful things in salvation are? I would say Christ , love ,joy and Gods will.
Love , joy , will: whew wow!
Quote from: Mickiel on July 02, 2021, 04:29:54 AM
I often wonder what the 4 most powerful things in salvation are? I would say Christ , love ,joy and Gods will.
Love , joy , will: whew wow!
Then again one could make another case for salvation's big four; Mercy, forgiveness , grace and kindness, and those be relevant as well.
There are a lot of strengths to support universal salvation. See if you make a list that would stop them. What really could compete with them? Basically the fruit of the spirit are all the protectors of salvation. Against such things there is no law. They have no enemies in heaven. I think the fruit of the spirit are alive; living principalities.it may take some time to get a personal audience with God, but I have a hundred questions.
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I often wonder what the 4 most powerful things in salvation are? I would say Christ , love ,joy and Gods will.
Love , joy , will: whew wow!
Then again one could make another case for salvation's big four; Mercy, forgiveness , grace and kindness, and those be relevant as well.
There are a lot of strengths to support universal salvation. See if you make a list that would stop them. What really could compete with them? Basically the fruit of the spirit are all the protectors of salvation. Against such things there is no law. They have no enemies in heaven. I think the fruit of the spirit are alive; living principalities.it may take some time to get a personal audience with God, but I have a hundred questions.
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To kneel before God , is to be in the presence of self generating combustion power containment spirit filled Life. God is a birthing mecca. He is responsible for all things.
Tentmaker is the one of the few places that publish good news, Isaiah 52:7, how beautiful this place that bring good tidings of good. To proclaim the acceptance of the Lord.
Malachi 2:10 "Have we not all one Father ?Hath not one God created us? Through the generation of Jesus, the son of David
. Seek you first the kingdom of God and his righteousness , make your calling and election sure. And sow the good seed.
Salvation is the longing for the inheritance. It is the darling of our future. It is our crowning of our future. A glorious day in heaven. The flower of God's eyes
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As I meditate on the master plan , I know if God has done something, then it could not be done in a better way. I just wonder what he is accomplishing from our suffering?
He's getting something out of it, something with eternal ramifications. Something more good than I can figure.
How do you create genuinely able to think and reason beings,
and kepp paradise/perfection intact? Which part of the package of thinking, is the ability to make choices (thankfully very limited).
If God is Life itself, and what else could be? And he ?is perfect?, to stray from him in any thought, word or deed, is to become imperfect, opposite of Life. But had he withheld the ability to make choices, thinking and reasoning ability would have to be withheld as well.
I agree it?s not what he created so much as it is what he is creating. :gsmile:
Quote from: marie glen on July 03, 2021, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: Mickiel on July 01, 2021, 03:50:26 AM
As I meditate on the master plan , I know if God has done something, then it could not be done in a better way. I just wonder what he is accomplishing from our suffering?
He's getting something out of it, something with eternal ramifications. Something more good than I can figure.
How do you create genuinely able to think and reason beings, and kepp paradise/perfection intact? Which part of the package of thinking, is the ability to make choices (thankfully very limited).
If God is Life itself, and what else could be? And he ?is perfect?, to stray from him in any thought, word or deed, is to become imperfect, opposite of Life. But had he withheld the ability to make choices, thinking and reasoning ability would have to be withheld as well.
I agree it?s not what he created so much as it is what he is creating. :gsmile:
Yes he is still creating, not finished. I think the work will continue on into eternity. Being born again is merely the shifting of gears unto a higher gear. An upgrade of spiritual technology. The civilization in the Kingdom is a working kingdom. We have jobs to learn , responsibilities to absorb. A whole new consciousness awaits us. And the best minds in the universe to train us.
The best minds in the universe to train us. Matt. 4:11 and the devil Left him and angels came and ministered to him. As we transfigure into the kingdom , angels will minister to us , and we're going to need that because we'll have been through fire trials and all kinds of mess.
Angels ministering says a lot. I'm sure they fed Christ food and drink , but ministering is also spiritual , they got him together spiritually. And so with us as we are transfigured into eternity. Some of us will be in shock , other nervous breakdowns. They will have to go into our consciousness and appeal directly to our brain's different sections , and reveal and remove deception.
Quote from: Mickiel on June 29, 2021, 03:38:36 AM
Salvation is a big deal. Earth's current population is around 7 billion. If we speculate on how many humans have ever lived: we can't. But let's guess between 100 billion on the low end, upwards to 500 billion , who knows? But we're talking about a whole lot of humans.
mind boggling
Quote from: darryl on July 05, 2021, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: Mickiel on June 29, 2021, 03:38:36 AM
Salvation is a big deal. Earth's current population is around 7 billion. If we speculate on how many humans have ever lived: we can't. But let's guess between 100 billion on the low end, upwards to 500 billion , who knows? But we're talking about a whole lot of humans.
mind boggling
Even more mind boggling is the eternal hell doctrine. If just 100 billion humans are in a lake of fire suffering for eternity , that would be barbaric and insane. One of Jesus teachings is clearly against this. In Matt.24:21 he called the great tribulation the worse thing that could ever happen to humanity or ever will. If this hell doctrine were true, it surely would be the worse thing imaginable, far worse than the tribulation.
These hell deceptions are really depressing people, they think we live in a type of hell then die and go to hell. They are blind to the victory of Christ. so they cannot believe in God , they are led to believe nothing. Atheism, the big nothing. Salvation was choked out of their spirit. Churches turn them off. They have been bushwacked by hordes of demons, ganged up on.
Yet none of them are lost, praise God for his reach
Praise God for his salvation. I think so much about God, nothing better to do. I wonder what he thinks of me? I wonder how often he personally addresses the hordes of heaven. What does he say? Know he likes singing , I wonder if he sings himself. Wonder what he looks like. In Psalms it says he adorns him self with majesty. A key that he created parts of himself. I'll show the scripture later .
It says he made himself more beautiful. It almost describes
him like we would describe a woman . Using those terms.. he's lovely. And it uses masculine terms as well
. Without heavenly shielding we look at him and die. Stunning!
Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 01:48:51 AM
Praise God for his salvation. I think so much about God, nothing better to do. I wonder what he thinks of me? I wonder how often he personally addresses the hordes of heaven. What does he say? Know he likes singing , I wonder if he sings himself. Wonder what he looks like. In Psalms it says he adorns him self with majesty. A key that he created parts of himself. I'll show the scripture later .
It says he made himself more beautiful. It almost describes
him like we would describe a woman . Using those terms.. he's lovely. And it uses masculine terms as well
. Without heavenly shielding we look at him and die. Stunning!
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In Job 40:10 Deck thyself with majesty and glory and Excellency
. In Psalms 104;2 God covers himself with light. Like a garment
Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 02:54:29 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 01:48:51 AM
Praise God for his salvation. I think so much about God, nothing better to do. I wonder what he thinks of me? I wonder how often he personally addresses the hordes of heaven. What does he say? Know he likes singing , I wonder if he sings himself. Wonder what he looks like. In Psalms it says he adorns him self with majesty. A key that he created parts of himself. I'll show the scripture later .
It says he made himself more beautiful. It almost describes
him like we would describe a woman . Using those terms.. he's lovely. And it uses masculine terms as well
. Without heavenly shielding we look at him and die. Stunning!
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In Job 40:10 Deck thyself with majesty and glory and Excellency
. In Psalms 104;2 God covers himself with light. Like a garment
Here we see God doing things to himself. God is poking at Job asking him if he can do what he can. He 'decked himself" .. or he created more majestic glory about himself. He "Covers himself" with light , as if it's a part of his wardrobe. Stunning.
Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings. Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb. A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.
Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 11:44:36 AM
Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings. Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb. A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.
Isiaiah says God created evil...and darkness....not moral evil, i believe..but evil events for a greater Good
Quote from: darryl on July 06, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 11:44:36 AM
Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings. Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb. A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.
Isiaiah says God created evil...and darkness....not moral evil, i believe..but evil events for a greater Good
Can you explain how moral evil is seperate from evil.
In my view God can infect the morals of a human, with evil , ..,even harden their hearts. He can easily install it on their memory banks and appeal directly to the cerebellum in the cerebral cortex of their brain. It will be there and stay there and until they are released. He can even lock them up in unbelief , which is a moral evil.
In Lamentations 3:38 out of the Lord's mouth proceeds evil and good. In vs 9 again we see him making a path crooked. In fact a whole church of God had bad morals, the church at Pergamos in Rev.2:15 had beliefs that Jesus hated! Because the doctrines were evil.
God created Satan , the king of evil moral. When Satan enters the human consciousness , he now controls the cerebral cortex and a devastating dominion of extraordinary manipulation begins and it can last a lifetime. How great is the darkness?
Once Satan has accessed the cerebrum cortex , then the consciousness can be seared. No condition he can put you in is out of bounds. Look at how Satan has deceived the world. He has them believing that we came from apes. We are not continuous with the idiot heirachy of speechless apes.
One of the keys to Satan deceiving is mind games. One game is to con you, trick you into thinking you don't have something that you do , like salvation. He enters doubt into you, like entering data into a computer. God says life but Satan says death. God says you are his, Satan cons and says y our not good enough. God says the salvation of all is possible, religion says it's blasphemy.
So Satan counts counter clockwise. He places other images in the mirror your eyes peer into. Sinister systematic seduction of the Christian mind. He alters God's image. The image of God is his mind. We are in his image means we have a mind, Satan wants to subtract and distort that.
In James 1:14-15 we see the cerebral cortex being accessed; "But every man is tempted , when he is drawn away by his own lust , and enticed: now the thought goes up and he is accessed. Then when lust has conceived , it gives birth to sin; now the consciousness is seduced and stuck. The results can be like quick sand or slow sand.
The trap can last a lifetime if God does not intervene.this is part of what we need salvation from. A whirlwind of deception can exist in this process. Conversely a whirlwind of truth as well.
About the best reasoning I have read is that God designed salvation to be a challenge to us that builds character, through the push and pull in life. God never had any opposition so he had to create it. I am open to any other views.
In Isaiah 65:17-19 "I create a new heaven and a 🆕 earth. He created Jerusalem rejoicing, her people a joy. Again love, joy, will. The former things will not be remembered.
Quote from: Mickiel on July 09, 2021, 04:14:33 AM
In Isaiah 65:17-19 "I create a new heaven and a 🆕 earth. He created Jerusalem rejoicing, her people a joy. Again love, joy, will. The former things will not be remembered.
I wonder what God means when he said he will create new heavens? Does he mean a whole new universe? This makes salvation even more exciting. How will we travel? The universe is endless and eternity is as well. This is so exciting.
John saw a new heaven and a new earth, in Rev. 21:1-2, coming down from God, " Prepared" as a bride for her husband. Even the holy city is described like we would describe a woman. The intimacy here is impactful. It's going to be beautiful and God will wipe away our tears.. Spiritually sensual as God personally crosses us over. A show of care and concern , and he will be with us. He promised to make all things new.
Even we are described in terms of a woman, in Rev.19:7-8 , we are called Christ wife arrayed the in fine linen. A romance , it's a love story. Salvation is a biblical love story.
In Gen. 17 One of God's names can be interpreted Elshaddy ,or the many breasted one , feminine isn't it. There is neither male or female in heaven , nothing is said about a mixture of the two. Or characteristics of the two. I am sure no sexual organs , but Hallmark creative signs of the two , like faces and hair on angels that appear human.
So much male and female connotations are used in the bible , that I think the kingdom creations do reflect some level of it in both the angelic realm and God himself. And we surely must be cautious as to how we describe God.
The bible is not sexist because neither is salvation. Women financed Christ ministry , he was born of the spirit through a woman. We have female biblical authors ,. And we have Eve , the first human to confront Satan. Eve was a leader with a strong will ,we know this from God's curse on her , to be submissive to Adam , meaning she was not that way before. Why would God curse her with a condition she was already in? So Pryor to her stepping up on Satan, she was most likely The leader and not submissive..
Hi Michiel,
I was just browsing through some of your posts. I understand the way you ask questions and think and reason, because I have the tendency to think that way too (and get stuck). One thing is, I don?t want to say this as a cliche, some things are really beyond what we can imagine. Like time and space, no one can grasp the idea of universe (what is beyond the universe? And beyond that? And when it stops what comes beyond that? Same with time and eternity, your mind snaps when you try to comprehend something that?s just to big for the little brains we have.
When I read your seeking questions that beg for answers it reminds me of the need to be as a little child that trusts it?s Father. Even if they are traveling to a place that is totally new and strange to the child, but the Father knows where you?re going and the child feels safe since he knows the Father is good and cares for Him. There are things you just can?t explain to little ones, and our Father is so much bigger than us. I don?t say stop thinking. But I?ve found that some sorts of reasoning, or trying to grasp things just don?t work and make you walk in circles in your head and don?t bring you nearer to really knowing Him. And that is what Christ came to give us: ?And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.?
I?ve found that when I ask questions to my Father as a child does, it brings me in a much better place then when I am just trying to figure out an unknown mystical being called God. Even if it?s just a childlike cry, maybe full of frustration and hurt. Even if I don?t have the answers immediately (often they come gradually, over time, or I am even changed by just the process of asking and crying out and the question might even no longer be an issue).
Quote from: Abigail on July 10, 2021, 11:04:05 PM
Hi Michiel,
I was just browsing through some of your posts. I understand the way you ask questions and think and reason, because I have the tendency to think that way too (and get stuck). One thing is, I don?t want to say this as a cliche, some things are really beyond what we can imagine. Like time and space, no one can grasp the idea of universe (what is beyond the universe? And beyond that? And when it stops what comes beyond that? Same with time and eternity, your mind snaps when you try to comprehend something that?s just to big for the little brains we have.
When I read your seeking questions that beg for answers it reminds me of the need to be as a little child that trusts it?s Father. Even if they are traveling to a place that is totally new and strange to the child, but the Father knows where you?re going and the child feels safe since he knows the Father is good and cares for Him. There are things you just can?t explain to little ones, and our Father is so much bigger than us. I don?t say stop thinking. But I?ve found that some sorts of reasoning, or trying to grasp things just don?t work and make you walk in circles in your head and don?t bring you nearer to really knowing Him. And that is what Christ came to give us: ?And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.?
I?ve found that when I ask questions to my Father as a child does, it brings me in a much better place then when I am just trying to figure out an unknown mystical being called God. Even if it?s just a childlike cry, maybe full of frustration and hurt. Even if I don?t have the answers immediately (often they come gradually, over time, or I am even changed by just the process of asking and crying out and the question might even no longer be an issue).
Hello Abigail,
Your so right , I am so curious about so many things , even my own notes confuse me at times, I wonder "Where did that come From"? But as you say God is driving us and he knows where he is going. I have asked him many questions over the years, some answered some not. But I always ask him and Jesus to not allow me to mislead people. Sometimes my thoughts are nuclear and Xplosive. So I have to keep his word in front of my frail mind.
I thank you for your kindness.
The female point of view is most interesting. Also interesting is that more females are believers than males , and that's across all cultures. And more religious. If God had not cursed Eve I think women would have run this world. Now that would have been interesting.
Understanding time and eternity would be quite something. It's like a world with no rivers or lakes , no sea. A world where it never rained. A world with no pain , no currency , where no one ever died. A world with no time. Now that one I really don't understand. I don't see how time cannot exist. If we're living in the kingdom and you see me walking and you plan on coming by my mansion, do you day, "See you in ten minutes". But you can't say that if no time exist. We can never know how old God is.. How does heaven schedule things? How can we ever talk about the past, if the past no longer exist? Is having a memory forbidden?
This is going to be otherworldly.
Doesn't it make more sense to say time exist in eternity , but it just has no end? Eternity is time with no end. I mean how does that strike you? If I spend eternity with you, am I not spending time with you?
I am not arguing , but let's say if I was, I would argue for time being something we cannot just brush off because we lack knowledge , we error because of that. Why should time be eliminated? What scripture says it should. A thousand years is as one day with God, can just as well mean time passes fast with him instead of slow. Or it could mean time is measured differently. Years and days are still time.
God is just not bound by time, that means many things in eternity, like people don't age. God's 24 elders on his throne are hinted to be ancient. Wise beings, like God's advisory board. His deepest friends and servants he deeply trust. With Christ at his side and these elders , along with great awesome Cerephims and Cherabs , God's throne is formidable and had sanctified and sanctioned salvation. All their power invested on in us , and I suggest they planned it and that takes time, God could have to instantaneous done all this in an instant. But he didn't , he took his time. He wanted the time taken. We're waiting are we not. Do you think in the kingdom we won't have to wait on things?
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.most believers think there will be no more time. I think time just won't end.
It's strange to me how many are dismissing time iin eternity, when one of the definitions of eternity is endless time.
Quote from: Mickiel on July 11, 2021, 10:43:11 PM
It's strange to me how many are dismissing time iin eternity, when one of the definitions of eternity is endless time.
On Isaiah 46:9-10, God speaking, ' Remember the former things of old , for I am God , and there is none like me. Declaring the end and from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done.. saying my counsel shall stand and I will do all my pleasure. So we can remember the former things of God old. And Notice God said of time can be things not yet done. And he says he will do them. But he's taking his time. In the kingdom we will be on God's time.
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From ancient times God's counsel shall stand , Isaiah 46;10
Look at that will you , God's counsel and time are old., But they shall stand, we cannot strip time from God's wisdom. In Psalms 33:11the counsel of the Lord stands forever. In my view this means time stands forever.
God says his counsel shall stand , from ancient times it stands forever. This is God revealing that time is ancient , l can no longer agree that time was created for man. Mankind was alloted a certain amount of time to exist and in flesh , but time was here far before we were. Time is simply the pace and space of God. Somebody came up with some attractive slick ways to define time and eternity , you know, that shinning glowing knowledge that swells the head , and we become interested.
Now we want to strip time from eternity , that's like trying to remove pace from God's plans. As if he is human and has all day to do nothing. Along with his great power comes great responsibility. His counsel , his time are deeply thought out and discussed.
In Rev.20:6 it speaks of the first resurrection and the Priest of God and Christ shall reign one thousand years. This is in the kingdom in eternity , and it's predicting time. Verse 7 says when the thousand years have expired, Satan is loosed, but this has time expiring on a planned event which I find hard to believe any way. Satan being loosed with in the kingdom and thousands being deceived. There's something weird about that , it makes no sense to me, but that is just my opinion. All that is unneeded. Cruel and unlike God's planning.
Quote from: Mickiel on July 12, 2021, 12:43:45 AM
In Rev.20:6 it speaks of the first resurrection and the Priest of God and Christ shall reign one thousand years. This is in the kingdom in eternity , and it's predicting time. Verse 7 says when the thousand years have expired, Satan is loosed, but this has time expiring on a planned event which I find hard to believe any way. Satan being loosed with in the kingdom and thousands being deceived. There's something weird about that , it makes no sense to me, but that is just my opinion. All that is unneeded. Cruel and unlike God's planning.
It's really weird to disagree with something in scripture, it hurts my heart to think about the kingdom already established, and it gives a measured time event , one thousand years. Then after all that peace and love , now Satan is loosed on the people again. That to me is barbaric . Just makes no sense to me. But you know how it is when you don't know and comprehend things. Excuse me please but I just don't like this. It's just so out of place.
As shady as it is to me , Rev.20:6 shows time being counted in eternity, a strange and most unusual event that highlights a one thousand year period where satan is bound and then loosed after the 1,000 period is over and he attacks the people again. Although I use it as an example of time existing in eternity , I find the event itself questionable. Why do this after 10000 years of peace.
Most likely the citizens knows it's committed by scripture and coming. What are they to do, count the days until it comes? After all that kingdom time Satan is allowed to wreck more havoc? He should have been killed and gone, but now this evil again. In my view , and I stress that this is my personal view , it's one of those spots in scripture I hope we got wrong. I sense something seriously in error here and it depresses me without end.
I pray God's understanding and he help my unbelief.
Will heaven have a calendar of events in the Kingdom? I think a reasonable question. Because if it does, then time is measured there. Let's say an event is coming ,how will the citizens be notified? However it's done , it must include a time up ahead. Tomorrow , next week ,or the third cock crowing. Word of mouth. The event just automatically placed within our minds.? In. Some cases it's better tu use time not dismiss it. Time is not evil.
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I don't know, God has a way of testing people. The time he was seeing if his servant would sacrifice his own son , he stopped him. He had Job seriously tested. He killed all his animals , servants and children. Then gave him back more than he ever had before. So with this thousand year exile of Satan then sicking Satan on the kingdom like a dog , will have it's rich results. God help me, I wish I could take part in killing Satan. I have never wanted to kill in my life , but I would kill Satan if allowed. Horrible isn't it , a believer wanting to kill. God help me. Believe me, he would kill any of us and think nothing of it. Satan is a murderer , mad at all humanity, insanely jealous of us. He hates salvation. Satan is evil , nuclear and explosive , torrid and mean. That's why I believe God is going to will him out of existence.
God has sacrificed a whole lot to bring us into eternity. Way much more than is revealed. He has had to kill and I know he does not like it. He has had to bring evil and suffering for into existence, and I know for sure he does not like that. I think his heart bleeds sometimes for us as all creation moans as it awaits that great day when God has had enough and says stop, no further. I feel for God sometimes because he has invested so much of himself into salvation. His pure love and kindness has to put up with Satan and so much death and heartache. Oh bless our Father his goodness has to hold fire. We ought to love him far more than we do.
I am glad he has Jesus with him and his elders and angels. I imagine he has them sing for him at times to comfort him. I just thank him sometimes just for putting up with me. With mankind. His ways are unlike our own. When his Great heart is heavy , perhaps all of heaven moans. He has put so much into our salvation. Comfort our God with prayers of Thanksgiving from the deepest part of our conscious souls.
I wish I knew God more than I do , I know very little. He hides himself, Isaiah 45:16. Hides himself in eternity so humans cannot perceive him before the "Time". The calling of God is just a matter of time. it would be a gift to know God. Jesus said in John 17:25 " Oh righteous Father the world has not known thee
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Job says in 36:27," God is great, we know him not." I long to know him and to be righteous. Jesus said those who hunger and thrist for righteousness shall be filled , and I believe that, but each in God's time. This movement to remove God from time is motionless in reality. Stagnant and misunderstood. But God knows what he is doing , we just don't know. In Jer. 24;7 , God reveals that he gives humans the heart to know him. Oh and it takes heart to know him.
It would help if the heart was active and thirsty to serve. I missed out on a glorious chance to serve a couple of months ago. I went to the hospital , my cancer bothering me. I was in the lobby and had to use the restroom. Once in there I saw a man in a wheelchair struggling to get onto a toilet. I wanted to help but I felt arkward. I was ashamed to help because I thought to help him would shame him. So I ignored him and left. In that lobby I asked God to go forgive me. That was six months ago and it still bugs me. It requires a heart to serve. And to know God it requires a heart to serve him no matter what. You can't be ashamed to move and act , to love and sense when your just wrong.
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God gives the heart to know him. I can't figure out why God chooses people , they all are different. He may have chosen Israel because of their disobedience and reveal himself saving a whole tribe even in their disobedience, showing he will do the same for a disobedient world. In Isaiah 48:10-11, "I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction, for my own sake, even for my own sake. His own sake means his own reason. Be He is the redeemer.
God does not give reasons for calling people or timing. He inspired it to be known that he will call weak people to confuse the strong. Again Jesus taught that he came not to call the righteous but sinners to repent. So the target is the unconverted unbelievers.
God is not democrat or republican , he is a dictator. And he will pour out his spirit on all flesh , Joel 2:28. He is not taking votes or asking our opions , he is unconcerned with the will of man. He does things we don't understand Job 37:5. He has some strict sides to him in Isaiah 40:17," , All nations before him are as nothing and they are counted by him to be less than nothing and meaningless. A most unusual God. Then in Isaiah 45:23 he is swearing by his own holiness, that unto him every knee shall bow and confess
Other words converted.
Really if you think about it ,in the end God wouldn't really have to kill anyone , we would kill ourselves globally and no flesh would be left alive , if he just left us to ourselves. But God must have a personal schedule and wants it done his way , he would rather end things in his way, reflecting that he is alpha and Omega, he will speed up what we have globally done anyway , were even helping to kill the earth without war. Everyday I see bad news on our climate and how we cause that to erode, and mankind can't even agree on that.
Gen.1;1 in the beginning God created , should have read in "A" beginning God created. Same with John 1:1 , but then it calls Jesus a God. So is Jesus a God? Well now he never calls himself a God and the Father said none besides him is a God, and Jesus was sitting beside him when he said that. But in John 1:3 it reveals that Christ actually created everything that is. How could anything but a God do that? So whatever he is , he is mighty. I am unclear on him m being a God, but I favor it at times. I just can't get over the Father saying he alone is God, because God trump's everything said in scripture, no matter who else has said it. So I don't really know if Jesus is a God, but I sense he is, but I just can't explain it.
Are there reasons for humans to really reject salvation? Well yes there are. I mean we may not agree with them or like it, but hey man people are indeed different. Atheist are simply unbelievers. Absolutely nothing wrong with their emotions , intellect , education , family life , many of them are Patriots. And veterans. Just no God in their belief. I dated an atheist once just to see how she the things would be , she was brilliant. But just devoid of God completely , and that is unattractive to me I had to admit. I see why the bible suggest you don't marry unbelievers. It can work, but I think it would require some serious adjustments.
Many are raised in countries that are not religious at all, so it's just their learned way of life. Salvation is a meaningless mystery to them, their state of unbelief not their fault at all. Salvation to most will be reeducation , others just a whole new experience. The hardest I think will be religious people who have been deceived, like most of Christianity , their going to be some tuff nuts to crack , badly damaged doctrines of God that are literally in their bloodstream. This world has always needed God but it's gotten worse.
More and more Satan is deceiving and seducing in incredible ways as he masters his hatred and uses his power to influence and manipulate. The truth is in drought , you hold some precious information and knowledge , which is why you are a target of the underworld. And they will be coming. This is why we need God's protection. Salvation is the real treasure and threat to Satan's kingdom.
Gen. 3:22 is another possible reason God designed salvation in the flesh first for humanity. " The man has become like one of "Us", knowing good and evil. Obviously God knew about evil before man did , he knew about it. The possibility of him being opposed. Now God knows there can never be a power greater than he , it's basically impossible but still improbability or imaginations in reality of evil he wanted to deal with up front , I think to show how it would result. Kind of like teach a serious lesson, "You go down this path you will surely die." A serious message amongst eternals. Its a message for his children too. There is only one way to deal with life , God's way. Either you know that and live , or face extingsion. It's God's way or no way. Which is why I say God is basically a dictator, just a loving good one. But make no mistake , he will not allow rebellion. The angels rebelling is a misunderstood myth, they did and do as God bids them to do. They cannot act outside of God's will. And on that God will have a clear understanding with all life permitted to live.
So it's better we know evil in the flesh, experience it and have an out; a way to escape it's power, because it is a power. Sin is it's calling card , it's introduction to evil. We can get burnt , heal and never have to experience such pain again. So salvation has many inner meanings , because angels have not had to be brought in this way. Only humanity has to do this most unusual interesting pledge.
Angels know what's coming in our salvation. Just look at the joy from the foundations of the earth are beginning to be laid in Job 38:6-7, "Where are the foundations fastened ? Who laid the cornerstone? When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Angels shouting and rejoicing , happy and hopeful at our incoming majestic birth to meet their younger family of personal beings from God.
So salvation is also a VERY large family being united with God's own offspring. Mighty angels , many personally designed and assigned to us and our well being. Raising us like children, showing and training us how to live our new incredible lives. Oh what a great time it will be as they show us how to live and eat and rest in our new homes. Teach us the routines and guide our worship.
In Psalms 65:5-6, "Blessed is the man whom thou choose and "caused" to approach you that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even the holy temple. God caused the human to approach.verse 5, "By terrible things in righteousness will thou answer us, oh God of our salvation." The data is clear, all who live in Christ shall suffer persecution , terrible things that become the incredible building blocks of God's ingenuity and salvation investment in himself birthing new Life through such enigmatic creative techniques.
As we suffer now we are not alone in our suffering for salvation. God himself suffers these things happening and what he must do. In 2Pet. 3:15 God suffers long and that long-suffering is salvation. He knows the time is coming where he will turn up the elements and melt things with fervent heat. It's called the Day of the Lord in 2Pet. 3:10 and that day will come like a thief in the night, totally unexpected. It will burn the earth itself up. Goodness.
We were justified freely by his grace and that justification is a universal remedy. A slave mass market of sinners , sold under sin, under sentence of death. Christ brought out the market and the redeemed can never again be exposed to sale. Redemption by sacrifice and power. The destruction is really construction.
I haven't said this in awhile , I am redeemed! Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. To have a life reversed from sin to salvation is a great shifting of gears , a gift , a birthright , an inheritance. The Holy Spirit has us covered. We got it made really, the deal of the century. Why not be happy? Sometimes I am so sad I just don't know why. Maybe this world is depressing. Or I just need a new head.
I groan with creation groaning. We can feel the effects of the world suffering and be motivated by the redemption granted by the superior God, who gave grace to each of us according to what Christ wanted measured unto you. Even in captivity he gave us gifts. For the perfection of the saints as we go through designed skits for our lives. That we can grow up in him and increase the body of Christ in love. We have access to the Father in confidence and boldness to bear witness to his awe inspiring love for all of humanity.
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So I am inspired to write let love continue , so we might boldly say the Lord is my helper , his help will not decrease , Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is Alpha and Omega, the complete cycle of our lives. By him therefore let's us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually , meaning each time you remember to. Witness the fruit of your lips as you open your heart to the people. Remember people are in bondage and really need the good news. Jesus being the mediator of the new covenant , sprinkled his blood that we may speak better things in public. Break the shell of selfish silence and leak out the power within you. Don't pass the opportunity to serve. I did that a month ago and it decreased my spirit. Like loosing air in a balloon , something is missing in that motivation. You were made to help, as we draw near that help should increase. Heirs of the kingdom must not be hearers only but doers of the word. And keep ourselves unspotted from the world.
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Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings. Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb. A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.
Isiaiah says God created evil...and darkness....not moral evil, i believe..but evil events for a greater Good
Can you explain how moral evil is seperate from evil.
abstract concepts aren't easy to explain.... the Bible says "God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5)...moral evil IS darkness
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. Satan is evil , nuclear and explosive , torrid and mean. That's why I believe God is going to will him out of existence.
or even better, transform Satan into something Good as He transforms us.
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Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings. Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb. A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.
Isiaiah says God created evil...and darkness....not moral evil, i believe..but evil events for a greater Good
Can you explain how moral evil is seperate from evil.
abstract concepts aren't easy to explain.... the Bible says "God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5)...moral evil IS darkness
There is no darkness in God , but in Isaiah 45:7 he said he created the darkness. And evil. Now moral evil came from evil. God did not create moral evil, which is murder, rape , robbery , hatred and jealousy and things like that, but he created the source it came from, Satan. God created the vehicle by which evil morals came into the world. He created the root of evil from which all forms of it grew. He opened the door so he is responsible , which is why we cannot be condemned. In John 8:44 Satan is the father of this stuff.
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. Satan is evil , nuclear and explosive , torrid and mean. That's why I believe God is going to will him out of existence.
or even better, transform Satan into something Good as He transforms us.
I personally believe Satan will be destroyed. I see nothing in scripture that hints God may recreate him. We may not like it, but God is Omega, the end of things he does not want.
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. Satan is evil , nuclear and explosive , torrid and mean. That's why I believe God is going to will him out of existence.
or even better, transform Satan into something Good as He transforms us.
I personally believe Satan will be destroyed. I see nothing in scripture that hints God may recreate him. We may not like it, but God is Omega, the end of things he does not want.
One may wonder what I have against Satan that I can't Invision him being saved ; what I have against him. No matter, if that has to be answered I may still be sleeping. In my view Satan was created
for a reason , Isaiah 54:16 to kill and destroy God's creations. God's hand formed him for that, Job 26:16. Created crooked and evil and violent ,with no plans of salvation offered to him.
Nor his demons. Does God create things that he will not recreate? Of course. Most of the animals on earth will probably not be resurrected. He will create all new animals. Everything will be new business. God has the power to change Satan, if he took a toll I would vote no. But he's not asking our opinions.
Satan is not human nor is he like the holy angels, nothing like them. He is God's power charged to the super negative , angry and sullen, jealous and hateful. He is death and hell and I think the first death awaits him. I hold only enough mercy for Satan that I don't think even it deserves eternal punishing. He is evil plasmonic revenge that only God knows what to do with it. I think he wills him out of existence. Good riddance I day.
One can ask what about the one scripture that places Satan in fire for eternity , the lake was designed for him. But I like the question that arrises , why keep him around for eternity , making a monument out of sin? Those are murky waters , when God can simply erase him. Blot him out of existence. His memory wiped clean in reality , his history deleted. Still it will be interesting to see what God does , he always does what is best. Salvation needs no long lasting scar.
I am glad that God is not willing that any humans perish , meaning he has not willed it , he has willed all to repent , it's his expressed will in 2Pet.3:9 and 1Tim.2:4. Salvation unto him who is able to keep us from falling , rich in mercy and grace , his sense of our salvation stays fresh. Our life to come his will. The Lord of peace himself give you hope and peace always by all means , his spirit being his ways and means for us. That we may be delivered from the wickedness of this world and embrace the truth blessed to our consciousness awareness , given a peek at the glory to come and hold hope for those who have lost hope.
Salvation to him who is able to keep us from falling. That we might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing , being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God. In hopes that every now and then he gives us a tune up , strengthen with all might according to his glorious power. Who has transported us from darkness and translated to us the understanding of scripture and into the knowledge of the kingdom of his dear son. Who is the image of the invisible God , meaning they think alike and have reasonings. We re made in that image , we think , live ,move and have our being. The conscious creations of God. The first humans created with consciousness. By that I mean Adam was the first man created with consciousness , or the image of God. I believe God created the cave men, Neanderthals , but not in his image, I don't think they were fully conscious beings.
This is one way they could be created before Adam, but yet Adam be called the first man , the first fully conscious man. Neanderthals had high instincts. But I believe they existed, there is too much archaeological evidence to support it. Why God created them, I don't know. We're they trial runs , like model types? We're they stages like those of a rocket boosting off a ship , varied stages meant to all push toward civilized man? Prototypes that God learned from?
So Adam was not the first man God created, cavemen predate him, I think the explanation is he was the first man with consciousness. With intellect spirit, with closeness to God. There is a spirit in man, and that is consciousness, I don't think Neanderthals and Cromagnon had that spirit blew into them. Just high instincts. This would be the theory I favor to explain this.
That leaves me to wonder what God will do with them in eternity. Will he ressurect them? Will they stay discontinued? I am unsure. But curious.
Salvation has many unexplained drama's in reality, I think it will be a much larger event than we expect. I think it will be on a super grand scale. A glorious Holy Day perhaps celebrated forever. Once we see the sheer amount of people saved in the kingdom, we will be astounded at how big the family will be. So much joy and happiness will roar from the mass as we praise our God for his goodness.
Jesus came into the world to spearhead salvation. Well what was he doing? 1Tim.1:15 , Christ came into the world to save sinners. 1Corinth. 15:3 Christ died for our sins according to scripture. Salvation was a life giving grand sacrifice. We then were created to survive all the things we face. Nothing was designed to defeat us , Jesus cleared the way and paved the path to God. So the stage was set and predetermined to start a cycle that would return to God without fail.
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Salvation has many unexplained drama's in reality, I think it will be a much larger event than we expect. I think it will be on a super grand scale. A glorious Holy Day perhaps celebrated forever. Once we see the sheer amount of people saved in the kingdom, we will be astounded at how big the family will be. So much joy and happiness will roar from the mass as we praise our God for his goodness.
In Rev. 7:9," After this I beheld , and lo, a great multitude , which no man could number , of all nation's, and kindreds , and people , and tongues , stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes , and palms in their hands." And cried with a loud voice , "Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne , and unto the Lamb. " A vivid description of universal salvation if I ever heard one. This is no small mass , it's humongous! Shouting salvation to our God! Oh what a scene this will be. I think billions upon billions! No one will ever be alone again.
This is the beginning of the creation of God!
One of my fears of eternity is the old cleche , " It's too good to be true." So my heart searches the proofs of God over and over again. I cannot believe that conscious life evolved from nothing. That is pure nonsense in my corporal reasoning. For life to even be created, it must first exist so it can create. And with all this life I have seen , something far greater than life had to create it. Nothing lesser.
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One of my fears of eternity is the old cleche , " It's too good to be true." So my heart searches the proofs of God over and over again. I cannot believe that conscious life evolved from nothing. That is pure nonsense in my corporal reasoning. For life to even be created, it must first exist so it can create. And with all this life I have seen , something far greater than life had to create it. Nothing lesser.
And oh how that points to and explains God , it points to and directly implicates a creator behind the sizzling stages of universal reality that has unfolded, just in our human lives. Like a giant quasar pulsating with coherant reason and intent, the 7 spirits of God blossomed this behemoth and fashioned only earth to suit human life. Devine intent, somebody wanted all this to be , we exist by the intentions of God. And great love has been shown by this revealed plan of salvation , a great purpose that is the romance of all ages. Great love has to do with this.
It's almost just too good to be true that this God of ageless past did such a cataclysmic creation of complexity to produce his own offspring for all future geoliogc ages. We will walk in his shoes into eternity freely as welcome citizens of an even newer creation.
Love, joy , will! This is what I am going to shout out in the Kingdom. My favorite spiritual slogan. The love of God , the Joy of God and the will of God. That covers it all man. It gets no better than that. I can just see God smiling and over joyed at so much he has accomplished . I think he smiles most of the time because he is a happy being. Love and joy is his will; his way. His demeanor. His actual character.
When we read " God so loved the world that he gave it Jesus", is a reaction of great love. He does not hate the world, he loves it. So much that he gave us his greatest value , what he loves the most: Christ. I love you so much , I give you my Son in whom I am well pleased. Jesus is the reason God is having so many children, he made him want more. "If they turn out like Christ, my goodness" , he must think. He'll have a truckload of righteousness rocking the universe.
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One of my fears of eternity is the old cleche , " It's too good to be true." So my heart searches the proofs of God over and over again. I cannot believe that conscious life evolved from nothing. That is pure nonsense in my corporal reasoning. For life to even be created, it must first exist so it can create. And with all this life I have seen , something far greater than life had to create it. Nothing lesser.
And oh how that points to and explains God , it points to and directly implicates a creator behind the sizzling stages of universal reality that has unfolded, just in our human lives. Like a giant quasar pulsating with coherant reason and intent, the 7 spirits of God blossomed this behemoth and fashioned only earth to suit human life. Devine intent, somebody wanted all this to be , we exist by the intentions of God. And great love has been shown by this revealed plan of salvation , a great purpose that is the romance of all ages. Great love has to do with this.
I rehearse intent as a proof of God and that leads me to deliberant as another proof. The universe and all life was Deliberately done. It was not random theory or lucky circumstances. There was obviously purpose. Let's say we walk down a street and see three dimes on the ground , we think nothing of it, perhaps dropped by mistake. We go further and see six more dimes on the ground, now we can suspect more things , like a hole in someone's pocket. But then we walk further and find ten dimes on the ground and lined up in a perfect row and perfectly balanced on their edges , now we can know that this was Deliberately done. Well this is how we view life and the universe , it was Deliberately done. Diverse complexity is sure sign of Deliberate intent, with always then points to a reasonable source that has reasoned things out. Which then we point to God.
Salvation then was enevitable and intentional. Christ was predestined to die and taste death for every man to make salvation perfect through sufferings. So Jesus had to be changed in order to change us, made a little lower than angels, a deliberate deduction , making his death even possible. God is building a powerhouse salvation unlike anything he has ever done before. The great powers now set in play are both now enevitable and irreversible. It started when the mind of God became pregnant with man.
Another thing on God's mind for salvation had to be Tentmaker itself and Gary. This giant resource has been a cane and can opener to unknown perhaps thousands of people God has marked. One of the few gospel resources that has stood the test in of time.
God so loved the world , or the people , that he gave It Jesus and eternal life. We shall not perish. Salvation is totally devoid of human perishing. Suffering yes, perishing no. In John 5:24 we have passed from death unto life and eternity is now within us. We are now an eternal. The gift of God is eternal life , eternal consciousness, eternal mind, eternal audience to God and Christ, eternity is garenteed personal time with them. We have to get to know them, it's a promise , this personal time. Look at John 17:3 ,"And this is eternal life , that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." There it is right there, out appointments in eternity.
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God so loved the world , or the people , that he gave It Jesus and eternal life. We shall not perish. Salvation is totally devoid of human perishing. Suffering yes, perishing no. In John 5:24 we have passed from death unto life and eternity is now within us. We are now an eternal. The gift of God is eternal life , eternal consciousness, eternal mind, eternal audience to God and Christ, eternity is garenteed personal time with them. We have to get to know them, it's a promise , this personal time. Look at John 17:3 ,"And this is eternal life , that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." There it is right there, out appointments in eternity.
In Psalms 16:11 God will teach us and make known to us the path of the endless life, in his presence there is fullness of Joy, at his right hand are pleasures forever more. Do you see and begin to comprehend that, pleasures forever more. Whew! Lord Jesus what a destiny we have. Can you imagine being happy forever? Having an everlasting king. Living in an everlasting kingdom.
In Isaiah 9:7 it says of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end. It's incredible, peace always growing . His government always increasing. That means his throne will grow. The very governing body of heaven may expand and be expansive as the universe itself. God is a Monarchy and dictatorship mixed together I would say. An absolute ruler. With a great heart that is legendary in eternity.
Isaiah 9:7 is another scripture that fans my fear of eternity. Peace and government that always increases! Whew! Wow. I can't imagine it.i start meditating on it , then it's like I always get to this scary closed door that backs me off .. it's wild. Mysterious. Powerful.
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Isaiah 9:7 is another scripture that fans my fear of eternity. Peace and government that always increases! Whew! Wow. I can't imagine it.i start meditating on it , then it's like I always get to this scary closed door that backs me off .. it's wild. Mysterious. Powerful.
The zeal of the Lord shall perform this. Judgment with justice from henceforth even forever. The reign of the Prince of Peace.
When humans have children they strengthen the family. When God brings his offspring into eternity they 1. Strengthen the family.
2.increase God's joy.
3: Expand the kingdom
4. Multiply the nation's.
5. Increase the worship.
6. Cause the kingdom to rejoice
7. Glorious fruitful fellowships begin.
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When humans have children they strengthen the family. When God brings his offspring into eternity they 1. Strengthen the family.
2.increase God's joy.
3: Expand the kingdom
4. Multiply the nation's.
5. Increase the worship.
6. Cause the kingdom to rejoice
7. Glorious fruitful fellowships begin.
8. Meet God's quota for a populated heaven.
9. That all Israel be saved.
10. Prophecy fulfilled.
11. All scripture fulfilled.
12. God's holy vow fulfilled.
13. Death and sin eliminated.
14. Rewards passed out.
15. Earth becomes the center of the universe.
16. Knowledge dispensated.
17. Clothes issued . Wearing white robes is another indication that our spririt forms may be similar to human bodies ,having arms ,legs , torso , and head.
18. Orientation of some type
19. A grouping into nation's and tribes. With such a large mass of people it maybe a seperation into smaller nation's , to better rule the people.
20. Dinner time! The feast of of ages.
Often I am accused of speculating too much about spiritual matters , and I do . I like 2 Corinth. 4:18 ," So we fix our eyes not on what is seen , but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary , but what is unseen is eternal." The fear of eternity gives me a healthy respect of it . I respect scripture, I do . I like the bible so I
Understand why it's the most stolen book out there , theives like it too. Funny, the bible the book people like to steal. So I often fix my gaze on things eternal.
I wonder about 2 Corinth.5:1, we have a house in heaven not built by human hands. I wonder what my house is like. I wonder if the king will ever visit me. I see myself siting on the balcony and still pondering salvation. Life is good.
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Often I am accused of speculating too much about spiritual matters , and I do . I like 2 Corinth. 4:18 ," So we fix our eyes not on what is seen , but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary , but what is unseen is eternal." The fear of eternity gives me a healthy respect of it . I respect scripture, I do . I like the bible so I
Understand why it's the most stolen book out there , theives like it too. Funny, the bible the book people like to steal. So I often fix my gaze on things eternal.
I wonder about 2 Corinth.5:1, we have a house in heaven not built by human hands. I wonder what my house is like. I wonder if the king will ever visit me. I see myself siting on the balcony and still pondering salvation. Life is good.
So I hope for some spiritual things that I cannot even see. Ask for those spiritual gifts I need in myself. And we can hope for all things , hope is not a waste of time. In Romans 8:24-25 ," For we are saved by hope , but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why hope for it?" But if we hope for what we see not, then we with patience wait for it. We reach for our top thoughts the cream of our Godly desires. We hope for righteousness , oh how I hope for righteousness. To be cleaned of all bad habits and more fruit 🍑 of the spirit.
So we hope in what we cannot see , with our physical eyes that is: there is another eye of hope: that inner eye . That spiritual eye of hope. That inner eye is that we can see extraordinary things in the spirit , and some
May hear things. I listen to people, places and things and gain Inspiration often, just listening. No different than just sitting down outside and just listening to nature and looking. You gain inspiration and soon your Hoping for something. Sometimes you can just see right through something. Right through something In scripture , it's nothing like the experience , very rewarding. And rewarding when you share these times and hopes.
So we hope in eternity everlasting hope. I kept looking at eternity , even though sometimes I am blocked , I go back. I can't see but I am there , the hope alive.
Romans 1:16 the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation. This is the real gospel truth. The Hebrew and Greek words for salvation imply the ideas of deliverance , safety , preservation , healing and soundness. Salvation is the great universal inclusive word for the gospel , gathering into itself all the redemptive acts and processes: as justification , redemption , grace, propitiation, imputation , forgiveness, sanctification and glorification.
Salvation has three tenses , the person has been saved , is being saved and is to be saved. Salvation makes us safe. We slid into home base safe. Blessed we are people whom the Lord will not impute sin. Our ungodliness was the target of Christ righteous mission. Our death in sin was universal, so our salvation from it had to be universal.
In Rev. 14:4, three angels are flying mid air , the first has an "Everlasting Gospel", an eternal gospel. The only place in scripture this is said. It means an eternally unchanging message of salvation through Christ is eternal truth, solid and unchanging as God himself . The benefits are everlasting. We will live under this reality and flourish. We will be in perfect health with clean conscious and having the Holy Spirit of God inside us. We will learn at a greatly excelerated rate with no interference from evil ever again. Under these conditions we will be quite something as the ages roar onward. I shutter to think on it.
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In Rev. 14:4, three angels are flying mid air , the first has an "Everlasting Gospel", an eternal gospel. The only place in scripture this is said. It means an eternally unchanging message of salvation through Christ is eternal truth, solid and unchanging as God himself . The benefits are everlasting. We will live under this reality and flourish. We will be in perfect health with clean conscious and having the Holy Spirit of God inside us. We will learn at a greatly excelerated rate with no interference from evil ever again. Under these conditions we will be quite something as the ages roar onward. I shutter to think on it.
Now we deal with God from a weakened state still we learn. But we have truckloads of handicaps to limit us and weight us down. In eternity it will be under totally opposite conditions. We will be in a perfect atmosphere of Peace, our minds primed to learn and get to know God, No inhibitions , no doubts and no weakness s in any communication fed us. God's family will be formidable and powerful angels our assistants. The things attached to our living consciousness will be stunning.
In Rev.22:2 more evidence time will not end in eternity. A healing will take place , the great tree of life will yield it's fruit every month. Months are measurements of time, time will exist in eternity.. and our healing is concentrated to last in stages, similar to taking medicine. I find that quite interesting.
We will be like Christ.
Chew on that statement.
Our current state of being cannot be in the presence of God.
Our Father is more powerful than the sun.
No wonder our changes are necessary through the resurrection process.
We think we can do something now, but that is insignificant in the grand scheme.
The fact that this was all planned before the world began is awesome.
To indeed focus on the things to come is inspirational.
C. U
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We will be like Christ.
Chew on that statement.
Our current state of being cannot be in the presence of God.
Our Father is more powerful than the sun.
No wonder our changes are necessary through the resurrection process.
We think we can do something now, but that is insignificant in the grand scheme.
The fact that this was all planned before the world began is awesome.
To indeed focus on the things to come is inspirational.
C. U
Amen, to focus on the things to come is eternal inspiration. Looking ahead is a form of time. In the Kingdom we will always look ahead , or increase. More plans will be made , planning takes time and needs time to produce it's outcome. I guess by now the brethren here know I believe in time in eternity.
We cannot be in the presence of God now, but in time we will. Every stage is a matter of time. The calling of God itself is a matter of time. Each in their own time.
God is not impacted personally by time , but he can do with it whatever he so pleases. He can do anything with it, you cannot limit his use of time.. and you cannot remove time from eternity. It's a senseless misunderstood movement and belief. You can't change the very definition of something just to support a doctrine. Eternity is endless time by one definition , how can you remove time from endless time. That means time never ends. So then it has serious comparisons to God, their endless.
That means time has been here as long as God. Not physical time , see that is where we get confused perhaps. Time has been used in both worlds , so we think it's alike. As in all things , the spiritual is always different and the superior. God does not have a clock, but he most definitely has timing. His sense of timing is flawless and Jesus said only God knows the time of his return. So some timing even the great Christ cannot keep. So think on these things whether they have merit. Don't just fall for any knowledge. Especially things concerning God.
In Isaiah 66:22 God says the new heavens and the new earth I am about to make will remain standing before me. To remain eternally is endless time , or you can say "For all time". The term "Remain" is important. Remember when John the Baptist an ounces Jesus coming and when he baptized him it says the Holy Spirit decended upon him and "Remained on him". This is the real difference between having the spirit inside you perminently , or it just being with you from time to time, like a visitation. In my view the spirit right now is in a time of visitation and will enter believers perminently at a later time
Many believers may not accept this, but it's just my view of it. I don't know think a church has been called out yet and unified ,. I think they would be easy to recognize , like a bright city on a hill. I have not seen that in the world. When the spirit remains the world will know it, it won't be a secret.
You can see it in John 1:33 ,"And I knew him not, but he that sent me to baptize with water , the same said unto me , upon whom thou shall see the Spirit descending , and remaining on him.
So the spirit stays with him from then on , It never leaves him again. It is in him. And this is the same process that any other believer must experience in order to have God's spirit.
Some of religions are trying to micro manage salvation.they want to set up their own barriers and cost. Remove the freedom from salvation. In Romans 5:21 salvation is God's free gift of grace. Grace leads to salvation and eternal life. Man needs to put a price on it to try and control it.
Quote from: Mickiel on July 24, 2021, 07:01:17 PM
Some of religions are trying to micro manage salvation.they want to set up their own barriers and cost. Remove the freedom from salvation. In Romans 5:21 salvation is God's free gift of grace. Grace leads to salvation and eternal life. Man needs to put a price on it to try and control it.
This is one reason the hell doctrine became so powerful and popular. It's a cost man must pay in addition to Christ sacrifice. Even Christianity has this all throughout their bloodstream. Salvation became distorted in history. Satan was there as every deceptive drop of acid was historically poured on salvation , it became disfigured. Which means the true gospel was distorted . A world full of sin was now handicapped seriously. The truth went underground and hardly surfaces enough to make any difference. In Amos 8:11," a famine of truth throughout the land. Salvation starvation.
Yet out of a darkness of horrors and deception , the truth will come and clean. God has given us his Written word and we have read end of story. We take a loving leap from this world to the next. This reality is God's , all things belong to him. Salvation to our Lord of host.
Oh Most High deliver us , the times we fear eternity we will not be afraid , we will trust in you. You have been a shelter to your people , and a strong tower from the enemy. For your mercy is great unto the heavens and your truth unto the clouds. He is our rock and our defence , our salvation salute. Our flesh and our hearts fail , but God is the strength of our heart and our portion for ever. Oh give thanks to him , we wait for grand reason , we wait on him. Mercy and truth are met together, righteousness and peace have kissed each other. Righteousness goes before him and he shall set us in the way of his steps.
Let's us walk circumspectly then , by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God. Praying for each other's comfort. Let us rejoice and be exceedingly glad that salvation is our reward in heaven. We are predestined to become the light of the world , pray without ceasing that God's Kingdom come and his will be done. The love, Joy and Will of God be with you and your children. Ask and it shall be given you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you , both knowledge and truth. Press your prayers on God and don't let up. Habitually humble yourself before him and offer him your good fruit.
Oh how I long to know God , my desires to have his spirit , my constant prayer to know Jesus. Not knowing them has been a great pain. Knowing of them a comfort. I wish there were a climate change between us and things warmed up personally.
God bless the Lamb ; love ,joy and will!
I often wonder what God's voice sounds like , when you want to get to know him it kind of makes you want to know as much about him as you can, doesn't it? Every little nuance , all the tentacles of knowledge available concerning him. All the beautiful biblical nuggets. I have read that his voice is like thunder : wow , I bet it sounds majestic. I wonder if he speaks to the kingdom residents much? Or if he delivers sermon like speeches? Or updates on the kingdom business. Wouldn't that be interesting.
I wonder how he is going to prep this world for it's final stages? How many humans he will use in that and how? What his final church will be like, I sure would like to meet them. I'm getting old but I sure would like to see all the end times , that would fantastical. According to scripture some people will begin to have dreams on all that. Be interesting to hear them.
Wouldn't be interesting to entertain an angel, and know it's an angel before you speak with them. I believe I may have spoken with one a few years back. But I did not know it at the time. It was a very strange interaction. It was a demon angel , I know because of what it asked. It was during the day and I was going to catch a train in Atlanta. A man walked up to me and asked " Why are we doomed ,. Humans are no better than us." Why can't we live? He looked very angry and sullen. I was speechless , couldn't think of a word to say. And he just walked away. It kind of shook me up, I felt it's rage. But maybe it was nothing. Nobody.
Isn't life something?
I had one other incident that may have been God speaking to me, again I am unsure because I know I just can't go around saying that when it happened in a maze type twirling conscious surrealness . I was in my bedroom and I have had lung cancer for 4 years and it was getting worse. I remember crying out to God asking him why he is killing me? I was praying so hard and intense , and very afraid. Then it happened. I began to feel like I was in a dream. And a voice said to me, " Your still alive and your one of mine." That's all it said and I came out of the maze. That was 3 years ago. I've had lung cancer For 7 years. Been told by doctors 3 times I had weeks to live, each time they were wrong. And I am very thankful of course and hope they stay wrong. We leave here when God is ready for us to go.
So I cherish even the weird things that happen to me . My life is just not that exciting anyway, so these things rile me up a bit.
You ever try to tone your instincts ? Sharpen your consciousness and pinpoint on improving the perspective. How about trying to sharpen your eternal spirit? Tone your eternal instincts. Of course you have to jump out of the flesh and travel using your consciousness , your spirit engine. You need a focus then on the other side. You can use a scripture and jump into the scripture with an open consciousness and a prayer for revelation , and visit the eternity in it. See the rainbow around God's throne . Look at the awesome Cherubs there. Get on the ground and start walking through the holy city.
Meditate or "Chew on it",. Hear the echos of eternity. Get on the road that never ends and walk it like the wizard of Oz! When you get back, tell us about it.
I jumped out of myself one day and meditated my way into eternity it. I Flew through the north clouds and grounded. There was the entrance, towering right in front of me. Two giant eagles, one on each side, at least 700 feet tall and made of gold. They seemed to be the gate, instead of protecting the entrance. I was like a tiny speck of dust, as I walked by constantly looking up at them both. Their faces were regal and peaceful. The road was long in front of them but I could see the city in the distance. Something in me wanted to stop and try to commune with these two great deity's, but I was too awed.
The street was paved with gold as well. Everything along the road was big. Characters were walking to and fro,looking like something out of star wars. It was so fun to be there. I awoke missing every bit of it.
The fear of eternity laps the course of curiosity. It runs like an endless sea of water. Like watching a Quasar go super nova , eternity spans space like it's spitting it out constantly. We hope to peak at God's domain and get a glimpse of the star filled drama and listen to the galactic dialog. How great thou art.
In Job 3:2,-5," Hear attentively the noise of his voice the sound that goes out of his mouth. He directs it under the whole heaven , and his lightening unto the ends of the earth. After it a voice roars, he thunders with the voice of his Excellency , and he will not stay them when his voice is heard. God thunders marvellously with his voice, great things does he , which we cannot comprehend." So God has a very powerful voice that sounds like thunder roaring. Whew, how that must sound. Then it says he does great things, like universal salvation is a really great thing for him to do, things which we really cannot comprehend. Things still a mystery to us.
Of course we cannot be sure , but I am leaning on God's appearence having some human characteristics. He has a voice so probably has a mouth. He has eyes so probably has a face. He sits on a throne so probably has a mid torso with arms and legs and feet. He may have wings and multicolored coverings that we know as "Skin." He shines and emits great power. His voice is like thunder so he may be a quite large being in size. He may be mixed with eagle , lion and flames of fire.
He most likely has hair which may be white and wooly. He may have a halo of fire about his head. He might have a changing Jewell like appearence and a rainbow surrounding him. And he is most likely clothed in white rainment of some type. He stands , he walks and probably can fly. He likes music so he may have ears. But he is a chameleon creature so he can transform himself into anything he pleases. And he can become invisible. Truly an extraordinary being God is.
Of course I have heard different interpretations of how God appears. Some say all the human and animal like comparisons are not so, he is pure spirit and all those other analogies were just for our benefit. They say no one knows how he looks. I personally lean on clues dropped by scripture , that is enough to start on in my understanding. Let the bible give us clues. such as in Rev.19:11-16, Jesus is described as having eyes like flames of fire and on his head were many crowns. Again a head with eyes , more human like. He is wearing white clothes , and speaking, so he has a mouth. He's riding a horse , so earthly type animals are in the Kingdom.
Remember the "Wisdom of Solomon" 2:23-24 for God created man to be immortal and made in an image of his own eternity." I like that. We were made in the image of God's eternity. Wow, that can be unpacked to reveal much. In James 3:9 we are made in the likeness of God. So although I believe the image of God is more the consciousness , it could also mean some features of God like head, eyes, mouth , arms and legs.
God's image of his own eternity may include countless forms and shapes that he takes on. Some eternals are transformers and chameleons. Shape shifters with uncanny ability.
Let me take a crack at "We were made in the image of God's eternity." Taken from the wisdom of Solomon. We know Solomon wrote Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and the Song of Solomon , so the wisdom of Solomon is not included in the 📚 bible. But I am impressed with the statement - " We were made in the image of God's eternity." Power packed phrase and interesting phraseology.
God has an image on earth, through us humans, and he has an image in heaven , so we can safely say he has an image in eternity. A fingerprint that marks it as his domain and territory. Eternity is full of the consciousness of God, it thus flows with his image. His creations liter the vast landscape and it's peace a constant reminder of who's image rules here. Eternity is the image of God, it's the living mids of God.
Eternity is God's home and his kingdom. It is here that God rest and relax and enjoys himself. He more than likely must deal with every day ruling on his throne , but takes an occasion to walk in his eternity. Eternity must have all kinds of extensions of God , signs of him, and ways and means he has established. Even eternity is nothing without God. So much rides on him.
The bible does not try to prove God's existence or his eternity , all we know is God was and is forever. He said ," I am that I am." He never came into existence and will never go out of it. It's a puzzle. The source of life must have source of life , and that last source must have a source, to avoid endless regression there must be a source that needed no other source to exist. And that is God. I am who I am, I am what I am at present, I am what I have been , I am what I shall be , and shall be what I am.
The I Am God describes can be translated many ways, such as "I will be what I will be "or "I will become whatsoever I become." And God became to Israel whatever they needed. Their salvation and deliverer. The eternally constant God. The self sufficient one. He will become whatever he becomes, again a possible ID of him being Chameleon or shape shifter.
In Isaiah 46:9 " Remember the former things of old, for I am God and there is none else. I am God, and there is none like me." Here God speaks dogmatically and individually , in Isaiah 45:5," I am the Lord , and there is none else , there is no God beside me" , and Jesus was sitting besides him when he spoke this. He keeps saying I Am and I alone am what I am. So The Father and Christ are different in many ways, alike in others. I believe Jesus to be a God, just a different kind of God than the Father. The Father has never been reduced in power or exposed to death, Jesus had to do both. That makes them different right there. They are alike in character , principles and thinking.
So the relationship between God and Christ is interesting. They love each other , Jesus adores his Father. Once Jesus realized who he was on earth , that part of his consciousness given Back to him , he couldn't wait to get back to the Father.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 01, 2021, 12:50:01 PM
So the relationship between God and Christ is interesting. They love each other , Jesus adores his Father. Once Jesus realized who he was on earth , that part of his consciousness given Back to him , he couldn't wait to get back to the Father.
So any communication that goes on between Jesus and the Father is a treat of insight. This makes Jesus prayer in John 17 extraordinary. He tells the Father he has cared for his disciples. Teaching them about God. Jesus believed in their potential to the future. They believed in his divine origin. So he is praying for them. This is holy conversation , nothing else as important. Unselfish prayer at its finest. He ask that they be kept in God's name, protected. That they be one in unity. Sanctified by the truth. A lovely prayer , showing intimacy between God And Christ.
Divine care and concern for man from God. What a being he is. It's hard to imagine him as a gentle being, holding so much power in his hands. But gentleness is one of the 🍓 fruit of the spirit , which means it's a way of God. It makes you want to know him : that's how it affects me. He's so kind and good , I just know he would be good to me. Good to everyone. I just know that everyone who sits on God's throne with him , Jesus and the 24 Elders, benefit greatly just being exposed to God like that. It must do things to them that make them evolve into fantastic powerful beings.
The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all mankind.
The same grace that permeates eternity. But this we live in now is not eternity , We are not perfect , so the Father is the best hope we have , we really need him. His will can make us perfect in every good work , to do his will. Heb.13:21 he offers us his grace instead of his judgement. This gives us the edge we need , can't you see how they are stacking the deck for us! All of us, the just and unjust,, 1Pet. 3:18.
So as we grow in God's grace , we are destined for an encounter between time eternity. I expect a delicate blend.
Some expect time to end. I still think eternity is endless time. I don't understand the studies here on eternity and everlasting time , but there are some good ones.
Jesus said in John 10:27-28 his sheep hears his voice and follow him. And I give them eternal life and they will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand. A very possessive statement. They want us with them in eternity. No doubt about it. Death was not meant to be , it is abnormal.
To all humans eternity is a new world , a new beginning and a new life. In Rev. 21:7" He that over cometh shall inherit All things , and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." There's no telling how much "inherit All things" is going to entail. In verse 5 God said "Behold , I make all things new ". Is ancient eternity included in this renewing? Is God about to redo eternity? Is he going to make a giant pivot and set eternity in a new direction?
Quote from: Mickiel on August 03, 2021, 10:04:06 AM
To all humans eternity is a new world , a new beginning and a new life. In Rev. 21:7" He that over cometh shall inherit All things , and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." There's no telling how much "inherit All things" is going to entail. In verse 5 God said "Behold , I make all 1919 new ". Is ancient eternity included in this renewing? Is God about to redo eternity? Is he going to make a giant pivot and set eternity in a new direction?
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Will the book of life be written over ? Notice Rev. 22nd chapter and 19 verse, And if any man shall take away from the words of the prophecy of this book, God shall "Take away" his part out of the book of life , meaning his name was already in the book. Meaning the first state of all humans is that we are all in the book of life , and only God can remove that free inheritance. If a human did these things then God has to "Take away his part and pull it out",: because it's already in there.
So in eternity we now,. At this moment , we are all written in
the book of life and have a part in the Holy City, which may be a mansion there . Because they would be "Taken out of the Holy City as well. This is good news for sure for sinners and unbelievers , they were automatically in the 📖 book of life and have a part in the Holy City as well.
So Satan and demons Are basically trying to remove people from the book of life , he knows we're already in there.
But our names cannot be removed by anyone or demons. In John 10:28 God gives us eternal life and no man is able to pluck us out of his hand.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 03, 2021, 05:08:44 PM
But our names cannot be removed by anyone or demons. In John 10:28 God gives us eternal life and no man is able to pluck us out of his hand.
This is great hope and prerecorded salvation. In Titus 1:2," in hope of eternal life , which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began." I have never seen God in scripture remove anyone from the book of life.
In Luke 10:20, and Phil. 4:3 names are written in the book of life. We cannot be erased from the book of life , Rev.3:5, Romans 8:37-39. The book of life is also the Lambs book of life, Rev.13:8, 21:27. The Lords promise in Rev. 3:5 is to never blot out a name. The promise of eternity is very real in scripture. We've been set up to live and have life abundantly. The fear of eternity will be blotted out.
Having your name in the book of life is effective. It keeps you from making shipwreck of your faith. Your already in there, that is protection within itself. The book must first be taken from Christ then God , then you removed: that's not going to happen. God will keep you.
Indeed!
Nothing can keep us from the love of God through Jesus Christ our Lord and fellow heir.
Quote from: Ross on August 04, 2021, 04:24:14 AM
Indeed!
Nothing can keep us from the love of God through Jesus Christ our Lord and fellow heir.
Yes indeed. The Love, Joy and Will of God is our keeper. Our sanctuary in a fortress of solitude. Jesus is our King and The Father our Majestic Monarch, our doom will not be allowed to pass them.,they start getting rid of anything and everything that could cause us to fail. The false prophet and death are thrown into the lake of 🔥 fire. We begin eating from the tree of life for our healing. Angels tell us incredible story's about ourselves and how close we came to traps and trickery , but our safe box was secure in the banks of the kingdom. We will be treated regal and living in a mansion right off. Our homes filled with love , joy and will.
We are the real untouchables! No charges filled against us. And heavens king our steadfast ally and Lord. There was a cross he bore for us , a serious beating he took for us , a regal death he laid down for us. The Father right there never forsaken him , the two of them never forsaking us. A love story. , A romance; An inheritance , They will change us, do things to us, prop us up and tune us up with a mighty charge that will instantly evolve us into magnificent spirit beings.
Great change is coming and we will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in all things. The Kindness and love of God our Savior toward men has appeared. We were literally made heirs according to the Hope of eternal life. And the scripture , foreseeing that God would justify the heathens through faith , preached before the gospel unto Abraham, Saying , in thee shall ALL nation's be blessed. Nothing can keep us from this blessing. God is justifying the heathens or unbelievers , and writing their names in the book. Stunning salvation. Yes even unbelievers. In John 12:47,"And if any man hear my words and believe not, I judge him not. For I came not to judge the world , but to save the world. Unbelievers saved and not judged. He came here after the garden of Eden not to judge the world but to save the WORLD! To add to the book , More names not to remove names. Praise be to him who's heart is for us. He will see us through. Like a juggernaut he has plowed down sin.
We were made heirs , Jesus said "You did not choose me , but I choose you to go and bear fruit." To Bear witness to his name. To get fruit that will last. Many believers just will not do this. They leave all that up to God and the Holy Spirit. But The thing is that Jesus commands we do it. Christians have gotten to comfortable. In John 18:37 , witness to the truth. The Greek noun for truth is aletheia , which means reality , the opposite of what is false or illusion. This can be as simple as to share our experience with others. People need to be set free. In John 8:32 , the truth will set you free. Not hearing witness is a bad habitual way amoung some believers. They prefer complacent silence and hoarding the truth to themselves. When we bear witness it is God and Christ who are revealed.
I remember when I first learned the truth.. it was pitiful, God forgive me. I went on a tour across the internet , witnessing and fighting everywhere. Getting that truth out there. I didn't realize I had a sharp two edged sword in my hands , not before I had cut hundreds to peices. I was banging people on the head with my bible , fussing and arguing fighting everyday, thinking I was doing God's work. I got kicked out of more places than I could count.
Whew what days those were, I didn't know what I was doing. Did not have a clue how to correctly bear witness. Lord have mercy.
Hi Mickiel,
Would you care to share how you came into the Truth, and ultimately the truth of UR?
Andrew
Quote from: Andrew on August 04, 2021, 07:54:28 PM
Hi Mickiel,
Would you care to share how you came into the Truth, and ultimately the truth of UR?
AndrewWnd
Hello Andrew,
I used to be in a baptist church , when I was around 17 I began to question their doctrines, especially the hell doctrine. It got to the point I could no longer just sit in there disagreeing with these people all the time. So I left to find a church in couLd relate to. That was 45 years ago and I still have not found one. I did find several universalism websites , this being one of them. So I basically walked alone. God showed me many things in those years , and he didn't want me to go back to all the churches I tried. So I studied Tentmakers material , l Ray Smith , and even
Tried local churches. They were not for me. So I walked alone for 50 years. But God kept me learning.
The calling of God now is a lonely proposition. It's really lonely. I miss God and don't even know him. Few there be who walk this path. I was called some 40 years ago. I don't view Myself as chosen. And God's spirit does not remain in me,it comes and goes. But it has taught me over the years. The calling of God is just a matter of time. It's clear with me that not many wise men are called. So God has chosen .the foolish to confuse the wise. I know I am called because of what God has done to my consciousness.
I used to be in a baptist church , when I was around 17 I began to question their doctrines, especially the hell doctrine. It got to the point I could no longer just sit in there disagreeing with these people all the time. So I left to find a church in could relate to. That was 45 years ago and I still have not found one.
So I walked alone for 50 years. But God kept me learning.
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pretty similar; I used to be a baptist.
Still do not agree with their doctrines, but have come to know that this is because it is not their turn to know the truth yet.
Each in their appointed time is literal.
Ergo;
1 Thess 4;11,12 " Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to attend to your own affairs, and to work with your own hands, just as we directed you. In this way you will live a life in a proper manner for the benefit of outsiders and have personal need of no one."
Add in the observation of Rev 22;11
" He that is doing unjustly let him still do unjustly, and he that is filthy let him still be made filthy;
and he that is righteous let him still do righteousness,
and he that is holy let him still be holy."
Paul made the observation to the Corinthians;
1 Cor 3;4-7 " For as soon as one begins to say-
' I am indeed of Paul!
and another says, 'I am of Apollos!
Are you not men?
What then is Apollos? And what is Paul?, ministers through whom you believed, and each as the Lord gave to him.
I planted, Apollos watered,- BUT GOD CAUSED TO GROW.
So that neither he that planted, nor he that watered is anything- but God, Who causes to grow.
1 Cor 3;21-23 " So then let no one be boasting in men;
for all things are yours-
whether life or death, or the world,
whether Paul, or Apollos, or Peter,
or things present, or things to come,
ALL are yours,
and you are Christ's,
and Christ is God's."
Awesome statement. Hence rely on no one.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 04, 2021, 10:59:27 PM
Few there be who walk this path. I was called some 40 years ago.
The O.T is full of examples of this concept. Many called, but few chosen.
The prophets were never liked. They required the people to make changes to their life style.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 04, 2021, 10:59:27 PM
It's clear with me that not many wise men are called. So God has chosen the foolish to confuse the wise. I know I am called because of what God has done to my consciousness.
Amen!!!!! A wicked and adulterous nation seek a sign, and not sign will be given except the sign of Jonah- that is the resurrection of Christ after 3 days- so no signs.
This seems to highlight that the modern signs many are claiming today are false. Casting out demons, healing... in Jesus name- yet Christ states He NEVER knew them. They are an example of the miss-use of power. Howling impostors in fact.[2 Tim 3;13]
All this could be part of where there is the reference to where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name there I will be in the midst of them.
2 or 3- not 2000 or 3000.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 04, 2021, 10:59:27 PM
And God's spirit does not remain in me,it comes and goes.
I.M.O we are sealed by His spirit. The peace of God which cannot be explained. We are not required to work miracles.
The time can seem like there is nothing happening, but you are protected and learning from the source at His rate, not yours.
May the reality of this statement touch your heart and encourage you.
I am encouraged , thank you
Amen and amen. You know the story. We all have to learn , who is really guiding us. As you stated we learn from God , in Jeremiah 24: 7, :"I will give them a heart to know me." Some of my learnings have been unorthodox I admit .
Quote from: Mickiel on August 05, 2021, 09:42:50 AM
Amen and amen. You know the story. We all have to learn , who is really guiding us. As you stated we learn from God , in Jeremiah 24: 7, :"I will give them a heart to know me." Some of my learnings have been unorthodox I admit .
Yet I maintain most of my speculations come from scripture and how they impress my mind , and I am comfortable with that : having my own views. I mean I see what I see, I understand what I understand. I am not fishing for agreement, merely expressing myself and beliefs.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 05, 2021, 06:35:48 PM
Quote from: Mickiel on August 05, 2021, 09:42:50 AM
Amen and amen. You know the story. We all have to learn , who is really guiding us. As you stated we learn from God , in Jeremiah 24: 7, :"I will give them a heart to know me." Some of my learnings have been unorthodox I admit .
Yet I maintain most of my speculations come from scripture and how they impress my mind , and I am comfortable with that : having my own views. I mean I see what I see, I understand what I understand. I am not fishing for agreement, merely expressing myself and beliefs.
It is vain speculation we must avoid. ! I see nothing wrong with brothers sitting around discussing scriptures that we really don't know the answers, but we are discussing what they could mean. Well it could be this , because of that scripture, or it could be that because of this other scripture. Constantly asking God for guidance.
Divine revelation- ergo as God teaches us so that nobody can take credit for anything.
This also makes us equal in His sight- hence no longer Jew or Greek.... but all in Christ.
Learning is indeed an ongoing process.
In looking for spiritual understanding , you are using what is called spiritual discernment. A decision making process in which an individual makes a discovery that can lead to future action. God guides the individual to help them arrive at the best decision. Discernment is a gift where you can see through smokescreens and obstacles. Discernment is the ability to distinguish : it's judgement. And outside of God , Christ and the Holy Spirit, I trust my own discernment far more than others. Spiritual discernment is a gift from God, physical discernment is a learned skill. Discernment is a wise way of judging between things. This adds weight to assumption's that you do manage to see , it adds its own wisdom. I think it's a good thing to even Practice. You could take on discernment as a deliberate practice.
Discernment is a unique discipline that takes practice , insight, commitment and unrelenting follow through. It makes you pray , makes you go to God. I have experienced being right about a speculation, and being wrong. And it's not wrong to trust your own discernment , we can discern for ourselves what is right. Job 34:4. Sometimes it's best not to let anything get between you and God. When you walk alone anyway, it's not much of a choice.
I think we should be careful of it, not really fearful of it. Brave and upright enough to tell others what a son of God thinks . Wise enough to ask God to help us think , you'll look up one day and find wisdom in you, sound speculation and your assumption's right on target . To gain more insight we have to often press our prayers on God, be unrelenting in your desire to know the truth. In Luke 22:44 Jesus prayed so hard his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.
Quote from: Ross on August 06, 2021, 12:18:43 PM
Divine revelation- ergo as God teaches us so that nobody can take credit for anything.
This also makes us equal in His sight- hence no longer Jew or Greek.... but all in Christ.
Learning is indeed an ongoing process.
Amen. My own sinful life has me knowing I cannot take credit for anything. Learning is indeed an ongoing process , that I think will not be affected by eternity.
There really is not a word in scripture for eternity. Those aonian arguments are beyond me. Eternal, everlasting, forever , many terms are used. Always. And quess what, all those terms involve time. You can't take time from eternity.
What day or hour God returns, only he knows. But it's a matter of time. Why is God taking so long to return? He's taking his "Time". Taking his time in eternity.. He is being patient, Patience has to do with time. They may need more time to finish the reconstruction of all things. When will God call out his end time church? At the right time. Even the plan of salvation involves time.
In Rev.22:2 the new heaven and earth are finished all old things are passed away. We're living in eternity and the there is a tree of life which gave 12 kinds of fruit every month for the healing of the nations. Months are measures of time and date. So here we have months in the kingdom. Now we know that months are filled with days. All used in time.
Just one of those interesting side lines:
Jeremiah 10:2 " Do not learn the way of the nations for the customs of the people are false.
And do not be scared by the signs of the heavens, for the nations are scared by them. "
This, for me, is like a reinforcement of Paul's statement to the Hebrews about not being conformed to this age, but literally transformed by the renewing of our mind
Considering that we can't currently fathom the depth of His love by our fleshly mind makes this one incredible statement- not a maybe but a statement.
Awesome stuff really.
I think being transformed by the renewing of the mind involves radical change in our consciousness , and being willing to change when it's needed. To break through the conformity of this age I think we need to take giant steps at times , not hold back with a conservative consciousness. The ways of the nations are almost always traditional thinking. We can't think old school and think we are growing in knowledge.
We have to dare to learn sometimes , walk down roads we never walked before. Learn things we never knew. Even if and when we are wrong, God will reveal that. God says " My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Often it's what we don't know that hurts us. And this is serious stuff, God didn't say we get weak for lack of knowledge, or it will harmfully pass , he said his people are "Destroyed" , for lack of knowledge. That's heavy.
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We have to dare to learn sometimes , walk down roads we never walked before. Learn things we never knew. Even if and when we are wrong, God will reveal that. God says " My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Often it's what we don't know that hurts us. And this is serious stuff, God didn't say we get weak for lack of knowledge, or it will harmfully pass , he said his people are "Destroyed" , for lack of knowledge. That's heavy.
When we lack vision we perish in our learning. Prov. 29:18 , "Where there is no vision the people perish." Their race just dies out. This is what happened to the Neanderthal and Cromagnon man. They just had very little knowledge or vision. They were never conscious of civilization. I get accused a lot for stepping out further. Most just like to stick to the trunk of the tree , I like getting out on the branches and reaching.
When God inspires it's awesome , nothing else like it. Being called has by far been the most important exciting thing that has happened to me. Having knowledge downloaded into your consciousness is astounding. I think having knowledge from God is eternal. The wisdom , understanding , intelligence of mind , never wears out , is never used up. The divine gift of spiritual discernment is unimpairable , indestructible , permanent. It cannot be lost , altered , infected or defective , it is everlasting fact.
A true student of God and Christ is just going to be an amazing individual.
So where is eternity? Well I think it's all around us , we just can't see it. It's everywhere , the realm of God. I think one could say it's in another dimension and that be correct. To enter you pass from death to life , unless just your spirit is carried there for visitation only. To be shown things, like what happened to The apostle John. No one knows the day or hour God will return, but I bet some of us will sense it. As God draws near , the believer will be affected by that. When God comes closer to earth, it's impossible for nothing to be affected by his movements. Even the earth will sense it. We already long for him.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 07, 2021, 10:14:32 PM
So where is eternity? Well I think it's all around us , we just can't see it. It's everywhere , the realm of God. I think one could say it's in another dimension and that be correct. To enter you pass from death to life , unless just your spirit is carried there for visitation only. To be shown things, like what happened to The apostle John. No one knows the day or hour God will return, but I bet some of us will sense it. As God draws near , the believer will be affected by that. When God comes closer to earth, it's impossible for nothing to be affected by his movements. Even the earth will sense it. We already long for him.
In Romans 8:19-23 " For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the Sons of God.For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope . Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of curruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." For we know the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves , waiting for the adoption , the redemption of our body ".
The earth will sense the coming of God, his leave of absence has affected everything. We were made subject to vanity so we could develop hope to be delivered. This is what spearheaded the events in the garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were made subject to hope , creating the Need for Christ to deliver a world now in bondage. This is the manifestation of the Sons of God. Waiting for the adoption.
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So where is eternity? Well I think it's all around us , we just can't see it. It's everywhere , the realm of God. I think one could say it's in another dimension and that be correct. To enter you pass from death to life , unless just your spirit is carried there for visitation only. To be shown things, like what happened to The apostle John. No one knows the day or hour God will return, but I bet some of us will sense it. As God draws near , the believer will be affected by that. When God comes closer to earth, it's impossible for nothing to be affected by his movements. Even the earth will sense it. We already long for him.
In Romans 8:19-23 " For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the Sons of God.For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope . Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of curruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." For we know the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves , waiting for the adoption , the redemption of our body ".
The earth will sense the coming of God, his leave of absence has affected everything. We were made subject to vanity so we could develop hope to be delivered. This is what spearheaded the events in the garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were made subject to hope , creating the Need for Christ to deliver a world now in bondage. This is the manifestation of the Sons of God. Waiting for the adoption.
In 1John 3:2-3 , Beloved now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he shall appear, we shall be like him ; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that has this hope in him purifieth himself , even as he is pure. The die is cast, the salvation Is done , now we just wait. But we have a very powerful hope in us, so powerful It purifieth itself. Takes care of itself because It is a living hope. Not only will we see God as he originally is, AND we will be "Like him." Gen.3:22" The Lord God said , behold the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil." So again part of being In God's image is our consciousness, that is open to God. We cannot be conscious of, those things we are not conscious of. It has been granted to us to know.
1Pet.1:3-5 ,God , according to his abundant mercy has given us a lively Hope ,( a living Hope ) , by the resurrection of Jesus from the dead , to an inheritance incorruptible an undefiled , and that does not grow weaker , reserved in heaven for you. Our salvation is kept by the power of God. The devil , sin and and evil cannot get to it and infect our salvation , it's super secured and sealed. Our own behavior cannot touch our salvation , our birthright. We have reservations in heaven booked long ago. This is great news for sinners and unbelievers. Everyone will be vacinated as salvation becomes a mandate. An actual date with the Father. Jesus as our advocate is able to save them, Heb. 7:25 he ever liveth to make intercession for the them. Praise God, how wonderful this insurance that the Father freely gives. Jesus ever lives to stand up for us and make us righteous before the Father
We're so covered , so protected , so loved! Even when satan manages to get into our heads while we pray , Jesus is there to intercede for us and present the prayer to the Father without spot or wrinkle.
Yes, yes , with Jesus as our advocate , meaning our support system, pleads on our behalf and represents our salvation interest. He singlehandedly took on Satan and defeated him in a classic case of power and purge. He gave his life for us all and because of that he became a better Saviour. Through Christ the Father imputes No sin to humanity. What do we even say to him when we meet in eternity? Just fall to our knees and worship.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 08, 2021, 06:28:22 PM
Yes, yes , with Jesus as our advocate , meaning our support system, pleads on our behalf and represents our salvation interest. He singlehandedly took on Satan and defeated him in a classic case of power and purge. He gave his life for us all and because of that he became a better Saviour. Through Christ the Father imputes No sin to humanity. What do we even say to him when we meet in eternity? Just fall to our knees and worship.
We fall on our knees with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord., We are changed into the same image from glory to glory , even as by the spirit of the Lord . Now the Lord Is that spirit ; and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2Corinth. 3:17-18. Liberty, freedom not bondage to sin and the lake of fire. Freedom from the punishments that religion has announced. Our salvation interest are things which may not be seen , but the things not seen are eternal. Our salvation interest are vested in the manufactured death and resurrection of Christ. Jesus came to give his very life as a ransom for many , Matt.20:28. And weave the Father into many. Eph. 4:6 One God and Father of all , who is above all , and through all and In you all. And all are given grace. Salvation is complete coverage . And we must seriously learn this salvation and be well grounded in it. No longer tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine , but speaking the truth in love and grow up into him.
So me myself, I like speaking out in places I go like this , you know say something, bear witness to the truth you know. Strangely most people tend to be quiet and hardly share. Part of worshipping is speaking out , tell the people what God has done to you. Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. It's so much better when you fellowship with a person instead of a wall. You glean so much more. Satan has slapped a wall of silence on many believers, to silence that truth he hates. God bless your hearts, don't allow him to gag you .
Visit some of the universalism sites and see how that strong spirit of silence is making them almost dead of inspiration. Their leaders are dying off and the young newcomers neglected. God help us
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There is the fear of sharing that has gotten out there. Believers in this new truth seem to think we're supposed to be mute statues and withhold these truths. I never have understood this. It's like a spell cast over a people. Just because they learned it's God that opens a human, then they seem to think they need to stay out of that. Leave the newcomer to learn on their own. Or as if we can't share the truth because it's classified or something. Just lazy weird ideas that are not helpful to people at all. Hoarding the truth unto themselves.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 09, 2021, 10:13:33 PM
There is the fear of sharing that has gotten out there. Believers in this new truth seem to think we're supposed to be mute statues and withhold these truths. I never have understood this. It's like a spell cast over a people. Just because they learned it's God that opens a human, then they seem to think they need to stay out of that. Leave the newcomer to learn on their own. Or as if we can't share the truth because it's classified or something. Just lazy weird ideas that are not helpful to people at all. Hoarding the truth unto themselves.
We need not hoard the truth , or hide behind it on a website. As people are drawn to the truth, there's nothing other believers can do to mess that process up. Open your hearts to others , for we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth, 2Corinth. 13: 8. The bible is not against sharing the truth. Witnessing is not a taboo. We don't have to stand on street corners shouting out scripture , or try to convince others of this way , but at least be willing to explain your belief as that door opens. If heaven knows your going to have radio silence, then that door probably won't open for you anyway.
God's truth will endure to all generations , Psalms 100:5. If I asked you what is your active right now participation in this , how are you helping this truth endure , what will you say? Let me give an example. Here we have a person called by God , they are filled with truth, knowledge of God bursting at the seems: the spirit seems to be with them, yet they can walk around all day long , interact with all kinds of people , and never even mention God and his truth. Go the whole day and never discuss salvation with others.
And some brethren dare bring up "',well I don't want to cast pearls on swine ". Meaning why waste the truth, really your saying why waste your time on an unbeliever. Their minds are closed. No , push forward with all those gifts you have collecting moss. Let each of us prove our own work, Gal.6:4. We cannot afford to grow weary in our well doing , your equipped enough to Bear your own burden , and let those taught in the word communicate , and experience the love , joy and will of spreading the gospel out of your mouth, pass your face, and into the conscious mind of another.
To Bear witness to the truth you make a statement with your life and how you live it. You communicate , you don't be silent and hold back. You can bear witness through your writing, through art or by simply sharing. In John 18:37 Jesus said he came into the world to Bear witness to the truth. Jesus communicated with the people. He used scripture and parables. He actively participated every day. I used to go to nursery homes , recreation centers and schools and tell this truth. I recall writing for magazines and newspapers along the way. It's been a ball.
I recall one magazine kicking me off the staff for writing Hersey. They gave me a one way ticket to hell.
Yes in my younger years I was daring with this truth. I was going everywhere and putting this stuff out there. Ahhh those were the days , arguing day and night. Then one day you just settle down, stop chopping off people's heads and your standing there alone, on top of all these dead doctrines , your sword heavy and you just rest.
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Yes in my younger years I was daring with this truth. I was going everywhere and putting this stuff out there. Ahhh those were the days , arguing day and night. Then one day you just settle down, stop chopping off people's heads and your standing there alone, on top of all these dead doctrines , your sword heavy and you just rest.
Then you realize your alone. Youve beaten and cut everyone up. Now you want someone to talk to about this way. And it's no one there. You've chased them all away. 35 years of fighting , now you take 15 years of peace and reason. Before you know it you have studied salvation for 50 years, clinging to this new precious truth.
Regretting all the dumb mistakes I made , all the religious people I bullied , all the pagan places I invaded. Those were good people I mowed down , they knew what they knew, I had to go to God to forgive me and settle me, make some sense out of it all.
God, who knows our hearts , is creating a work in you.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 11, 2021, 08:20:10 AM
God, who knows our hearts , is creating a work in you.
This kept me from having a nervous breakdown , believing that God is creating a good work in me. We are not a waste of flesh. Salvation is heaven committed to a mold of Super grace , Super Love , and Super mercy. Each one of us are God's workmanship.
In Eph. 2:10, " For we are his workmanship , created in Christ Jesus for good works , which God prepared beforehand , that we should walk in them. " We were created by creators to create good works. And he will make us complete in every good work. Hebrews 13:20-21.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 11, 2021, 06:44:58 PM
In Eph. 2:10, " For we are his workmanship , created in Christ Jesus for good works , which God prepared beforehand , that we should walk in them. " We were created by creators to create good works. And he will make us complete in every good work. Hebrews 13:20-21.
It's humbling to realize that God is still working on you, invested in you. Phil.1:6"Being confident of this very thing , that he who has begun a good work in you will complete it unto the day of Jesus Christ. He's not finished yet. Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God , and may Jesus divine power give you all things that pertain to life and godliness. That we abide in him and bear much fruit , for without him we can do nothing. He chose us before the foundation of the world, that we should become holy and without blame. Praise God we are predestined to adoption as sons, prime suited to be equipped for any ministry to edify the body of Christ.
Yes God is still working on us. If we closely consider the work of God , who can make that straight , which he has made crooked? Ecclesiastes 7:13. God works in mysterious ways at times , he can bend a human or pressure their lives, he can place you in pain for prolonged periods of time , or just make your path crooked, Lam.3:9. And he "Works" like that. He will cause grief, vs.32, , or have you quietly waiting on salvation. Vs 26. There is a whole panarama of things he may do. But it's a part of his work.
Behold I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is there anything too hard for me? Jer. 32:27. God is still working and with some of us he's turning up the heat. And only he knows why. God will be easy on you and hard on you , it just depends. On the outcome he wants. When he finishes you'll be like Job in 42:2," I know that you can do everything, no thought can be with-holden from there."
We face a great power in God, a great work is being done here. And he will let nothing stand in his way.
Iron sharpens iron, because both are strong. So God chastens his child strongly at times. It actually equipts the believer with a tougher armor to withstand the devil's attacks. Even if we don't want a fight , often we have to. We cannot grow weary of well doing. We need to look at salvation from every view we can, experience it from each emotional base we can manage to. To know salvation in and out. To be able to explain it dozens of ways. Familiarize our very being with it. In this manner we step closer to God.
As we step closer to God , we walk nearer to understanding him, he is a circular being. He is not a straight continual line, he is circular, connected , actually wrapped around eternity. Completely enclosing it. Having no beginnings or endings. Whole. You can see this in some of the spacial rotations God has created in the galaxies ; they spiral and spin in an amazing galactic dance. Disappearing in never ending black holes in space.
What then is the starting point for reason? Either a world that began in chance , is governed by nothing,and is heading nowhere ,or one that is filled with purpose and meaning because there is a creator , an intelligence , behind it all. The unity in circular reasoning always can bring us a continuity in our projections and precepts, God is and will be at the forefront of all thought and reality. Salvation is a sled that got us into the loop. Now we face massive education beyond any scale.
We see some of what God did when he created this universe, it's no telling what he has done this time in it's recreation. He steps out on the floors of space and powers up internally and fills reality with the miracles of his awesome minds. All new creations, everything made new. We will see how he expressed himself, endulged Jesus to join him in a mighty siloethe of engenuis masterful glory never seen before.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 13, 2021, 08:10:47 PM
We see some of what God did when he created this universe, it's no telling what he has done this time in it's recreation. He steps out on the floors of space and powers up internally and fills reality with the miracles of his awesome minds. All new creations, everything made new. We will see how he expressed himself, endulged Jesus to join him in a mighty siloethe of engenuis masterful glory never seen before.
And all that new majasty will be a big part of our salvation. In Ps.21:5" His glory is great in thy salvation , honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him." Ps.145:12" To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts and the glorious majesty of his kingdom." We will see this with our eyes. It will be known, common knowledge , the might of God's salvation and decorative designs. I believe he will create actual heavenly mansions. BY the millions! Liter the earthly landscape with them. In John 14:2 Jesus said in his Father's house there are many mansions, if it were not true I would not say so. We will have a welcome and permanent place in the Kingdom. The many mansions ,at the least, means there will be plenty of room. Much can be left to how one translates it. In my view I think it means very large dwelling places. That fits God more. The more dynamic , the more likely it's true.
Common sense speculation ought tell us that Jesus is certainly not telling us that heaven has small compartmentalized spaces or little flats to live in. To jam in millions of residents. Mansion means large and impressive. Even on earth now it means at least 8,000 square feet.
Jesus revelation in how to pray in. Matt. 6:10 thy kingdom come , and in verse 13, lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. This deliverance is from destruction , difficulty or evil. This is salvation in our Lord's prayer. Heaven will have a salvation landscape , billions of delivered humans now shape and fill a new kingdom.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 14, 2021, 12:44:40 PM
Jesus revelation in how to pray in. Matt. 6:10 thy kingdom come , and in verse 13, lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. This deliverance is from destruction , difficulty or evil. This is salvation in our Lord's prayer. Heaven will have a salvation landscape , billions of delivered humans now shape and fill a new kingdom.
With of course Satan doing what he can to hurt the kingdom now while humanity is weak. As in Matt.23:13 the thinking is to shut off the kingdom from men. Limited atonement is Satan trying to squeeze and choke believers. Limited salvation is a breed from the devil. A scourge. A big lie..
Matt.25:34, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. From the foundation of the world until now is an awful long time. Ohh what wonders there must be , God is really looking to impress.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 14, 2021, 04:57:55 PM
Matt.25:34, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. From the foundation of the world until now is an awful long time. Ohh what wonders there must be , God is really looking to impress.
This keys us in on how long God has worked on the kingdom. He started before he created the universe. Or at the same time, either way he has invested time in it's creation. For man to have a kingdom prepared for him shows how God has elevated man. This is heavenly honour.
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Matt.25:34, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. From the foundation of the world until now is an awful long time. Ohh what wonders there must be , God is really looking to impress.
This keys us in on how long God has worked on the kingdom. He started before he created the universe. Or at the same time, either way he has invested time in it's creation. For man to have a kingdom prepared for him shows how God has elevated man. This is heavenly honour.
We will be exposed to two great forms of life in the kingdom. Rev.22:1-2" And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal , proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. And in the midst of the street of it , and on either side of the river , was the tree of life , which bare 12 manner of fruit each month,the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." A stunning sight, a river of life coming right out from Gods throne , feeding a tree of life that feeds God's children. Two stunning sources of life
Life pouring out from Gods throne healing his people personally. To be able to eat and drink life itself! This is certain to change all who partake of it, in ways and means that we just don't know yet. But these are the two sources of life revealed to become a part of us all.
I don't know if we will drink the water of life, or bathe in it or both? The same with the leaves,, will we eat them? Be annointed by them, be wiped down? Unknown. Mysterious. Excited to think on it. Salvation has so many branches.
God's throne must be magnificent , a powerful mixture of fire and water ever present. A great crystal clear river proceeding right out from his throne and a great rainbow surrounds the throne. The 7 great spirit fires burn on the throne , and the great tree of life at it's base. Visually stunning , with great Cherubs and Seraphim angels towering at each end. The 24 elders and Christ, all there. Whew!
Indeed so glorious our current state of being cannot get close- which is why the need to be literally in Christ.
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Indeed so glorious our current state of being cannot get close- which is why the need to be literally in Christ.
Oh yes literally, no exaggerating is needed. In our current state we couldn't get close.i don't think because of Medusa like reasons or extreme heat , I don't think the human conscious can't properly discern a visage of God. Besides, God's presence Eliminates sin so no flesh could survive under normal circumstances.
I wonder why no man could see God and live? I said before that he disolves sin , the sinner just disolves with it? I wonder if it is a fearful death from fright? I doubt that. A complete nervous breakdown from seeing pure goodness and joy? Or just plain shock? One of my fears of eternity.
1Tim.6:15-16 says no man has seen God or can see God, so it's never happened before, as far as we know. 1John 4:12 , Ex.33:20-22, in Rev. 1:7 we will see Jesus. Sometimes I wonder if we ever will see God?
In Rev.4:2 John Says he sees the throne of God and him sitting on it. He then describes a. Immaculate living picture for us to read and see in 1-9. One of the great creatures around God covered with eyes actually has the face of a human. There were 4 of these great angels each had six wings. They constantly recite words of announcement, "Holy , Holy, holy is the Lord God almighty who was and is and is coming. John said God looked like jasper and carnelian. Jasper is red colored quartz crystal glass, carnelian is an orange gem. So John saw God's complexion as dark. And Jesus is most likely the same,
The Jasper and Carnelian gem stones , red and orange, suggest God and Christ are dark complexion beings . It also supports them being fire beings , red and orange certainly are suggestive of heat.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 17, 2021, 12:32:30 AM
The Jasper and Carnelian gem stones , red and orange, suggest God and Christ are dark complexion beings . It also supports them being fire beings , red and orange certainly are suggestive of heat.
In Rev. 4:2-4, Some versions use "The Sardine stone" in John's description, it is the same color, reddish brown 🟤. God had the appearence of being dark complexioned. Which is interesting because most Anglo Saxon or European art picture God and Christ as being blue eyed white men with flowing locs of curly hair. These obvious errors have the most popularity in history. The 4 Great 6 winged beasts on the throne had face of a man, an Eagle , a Lion and a calf.
Some view all this as symbolism or metaphor , I view it as literal. I think The Father and Christ, and many angelic beings, are mixtures of heavenly things and earthly beasts, and fire , water and Jewels. Along with wings. Majestic in sight, it is difficult to place together an exact look of something that kills you for looking at it.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 17, 2021, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: Mickiel on August 17, 2021, 12:32:30 AM
The Jasper and Carnelian gem stones , red and orange, suggest God and Christ are dark complexion beings . It also supports them being fire beings , red and orange certainly are suggestive of heat.
In Rev. 4:2-4, Some versions use "The Sardine stone" in John's description, it is the same color, reddish brown 🟤. God had the appearence of being dark complexioned. Which is interesting because most Anglo Saxon or European art picture God and Christ as being blue eyed white men with flowing locs of curly hair. These obvious errors have the most popularity in history. The 4 Great 6 winged beasts on the throne had face of a man, an Eagle , a Lion and a calf.
Some view all this as symbolism or metaphor , I view it as literal. I think The Father and Christ, and many angelic beings, are mixtures of heavenly things and earthly beasts, and fire , water and Jewels. Along with wings. Majestic in sight, it is difficult to place together an exact look of something that kills you for looking at it.
It is also of interest that Christ was from the root and offspring of David, Rev.22:16, and David's appearance or countenance was that he had as"Ruddy", or dark red in complexion , 1Sam.16:12. David was Ruddy as is God and Christ and in scripture, but we have very little art depicting that. This let's us know that racism entered into even biblical translations.
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Quote from: Mickiel on August 17, 2021, 12:32:30 AM
The Jasper and Carnelian gem stones , red and orange, suggest God and Christ are dark complexion beings . It also supports them being fire beings , red and orange certainly are suggestive of heat.
In Rev. 4:2-4, Some versions use "The Sardine stone" in John's description, it is the same color, reddish brown 🟤. God had the appearence of being dark complexioned. Which is interesting because most Anglo Saxon or European art picture God and Christ as being blue eyed white men with flowing locs of curly hair. These obvious errors have the most popularity in history. The 4 Great 6 winged beasts on the throne had face of a man, an Eagle , a Lion and a calf.
Some view all this as symbolism or metaphor , I view it as literal. I think The Father and Christ, and many angelic beings, are mixtures of heavenly things and earthly beasts, and fire , water and Jewels. Along with wings. Majestic in sight, it is difficult to place together an exact look of something that kills you for looking at it.
It is also of interest that Christ was from the root and offspring of David, Rev.22:16, and David's appearance or countenance was that he had as"Ruddy", or dark red in complexion , 1Sam.16:12. David was Ruddy as is God and Christ and in scripture, but we have very little art depicting that. This let's us know that racism entered into even biblical translations.
This was good news for salvation in that it opens the door and includes darker skinned races that history tried to exclude from salvation. Many biblical scholars were teaching that dark skinned races were cursed. Now even slaves could be saved and many fought against that. Some of them wanted to limit the salvation of women and children.
There can be no racism in salvation , whew arnt you glad. No human meddling. Yet even with that, the element of being called has messed up a lot of religions and people. They can't handle it. It goes straight to their heads and now their over special. The calling of God is claimed by many churches and tribes. They are self convinced that it's them. They start acting different and aloof . They feel like their anointed and born again.. their heads swell as big as pumpkins.
And it's hard to deflate this condition.
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There can be no racism in salvation , whew arnt you glad. No human meddling. Yet even with that, the element of being called has messed up a lot of religions and people. They can't handle it. It goes straight to their heads and now their over special. The calling of God is claimed by many churches and tribes. They are self convinced that it's them. They start acting different and aloof . They feel like their anointed and born again.. their heads swell as big as pumpkins.
And it's hard to deflate this condition.
Many believers see their calling as natural, something God had no over choice than to do. They were just too good , so he choose them. Because they were noble good people. Yet 1Corinth.1:26-29 contradicts these noble thoughts."For you see your calling, brethren, how not many wise men after the flesh , not many mighty, not many noble are called." So the list is getting shorter and more complex. For God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confuse the wise, and the weak things of the world to confound things which are mighty. And the base things of the world and things which are despised,hath God chosen, yes, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are. That no flesh should glory In his presence. Now this just complexcates things more. So the people who claim to be called, are placing themselves in an ignoble position. Not an attractive one at all
Now they must admit to being foolish, ignorant , weak minded believers. Or just ignore these scripture. God did not want believers bragging about being called and trying to make it seem like an anointed position. But that's what believers did anyway. The temptation to elevate self was just too attractive to the flesh. They failed to see the wisdom and the intent God wanted in the calling.
The calling of God is an area where God moves first ,John 6:44 , no one can call themselves, they must be drawn by God. Personally motivated to move into closed areas of the consciousness. The calling is a holy one, 2Tim.1:9 , that has nothing to do with the character of the believer or the works of the believer, God has other purposes for calling people, grace being a main reason. Something not deserved like a reward for behavior.
There is an extensive "Weeding out process", Matt.22:14", For may are called but few are chosen." Then things are worked out, Romans 8:28-30. But the calling of God is just a matter of time, eventually all are called, 1Corinth.7:17-24.
It's just no doubt that Satan likes to use this calling to get believers stuck in a selfish hole. The calling of God is for blind sinners who need repentance, Luke 5:32. Jesus is very clear that he came to call sinners, not the righteous. We're not called because our spiritual light was shining. So we have to be sure and certain about this being called thing, 2Pet.1:10.
In Gal.1:11-12 Paul reveals the gospel was given to him by the revelation of Jesus Christ , no man taught him that. Men Had absolutely nothing to do with his being anointed, and verse 15 he states God called him by his grace.. In verse 13 he was persecuting the church, then God separated him and set him on a new path. So Paul's resume didn't look good. The grace of God received the shine here. That is how you recognize the calling of God,grace will shine on the individual and God will get the glory. The human is not at their best , God's grace is. The human is not lifted up, God's grace is. The believer is not glorified , God is. This is the global reaction in heaven, and needs to be on earth.
The pathology of the calling of God is unique, his grace is sufficient and his power is made perfect in weakness. 2Corinth. 12:9.unusual the way this works. The called individual cannot boast. You're called to a relationship. To belong to Christ in every element of your life. Your life is no longer your own, you are called to suffer persecution.And God himself suffers with you. One of the fruits of the spirit is suffering. The fruit are God's ways, so God suffers himself. He suffers because you are suffering. You are his child.
Jesus came to call sinners to repentance. , All have sinned so all are called in one manner of speaking. All will be called. Sin is a calling card.
Now the bible shifts gears from a calling stage to a chosen stage. The difference is appointment to action. Being chosen means to go and bear fruit, not hide on a website, John 15:16. Notice 1Pet:2:9-10, But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood , a holy nation , that you may proclaim the praises of him who called you out of darkness into the marvelous light. Like ancient Israel God's own elect. Duet.7:6. Many are called but few chosen, Matt.22:14 , denotes God is preparing to act , he does not build a church to sit on it's rears, A chosen generation , 1Pet.2:9 again chosen to action of praising God and living a life reflecting the fruit of the spirit. When God opens a door , walk through it and see what it is he wants for you "To do!" Do something. Don't just stand there , ask him to show you what to do. We are not called and chosen to freeze and become holy statues. Ask God to change your mentality into a disposition that is pleasing to him, and to change all positions you have that move against being chosen. To change your very consciousness into a chosen individual ready to do his will. Stand up and be chosen!
These are exciting times, get excited! This calling is a great unnatural event in your life. I think one of the greatest challenges to being chosen is boredom, the believer being seduced into a lazy do nothing mentality. When your chosen, even just bible study is a form of worship. How you deal with any and every person you meet takes on new meaning. Your motivation in seeing others as being saved should be solid , so you can see what to offer. We offer a sacrifice of praise and prayer for you and the person. We're not sitting and waiting to board a plane while you knit and enjoy the solitude of yourself. Ignoring everyone , as if your called and chosen to do that. All that power invested in you, for what? To lay down In some kind of coma sleep , until God wakes you up? No, let it never be! God's churches sleepwalking and through the ages , lured into stored statues. Wear the mask for others if you forget Why you wear it.
good stuff !
In Gal. 5:13"You my brothers and sisters , were called to be free." This aspect of the calling is important, you must consider your consciousness. Your mentality and what shape it's in. We look to avoid having a slave mentality to sin. That constricts you and limits your insight . Weights you down and hampers growth. The more free you are , the more you can access the fruit of God. The less control Satan has over you the more happy you can be. No longer imprisoned by the flesh, you can walk stronger and with more conscious meaning to your calling. Free people don't give in to peer pressure and meaningless obligations. We trust only God to adjust our thinking to his will.
In our calling we walk in newness of life , it's a new thing. Preparing for a new future in a new now and a new eternity. Everything's new in this calling, so it's not like were supposed to know it, know what to do. If I may use an unusual analogy, it's like Jesus walked by and saw us stuck inside of a wall and could not move freely. So he frees us, pulls us off of the glue. This is what Romans 8:2 means, ",For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Our whole mentality had to be changed and new. In verse 6" For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life AND peace." It's definitely a new way of living and is a lot more peaceful. A conscious new way of thinking, a higher way of salvation is introduced where eternal life is freely given to all. Not everyone can think in these terms. Because man must see condemnation in the mix and they are stuck in that conscious learning mode. And we must remove the residue of that thinking from ourselves . It's like being let out of prison and adopted by the Father, Rom.8:15 , our conscious has been infected with fear and we want that removed before we enter eternity. We want a clear view of the real salvation. A clear understanding of it.
The calling of God is not to be played with. It's nothing to lie about or to haphazardly assume. It's a serious issue. But it can be faked by many believers, many of which probably really believe the are called, when they are not. Notice 2 Pet. 1:10, "Therefore brethren be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure." This is something we just need to be sure about , be for real with ourselves. Yet, a deceived believer does not know they are deceived. So we're just going to have a lot of believers who are really living a lie. So button down and ask God to show you your calling and plead with him to help your life be on his course, and keep your consciousness from being seared. We cannot be conscious of, those things we are not consciousness of.
Pray that you be established in the truth, especially the truth about yourself. It's a sad thing to think your plugged in to power and your not.
We can pray for "The effectual calling", or God's sovereign drawing of a sinner to salvation. In John 6:44 The Father draws people to him. This drawing so overwhelms the natural inclination to rebel and effects the consciousness of he person being drawn. They willingly now are aware and more faithful. Then God appeals directly to their will to act in order to fulfill his purpose, Phil. 2:13. God must impress his will on the natural state of man. They are drawn not invited.
In the latter times some will abandon the faith following deceiving spirits, having their conscious calling seared 1Tim.4:2. A seared conscious, literally cauterized and rendered insensitive to the spirit, dulls the senses of right and wrong, and floods your calling with spiritual scar tissue. A conscious free from guilt maintains integrity and clear knowledge unclouded by the seared conscious. Being seared can go deep, the deeper the heat the worse the burn on the believer. Pro.6:27.
Without being selfish , we need a level of belief in ourselves that we want this way of life. Do you know what I mean! Deceiving spirits come at you with hypocritical lies because you know the truth. So it seeks to kill the truth in you. A seared conscious is a dead conscious, calloused over so we cannot feel the truth anymore. You can no longer inspire others when your spirit is dead You are darkened in your understanding and separated from God. When you no longer have a sensitive conscious calling, you live for sensuality. You replace love with lust.
Get help to restore yourself, don't try it alone. Why, because Intimacy and closeness are rewards of relationship, both with God and brethren. We enter a sacred place where we have gratitude, joy and security.
In Rom.11:29 the calling of God is irrevocable. Strong scripture that means God's calling can't be changed or reversed. It is final. This is good news for sure. It reveals God is committed to seeing you through. If this does not give you faith, nothing will. You will live this way the rest of your life , there are no more paths for you other than God's. You will continue on with Jesus to all eternity , that is also final. You will live as you are told to live and give yourself to obedience forever. You will love your God with all you heart, soul and mind.
And keep in mind that you are one of the most fortunate beings alive!
The salvation of man is through love an in love . -Viktor Frankl.
Again the true love story. In Heb.7:25 therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. We cannot fail In salvation, if a back door is opened by a demon, Jesus has it covered. If a vine gets severed , he is there to put it back together. He is the vine, we the branches. Notice Jesus "Completely" saves us. Totally , utterly and entirely save us. It's absolute. In John 3:16 God so loved the world that he gave us Jesus , gave us salvation. But first gave us his love. Love is the canvas salvation was drawn on.
That canvas is the core destination of a person's life. Conversion radically alters a person's understanding. It connects loose spiritual ends , and assist us in our walk. The help we need will be there. Jesus has a heavenly host of help assigned to humanity , starting with the first fruits. Conversion is not a coffee break , it's a renewing of the mind.
I know it's very hard to bring people out of their closets to participate in things , but I wanted to know what each of you think about the calling of God. List the signs of a person being called. Tell us why you believe your called. What signs of conversion need to be in place? Share if yo like. Welcome.
My input; signs of the calling and conversion;
1.Some evidence of the fruit of the spirit coming out of you.
2. Your search for knowledge increases.
3.you know that something is in your consciousness that was not there before.
4.you start seeing things differently.
5. The suffering begins.
I have more but I'll stop here and look for responses.
I definetly experienced those things on your list after my born again experience. Not as much now. There is still His comforting presence during prayer. Signs of his calling for me were running into Christians who would either play a significant role in my life or have a message for me. One time being drawn to run up to and talk to a stranger - feeling joyful as i did -whose testimony really affected me. And then the God-given dream of the reality of the dark side - which at the time I wasn't sure existed. I feel like surrendering to Jesus, and giving Him my life was the first good decision that I had made in my life up to that point. It's a mystery why He pursued me as I didn't deserve it with the poor decisions I had made in my life.
Quote from: Andrew on August 22, 2021, 11:11:24 PM
I definetly experienced those things on your list after my born again experience. Not as much now. There is still His comforting presence during prayer. Signs of his calling for me were running into Christians who would either play a significant role in my life or have a message for me. One time being drawn to run up to and talk to a stranger - feeling joyful as i did -whose testimony really affected me. And then the God-given dream of the reality of the dark side - which at the time I wasn't sure existed. I feel like surrendering to Jesus, and giving Him my life was the first good decision that I had made in my life up to that point. It's a mystery why He pursued me as I didn't deserve it with the poor decisions I had made in my life.
As far as your list
1. Evidence - someone coming up behind me and scaring me - and in response I said Jes..- but it was like I couldn't finish saying the word - like I was prevented from committing the sin.
2. Search for knowledge - after the born again experience I was reading the Bible for like 4-5 hours a day - like it was a passion.
Quote from: Andrew on August 22, 2021, 11:32:44 PM
Quote from: Andrew on August 22, 2021, 11:11:24 PM
I definetly experienced those things on your list after my born again experience. Not as much now. There is still His comforting presence during prayer. Signs of his calling for me were running into Christians who would either play a significant role in my life or have a message for me. One time being drawn to run up to and talk to a stranger - feeling joyful as i did -whose testimony really affected me. And then the God-given dream of the reality of the dark side - which at the time I wasn't sure existed. I feel like surrendering to Jesus, and giving Him my life was the first good decision that I had made in my life up to that point. It's a mystery why He pursued me as I didn't deserve it with the poor decisions I had made in my life.
As far as your list
1. Evidence - someone coming up behind me and scaring me - and in response I said Jes..- but it was like I couldn't finish saying the word - like I was prevented from committing the sin.
2. Search for knowledge - after the born again experience I was reading the Bible for like 4-5 hours a day - like it was a passion.
Amen.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 23, 2021, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: Andrew on August 22, 2021, 11:32:44 PM
Quote from: Andrew on August 22, 2021, 11:11:24 PM
I definetly experienced those things on your list after my born again experience. Not as much now. There is still His comforting presence during prayer. Signs of his calling for me were running into Christians who would either play a significant role in my life or have a message for me. One time being drawn to run up to and talk to a stranger - feeling joyful as i did -whose testimony really affected me. And then the God-given dream of the reality of the dark side - which at the time I wasn't sure existed. I feel like surrendering to Jesus, and giving Him my life was the first good decision that I had made in my life up to that point. It's a mystery why He pursued me as I didn't deserve it with the poor decisions I had made in my life.
As far as your list
1. Evidence - someone coming up behind me and scaring me - and in response I said Jes..- but it was like I couldn't finish saying the word - like I was prevented from committing the sin.
2. Search for knowledge - after the born again experience I was reading the Bible for like 4-5 hours a day - like it was a passion.
Amen.
Amen, that hunger and thrust for righteousness will grow with you. That hunger to study and know more. The hunger to be right. The thirst for the truth about it all becomes paramount. And we know your hunger and thirst for righteousness will be filled. Knowledge becomes a passion for you ,then a joyful process. Matt. 5:6 becomes a promise from Christ. And you surrender to Jesus as your sanctification begins. A story you will never forget an hopefully always bear witness to.
Signs of the calling ,
6. Matt. 6:33-34 but seek you first his kingdom and his righteousness.
Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead ,I press on toward what is the goal to win the prize for Which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus . Keep your new priorities right. Fix your thoughts on Jesus. Now you are heading toward becoming a chosen vessel , a royal priesthood, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness ito his wonderful light. Phil.3:12-14. One of the reasons for the calling, which the bible does not always give, is to "Declare the praises of him who called you." Again this is a call to action , do something , don't just sit on your calling, it's potentially too powerful. Say something, praise him to yourself and others. That's what "Declare" means, say something. And it means to say It publically.
Many believers in this way are spoiled silent by Satan, training themselves to say nothing about heir own calling. Declare means to authoritatively affirm . I'm sorry about your comfort zone , but this message is but far too important to leave it in the hands of mutes. You don't have to start a crusade, but can you manage to tell just one person a day about the truth?; Just one? You do and you will become an effective witness, that's over 300 people year. Now were getting somewhere. We're giving people flowers while they live. Break the chains of complacency , how can we contain such a great truth inside you and not let it out? I often wonder about that. As smart as God's people are, they let Satan muzzle them. 1Pet.315, Mark16:15-16, Col. 4:6, Romans 1:16, Acts 18, Isaiah 43:10,
7. Signs of the calling.
Your a baby thinking your full grown in the word. This one is a
Natural barrier, you just get in your own way. Again the head swells because a great thing is taking place in you. The knowledge of God puffs up, how can it not? So we get the pumpkin head and now we know it all . We spew out knowledge just so others can know it's there, not to help them . So much knowledge we pacify ourselves and get like overstuffed pigs offering ourselves to the hungry.
The seduction of the Christian mind is legendary in the halls of self. You start thinking about the good reasons God called you.. The bible gives no reasons for the calling of God other than grace. It has absolutely nothing to do with you. You start tripping over your baby steps. The immaturity starts leaking out, you begin chokeing on the meat..
Now only time can help you.
Some of you who have been trained to withhold the truth may experience a bursting out of that closet. In Jeremiah 20:9," Then I said I will not make mention of him , nor speak anymore in his name, but his word was in my heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I grew weary with forbearing , and I could not hold my peace." God's word just filled his heart too much for him to remain a gospel mute. Psalms 39:1-3," I said I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue : I will keep my mouth with a bridle while the wicked is before me. I was dumb with silence , I held my peace , even from good. And my sorrow was stirred. My heart was hot within me , while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue." The forces of the wicked wants you to remain silent , to hold your peace even on good matters of salvation. But speak out we must! To know the greatest truth to ever be exposed to humanity , then to withhold that truth, is just dumb. It's a crime against humanity and heaven.
8. Signs of the calling.
You develop a strong dislike for religion . Unless you already had it.
My fuse for religion got real short, I mean I started hating it. And strangely I started studying it . That White horse. There's nothing worse than a deceitful religion or minister. I started to going after them everyday on the net. Fighting them and sparing with them. I started seeing ugly deceptions all in religion. Especially Christianity. Whew how I cut the fat on them.
The calling of God does something to the temperament when religion is in the room. Your tolerance for anything that ruins or attacks the integrity of God is easily ofended.
In John 15:16 , "You have not chosen me , I choose you , and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit." Again the calling of God is a call to action, not to sit on your hands. Do something, : do what? Bring forth fruit. This has a dual meaning .On the one hand it means that you grow in the spirit and you start showing the fruit coming out of you. And that you learn to help it grow in others. Learn to plant, to water them and God give the increase. It will take some time before you see this, but it can be done. It is a joyful process. Some of the times you won't even know you have helped them. Maybe good for your head if you don't know.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 25, 2021, 02:28:14 AM
In John 15:16 , "You have not chosen me , I choose you , and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit." Again the calling of God is a call to action, not to sit on your hands. Do something, : do what? Bring forth fruit. This has a dual meaning .On the one hand it means that you grow in the spirit and you start showing the fruit coming out of you. And that you learn to help it grow in others. Learn to plant, to water them and God give the increase. It will take some time before you see this, but it can be done. It is a joyful process. Some of the times you won't even know you have helped them. Maybe good for your head if you don't know.
Here we see the believer is also ordained. I think that means God has invested in you , appointed you to do what you do. God is actively working in you now, in order to get things out of you later. He could gift you what your going to need along the way. He just wants you to get used to walking with him.
8. Signs of the calling.
God has called you to be witness. In MATT. 24:14 This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nation's, then the end will come. How many do you know who preach this way of life? In Isaiah 43:10, we are his witnesses , chosen servants , that we may know him. God called you to help. Prov. 14:25 A true Witness delivereth souls.
9. Signs of the calling.
In John 6:44 God draws certain believers out of the world. It then is he that moves first in conversion. It's also why some called out believers do not believe we should witness. They feel like it's the Holy Spirits job. Although I understand that, I certainly don't believe it. Those called are now apart of a chosen race, a whole new race, a royal Priesthood , a holy nation , a people for God's own possession. Notice 1Pet. 2:9," So that you may proclaim the excellences of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light."
God did all that so that you may proclaim it. Declare it to others. This is no secret society. Proclaim means to Declare it publicly. Trying to get some believers to do that is like talking to a brick wall. They treat the gospel like it's a book they are reading, when they finish they place it on a shelf. But they keep the knowledge of it on their own conscious shelf.read Eph.1;3-14 A bueatiful piece of scripture. Being called is an encouragement for a tiny persecuted people. There are no biblical grounds for our being chosen other than grace. We are predestined to praise God. Anyhow, God bless you and I hope that some of you become creators of how to witness this truth.
10. Signs of the calling.
More and more than ever before , you start getting healed , battles are being fought for you. Some things go right . Scripture opens up to you. You start to love the people of the world more. You believe in this truth more and more. This is one reason why I reject the mute approach to being called, the calling drives you to the people , so you can love them. You live somewhere for 20 years and never been in your neighbor's house. Something is wrong with that . The great God calls you and you begin to withdraw from the world. You may as well take your calling and go live under a rock.
A human heart being injected with love, joy, peace , kindness, patience , gentleness is going to affect you. Your not going to be the same. Your going to be drawn to help people. Nobody can tell me different. Your going to have a burning desire to tell this truth to somebody. That's how I know the end time church is not here now. Their going to be like a light on a hill, everybody will know who they are. You know one reason for that, it's the way they will treat the people of the world. The love they will show will be like God's.
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Signs of the calling.
Now we enter into a new area that is related to being called , but is further up the spiritual food chain. Being chosen. Being called is more external , being chosen more internal. More Intimate. There is a little bit of justapsition , or contrasting ideas. We travel further down a glorious line , as in Romans 8:2-30 it is a predestined call but you get reconform to the image of Christ. You are moved further from just being called , you are justified and then glorified , vs.33 now you are elected , the slot is your place. But still no biblical reason exist as to "Why" you get chosen, Romans 1:26-29. God's seems to have want the glory here to go to him. He's really protecting the elect. The hints given out about the anointed elect is not impressive. They are foolish, weak, and despised. Not many of them are noble or mighty.
This is how God wants it. , Vs.29,"That no flesh should glory in his presence. " God wants this weight put on him. Eph. 2:10, "For we are his workmanship , created in Christ Jesus for good works." Again and again created for "works", crated to do something, not just sit there waiting for Christ to return. The more you begin to see the more you are called to do. Don't worry God has you, he's got your back, and Jesus has everything else to bring us through this. We count, we really matter to God. Eph.2:19 , "So then you are no longer strangers and aliens , but you are fellow citizens with the saints , and are of God's household." Being chosen goes deep into the kingdom. You are no longer a surface dweller ,now you can go deeper into the word.
In Isaiah 43:10 you are my witnesses. Declares the Lord, who. I have chosen. Cannot get any clear? The chosen ones have a long list In Col.3:12-17. They are God's personal witnesses.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 26, 2021, 09:01:49 PM
In Isaiah 43:10 you are my witnesses. Declares the Lord, who. I have chosen. Cannot get any clear? The chosen ones have a long list In Col.3:12-17. They are God's personal witnesses.
To be a witness you need knowledge of something. In Hosea God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. So being chosen means you have knowledge of God and can witness that for him.in 1John 4:14 we have seen and do testify the Father sent the Son to be Savior of the world. Now we in this century didn't see this, but we have knowledge of it. So we can still give a good testimony. God is calling us his witnesses! This is no joke or biblical misunderstanding, it's real.
God is not going to call out a church just so they can take a picture. They will have work to do, guided by his spirit.
1. John ,4;7,_" Beloved let us love one another. for love is of God. And everyone that loves is born of God and knoweth God
Chosen people love people and love God.
, the system by which salvation works. Is that we love God and mankind. God loves us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. God dwells in us and that is how our love is made perfect
Chosen people dwell in love. The fear of eternity is erased on love
Perfect love cast out fear. When you have perfect love you are chosen of God..
So the Philadelphia church is to yet come again, because one may have come on the past. But in the end times a similar church may arise. In Rev.3:8 Christ says he knows their works, so it's a working church, witnessing , moving and doing things , active
Christ sets before them an open door, because he knows they will walk through it.
12. Being chosen.
We can glean a bit more of being chosen by examining the Philadelphia church in Revelations 3: 1-13. God opens a lot of doors for them, he gives them lots of opportunity, because he knows they will act. they have a little strength and have kept his word. God will not open doors for believers who are frozen and do nothing. So one sign of being called may be the believers ,"Works'. Look at Gary's work Tentmaker, all that we see and use here comes from doors opened to Gary by God. Tentmaker came through an open door. Gary's work is unique and we'll done. He was a builder. I am convinced it's the best historical information on the church on the internet. Gary did a great work, God bless his heart.
For it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Phil. 2:13 God works In the chosen so that they can work for his pleasure. We are his fellow workers , 1Corinth 3:9. And 2Tim. 8:17 "So that the man of God may be adequate for every good work " Being chosen is being prepared to work for God.
I don't think being a witness for God means standing on a corner shouting out the truth. It is not trying to convince people against their will. You sit down on a bus ride and a person sits next to you. They start talking about God. Here is an open door to witness the powerful word of God. The more God sees you do this, the more doors he will open to do it again. And he will get the increase in the person. It's really not hard to do.. you become a fellow worker with God and Christ. The holy spirit even gets involved.
Quote from: Mickiel on August 27, 2021, 10:59:28 PM
For it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Phil. 2:13 God works In the chosen so that they can work for his pleasure. We are his fellow workers , 1Corinth 3:9. And 2Tim. 8:17 "So that the man of God may be adequate for every good work " Being chosen is being prepared to work for God.
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Witnessing is not comfortable to some believers , God is not working them . When God does work, he appeals directly to the cerebellum and opens the believer to see what he wants. We have to be able to witness , and do so adequately. God will get you where you need to be. Adequate skill in each situation you happen to be in.
In Matt 24:14,This gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed through out the whole world as a testimony to all nation's , and then the end will come , fun at the beach, eating dinner , always be ready to explain it. Don't be ashamed of it, Rom.1:16 , 2Tim. 1:8 , Matt. 5:16. Matt.4:19, Isaiah 55:11, 1pet.3:15. The harvest Is plentiful but the workers are few.
Sometimes when I witness I get what I call a " Baptist. Flashback". I feel like I am back in the Baptist ways. Oh how i jump away from that. But it's true, those Baptist and Jehovah's witnesses they go door to door and spread the word as they understand it. Then you have the so called anointed church's who just condemn them all to hell.
"Matt 24:14,This gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed through out the whole world as a testimony to all nation's , and then the end will come"
What end are we talking about..........has not the kingdom been proclaimed in all the world?
The end of. Human civilization.
Quote from: ed on August 30, 2021, 05:18:23 AM
"Matt 24:14,This gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed through out the whole world as a testimony to all nation's , and then the end will come"
What end are we talking about..........has not the kingdom been proclaimed in all the world?
I don't think it's been preached in China, Russia, some of the Netherlands, parts of Africa and Asia.
Doesn't really fit with my theology on Book of Matthew. Everything in Matthew has come to pass.
Quote from: ed on August 30, 2021, 09:16:17 PM
Doesn't really fit with my theology on Book of Matthew. Everything in Matthew has come to pass.
One must consider which gospel has been preached around the world during this time. Christianity and Islam are the most popular, but they do not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Only preaching the real gospel worldwide can trigger the end.
Oh, now I see your reasoning. Christians don't like that they are preaching a false gospel. All the falseness, who can know they are right? I trust the Spirit, but I'm grown, not led about with every wind of doctrine.
Quote from: ed on August 31, 2021, 03:56:52 AM
Oh, now I see your reasoning. Christians don't like that they are preaching a false gospel. All the falseness, who can know they are right? I trust the Spirit, but I'm grown, not led about with every win
Christians don't know they are preaching a false gospel. Satan has spun a wide net of deception throughout history and Satan does not waste time trying to deceive what is already deceived. It is good thing then that you're grown and can see these incredible false doctrines. These doctrines must be tried by the spirit in you. And some of them are barbaric , like eternal hell punishing. A horrible doctrine , so we try the spirit it brings by the he spirit we have and God will lead us to travel this road with his serious help.
Just as he opened Adam , Moses, Abraham, the apostles and the brethren of those days , we too are still a part of that covenant. , and the Holy Spirit will build it's case with you,, because we need to know when we're right or wrong. God will appeal directly to your conscience understanding and increase it where necessary. God can get to you and teach you in various ways , even accessing the Cerebellum - parietal and frontal regions. God then combines that with spiritual knowledge. And the human is well equipped .
Quote from: ed on August 31, 2021, 03:56:52 AM
Oh, now I see your reasoning. Christians don't like that they are preaching a false gospel. All the falseness, who can know they are right? I trust the Spirit, but I'm grown, not led about with every wind of doctrine.
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Who can know they are right? A very fair question for those who hunger and thrist to be right , Christ has promised they will be filled with answers ,Matt.6;33 , Matt 5:6 . Those who hunger and thirst about this whole being right issue shall be filled with the right answers and right knowledge. And we're going to need that from God , his help is very essential in this area because of the horde's of evil flocking around this matter. When demons gather up on any spot or issue, they are ready to attack in overwhelming numbers. They have amasked with intentions of ripping apart any believer who is beginning to comprehend truth in these situations. They will kill you if they can. You are like a diamond in the desert of this world.
Demons tend to gang up on humans who are important , or they mass in troubled spots around the world. This is why the believe needs the whole armor of God. If we don't be careful they would sift us like wheat. Destroy our consciousness of God. They often employ doctrines of their own making , uniquely designed to get the believer in , and makes it even harder to escape. 1Tim.4:1," Now the spirit speaking expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith , giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devil's."
When a believer is boxed in that much , the demon doctrines he faces were created for his failure. He has become so weaker minded and lost his faith, he becomes a target. He starts to deny himself and a way is being molded into him. The demon drags him into self denial . Forbidding to marry and not to eat certain foods. They can have a false impression that they are pleasing to God by this attitude of self denial. Trying to be pleasing to God there is nothing any of us can do to earn favor with God. They want to perform, "what must we do to Perform the works of God? Jesus answer this is the work of God,that you believe in him whom he has sent.
Satan is always forging ahead to oppose what God plans to do. The list of demon doctrines is long , maybe I'll go into sometimes
I don't believe demons are actual beings. I don't believe angels are actual beings either. Demons are thoughts that are apposed to truth, they are lies in the mind, they can actually damage a mind. Casting out demons is replacing error with truth. Jesus who was the truth could cast out a demon possession because He proclaimed truth. Angels are messengers of God, they can come through people, doctrines, thoughts, directly from the Spirit in you. I got one the other day, "the goats are coming along".
Now this eternal torment I'm thinking has passed. They went through their eternal torment and Jesus did indeed separate the sheep from the goats. They were separated so that they could learn to not be goats with whatever type of correction they got from their own goatliness.
So, the goats are coming along, in every age, they are the same. The sheep enjoy eternal life, while the goats go through correction.
I believe the angels, demons and creatures created in heaven are literal and very real. But I just can't picture God and Christ having conversations with demons that are not real.. Satan was made the "god of this world." You don't get that title and your a ghost or some ether real thing. But salvation is not based on demonic belief. A believer can think exactly as you do and still be saved.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 01, 2021, 03:30:58 AM
But salvation is not based on demonic belief. A believer can think exactly as you do and still be saved.
Thanks Mickiel, I'm certainly not worried about my salvation, I don't have fear of eternity. I've been saying for years, Jesus does not care what you believe, He will work with you. You are awesome my friend.
Well but thank you very much. Oh how I wish i could one day that eternity does not scare me. That would be nice.. a good friend of mine says in the area of fear , that I am a spiritual sissy.
Good grief, that's cold and funny
I think Jesus does care what we believe , but not in the beginning of your belief, I think we could get away with that. As we mature more is required of us, because of his work with you. And we become more aware of the missing spots in our knowledge. I
remember the azael goats alagorys, they always threw me off.
This is a lot of knowledge we must absorb. We can't scratch the surface without God.. so God give a little here, then a little there, and teach us to lean on one another in unity over confusion. Peace.
There are a lot of things Jesus does not care about ,. Including our past, present And future sin. .. He pardons iniquities and retains not his anger forever and delights in mercy. In Micah 7;19, "He will turn again and pardon our sins and forgive our people. , He will once again turn and have compassion on us ,he will subdue our sins and will cast ALL of them into the depths of the sea". He knows that our way is not in us. The way of man is not in himself. It is not in man who walks to direct his steps. So God will give us a heart to know him.. , Jer. 24;6, Job 36:26. In Lam. 3:31 , For the Lord will not cast off
forever. This is our hope and heritage.
There are times and reasons that God and Jesus could careless about human meddling . In Isaiah 49:17," Before him all the nations Are as nothing , they are regarded by him as worthless and less than nothing." Wow,and that's the New Living Translation . You can know at times like this it's best to leave God alone.
The Douay- - Rheims bible renders it," All nation's before him they are counted to him as nothing and vanity."
The International standard version says We are as nothing and Chaos."
The Net bible says we are regarded as "Absolutely Nothing." So when God or Christ think like that, 1. There is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
2. Be happy they don't stay that way.
3. They do not like rebellious nation's.
So they will effect change and repairs.
God and Christ reject the sin in man, not mankind itself. Look at Titus 3:4-7After the kindness and love of God our savior appeared, not by works of righteousness we have done, but according to his Mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost, which shed on us abundantly trough Jesus Christ our savior, that being justified by his faith we should be made heirs according to the Hope of eternal life.
It is so clear here that salvation is a free gift of gratis, the pure kindness and mighty Mercy of God has washed us clean from sin by the blood of Christ which washed abundantly Jesus became the sin eater and our hope is now based on HIS faith.We are now heirs of eternity. This is gratis , a gift , how can we ecape if we neglect so great salvation? Oh the powers that be are swirling all around us , the calling of God is great , Romans 1: 1-7 we are called of Jesus Christ and serve him with our spirit.
Here is one characteristic of the coming called out church of God, the elect; Romans 1:8 First I thank my God trough Jesus Christ for you all , that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. The whole world will know who and where the true church of God is. There will be no guessing and identity confusion. Time will be spent boosting your motivation and morale, and the Holy Spirit will be put on surcharge.
In Matt.5:14 you are the light of the world ,a city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. This astounding imagery is vividly set forth the calling of the church of Christ as a visible society, no more secret squirrel. The purpose now is to be seen and heard. The zeal for your salvation now needs to grow to put you more out of yourself and In to public life. Our light must shine. The world's eyes will be on us.
Christ church should be a visible society and his called and chosen people need to be a part of that. Jesus is on point in his mission , salvation has come to the house of the world , Luke 19:9-10. "The Son of man is come to seek and to save that which is lost." John 6;44 brings into play another aspect of the this salvation blitz . Humans must be drawn first, so God fills up his called out ones in this manner. He draws many unto himself, Matt.22:,14" For many are called but few are chosen. They are called to serve , not to sit. They are called according to a purpose , Romans 8:28 , a purpose predestined to activate a spiritually dead world. Through which will come the harvest of the world.
Being chosen is indeed a great honor. How does a believer know they are chosen? I don't think it's an easy answer to that. In Matt.24:22 the course of human history is changed for the elect. So God and Christ Revere them. And are very protective of them. They will need humility and lots of it , knowing human nature and how it loves to become important. They will need to be a people who can show how God is. A person that can be admired spiritually. So the knowledge of how to know your chosen , best come from the one who choose you. I think that's the best way. Get it from the source.
The chosen are the tip of salvation , along with the New Testament churches during biblical times. If you ever wonder how you would have lived during those times, what kind of believer you would have been, God placed you in a time that would be best for you. He wanted you here. Are we more advanced than the old church? Well we should be, we ought to be, so are we? No doubt in many ways we are , knowledge has increased. My concern is our love for each other and our zeal for this great salvation. Rev.2:1-7 The Ephesians church embraced their salvation and loved Christ because he first loved them, 1John 4:19 ,Eph. 2:4. And they were attacked in that area. There is a passion in gratitude for this great salvation that spills over into one another. We face the same challenges in the 21st century. We must remain zealous for the truth. We cannot allow the frustration of false teaching overpower the love of Christ.
We live in a more crowded world today. It's just more of everything; more sin and evil, more peer pressure, more false teachings. So God's people now are not grouped together, we mostly live as individuals with long distance contacts. This can become weary to the believer, all the stresses that affect its core values of being close to someone of like mind is putting pressure on our minds. And Satan goes after that with impunity , to strip the power of your love and your peace of sound mind. 2Tim. 1:7. Because Satan himself fears our awesome gifts that God has given us. We just have to cling to Christ all the more ; we can do it, we were born to face these challenges of these times. Placed here to suffer and endure. So hold tight to your love of this truth, you are not out of place. Your a pillar in a great movement.
In this new movement we have fellowship with the Father, Christ and each other, 1John 1;3 , remember Satan burrows deep into the Feelings of the believer being alone in this way. He goes after the consciousness, which will hamper prayer and study, the believer has not much inspirational contact with fellow believers. The confirmation of learning new truths is affected , so the new believer is forced to fellowship with the Holy spirit , by design he is learning proper protocol under pressure, you always go to God. But it would be nice to have a friend to go to as well. In Matt. 18:19-20 we see the power in just two or three of us. Heb. 10;24-25. 1Thes.5:11 , so work on your being alone so much, create ways to fellowship. Your going to need it, Ecclesiastes 4:9-12. A threefold cord is not easily broken , means we need the strength of our brothers. Iron sharpens iron, Prov. 27:17. Acts 2:42, Gal. 6:2 , 1Pet. 3:8, and Romans 1:12.. These are mind guards, help for the conscious believer who meditates on his or her lives. So you get into the habit of praying without ceasing, 1Thess. 5;17.
Praying without ceasing does not mean constantly chanting like your a Hari Chrisna or some repetitive wailing on a wall. You begin your prayer and just never end it. Say your peice and leave it at that place until you start another conversation with God. Talk to God in any place, in any position your body is in, about any subject and let him know your lonely and would like that area of your calling addressed.
In Rev. 2:4 , "Nevertheless I have something against you , because you have left your first love." This also can mean turning away from the truth of the universal gospel of all being saved. That new truth must have been a great love to them, as it is to us now. It says"They left " their first love. Not that they stopped believing it, it was just brushed aside. Look in verse 5, Remember therefore from where you have fallen and repent and do"The first works". Using these expression's "First love , First works." I am impressed that it is the doctrine of universal salvation and love for the brethren that was first taught the way.
The latter part of vs.5 "Repent an do the first works ; or else I will come to you quickly and remove thy candlestick out of its place." Which may mean Jesus would blind them from the truth. The Ephesus church were doing this work , and could properly discern false prophets. But they had problems with evil people . But they had patience and laboured on. We most certainly need that ability to discern false prophets or teachers, their false teachings has to appear as truth and alluring; manipulating the mind of the believer. So we have to know where the dirt comes from.
Leaving their fist love in Rev.2:4, the message they heard from the beginning , that we should love one another, 1John 3:11, we know we have passed from death to life because we love or brothers. This love puts you into a different phase of growth and reality. You can see life where before you only saw death. You have moved into a slot , a very important space where you are now chosen and anointed . 1John 2:27,"But the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you , and to need not that any man teach you , but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, And is no lie, and even as it has taught you , you shall abide in him."
The anointing, or the in-depth power of the Holy Spirit , teaches you "ALL THINGS", and is being poured into your consciousness. But everything you need to know being given to you.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 06, 2021, 07:50:44 PM
Leaving their fist love in Rev.2:4, the message they heard from the beginning , that we should love one another, 1John 3:11, we know we have passed from death to life because we love or brothers. This love puts you into a different phase of growth and reality. You can see life where before you only saw death. You have moved into a slot , a very important space where you are now chosen and anointed . 1John 2:27,"But the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you , and to need not that any man teach you , but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, And is no lie, and even as it has taught you , you shall abide in him."
The anointing, or the in-depth power of the Holy Spirit , teaches you "ALL THINGS", and is being poured into your consciousness. But everything you need to know being given to you.
This is a wonderful thing for the believer, it bypass traditional ways and Is revolutionary in spiritual leaning, you need no human teacher. Wow, no human meddling between you and God, what a calling! This is a sign that God is aware that many of us are alone without much fellowship. So he feeds us directly. But please notice "Everything you need to know is being revealed to you." Now you will see more life, more salvation. You have a private connection with the Holy Spirit. And his fruit will come out of you.
I think it's difficult to know if you have the Holy Spirit. Notice John 1:33 "John said I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and "Remain" on him. The spirit remaining means it never left him again. This is how you know. The spirit will visit believers and inspire them , in those cases we can say the spirit is" With you", but it does not remain. This can deceive a believer into thinking the spirit is in them permanently , because of their strong desire. So I never say I have it, I just say it visits me. God wants us to respect and honor the truth, especially the truth about ourselves.
In John 1:33, it said John will see the Spirit descending and remaining on him. In vs 34 John said he saw and bare record that this is the Son of God. So the bible is using this event for very important reasons. That Spirit remaining solidified Jesus as the Son of God. Baptized with the Holy Spirit. Now baptism of the spirit is revealed to the people in scripture. John was baptizing with water up to this point, but now an important pivot Is taking place.
In Matt.3:11 spoke of Jesus baptizing with the Holy Ghost and fire! Mark 1:8 calls it baptism with the Holy Spirit.in vs 10 the Spirit descending is still the language being used. So is this how modern day believers must be baptized? With water and spirit?
Quote from: Mickiel on September 08, 2021, 12:44:28 AM
In Matt.3:11 spoke of Jesus baptizing with the Holy Ghost and fire! Mark 1:8 calls it baptism with the Holy Spirit.in vs 10 the Spirit descending is still the language being used. So is this how modern day believers must be baptized? With water and spirit?
There are no other ways listed in scripture to be baptized, except with water and spirit. Another believer can baptize you with water, but Jesus must baptize you with spirit. This is another way to know you have God's spirit, when he baptized you with it. Such an experience should have marked you memory and you should know exactly what happened and how. This is another reason I know I have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit, I would know something like that, never forget it and never lie about it. That would be a life changing eye opening experience , don't you think? Frozen into your memory banks.
Everywhere I have looked at the Holy Spirit being given, it comes down from heaven on its own and joins with the believer. Even in a large group setting like the book of Acts 2:1-4, it came from above , came to rest on each of them, until they all were filled with the spirit. So no human needs to baptize you to receive the Holy Spirit. These other gifts like speaking in tongues I really am unclear on, don't know what to think about them. So I don't worry about it.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 08, 2021, 01:59:04 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on September 08, 2021, 12:44:28 AM
In Matt.3:11 spoke of Jesus baptizing with the Holy Ghost and fire! Mark 1:8 calls it baptism with the Holy Spirit.in vs 10 the Spirit descending is still the language being used. So is this how modern day believers must be baptized? With water and spirit?
There are no other ways listed in scripture to be baptized, except with water and spirit. Another believer can baptize you with water, but Jesus must baptize you with spirit. This is another way to know you have God's spirit, when he baptized you with it. Such an experience should have marked you memory and you should know exactly what happened and how. This is another reason I know I have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit, I would know something like that, never forget it and never lie about it. That would be a life changing eye opening experience , don't you think? Frozen into your memory banks.
Everywhere I have looked at the Holy Spirit being given, it comes down from heaven on its own and joins with the believer. Even in a large group setting like the book of Acts 2:1-4, it came from above , came to rest on each of them, until they all were filled with the spirit. So no human needs to baptize you to receive the Holy Spirit. These other gifts like speaking in tongues I really am unclear on, don't know what to think about them. So I don't worry about it.
I know a few of us here view fire as a part of God, isn't it interesting that most descriptions of the giving of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:1-4 and the gift of tongues appeared as fire resting on them. Rather odd isn't it. Even more odd the effect of understanding other languages and ability to understand and speak those language's. And this fire sounded like a mighty rushing wind. This is just one recorded event of the giving of the spirit, each account I have read has always been dynamic. If this happens to any of us we ought know and remember. How then could the spirit be given without similar drama to you? Just asking.
The giving of the Holy Spirit Will at the least, be a dynamic event in your life, and the most important event. In Isaiah 11:2," And the spirit of the Lord shall rest on him , the spirit of wisdom and understanding , the spirit of counsel and might , the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. Look at the sourced out power being given here. Then in verse 3 it says it shall make you of quick understanding, Wisdom, and knowledge. Having knowledge pouring out of you like roots. And again it's source is from on high
. Isaiah 32:15. So the spirit has a destiny to swan dive down into your life.
You know those days that it seems like your prayers don't even get pass the ceiling , well on that great day in your life when the spirit swoops into you , you will never be the same
Quote from: Mickiel on September 08, 2021, 01:25:15 PM
The giving of the Holy Spirit Will at the least, be a dynamic event in your life, and the most important event. In Isaiah 11:2," And the spirit of the Lord shall rest on him , the spirit of wisdom and understanding , the spirit of counsel and might , the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. Look at the sourced out power being given here. Then in verse 3 it says it shall make you of quick understanding, Wisdom, and knowledge. Having knowledge pouring out of you like roots. And again it's source is from on high
. Isaiah 32:15. So the spirit has a destiny to swan dive down into your life.
You know those days that it seems like your prayers don't even get pass the ceiling , well on that great day in your life when the spirit swoops into you , you will never be the same.quote
Romans 5:5 knowledge will pour out of you and God's love will be poured into you. It will be something inside you and that was not there before. As in Eph.3:16 power through his spirit In Your inner being. Your consciousness will be renewed and remade. In John 14:26 the spirit will help you and teach you all things. That Spirit will bear witness with your spirit that you are a child of God. In Acts 1:8 being witness is again brought up, we will become witnesses after the spirit has come on you. I really think being a witness is very important and something God wants us to do. Come out of that selfish shell and share what God has done for you and explain this universal salvation. The world needs to know, whether they know It or not. The Holy Spirit has a mind,it knows what it is teaching you. Ask yourself if God would have something teach you that can't even think on its own. The Holy Spirit has a great mind, Romans 8:26-27 who knows what is the mind of the spirit? Our teacher and helper has a conscious mind , and is very powerful.
The internet is a marvelous place to witness spend a little time sharing this word. I am surprised at the believers who think the Holy Spirit is some kind of nebulous ghost with no mind, just power. The Holy Spirit knows your name, knows all you weaknesses , your strengths, your knowledge , your body your dreams and our prayers, it knows you better than yourself.
In Isaiah 44:3 God will pour out water on a thirsty land and pour out his spirit on your offspring. What a blessing for the children. Isn't it interesting that we will have water of life to drink in the Kingdom. In Rev.22:1 there is a river of this water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God. We need to drink water now to sustain life. So there is something more to water than we know. We will continue to drink it in the Kingdom.
So the Holy Spirit Is our teacher and helper , John 14:26. To teach us all things it must know all things. And know how to help humans. So in my view, my personal view , we can pray to the Holy spirit. I do. In 2Corinth. 13:14 we can have fellowship with the Spirit. The Holy Spirit will help us forever, John14:16.
Even the Holy Spirit will bear witness , John 15:26, bear witness about Christ and keep pointing us to Jesus. In John 14:26 the spirit is our counselor in our memories . Remind us of Christ teachings... A great source of Revelation , wisdom and power. It opens our eyes to the Hope of salvation , the disciples were told to use that power to witness , Acts 1:8. The holy spirit is called the "Spirit of truth" and brings confidence to our salvation. I need that from God. I want to walk boldly in my belief, nothing wavering. So sometimes I wrestle with God in prayer. Pleading my case, while asking Christ and the Holy Spirit to help me get the Father to answer. I get so lonely at times, no one who knows this way to fellowship with face to face. No like minded belief.
But I keep it moving and keep praying for strength. This is a perculiar way of life , a struggle and a study in suffering. I ask your prayers.
Christ will help the holy spirit and work alongside of it, this is called "Parakletos",one called outside to help.It can be translated "Advocate" ,1John 2:1. Christ is the believers Paraclete with the Father when they sin. Christ advocacy is maintained by his righteousness, and has stretched out his universal coverage and atonement to the Fathers good will for our sins , and not cover just believers only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Jesus averts the wrath of God by offering himself. And the Father is satisfied with that sacrifice. That satisfaction is what propitiation means. God's wrath burned out on the cross. It also revealed on a grand scale the stunning mercy seat of God. With Christ sacrifice coupled with the Father's mercy and love and supreme grace, human salvation is a done deal destined to never fail any of us. We are more than saved. Christ became our substitute and assumed our obligations he expiated our guilt..Covered it by the vicious punishment he endured. So Jesus stretched atonement way pass forgiveness by not just covering our sin up, but achieved the actual putting away of sin. It's total elimination.
1John 2:1-2. Christ promised not to orphan us, but to comfort us.So were going to need some kind of connection with the the Father and that happens to be the eternal efficacy of his own son's sacrifice. Now God has sanctioned stunning access to himself , now we can confess our sins an he will be faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. We are systematically being included in the process , not excluded. We can sit at the justification table where we are considered righteous through the work of Jesus. God considers sanctification to be transformation of a believers whole being. God and Christ are doing so much for us behind the scenes , a great mass movement of humans from the state of sin to the state of grace is being prepped.
The Lord undetands my fear of eternity and he pities those who fear him, Psalms 103:13-14. He remembers we are dust. Ps.31:19 , goodness is laid up for those who fear thee. Unbelievers and sinners will be taught his way, he will teach them, Ps.,25:8. Gods goodness will lead them to repentance , Romans 2:4. These principles need to be rehearsed in our concious minds, Romans 12:2 , our thinking transformed by the renewing of our minds. So we cannot think in the same old veins. We have to rid ourselves of old covenant ways. Let your consciousness travel down roads that were closed to you before. Open your heart to God's guidance.
You have to travel down roads that you would not before. Like praying to the Holy Spirit , I did not ever do that before.i thought it was a no no. But look at Romans 8:26-27 the spirit helps our weakness , when we don't know how to pray , or get stuck on words , the holy spirit takes over and prays for us , it searches our hearts . And look , he who searches the hearts that knows what "The mind of the spirit is". The spirit has a mind and if it talks to God for us, why couldn't we talk to it? He intercedes for the saints. Hey that's relationship , it's power in our lap Eph. 6:18-20, "Pray at all times in the spirit".
Prayers can be offered to the Father and Jesus, but the bible shows nowhere praying to the spirit, Which is why I say it's a road I choose to travel. I don't see anything wrong with talking to something that's leading me and being my guide.
Again God knows the mind of the spirit, Romans 8:26-27 , and the spirit knows our minds , even when we don't know how to think and pray. I often ask the spirit to explain myself to the Father. All things will work together in our prayers, were getting a lot of help. This is for the saints. In Col. 4:2,"Devote yourselves to prayer, being watchful and thankul.Blessings are granted through the prayers of many, 2Corith. 1:11. And God likes unselfish prayer 1Tim. 2:1-2 I urge then first of all that petitions , prayers , intercession, and thanksgiving be made for all people.The scope is universal. The Power In our lap and knees is stunning , John 14:3 Whatever you ask In my name I will do. That's power right there in you. On you. And it's to be shared with all people.
We should always pray and not lose heart, Luke 18:1 , not lose the emotions in our praying,, the love ,the pity, the goodness, the forgiveness in our plea for others. The holy spirit helps us keep a tight web of prayerful resources in our unity of spirit. Your going to realize one day that awesome power in your lap. Jeremiah 33:3, "Call to me and I will answer you ,and will tell you great and hidden things that you have not known. So the holy spirit spearheads a mobility and of active monolith of prayers by the thousands of people and is able to save those people to the uttermost.
God is trying to stir up one another to love and good works , In Psalms 18:6 In my distress I called upon the Lord to my God I cried for help ,( this is what the holy spirit does for us), from his temple he heard my voice and my cry to him reached his ears. The prayer got through. Among who knows how many other thousands the spirit interceded for you.
To pray and not lose heart, as if the prayer will not be answered. Or feeling that you prayed for the wrong thing. Clear conscious of how the spirit works would lay those fears to rest. A whole lot is at stake here, God is saying he will give us whatever we ask .
Hey man get your shopping list out, or better yet make a new one.
But of course we want to pray and ask for the right things. Some things have been on my list for years, like being given God's spirit, I been asking for that over 40 years now, and will keep asking for it. We can pray for our spiritual and physical needs. Pray for mates, jobs , fruit of the spirit ,a keen awareness of how to think spiritual and apply things spiritual. A love for God and to know him. It's a smorgasbord of things to pray for daily. And we have a God that cares for each and every thing we need.
When you have cancer that takes up a lot of prayer time. I have a friend who is a pastor, she has an upstairs small attic closet that she crawls into to pray. You can't even stand up in there , it's so small. But that puts her in the mood she says.
One thing I pray for daily is the salvation of all. I think of all kinds of ways to pray about it. Universal salvation
:iagree: I agree with it. I love it. It is very close to my heart. In 1Tim.2:1-3 I encourage that prayers and intercession be made for all men. This is good in the sight of God, so God has his sights on this. We pray for all men because all men are saved and most must live without knowing it. So they need our help, our prayers. And an encouraging word or two when possible. I want a heart that loves people and salvation. IF God did me like he did Solomon, that's what I would ask for.
The fight is basically between salvation and hell. These two giants In history. Diametrically opposed to one another as fates of humanity. Jesus said in Matt. 16:18 that he will build a church that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. If history has shown us anything it's that Satan sure is trying to tear the church down. By any means necessary. And some of us who knows he's doing it ,are standing by like a frozen popsicle and just watching him do it. As if there is no lines drawn between this. These believers feel powerless to help because they are convinced only God can. This is a stragit move by satan to keep God's people out of the fight.
Just in speculation if I were playing chess with Satan for the church being it's prize to the winner. My first line of defense would be the "Prayer pawns". They would be assigned to pray without ceasing ,for church survival and unity. They must constantly ask God, Christ and the Holy Spirit for help. The rest of the body must support them because they will get the brunt of the attacking hordes of demons. These are t
Quote from: Mickiel on September 11, 2021, 07:21:21 PM
The fight is basically between salvation and hell. These two giants In history. Diametrically opposed to one another as fates of humanity. Jesus said in Matt. 16:18 that he will build a church that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. If history has shown us anything it's that Satan sure is trying to tear the church down. By any means necessary. And some of us who knows he's doing it ,are standing by like a frozen popsicle and just watching him do it. As if there is no lines drawn between this. These believers feel powerless to help because they are convinced only God can. This is a stragit move by satan to keep God's people out of the fight.
These are they that Satan wants to turn back, Paul hints that they could be turned back in Hebrews 6:4-8 In John 6:39 Jesus said it's the will of God that he should not lose even one. John 18:9. We also use in our defense John 17:2 , Jesus is given power over all flesh and the power to just give them eternal life. This literally supercharges the pawns, the saints. What an incredible first line of defense.
Ahh but the game is only beginning.
For Satan to get at salvation he knows he must enter and disturb the church. Salvation is represented by both competing Kings. The devil chooses to attack believer consciousness first with his pawns.. And it has devastating effect, 2Thess.2:2" That you be not soon shaken in mind , or be troubled 😟, neither by spirit , nor by word , nor by letter as from us , as that day of Christ is at hand."is They shook up the Thessalonian church with just words.. They had them confused. They were so unsteady they even had trouble reading Paul's letters to them. So Satan has some crafty moves. He wants to move the attack forward where he can infect women and children. He wants to infect and destroy the whole minds of men. Isaiah 1:5 "The whole head is sick and the whole heart faint."Satan wants to push them back , backsliders. So the church must unify the their ranks . Although a small church we have the greater power. The power of God
In Matt.4:1-11 Jesus is placed in check by Satan. Jesus takes pawn, by not breaking his fast fo food . Jesus grabs another bishop by not allowing Satan to test his relationship with God. Jesus places Satan into check mate. Refusing to accept any of his gifts. So really the game is over , salvation is a done deal , it's been made a free gift. So the front door to the salvation of all is wide open , now all Satan can do is sneak into the distorted back door of religions.
Satan has to formulate a counterfeit strong delusionary gospel of a burning hell fire to just stay in the mood from his lost. He very skillfully has. He's jumped all on salvation like a rabid dog gone mad , a worthy adversary. Because our salvation is so strong he has to water it down.
Satan has thrown a lot of false gospels into the mix. Religious gospels, Moralism gospels, prosperity gospels , self help gospels, signs and wonders gospels, Therapeutic gospel , and American gospel. The more merrier . There are even Social injustice gospels. The true gospel is coming kingdom And his free gift to all. Made possible by
The sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Is this even something that satan can distort? He certainly can collapse these truths. But as the coming church The Holy Spirit will have them ready. There are dozens of false gospels, each created to confuse even our scope of things. Iron sharpens iron, so we need to sharpen our conscious awareness. And learn new love for new people newly called.
Stay in touch , communicate with them. Take their hand and walk with them. It's nothing like "Being with well rounded anointed believers ". We can do these things? Be guided in.
The. Battle is classic. , Good verses evil , salvation verse's hell.which one has the most impact. The debate over unconditional election is not that God elects or predestines people to salvation, but why? Well it seems it's based on , God's sovereign choice to save them. By his grace alone we are safe.
In further speculating what if your city had to battle satan I live in Atlanta, let's use it as an example. Let's guess and say God has called maybe 1000 believers there. The population here is 5,911,000. We're far out numbered for sure. And I seriously doubt that the numbers would change in any other city. This is why we need the spirit for motivation to coexist.
I feel so sad for people who are scared of hell, I have never seen a demonic doctrine holding so much power to damage believers or potential believers. Jesus came to save men's lives, not destroy them.Luke ,,9:56 And he's going to show them their salvation , Luke 3:6.!
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I feel so sad for people who are scared of hell, I have never seen a demonic doctrine holding so much power to damage believers or potential believers. Jesus came to save men's lives, not destroy them.Luke ,,9:56 And he's going to show them their salvation , Luke 3:6.!
You can tell by human reactions to hell that most people just want to survive and be secure in the future. So people are just latching on to a hope they can get.
You can look at the big lie that Trump is spreading and how so many believe him that the election was a
Rigged plan. Eternal hell is a lie that has been told for many,many years and people just believe it.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 15, 2021, 01:17:33 AM. Eternal hell is a lie that has been told for many,many years and people just believe it.
Many question, praise God.
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And he's going to show them their salvation
Bottom line.
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And he's going to show them their salvation
Bottom line.
God knows how to heal fears, Psalms 91:16,"With long life I will satisfy him, and show him my salvation." God will both lead them , teach them the ways and means of his salvation. In Isaiah 12:2, "Behold , God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid." So God slowly works with baffled believers and teaches them way of salvation, in the Roman era believers called themselves '. The Way". The healing way for everyone. The disciples loved this way , and many of them lost that first love. And some just outright left this first love, Rev.2:4 , 1John 3:11.
God gave them that first love and understanding. That's why it was so strong , so as to start churches in major city's. So the bottom line is a working awareness of the true salvation. God will free them from the stain of guilt and a heavy consciousness unto the freedom that is in Christ. satan finds this difficult to disrupt, the
Believer forces him to a different route, which is what we want, Satan on the run , and the believer getting out of trouble, Psalms 138:7,"Though I walk in the midst of trouble, you will revive me". Your hand will save me.
This is making a big bank deposit and the account will never close. We can freely rejoice in the God of our salvation.
Look at this closer in Psalms 138:7, I am in trouble , you will revive me. Another bottom line is that sin will get you in trouble. Sin will confuse you, it can deceived you, in it can drain you to dry. It's drive is so hard, it can make you do all these things to yourself. It can cover your consciousness like a thick blanket so you cannot see God. Satan looks to block or sever the connection with God and Christ. He will drown you by snatching you and taking you deep into the waters of true knowledge you have walked away from.
Choke that knowledge and rip it from you. When he throws you back to dry land, not being allowed to kill you at that time, he looks to render you helpless to others. He leaves you there like a dead fish , not realizing that is the kind of fish, or sheep, that Christ is searching for. Luke 19:10 Jesus said he came to seek and save that which was lost. We all are lost, Romans 3:23, we all need salvation, universal salvation is then academic
He
Quote from: Mickiel on September 15, 2021, 10:20:54 AM
Look at this closer in Psalms 138:7, I am in trouble , you will revive me. Another bottom line is that sin will get you in trouble. Sin will confuse you, it can deceived you, in it can drain you to dry. It's drive is so hard, it can make you do all these things to yourself. It can cover your consciousness like a thick blanket so you cannot see God. Satan looks to block or sever the connection with God and Christ. He will drown you by snatching you and taking you deep into the waters of true knowledge you have walked away from.
Choke that knowledge and rip it from you. When he throws you back to dry land, not being allowed to kill you at that time, he looks to render you helpless to others. He leaves you there like a dead fish , not realizing that is the kind of fish, or sheep, that Christ is searching for. Luke 19:10 Jesus said he came to seek and save that which was lost. We all are lost, Romans 3:23, we all need salvation, universal salvation is then academic.
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To spread it ,to have it but not to hold it. To accept it. To Bear witness to it. In Hosea 3:6," My people are
"Destroyed" for lack of knowledge, the state of being without or not having enough of it. A tragic story of not accepting certain knowledge , yet because of rejecting true knowledge God said he will reject you. Nobody wants to be ejected by God , so we need to get caught up in this and struggle with it especially with our memory . In the later part of verse 6, God laments that seeing you have forgotten his law , he will forget your
children. Nobody in their right mind would want their children forgotten. So we need to pray for good spiritual memory. In Rev. 2:4 remember how the church at Ephesus "Left", their first love. Both the new truths they were leaning and I believe the universal applications of them. A universal remedy for an entire world of sinners and unbelievers. When a believer learns these two aspects of the spiritual law , they are filled with great joy. God will not reject what he has already accepted., And he is able to keep you from falling, " and present you faultless in his mighty presence.
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Quote from: Mickiel on September 13, 2021, 12:16:00 AM
And he's going to show them their salvation
Bottom line.
God knows how to heal fears
Amen
In Psalms 23:4 , Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for you are with me, your rod and staff they comfort me. These are weapons , the Lord is my light and salvation , Psalms 27:1. God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self control. A well rounded person will be the result of this tribulation. Cut from a rough rag ready to help self and others.
The Lord is the stronghold of our lives , that Is the foundation you want to have.
HIS love NEVER fails.
Unfortunately the finite cannot fully grasp the infinite.
The true definition of love removes the fear of rejection.
Thanks to Jesus we are children of God- not slaves.
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HIS love NEVER fails.
Unfortunately the finite cannot fully grasp the infinite.
The true definition of love removes the fear of rejection.
Thanks to Jesus we are children of God- not slaves.
You can make it through the valley of death , not to fear because God is with us .He will comfort us all. Yet even when we might have reasons to be afraid, we do not need to fear , he will take care of us. Like a Shepherd, he knows what he is doing and has our best interest in mind.He will protect us and take care of us. Like a good shepherd. He knows our needs.
At times hell motivates itself , which is one reasons it's so powerfull. . Like a giant snowball rolling down hill , it's picking people up as it rolls through history. Humanity has been targeted and Satan and his demons are protecting this movement. They are streaming people , churches, and groups. Always offering the religion's more incentive rewards.
In Matt.16:18 Jesus said he will build his church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The word "church," means the called out ones. Called out of the world by Christ. Back then the gates of hell was associated with the gates of hades or the realm of the dead. This just naturally blew fear into people , but Jesus prophecy also included that hell and death has no power to hold God's people captive . The Lord had conquered death, Rom.8:2, 6:9, and Acts 2:24. Satan knows that he can not really win, but he also knows he can cause confusion and corruption , which he loves doing anyway. He can make things appear to be, that are not. Twist the truth and send out illusion after illusion. People who built their belief on shaky ground are easily up rooted. So the question now is the church on defense or offence?
Well with websites like Tentmaker the church is on the offence. We're not waiting to be attacked. I have no church anywhere near me that I know of, but I pray for God's people where ever they may be scattered about. Our view of salvation is from the bottom up, heavens view is from the top down. We must view salvation In Weakness , the progenitors of salvation view it from dazzling strength. God knows were really helpless without him. It's no telling what's going on in the spirit world as Satan's wrath roars over his defeat , Jesus made quick work out of Satan. And he was in a weakened state of flesh when he crushed him.
Salvation trump's hell in reality. It has already won the battle it's just being played out. Satan knows this all to well, he's just being spiteful and hateful, because that's how he is. He is very jealous of us because he feels he should be treated like we are. He wants human worship and loves human suffering.In Job 1:12 God grants access to Job. Satan immediately kills all the servants and the sheep. Then he kills all of Jobs children. He did this out of pure evil.
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Salvation trump's hell in reality. It has already won the battle it's just being played out. Satan knows this all to well, he's just being spiteful and hateful, because that's how he is. He is very jealous of us because he feels he should be treated like we are. He wants human worship and loves human suffering.In Job 1:12 God grants access to Job. Satan immediately kills all the servants and the sheep. Then he kills all of Jobs children. He did this out of pure evil.
The battle of salvation versus hell is really an illusion: it's a mismatched precorded fight. In James 2:13 is a very important biblical lesson "Mercy triumphs over judgment. ". Or one could say mercy rejoices over judgement. Mercy is a joy of God. Mercy and salvation fuel the warplanes of our attack on evil unleashed. We swoop in and drop the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation , Romans 1:16. This is why we should help in this battle, do what we can. In Romans 1 :18 ", For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men," Who "HOLD" the truth in unrighteousness." Holding it to themselves among themselves. Holding this great power to themselves. The truth is a two edged sword, it's fine to hold on to it if spreading it is a bit much to you, there is no condemnation for holding it . It just required from those who God equips with the ability. In Romans 1: 19,"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them ; for God has showed it to them." Vs.20" For the invisible things of him from creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they ( who are able to see this), are then without excuse" . There is absolutely no excuse for a gifted believer who knows and understand this reality breaking news shown to you, and you then share it with no one.
Salvation then is not a meal always meant to eat alone. Share the meal sometimes , it's good eating . If you buy into what I been saying , what the scriptures have been saying , your then on your way to more important moves on Christ chess board. Now your a more diverse piece and you should see the board better now. Yes God and Christ will make some important moves that we cannot make, but we got to get on that board and be available.
Look at what he has done to get us on board, Romans 5::6, 8, 10 and 12. While we were sinning Christ died for us. So that we might live, oh praise his name , he loves us all. If your buying in then self has to die and a newly motivated believer is spawned. This is either the end time board , or the beginning of it, I don't know. But the church of this age has a lot of weight and luggage. This church has to work harder , see more , understand more , so we can do more. The harvest is humongous but the labourers few.
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In Matt.9:37: When Jesus saw the crowds he had compassion for them , they were like sheep without a Sheppard. Then he said to his disciples" The harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few." Pray earnestly to the Lord for laborers out into the harvest. There's just not that many believers who will go into the field. The bible even ask us to pray for witnesses to testify for Christ salvation. In 1Corith. 3:6," I planted, Apollo's watered but God gave the increase.Even though it was God giving the growth , they still got involved.
Please forgive me, inactive believers is an irritant of mine.
The harvest of the world is salvation. In Rev.14:15 the harvest of the world has come , the harvest of the world is fully ripe. Salvation is fully ripe, ready to be pulled out of bondage. :banana: Godspeed that great day.
Salvation is liberation from sin and it's consequences. We are Sanctified by Gods grace and his love infused into Christ , who in turn gave his life to seal the sanctification in the vaults of heaven. Where Satan cannot reach it or spoil it. Now the love motif remains fresh and unspotted from the world. Now Jesus stands accused in our behalf. Jesus is now in position to redeem us from our sin . The passion of Christ was sufficient and superabundant , his passion was a type of ransom that paid the cost of freeing humanity from all obligations, especially those obligations created by human religions. Justification is a true removal of sins, not merely having one's sin ignored , the sins are disposed of and the sinner wiped clean.
Justification and grace are combined to make sure the sinner is covered. They are not ritual and social obligations, it's more like a covenant between God and Christ, and nothing comes between those two that can alter the path of salvation. It's atonement and it releases the hooks of sin on humanity. Jesus stands In all gaps , Act 4:12, John 3:17. God sent Jesus to save the" World", 1John 4:14,"We have seen and do testify,( again they are bearing witness ), that the Father sent the Son to be the savior of the world". This then is worldwide salvation.. It's also why many find it hard to believe. Though salvation we get a peak at God's heart.
I am reminded of the joke about the young horse and the old mayor horse, they were standing at the top of a hill overlooking a valley they was full of young female mayor's. Excited and happy the young mayor says to the old horse,"Hurry , let's go down and get one for our wife. The old mayor said "No son , let's take our time , go down and get them All."
Salvation is a get them all plan.
Satan will try to take salvation from you, he Is a thief and a liar. The believers now have it especially difficult because this is one of the those seasons where it seems God is hiding himself. An he does hide himself. Deut.31:17-8, Micah 3:4, Isaiah 54:8 , Ps. 10:11, Isaiah 8:17, Ps.89:46. At times we want God to hide himself from our sins , Ps.51:9. So when God hides himself , he is withdrawing , an Satan looks to take advantage of that and steps up his forward pace. Satan gathers his powers and ramps up his deceptions. He fuels up his demons and goes directly at God's church or anything resembling the church, and he is looking to rip apart any stray church members walking alone. This is just one reason it's always good if you have fellowship with other believers. Just the term "Fellowship", is mentioned in scripture 17 times , in one meaning or another. I have seen higher estimates.
We in this age face a formidable Satan. He has had time to hone his crafty skills, he has more people deceived than he ever has. He is called the god of this world in 2Cornth. 4:4. Very skilled at blinding believers. Satan is a serious enemy whose aim is to kill, steal and destroy. John 10:10. He was created to destroy , Isaiah 54:16. So if he gets you down he will beat on you and trap you to prevent you from escapes. To inflict ruin in you and your seed. Rev. 12:17, " Satan went to make war with the remnant of her seed." Angry at being defeated. He is then is wild and nuclear , unclean and very hateful.
So we have to be diligent , read Eph.6:10 - 17. We must face principalities - meaning Satan is a prince, against dark powers and spiritual wickedness in high places. We have it so bad that scripture advises us to put on armour provided by God. This is war. The bible calls it "Spiritual wickedness". So this is spiritual. We then battle on two fields , physical and spiritual.
Satan does have unique powers, spiritually blinding people from the truth is a favorite rage of his . 2 Corinth.3:3-4," For if our gospel be hid, it is his to those who are lost." In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not . Though they be lost and turned out, Jesus can change that, in Luke 19:10 The Son of man came to seek and save that which was lost . So for anyone who is considered lost, they are only lost temporary until Christ gets to them and their awareness to understand that they were never really lost, just deceived.
In Phil.3:21,"Who shall change our vile body , that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body , according to the working whereby he is able to subdue all things to himself." So many humans have to be helped through being subdued by Christ , he removes the blindness and begins all changes the human will need to be transformed into a believer, the scales will be removed from their eyes. Now they will be helped to forget those things which are behind, and reach toward the future , and press on to the prize of the high calling of God in Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 12:2, Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Our complete cycle of this salvation of being set free. Every weight will be set aside for us to now run with patience the race that is set before us. Now salvation can work on their conscious and the light can begin to shine on their lives.?
Salvation is a given, and , at the bottom line , humans have no choice in the matter. God is not going to allow humans to be stupid enough to reject him. We see this in hints from other scripture. Like John 12:32 Jesus said if he be lifted up, he will draw all men to him. The term"Draw" here comes from the term "Helko" which means to drag. Jesus is really revealing force being used to bring repentance to some. Isaiah 55:11, 45:23 God has vowed that to him every knee shall bow and every mouth shall confess to him. More indication of force being used to convert men if needed. Helko, taken from the Greek means to pull people with a Irresistible force. Free will has absolutely nothing to do with it. We all get drafted.it is used again in John 6:44, Jeremiah 31:3, Song of Solomon 1:4, James 2:6, Acts 16:19, 21:30, all mean to compel. To tug even.
We each have a civil right to salvation. And the black church helped that civility change some biblical themes.like the illusion that Jesus was a European white man or that God is white and the lie that there is no Black representation in the bible. All flesh shall see the revealed Lord. This civil salvation knows that God created all people from one man. And God was an extremist for love , truth and goodness, all inner powers of salvation. The bible was central to the energy of the civil rights movement. All races are represented by the Holy Spirit and included.
Civil rights are a matter of justice. So salvation must appeal to all races , and cris cross the panarama of the concepts such as love , peace, long suffering , goodness and kindness, mercy and divine pardon . These principles uphold salvation , but they must appeal to believers in their personal lives. Transgenders ,gays, killers , all need salvation. And the white supremecy that dug very deeply into this fight with Satan ,
The white evangelical Protestants and the white Catholics who are believers need help , because the more racist attitudes a person holds, the more likey he or she identify as a white Christian. America's founders studied the bible. Psalms 19:7, The law of The Lord is perfect, converting the soul. This is how many will be converted. So all races will need a reconning.
The white race has done a lot to help many people searching for God. It's just no doubt about that. But even in helping God laments if my people Which are called by my name shall humble themselves , and pray and turn from their wicked way and seek my face, then will I hear from heaven and forgive their sin , and heal their land. The white race needs humility from God, when you have done a lot, a lot then is required from you.
We need to keep salvation as a free gift for all races ,, because Satan can really use racism like a professional and spoil the water of unity.. He goes after pastors real hard in this area. Salvation is an inherited bowl of peace , a live love offering from God himself. Salvation is a great house and each human has a reserved room by Inheritance. We all will be in educational situations for some time in the kingdom.
With my fear of eternity I have seen pictures of many planet surfaces, and they always seem to have these giant holes and indications of damage to their surfaces. Like an old war was fought there. A war of great power that blasted some of these planets. Perhaps some kind of angelic war? A war so powerfull that it killed a lot of these planets. The bible does speak of it's possible event. Some of those planets look like they been bombed.
He has saved us and called us to a holy life , not because of anything we have done, but because of his own Purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.2 Tim.1:9. So our salvation originates in eternity because we must go back pass the beginning of time to trace it. The motivation behind salvation is purpose and grace.To understand the purpose the earth has to be viewed as a giant incubator and humanity placed inside of it to suffer growing pains. But grow and develop are it's purpose and our message is one of reconciliation. Our citizenship is in heaven.
He saved us out of his own Purpose and grace. And he placed us into the earth , the incubator, for his own Purpose. Isaiah 48:10-11" I have chosen you in the furnace of addiction. Vs.11 , For mine own sake , even my own sake will I do it. For his own sake, or for his own reasons. This is God keeping salvation as something he has done, keeping it separately from human involvement . Salvation was designed by God for humanity. It was not designed to be a survival of the fittest program. It is not a choice designed for human will response. Salvation is something God takes personal.
Salvation is about life, it is the spirit who gives life , the flesh profits nothing. In John 6:63 the words I speak to you are spirit and they are life. The message of the cross is the salvation power of God. Salvation is our destiny.1 Thess. 5:9, For God has not destined us for wrath , but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. That grace has appeared , bringing salvation to all men. And salvation brings with it many truths, Heb.6:9 ,"But beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you , and things that accompany salvation. The things that accompany salvation are as old as time , great wisdom and a well of knowledge.
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Salvation is about life, it is the spirit who gives life , the flesh profits nothing. In John 6:63 the words I speak to you are spirit and they are life. The message of the cross is the salvation power of God. Salvation is our destiny.1 Thess. 5:9, For God has not destined us for wrath , but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. That grace has appeared , bringing salvation to all men. And salvation brings with it many truths, Heb.6:9 ,"But beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you , and things that accompany salvation. The things that accompany salvation are as old as time , great wisdom and a well of knowledge.
Remember salvation originates in eternity. Before humanity existed , so the things that accompany it should be formidable.
Wisdom should be on the list that accompany salvation. Certainly history is with salvation.
When we discuss the things of God , we have to be careful because he is surrounded by life. Nearly everything around him is alive. The water , the fire , the trees; their living things.
Divine election is unconditional ,solely by God's gracious choice and not based upon anything the election Would do , or on anything else ( their qualities , their characters, decisions or actions ) in contrast to others.God made the choice according to his own will and own pleasure. God chose this path this way before the foundation of the world. And in this only true version of Salvation,God ordained that all things work together for our good. Romans 8:28.
In a world of sin few would be saved to this life , therefore God predestines unto salvation the elect. He grabs them first and will retrieve the rest later. God is long suffering toward us and has not willed that any should perish.
So God and Christ are still working together on the branches of salvation, they are finished with the base of the tree. As sinners and unbelievers start walking out on those branches , lost in the bush and wreckless, God has at least got them in the tree. Predestined us to adoption as Sons , Romans 9:11, Eph.1:4-5 for all to understand that there is no partiality with God., 1pet. 1:17.
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Divine election is unconditional ,solely by God's gracious choice.
The nutshell.
Romans 9;11,12a " For even before they were born or had done anything good or bad,
so that God's purpose might stand according to election,
not because of works,
but because of His call, "
The problem of works being required to earn salvation was demonstrated by Israel.
Romans 9;31,32 " But Israel, even though it pursued a law that would produce righteousness, did not attain it.
Why not?
Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it was by works."
Romans 10;3 " For ignoring the righteousness that comes from God,
and seeking to establish their own ,
they did not submit to God's righteousness."
Sounds remarkably like many of the churches today have that same problem; trying to establish our own righteousness by our faith,
and totally over-riding the faith of Christ and His graceful plan for ALL.
Yes many churches today do have that evangelical ego in Rom. 10:3. Their leadership knows that they have the membership under the their control. They go out and building mega churches and call that their works. Their egos are bigger than the churches. Some of God's churches have gone through the this. And yes Israel was a good example of stubborn self righteousness. Being the chosen nation just went to their heads. Even though God can and has done wonders for people , even goodness can be hard to handle. So these leaders start power grabbing churches , one powerful pastor anoints another and they establish churches and link to each other. Any leader not agreeing is pushed out. So the Kingdom in heaven watches in horror as the Kingdom is suffering violently and these violent leaders take everything by force.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 22, 2021, 06:59:34 PM
Yes many churches today do have that evangelical ego in Rom. 10:3. Their leadership knows that they have the membership under the their control. They go out and building mega churches and call that their works. Their egos are bigger than the churches. Some of God's churches have gone through the this. And yes Israel was a good example of stubborn self righteousness. Being the chosen nation just went to their heads. Even though God can and has done wonders for people , even goodness can be hard to handle. So these leaders start power grabbing churches , one powerful pastor anoints another and they establish churches and link to each other. Any leader not agreeing is pushed out. So the Kingdom in heaven watches in horror as the Kingdom is suffering violently and these violent leaders take everything by force.
To take the Kingdom by violence is when the members are spiritually abused. When the leaders use spiritual or religious beliefs to hurt , scare or control you. It is spiritual aggression. In Matt.11:12 from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence and violent people have been raiding it. A right understanding of the Kingdom has been attacked. These people stalking it are not entering it, they are taking it, as in stealing. And some of them are unbelievers. During Christ earthly ministry , there is a campaign of intimidation , oppression and other persecution.. Israel's little flock is suffering for following Jesus and being intimadated into leaving Jesus or not joining him at all . John is imprisoned and killed, in a year or so Jesus will be killed. This leads us to the violent taking the kingdom of heaven by force. Or as in Matt.21:38 they hunt down the heirs , kill them and seize their inheritance. The religious leaders Really wanted Christ dead and gone, he could be no king of Israel.
Their violent men of eager , impetuous zeal who grasp the kingdom of heaven , it's peace, pardon and blessedness , like the Pharisees and Sadducees ,publicans , harlots and Gentile sinners. The grasp of Jesus preaching was taking the words to a premature attempt to bring in the Kingdom by a false way as a political creation. They grasp it for themselves. Like rough and violent bandits seizing their prey. They seize upon the Kingdom , drag it to themselves and make it their own. It's like a small group being pushed aside who actually hold the truth, to a much larger movement or church that's now getting all the press. This sad illusion started back then and continues to this day. The truth is violently taken over, its power perverted and trashed. Only to be replaced with ignorant doctrines that no longer even resemble the truth.
Perhaps the most violence the Kingdom has suffered is to have it's beautiful message of the salvation of all, violently mixed and graphed into the doctrine of eternal hell punishing. That assault is a crippling of the good news of grace, and an insult to the integrity of God. It just strips away so much truth.
The kingdom of God is worth persuing , Matthew 6:33 seek you first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. Take the kingdom by peace and love and seek it first and it's righteousness , and all it's benefit's shall be added to you. This is asking for commitment that will straighten you out and put you on track. It's assuring you will be protected and lack nothing. The kingdom is to be desired and admired. Pursuing the kingdom means we become a work in progress. God's righteousness becomes our beacon of light to guide us through all things.
Seeking the kingdom first is trying to get you moving toward God , and spiritual things , you know, get you out of the mudd and walking on better ground. Making it harder for Satan to trip you up. When we seek God's Kingdom first we put him on our minds the first thing every morning. It becomes habitual to pray a lot and walk to God each step we take. Seeking God first means you look for what the kingdom has to do with whatever you are going through. Seeking God's righteousness is giving him glory for how you live. You lean on him and experience his righteousness becoming your own.
The 23rd chapter of Psalms is seeking first the kingdom. The Lord is our Shepard , our leader, and we shall not want; all our needs shall be added to us. We will have our basic needs. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures , and leads me besides the still waters. He teaches us how to relax and shows me how to meditate. He restores my soul , he leads me in the path of righteousness for his name sake. He teaches me how to seek him first. We can live in dangerous places and fear no evil, he is with us.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 24, 2021, 10:44:57 PM
The 23rd chapter of Psalms is seeking first the kingdom. The Lord is our Shepard , our leader, and we shall not want; all our needs shall be added to us. We will have our basic needs. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures , and leads me besides the still waters. He teaches us how to relax and shows me how to meditate. He restores my soul , he leads me in the path of righteousness for his name sake. He teaches me how to seek him first. We can live in dangerous places and fear no evil, he is with us.
He who hungers and thirst after righteousness shall be filled. Thy rod and staff comfort me. To be led to be righteous is being led to be like God. We strongly desire to do the right thing. That desire can be turned up like heat. It is an actual scripture with promise. The hunger and desire to be righteous shall be filled, most likely filling an empty spot in you. With this hole being filled, surely goodness and mercy will also be with you all the days of your life life coverage. When we seek the Kingdom first , it also means you are looking to walk in the spirit. You are wanting to understand. You want the spiritual life, and as God turns up the heat, little by little you shall not want. You won't be undernourished again.
2Pet. 1:3-11we shall not want seeing that his divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness , through the true knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and excellence . For by these he has granted to us his precious and magnificent promise's, you shall not want, and so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. "Seek you first the kingdom of God", that is our daily agenda, everything else is secondary but important. You have to be steered in the right direction , So aim your eyes fixed on our Savior , being called is one of the greatest things that can happen to a human. Jesus draws us near and away we go on a truth ride.
Thou anointest my head with Oil, my cup runs over; this is an abundance of wellness , care , and dignity that the Shepard has towards his sheep. My cup runs .over , meaning we receive more than what we hope for.
In Matt.5:3-5, if you thirst after righteousness God will bless you. God bless if you hunger and thirst after righteousness, I think that is a wonderful state to be in. A desperate longing to be like God. You want to live a godly life. You hunger and thrust for it, you shall be filled. This is one of the greatest hearts in scripture, no greater condition can be sought after. These are those who's search for righteousness is a consuming passion.
Thirsting after God's righteousness Is a strong desire to be like him. To please him. This is ultimate submission. A complete restoring of the consciousness. Or revamping of it. But we must get to know God.in Job 36:26, " God is great we know him not." God is infinite in majesty power, wisdom, and all perfections. We don't know him perfectly . He is incomprehensible and great in his essence , attributes, and his works and ways of being.
Ezekiel 36:27 I will put my spirit within you. In Jeremiah 31:33 I will write my laws into their hearts. Traditional ways are now being abandoned and we're getting right to the source.
The term ,"Kingdom of God" does not appear in the Old Testament, although "His kingdom and your kingdom are used." God actually chose his church before he made the world ,Eph.1:-14.. Predestined us for adoption to sonship. The Father chose the heirs of salvation
So we have enough to go on in trying to understand this most curious topic. Believers and unbelievers can fall into any of these situations that target people for salvation . You could be elected , you can be called, be made a first fruit , you can be chosen. The salvation of God will be exposed within you. You can be appointed. Don't worry God will get you where he wants you.
Oh he'll get you there.
In Rev. In 7:10,"And they cried out with a loud voice; Salvation belongs to our God , who sits on the throne and to the Lamb." In Rev.22:3 , no longer shall there be any curse. Salvation will not be distorted ever again. Right now the world sees salvation through a dark iconic idiot light. Meant to blind and confuse. We shall be delivered from the power of sin. The Lord, who is our strength and song, has become our salvation, Ps.118:14. Christ will be All and in all.Look at all that is being done for us. How could we escape if we neglect so great a salvation.
In "Col.3:11", There's neither Greek or Jew, circumcision or uncircumcised, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free, but Christ is all and in all". This is a far better unity than we first thought, as we put on this new man, this new knowledge molded after Christ himself. It is renewed knowledge as well, not wasting what we have learned about Jesus an all that he is , to us and to the world. As we move closer to the Kingdom obvious scales are beginning to drop off: like gender , male an female will no longer be. Which is stunning . Racial cultures will begin to dissapate and slavery will no longer be. Everything that drops off will pic up Christ.The scales that blinded us will be removed, we will see more of Christ and his knowledge. We will put on the new man that is rooted in Christ. Col.2:6-7. We learn to walk in Jesus. He will become all that we need, living in us all , leading us through the mother earth and prepping us for the mother kingdom.
Growing in Christ is definitely living off the grid. It is not possible for those called to walk side by side with Christ physically , so we must learn how to walk in the spirit. Which is so much better for us all. Gal.5:16. An be careful how we walk, Eph. 5:15-16. Col. 1:10-11. If we live by the spirit let us therefore walk by the spirit. For me this whole experience has been new and difficult at times. I didn't know what walking in the spirit meant.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 27, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
Growing in Christ is definitely living off the grid.
For me this whole experience has been new and difficult at times. I didn't know what walking in the spirit meant.
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The examples we are expected to follow are few and far between amongst our "leaders in the faith ".
Paul is the prime leader of which to take note.
Pretty hard to know what to do when you find out that what you assumed was correct, but is not even close to just how much we are going to be.
True walking in spirit removes so much rubbish and makes the desires of the heart completely reverse.
Getting rid of man's methods takes time but does get easier when grasping the end result.
Paul said in Ephesians 3:2-3 the dispensation of the grace of God was given to him for others. How Jesus made known to him the mystery of Christ. That we all are heirs , vs9., And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery . There is one body, and one spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith , one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all , through all and in you all . Universal Salvation is the only way of life that could service both believers and unbelievers edifying the body till we all come in the unity of the faith.
Quote from: Ross on September 27, 2021, 09:14:38 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on September 27, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
Growing in Christ is definitely living off the grid.
For me this whole experience has been new and difficult at times. I didn't know what walking in the spirit meant.
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The examples we are expected to follow are few and far between amongst our "leaders in the faith ".
Paul is the prime leader of which to take note.
Pretty hard to know what to do when you find out that what you assumed was correct, but is not even close to just how much we are going to be.
True walking in spirit removes so much rubbish and makes the desires of the heart completely reverse.
Getting rid of man's methods takes time but does get easier when grasping the end result.
True walking in the spirit removes so much rubbish and does help change the heart of the believer. We learn to back off of assumptions and develop a real zeal for knowledge. Not to keep our new lessons to ourselves , but to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery. Getting rid of man's methods does take time, because they had a long time to germinate within us. Till we come into the unity of the faith and to the knowledge of the Son of God
We are henceforth no more children, tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine with their cunning craftiness , whereby they lie in wait to deceive, but we speak the truth in love and grow up into Christ in all things and matters. We can pray for loopholes in our character be explained and filled. We put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
In Eph.4:23,_And be renewed in the spirit of your mind. This is taking on a new consciousness that is developed in righteousness and true holiness. In Ephesians 5:20 is a very helpful overlooked tool for the believer.,"Giving thanks always for all things", giving thanks to God keeps you connected to what's being done for you and often to you.
Giving thanks to God daily will help shape your attitude of humility and dependence on him. Giving God your thanks is giving you fellowship with him. And it offers that "Third Eye",, that spiritual eye that is so keen and real. The third eye is the spiritual evaluation of your life condition.
In Psalms 9:1,"I will give thanks to you Lord , with all my heart." Don't be anxious about anything , but in all things give thanksgiving. Let your requests be made known to God. This is developing relationship believe it or not. Keeping as much rapport with God as you can. You begin to see that we can't even keep up with the everyday blessings of God.. to comprehend and be renewed in the spirit of your mind. The fat around your mind is being trimmed, your consciousness is being rebooted. Now the truth can land in your head without spinning..New runway tracks are being laid.
New tracks are being laid in your consciousness that you know we're not there before. The spirit is the divine agent God uses to begin his redemptive work. The spirit reveals God's truth and Gods inaudible planting of his spirit.
To be renewed in the spirit , we are revived and given a fresh start and motivation. I know I am going to need that, it seems like to me I been sleep walking through my life. Really missing fellowship with others. So I am really interested in an eager pursuit to get something done. Surcharge my consciousness while the spirit visiting can give me a big boost.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 28, 2021, 12:08:25 AM
To be renewed in the spirit , we are revived and given a fresh start and motivation. I know I am going to need that, it seems like to me I been sleep walking through my life. Really missing fellowship with others. So I am really interested in an eager pursuit to get something done. Surcharge my consciousness while the spirit visiting can give me a big boost.
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This post is also a prayer. To have our spirit renewed and blessed , if we can catch the spirit while it's visiting , and get it hand delivered to God. Wouldn't that be something.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 28, 2021, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on September 28, 2021, 12:08:25 AM
To be renewed in the spirit , we are revived and given a fresh start and motivation. I know I am going to need that, it seems like to me I been sleep walking through my life. Really missing fellowship with others. So I am really interested in an eager pursuit to get something done. Surcharge my consciousness while the spirit visiting can give me a big boost.
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This post is also a prayer. To have our spirit renewed and blessed , if we can catch the spirit while it's visiting , and get it hand delivered to God. Wouldn't that be something.
In 1Pet.3:12,' The eyes of the Lord are over the righteous and his ears are open to their prayers."⁸ Our Father created us for fellowship with him., Not just each other. Well what should we pray about? Hey, don't worry about anything and pray about everything. in 1John 5:14, This is the confidence we have in approaching God, that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. It is then wise to ask Jesus and the Holy Spirit to teach us to pray according to his will.
Then one day we will find ourselves having conversations with heaven, Phil.3:20. Having minds motivated and lead by heaven. It is then that we can do all things through Christ which strengthens us.
God uses the spirit to boost us , recharge our spirit. But look closely at Titus 3:5 " Not by works of righteousness we had done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration , and renewing of the Holy Spirit. You mean to tell me that the Holy Spirit itself can be washed , or use itself to wash the human clean from sin. So the Holy Spirit can be recharged , washed , regenerated , and renewed. If you let this loose into the bloodstream, think of all the toxic things that can be erased.
Hey wash me with this great gift to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled. That cannot fade away, reserved In Heaven for us. Who are kept by the power of God though faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Oh we will suffer persecution for a season , manifold temptations., That the trial of your faith , being more precious than gold, tried with fire , may be found unto praise and honour and glory. That is the path, looking for the appearance of Jesus. Pushing away the stones of stumbling , the rocks of offense to those who stumble at the word. Being disobedient they were still appointed .
But you are a chosen priesthood , a chosen generation , a royal priesthood,a holy nation, a perculiar people ,that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
2corinth.4:16,"For which cause we fain't not , but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. We have inside coverage.
In John 14:26,"but the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things , and bring all things to your memory, whatever I have said unto you. This is proof that we will receive top notch teaching , John 16. Interesting that The Holy Spirit could not come until Jesus left. But look at what Jesus said the spirit will do; he will reprove the world of sin. And of righteousness and of judgement. Those are supreme acts of very great power
. Now the called can be taught without the annoying problems that the flesh may bring.
Jesus encourages us to ask the Father for things. Oh I can make a quick list of things to ask for. About 50 things just to start. I am kidding, but reality can catch up real quick and I find myself needing more than 50 things. My spiritual needs are a long list. Ask and our joy will be filled. Wow, we are all just blessed.
Amen, bro ! :banana:
Literally everything on God's throne is alive. In Rev.7:16-17,"They shall hunger nor thrist anymore , neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them , and shall lead them into living fountains of waters , and shall wipe away all tears from their yes. Emotional moments yes indeed. But notice the waters are referred to as "Living fountains of water" , the water is alive. I don't really know how to explain that? Imagine swimming in water that is alive, or even just drinking it. Truly amazing. Streets paved with gold and water that lives. Rev. 21:21. The streets of the city were pure gold, transparent as glass. The Kingdom will truly be a mystical place. In 21:16 the Esv and Niv versions measures The Holy city as 12,000 stadia in length and width. A stadia is 607 feet. That translates into 1400 miles , with some versions going as high as 1500 miles long, wide and high! Simply incredible!
Again the bible opens yet another mythical door in John 4:14,,,"But whoever drinks of the water I shall give him shall never thirst ; but the water I give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." So we can obviously see here that this water of life gives you eternal life. It leads to eternally experience life. You can again obviously drink it once and never thirst again. However one can interpret these views of this scripture , it's all good. All powerful things and it would not be wise to misunderstand the message scripture is revealing here: don't underestimate the power of water in scripture.
What about water baptism? Remember nothing is necessary for you to do to be saved, all other things you do can be symbolic interpretation of something. I would say being baptized by the spirit , or the spirit coming on you and staying with you , your covered. Being baptized by water, if you can and trust the person doing it, I mean it's not going to kill you. It's up to you, I am not all that big on water baptism,and I do not view it as wrong. I am kind of neutral on it. What do you think?
In Acts 1:5"For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." This is simply the better baptism. Yet the bible never requested any changes be made in baptism or prohibited from water, so I think it's just a harmless formality. I could be wrong.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 30, 2021, 08:25:53 AM
In Acts 1:5"For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." This is simply the better baptism. Yet the bible never requested any changes be made in baptism or prohibited from water, so I think it's just a harmless formality. I could be wrong.
If we could narrate this topic in each of the four gospels , the baptism of Jesus would then mark the inauguration of his public ministry - his emergence from a life of seeming obscurity , takes a hard right turn in history, into a life of growing popularity on account of his preaching, miracles, healings and proclamation of mercy and forgiveness. His baptism may have been more symbolic than a commanded doctrine. And to identify himself to sinners. He was not baptized for the remissions of his sin, he had none, He was baptized to fulfill all unrighteousness, Matt.3:15., A powerful symbol of God's grace. Water baptism can appear in the plan of salvation, it's rich with spiritual meaning and it cannot be turned into a condemnation tool.
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Quote from: Mickiel on September 30, 2021, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on September 30, 2021, 08:25:53 AM
In Acts 1:5"For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." This is simply the better baptism. Yet the bible never requested any changes be made in baptism or prohibited from water, so I think it's just a harmless formality. I could be wrong.
If we could narrate this topic in each of the four gospels , the baptism of Jesus would then mark the inauguration of his public ministry - his emergence from a life of seeming obscurity , takes a hard right turn in history, into a life of growing popularity on account of his preaching, miracles, healings and proclamation of mercy and forgiveness. His baptism may have been more symbolic than a commanded doctrine. And to identify himself to sinners. He was not baptized for the remissions of his sin, he had none, He was baptized to fulfill all unrighteousness, Matt.3:15., A powerful symbol of God's grace. Water baptism can appear in the plan of salvation, it's rich with spiritual meaning and it cannot be turned into a condemnation, quote;
Salvation is ahead of the game, nothing can stop it. Not even sin, in Rom. 5: 5-8 "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly . That was it right there , Jesus payment for our sins is appointed to our account by his faith alone. So baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation , but cannot be a requirement for salvation.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 30, 2021, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on September 30, 2021, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on September 30, 2021, 08:25:53 AM
In Acts 1:5"For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." This is simply the better baptism. Yet the bible never requested any changes be made in baptism or prohibited from water, so I think it's just a harmless formality. I could be wrong.
If we could narrate this topic in each of the four gospels , the baptism of Jesus would then mark the inauguration of his public ministry - his emergence from a life of seeming obscurity , takes a hard right turn in history, into a life of growing popularity on account of his preaching, miracles, healings and proclamation of mercy and forgiveness. His baptism may have been more symbolic than a commanded doctrine. And to identify himself to sinners. He was not baptized for the remissions of his sin, he had none, He was baptized to fulfill all unrighteousness, Matt.3:15., A powerful symbol of God's grace. Water baptism can appear in the plan of salvation, it's rich with spiritual meaning and it cannot be turned into a condemnation, quote;
Salvation is ahead of the game, nothing can stop it. Not even sin, in Rom. 5: 5-8 "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly . That was it right there , Jesus payment for our sins is appointed to our account by his faith alone. So baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation , but cannot be a requirement for salvation.
Yes Jesus had no sin , but he was treated as if he had . In fact he sacrificed his life for all human lives and he delivered salvation to all humans. He endured a Savage beating to keep evils hands off of salvation. In Romans 5: 8 'But God commanded his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners , Christ died for us. We were reconciled to God by the death and life of Jesus.
Now the Lord is the spirit, and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. So the Lord wants us to be free , and knowing this truth sets us free. God wants us free men.To have this strong sense of freedom as we come to know him. He does not want us learning under a sloppy sense of hurt , he wants us to learn and grow while freed in our consciousness. To have the power to think without hindrance or restraints.
Satan has this world under constraints , he controls it's religious education. And secretly guides it's leaders. They are under the illusion of free will teaching. There is no scientific proof or scriptural proof of man having free will. None I have seen.
Quote from: Mickiel on September 30, 2021, 10:10:36 PM
Now the Lord is the spirit, and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. So the Lord wants us to be free , and knowing this truth sets us free. God wants us free men.To have this strong sense of freedom as we come to know him. He does not want us learning under a sloppy sense of hurt , he wants us to learn and grow while freed in our consciousness. To have the power to think without hindrance or restraints.
Satan has this world under constraints , he controls it's religious education. And secretly guides it's leaders. They are under the illusion of free will teaching. There is no scientific proof or scriptural proof of man having free will. None I have seen.
To have the power to be free of the many constraints placed on this world and still learn and comprehend is a Godsend ability. We can call that ability the gift of discernment. We can sense the right spirits to listen to. In John 10:2,"My sheep hear my voice and I know them. And they follow me." This dynamic is very important to have. This is how we communicate with Jesus and God , and their spirit's, without outside interference. A more pure communication protected by the spirit. Some people ask, "well how do we know who is right , who to listen to? " Well this is how, spirit lead discernment. Through all the false voices , being Jesus sheep keys us into the right focus and Jesus will help us , in John 10:2 Jesus said his sheep know his voice , AND , he knows them. Jesus weeds through the prayers stops and says,"Grab that prayer , I know them, take it to the Father." And we can do this all day and night.
Jesus supplies his people with a powerful spirit while he is gone. The spirit of truth. In John 14:17 Jesus taught that this spirit will both dwell with us and be in us! Wow! This great spirit of truth gives us a very discerning eye for exposing false religions and false truths. Our understanding is now pump up the volume at any level of deception and we will know.
Jesus left the earth but did not leave the believer empty handed , John 14: 16-18 , 15:26. With this comforter , or spirit we will be actively living Psalms 23rd chapter.the spirit will lead us, restore us , comfort us , will feed our hunger for righteousness , quench our fears and keep us prepared for anything. Even pumping up the volume on our knowledge - "Thou anointest my head with Oil, my cup runs over." We will understand so much more and the Holy Spirit will both guide and teach us from then on , into eternity.
Quote from: Mickiel on October 01, 2021, 11:19:10 AM
Jesus left the earth but did not leave the believer empty handed , John 14: 16-18 , 15:26. With this comforter , or spirit we will be actively living Psalms 23rd chapter.the spirit will lead us, restore us , comfort us , will feed our hunger for righteousness , quench our fears and keep us prepared for anything. Even pumping up the volume on our knowledge - "Thou anointest my head with Oil, my cup runs over." We will understand so much more and the Holy Spirit will both guide and teach us from then on , into eternity.
Sadly having these greatly exaggerated gifts from God, the believer is now more of a target than ever before. We must walk through the darkness , through the valley of the shadow of death , all the while demons are ganging up on you. It's just no telling what these dark demons will throw at you. Powerful deceptions that even Jesus wondered how great is this darkness?Matt.6:23.
But thankfully God only allows certain things for demons to have room to do. He allowed Satan only certain things he could do to Job. If you step back and take a wide range of things, God does allow a wide range of evil to exist. God is always progressive with evil. Some things are untouchable to Satan, as with salvation, he cannot bother salvation , only give out illusions about it. God will not bargain with the salvation of man.
God alone is our source of strength, Psalms 18:1, 2:7 , Isaiah 40:31. God is called the horn of our salvation. The raised horn is a common biblical symbol of victory, Ps.89:24, 112:9, ,Zech.1:21. The horn can mean a symbol of honor and strength. The synonyms of salvation become more points of reference , preservation, or you can just say saving. The freedom gives salvation redemption, rescue, deliverance, or you can reference the root meaning of salvation In the Latin Salvare ,"To Save",. Salvation is rich in meaning, and human sinners becoming justified is just the cream of the crop. Pun intended. The truth that all believers need to realize very deeply is that true salvation rest in knowing the truth of who we are. The truth of who we are remains forever unchanged. It is ever present , just waiting to us to connect to the love of Christ knowing that we are loved and that love is unaffected by any life experience , is a foundation of the salvation. Not that we are lined up to receive love in turns , most of humanity has received love and salvation in mass. My concern is the church in the later times , and how they receive it themselves. So they will need the horn of salvation , it is a term of strength as well as a symbol of them. 2Sam. 22:3, Ps.18:2. Christ praises the Philadelphian era to remaining faithful despite their Limited strength. Rev. 3:8. The will become pillars in Gods heavenly temple, Rev.3:10-12.
This church also proves that despite of weaknesses , can be used by Christ to be pillars in heavenly temples. Jesus knows the difference between reproaching a congregation and condemning it's persecutors. Jesus can cut a whole lot of slack during these horrid times. Spiritual self realization will have to move to an opening for the latter churches. The 7 churches in Revelation can be multi applied to both those times and ours. The message is the same. BUT , the personal experiences are largely differing to the latter day saints. At least in my view. The times are just different. The older people in the church are different, and the younger.if you run into the right old member of God's church, your running into a well of wisdom and maybe even find an old battle axe with scars on it.
I mentioned that God was progressive with evil. So what did I mean by that? Well it means that God develops evil in stages , or gradual over time proceeding in steps it seems to me. He is really using it in social reform , while it increases in popularity. God is reforming humanity , using modernist advanced enterprising evil. Many key humans in history and until now , can be inspired to be radical and dynamic with their evil , even displaying enlightening innovative politically correct evil . A presidential campaign can quickly turn into a war of words , and they are not aware just how much evil can accomplish once it gets in. It's getting harder to tell the difference between evil politics of the past, or the progressive credentials in the annals of present day liars in government. The corruption in government has thrown off many well meaning people who just don't know how to be led. Politics is becoming more of a machine with humans at the controls.
The Donald Trump presidency is a modern day and example of what I mean to show. I have never in my life seen so much evil flirted with by an American president. The avenues he opened will last for years and may have set unseen future consequences into the vaults of politics. This proves anybody can become president who has personality problems. And who knows what is under those problems.
I am not suggesting any difference in the innate psychology of people throughout time and world over. Everywhere humans seem to have had the same propensity for both virtue and violence. There is plenty of evidence of both kindness and selfishness in the masses. I just like things which explains evil and good and why they exist. It's why I like the bible.
One frightening suggestion is that if we begin to see more dictators elected, more men with problems, that may be a swing back toward predicted prophecy.Think about it. God is not returning to a perfect world, and some of the leadership in the world when he returns are not going to be boy scouts. Goodness will not be in power when Christ returns; it has to be installed.
In Rev.18:3,9 show the corrupt kings of the earth Committing fornication with Babylon the great. This is what Christ returns to on earth. So we must expect , if we wish to stay in reality , more and more corrupt leaders coming out of the woodwork. In Rev. 12:9 Satan has deceived the whole world. This is worldwide powerful deception. And you can bet that religion has a lot to do with it. Politics and religion.
In Rev. 12:9 Satan has managed world wide deception , that means everyone is deceived except the elect. Now think about it, what tool can Satan use to go that far without being detected? Will you think with me? Religions!. Like Islam and Christianity. Those two religions pretty much cover the world. Satan is not trying to pull people away from these religions , but actually draw them to it. Inside these giant religions Satan can work out powerful mixture deceptive dogma. He can weave distorted doctrines and confuse millions of believers. He's already doing it..
Interesting how Satan is called the great dragon in Rev.12:9. An ancient serpent. In Gen.3:1 he is again referred to as a serpent. And Gen.3:13. In Rev. 20:2, 2Corinth.11:13. He just may be a real serpent dragon. With wings and authority on earth..He is forbidden to bother salvation,, or he would..one way we can know that God has restricted Satan, is simply by looking at what he does not do. If he has not cut your head off, then he can't, or
He would. Salvation makes Satan's head sick and furious. He is a cosmic creature that gave birth to evil. He is filled with remarkable deception. Yet he is fighting a lost cause, so he's angry and wants to spoil as much as he can.
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Interesting how Satan is called the great dragon in Rev.12:9. An ancient serpent. In Gen.3:1 he is again referred to as a serpent. And Gen.3:13. In Rev. 20:2, 2Corinth.11:13. He just may be a real serpent dragon. With wings and authority on earth..He is forbidden to bother salvation,, or he would..one way we can know that God has restricted Satan, is simply by looking at what he does not do. If he has not cut your head off, then he can't, or
He would. Salvation makes Satan's head sick and furious. He is a cosmic creature that gave birth to evil. He is filled with remarkable deception. Yet he is fighting a lost cause, so he's angry and wants to spoil as much as he can.
So we are given a peek at sin and evil by how it has affected Satan and humans.It is the opposite of God and a horrible existence.. I can remember a time in my life when Satan had me down and super depressed. Nothing was going right and I was very sick and weak. It was as if he had jumped on me and was choking the life out of me. The spirit chased him off. I thought to myself" This Satan being is serious,"I think he would have killed me If he could. Salvation is our shield.
Satan is so violent that it's hard for him to do things reasonable , he has a killer attitude. Notice how his confrontations are always short and rushed. He rushed the events in Eden, he rushed his confrontations with Jesus, he is not patient with his evil. He rushed Jesus death. He rushed Pharaoh into letting Israel go early
Still the forces of evil have been arrayed in deadly formation. The devil has infiltrated our literature, art ,the movies and radio. Our dress our dances. And he really is after our youth. The forces of evil have been insidious with it's enticing of our youth.
We are in a war with eternal consequences , there are two competing agendas for every person on the planet: God's plan is for life, Satan's plan is for death. In Eph.6:11, put on the full armor of God so that we can stand up to the schemes of the devil . You know things will be deadly if we need to wear armour. Satan has demons prowling around looking for someone to devour, 1Pet.5:8-9. Like lions sneaking around,some of the demons may show themselves or reveal the problem their throwing at you, but it's the lions,( demons), that you don't see, the problems you didn't catch that knock you down.
We are right now in a war with Satan. Because of this war Jesus is going to have to destroy Satan. 1John 3:8. Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. To show that being done as a witness to all the world. 1John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins, and not ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. It pleases God that Jesus took on this position of devine pardon for humanity.He eased the stress of a sinful world and pacified all demands for judgement.
Now that Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil ,maybe I can learn some of the things that puzzle me in scripture. Like the differences between salvation and Atonement, I have trouble comparing the two. Salvation seems to be more of being saved from sin, whereas Atonement seems to be a healing from sin. Salvation demanded Jesus life, Atonement opens up God's life to us. The two are so close. So close.
The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me. It's like trying to fit puzzle pictures pictures that are not fitting. It's a weird doctrine. I personally see no need for it.
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The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me. It's like trying to fit puzzle pictures pictures that are not fitting. It's a weird doctrine. I personally see no need for it.
If this is true, I would like to see it explained... Maybe one of you can explain it. I
Mean this is going to be 1000 years after living In perfect peace with God and Christ. Devil is loosed And still manages to deceive many. And these so called believers has got to know it's coming.we all will know satan will be loosed. We got t know it. It's bible. I don't get it? The Kingdom of God gets filtrated and gets mauled and more hurt and pain has come when promised not to?
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The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me. It's like trying to fit puzzle pictures pictures that are not fitting. It's a weird doctrine. I personally see no need for it.
If this is true, I would like to see it explained... Maybe one of you can explain it. I
Mean this is going to be 1000 years after living In perfect peace with God and Christ. Devil is loosed And still manages to deceive many. And these so called believers has got to know it's coming.we all will know satan will be loosed. We got t know it. It's bible. I don't get it? The Kingdom of God gets filtrated and gets mauled and more hurt and pain has come when promised not to?
In all things we just have to learn to trust in God. I know how it is to be wrong and ignorant of God's doings. May I learn to trust in him.
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Now that Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil ,maybe I can learn some of the things that puzzle me in scripture. Like the differences between salvation and Atonement, I have trouble comparing the two. Salvation seems to be more of being saved from sin, whereas Atonement seems to be a healing from sin. Salvation demanded Jesus life, Atonement opens up God's life to us. The two are so close. So close.
Atonement- points out the need for someone to pay for errors; and that done on a yearly basis as a display of someone else presenting
the sacrifice, the high priest and no-one else; and Christ has done that for us, once and for all- ergo His sacrifice for our sins
Salvation- seems to be the release from our errors/sins being made plain to us at our appointed time: recognition of Christ for His work.
Quote from: Mickiel on October 05, 2021, 09:38:46 AM
The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me.
1 Tim 4;1 " Now the spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits
and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared."
I.M.O at the moment everyone is blaming satan for their mistakes- making every excuse for our problems lay on him.
I remember that line of thinking.
Seems to be the need for the 1000 years so that the recognition of errors cannot be blamed elsewhere- ergo actually taking responsibility on our own shoulders.
This may seem harsh, but I feel is part of our correction process which teaches us to look at thing differently.
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Now that Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil ,maybe I can learn some of the things that puzzle me in scripture. Like the differences between salvation and Atonement, I have trouble comparing the two. Salvation seems to be more of being saved from sin, whereas Atonement seems to be a healing from sin. Salvation demanded Jesus life, Atonement opens up God's life to us. The two are so close. So close.
Atonement- points out the need for someone to pay for errors; and that done on a yearly basis as a display of someone else presenting
the sacrifice, the high priest and no-one else; and Christ has done that for us, once and for all- ergo His sacrifice for our sins
Salvation- seems to be the release from our errors/sins being made plain to us at our appointed time: recognition of Christ for His work.quote)
I see. Salvation is not simple a thing to consider, but it involves the demise of all sins.letme look at this a bit more ) but
Quote from: Mickiel on October 05, 2021, 09:38:46 AM
The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me.
1 Tim 4;1 " Now the spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits
and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared."
I.M.O at the moment everyone is blaming satan for their mistakes- making every excuse for our problems lay on him.
I remember that line of thinking.
Seems to be the need for the 1000 years so that the recognition of errors cannot be blamed elsewhere- ergo actually taking responsibility on our own shoulders.
This may seem harsh, but I feel is part of our correction process which teaches us to look at thing differently.
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If one person can be be blamed , its satan, I hold no qauerrel with that . This 1000 year of Satan being released, I don't get it? Believers again fall under his spell. And I just know that everyone in the Kingdom will know when the period has come.
It sounds like something out of a comic book. Something here is weird
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Now that Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil ,maybe I can learn some of the things that puzzle me in scripture. Like the differences between salvation and Atonement, I have trouble comparing the two. Salvation seems to be more of being saved from sin, whereas Atonement seems to be a healing from sin. Salvation demanded Jesus life, Atonement opens up God's life to us. The two are so close. So close.
Atonement- points out the need for someone to pay for errors; and that done on a yearly basis as a display of someone else presenting
the sacrifice, the high priest and no-one else; and Christ has done that for us, once and for all- ergo His sacrifice for our sins
Salvation- seems to be the release from our errors/sins being made plain to us at our appointed time: recognition of Christ for His work.quote)
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I see. Salvation is not simple a thing to consider, but it involves the demise of all sins.let me look at this a bit more ) but
Quote from: Mickiel on October 05, 2021, 09:38:46 AM
The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me.
1 Tim 4;1 " Now the spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits
and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared."
I.M.O at the moment everyone is blaming satan for their mistakes- making every excuse for our problems lay on him.
I remember that line of thinking.
Seems to be the need for the 1000 years so that the recognition of errors cannot be blamed elsewhere- ergo actually taking responsibility on our own shoulders.
This may seem harsh, but I feel is part of our correction process which teaches us to look at thing differently.
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If one person can be be blamed , it Satan, I hold no qauerrel with that . This 1000 year of Satan being released, I don't get it? Believers again fall under his spell. And I just know that everyone in the Kingdom will know when the period has come.
It sounds like something out of a comic book.
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If people are blaming Satan for their sins. I think they got the right guy.
He is to blame. No matter how much believers blame Satan., If anything they don't do it enough. No,I refuse to cut Satan any slack. Different from you I do not. Believe this most unusual one thousand years.
Atonement might mean being made one with God . Now in revelation 19th chapter vs1, the saints Are crying Alleluia , the blood of the saints is avenged . We have the marriage of the Lamb in vs7. The second coming of Christ , then the battle of Armageddon, then the doom of the beast and false prophet.Vs 7. A powerful 19th chapter for sure, I wonder if we got it right. At this level we have to get it right. At this time the beast, and the false prophet are both cast alive Into a lake of fire burning with brimstone., Vs 20. Now the doom of the kings takes place.In Revelation 20:1 a great angel comes down from heaven and grabs Satan , obviously restrains him , and vs. 3 , binds him for 1000 years. That he can deceive the nation's any more.
In Rev.20:the kingdom age begins with Satan's one thousand years , shall we call it imprisonment. In vs 7-15 Satan is loosed when this time expires. He immediately. Begins to deceive all the nation's on earth.Why? Why go through any of this again?
Anyhow in Rev.20: 7-satan and his demons along with all the billions of humans who got deceived again on through vs. 15 are destroyed. Oh and Satan and the false prophet are not destroyed, only imprisoned forever. Something is wrong with this picture , I just can't quite get my finger on it.
So we have to find the salvation of those humans who got deceived again in Revelation 20:7-15.. verse 11 is sad because it says These humans could not even hide , No place was found for them., Which is just hard to believe.
In Rev.20:7-15Satans thousand years elapses and he waste no time , goes out and deceives the nation's four corners of the earth. He gathers them together to battle.It says their numbers is like the sand of the sea. Let's stop and consider this. We know Satan is powerful, his ability to deceive is unmatched and deadly. He was gathering the demon's and deceived humans to attack the Holy City and kill everything in it.So the physiology and phycology of why comes to be considered. Is God just driving in the point home?Why a second siege on the city? Why allow Satan to live and do it his authorized attack, because God knew what to expect from Satan.God knew he would fail, but think about those millions of believers, who had already lived kingdom life for 1000 years, and we are put in a position to have to accept that they just gave in to Satan and his way , like the soldiers in Afghanistan just giving up all their training and surrender to join Satan's charge.
So I am assuming that these deceived will be given salvation a second time after grace and forgiveness is applied. God judges them in verse 12 opening books and judging from the principles of those books, one of which is sure to be the bible , , according to their doings. They are not mentioned anymore, A frightening verse 15 states whoever was not found in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire. "IF" the book of life is indeed the bible, then nothing has changed, all humans are saved , we are back on the salvation track for all. If this is not the case then we are compelled that many will loose their eternal lives. So again salvation is taxed beyond another limit. And the blood of Christ must forgive yet another innsurection .oh Jesus could do this all day long , just continually forgive. God could give his grace all day long and not loose any human to destruction.
In Isaiah 57:16 "For I will not contend forever, neither will I always be wroth, for that spirit will fail within me, and the souls that I have made ".There we have it, our God does not hold grudges and his forgiveness is just "All covering". So I am inclined to believe that even those among us who join Satan for this battle, IF that is true,God will never abandon them.
So I am left just wondering about this strange nerve wrecking biblical bump in the road to peave
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The good.
God will not always contend with sin , Isaiah 57:16, meaning he will not always fight sin, there will be an end to it. God will not continue a struggle with evil. In Psalms 103:8 ,"The Lord is merciful and gracious , slow to anger and plenteous in mercy. vs9 , He will not always chide, meaning he's not going to continue rebuking and reprimanding people , he will show them the way out of the struggle. Pick the human up , bathe them with love and goodness, and create a new consciousness.
Romans 3:23," For all have sinned, this places every single human created into the bible, all our names are listed and can be found in the book of life. This roll call list of sinners is why Jesus came. In Luke 5:32 Sinners are singled out for salvation. Placed within the book because of sin, removed from the book because of Jesus death and life. Instead of a list of condemnation , it becomes a list of change and challenge to God's plans.. Nonetheless if we can prove that the bible was one of the _Books Opened in Revelation, the salvation of all is in that book ,Jesus and God are already in the that book. Notice closely then Rev.20:12-15, first off we are at God's throne and all the dead are returned to life. The bible has that. The verse states that . God begins his judgement and EVERY man was judged out of those things written in this book. The bible has that. The sea , death and hell delivers up their dead, the bible has that.
Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire , Jesus , our intercessor , our lawyer blocks the entire human race from destruction by making himself the ransom needed to block our fate of doom.1Tim.2:6. He actually uses his own body to block the door to destruction. What a lawyer! What a Savior. John 17:2 states that Jesus gives eternal life to as many as the Father has given him. The posture is always forgiveness, apply grace, love and mercy.
We might can save our group using the events in Rev. 21:4-5. God is personally seeing to wounded believers, as God consoles this group he promises they will not die anymore, nor have sorrows , nor crying , not even any pain, the former things are passed away. Here is yet another chance for salvation, again mercy, grace and forgiveness is applied. We can get large Salvation from here for sure.
We can get those lost sheep from Titus 3: 4-7, the kindness and love of God our savior toward man has appearred , not by works but according to his mercy he saved us. They're justified by faith and made heirs of eternal life. In Titus 2 ;11 , For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. The case for the salvation of all is being built-in and stacked biblically.
You have no need to fear anyone who needs salvation and may not attend court in this powerful case. In 1 Tim. 2;6 Jesus gives his life as a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Salvation is recognizing everyone. We may save any group here.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who will have all men to be saved , and come to the knowledge of the truth. Universal salvation is pleasing to God , it covers all bases and includes all sinners ,we may save anyone here.
Atonement is more like a repair done for the sake of a damaged relationship. Propitiation is more like appeasement where Jesus serves as reparation or compensation. In1John 4:10. Propitiation just means satisfaction. Lovingly Christ applies this salvation to believers and covers all unbelievers as well, expressing a spectacular salvation. The sins of the whole world. 2Corinth. 5:19 Christ is Reconciling the world to himself. We can save everyone here.
We can find salvation for those humans twice deceived in Rev..20:1-15. Rev.21:4 is giving away salvation, making all things new, especially sinful human souls. Maybe they were not twice deceived, in Rev. 20: 5 this group of humans may be the ones Satan deceives again. Satan is being very ugly and tricky here , the devil knows that trying to use humans in this fight is rediculous , he just needs his demons, and even they are slaughtered. He just wants humans dead any kind of way he can. what could humans do in a war with angels?
Ultimately we are being asked to believe , in a sane judicial manner , that God needs to overlap his timing to include 1000 years of Satan's imprisonment during the kingdom age. He will be placed inside of a bottomless pit, and bound by a great chain and sealed. Since the pit has no bottom, we may assume that he will be hanging in mid air while the pit is sealed. Held by this chain. His powers to deceive removed. Hanging for 1000 years. So I guess all the citizens of heaven will know about this. But he's bound an powerless so no fears.
He then is loosed out of his prison. In Rev.20: 7-15 Satan gos out and deceives again. He builds a great army and starts a battle. God ends the battle in verses 7-10.
I Wonder why the battle? The whole thing is weird to me.
Rev.20:17 The only place in scripture that chokes my understanding. When Satan is first grabbed and chained , I am for killing him right there and be done with it. I get high anxiety when I think of Satan being kept alive. For any reason. If I m searching in faith clarity should not
Quote from: Mickiel on October 11, 2021, 05:03:47 AM
Rev.20:17 The only place in scripture that chokes my understanding. When Satan is first grabbed and chained , I am for killing him right there and be done with it. I get high anxiety when I think of Satan being kept alive. For any reason. If I m searching in faith clarity should not
I need to reconcile this with God. Which is fine by me I know God to be long-suffering and fair, so I can expect the help I need. Jesus will investigate my heart. According to my studies no one is lost to anything possible, this is how strong God's faith an mercy is.Why Father is Satan bound for 1000 years during kingdom time? The why is he loosed on the citizens of heaven, effectively deceiving many again? I know you to to be a being of reason , this seems unreasonable time. Please forgive me Father if I step into areas that I should not. I know you do everything for a reason. Help us to understand you , If such is not against your will . There's another war in the universe and it spills over into the kingdom. Many brethren are deceived for the first time, some for a second time. I pray for whoever is involved.
Is this an error in scripture? Please respond and help me see , or help me to mind my own business. I trust that if you do something, then it cannot be done in a better way.
Rev. 21:8, is still listing openings into the lake of fire and listing sinners will be a part of the lake of fire.Yet even still in verses 5- 8, God is giving salvation freely.And Chapter 22 is a salvation chapter.
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Rev.20:17 The only place in scripture that chokes my understanding. When Satan is first grabbed and chained , I am for killing him right there and be done with it. I get high anxiety when I think of Satan being kept alive. For any reason. If I m searching in faith clarity should not
I need to reconcile this with God. Which is fine by me I know God to be long-suffering and fair, so I can expect the help I need. Jesus will investigate my heart. According to my studies no one is lost to anything possible, this is how strong God's faith an mercy is.Why Father is Satan bound for 1000 years during kingdom time? The why is he loosed on the citizens of heaven, effectively deceiving many again? I know you to to be a being of reason , this seems unreasonable time. Please forgive me Father if I step into areas that I should not. I know you do everything for a reason. Help us to understand you , If such is not against your will . There's another war in the universe and it spills over into the kingdom. Many brethren are deceived for the first time, some for a second time. I pray for whoever is involved.
Is this an error in scripture? Please respond and help me see , or help me to mind my own business. I trust that if you do something, then it cannot be done in a better way.
should we interpret Revelation literally ?....its apocalyptical literature..maybe the 1000 yrs is symbolism ?
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Rev.20:17 The only place in scripture that chokes my understanding. When Satan is first grabbed and chained , I am for killing him right there and be done with it. I get high anxiety when I think of Satan being kept alive. For any reason. If I m searching in faith clarity should not
I need to reconcile this with God. Which is fine by me I know God to be long-suffering and fair, so I can expect the help I need. Jesus will investigate my heart. According to my studies no one is lost to anything possible, this is how strong God's faith an mercy is.Why Father is Satan bound for 1000 years during kingdom time? The why is he loosed on the citizens of heaven, effectively deceiving many again? I know you to to be a being of reason , this seems unreasonable time. Please forgive me Father if I step into areas that I should not. I know you do everything for a reason. Help us to understand you , If such is not against your will . There's another war in the universe and it spills over into the kingdom. Many brethren are deceived for the first time, some for a second time. I pray for whoever is involved.
Is this an error in scripture? Please respond and help me see , or help me to mind my own business. I trust that if you do something, then it cannot be done in a better way.
should we interpret Revelation literally ?....its apocalyptical literature..maybe the 1000 yrs is symbolism ?
It may be symbolism , but can we explain the sysbolism?
Yes explaining apocalyptic scripture can be difficult, because it can be a window in to something else that is totally inconsistent with our point of view. Satan views our destruction as the ultimate destiny of all of humanity. On earth your imprisoned for anything less than life , or a life sentence, and anything in-between.including a death sentence. There are no biblical examples of this because it's a first in most areas. Holding a being like Satan is nothing but trouble. Then after years of Satan just hanging there, we revive him, set him free, and he gets right to work and deceives many again. I mean come on now, after having God's spirit for one thousand years, Kingdom citizens, have got to be formidable people not given to deception.. or they are weak and gullible an stomped on by Satan with no mercy. Because none is shown to him. Remember Satan is bound by a chain in a tube with Bottomless flooring , and he is sealed that way, the next 1000 year
In Revelation 20:7-15. Satan is loosed and he goes straight to the four corners of the earth , he wants to kill . everything. Satan thinks he's setting up this group for death.again satan is captured this time. According to how
You interpret things , he is caught again and this time cast Into a great lake of fire. And the scriptures say he is to remain there forever. Now the book of life is opened.
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Yes explaining apocalyptic scripture can be difficult, because it can be a window in to something else that is totally inconsistent with our point of view. Satan views our destruction as the ultimate destiny of all of humanity. On earth your imprisoned for anything less than life , or a life sentence, and anything in-between.including a death sentence. There are no biblical examples of this because it's a first in most areas. Holding a being like Satan is nothing but trouble. Then after years of Satan just hanging there, we revive him, set him free, and he gets right to work and deceives many again. I mean come on now, after having God's spirit for one thousand years, Kingdom citizens, have got to be formidable people not given to deception.. or they are weak and gullible an stomped on by Satan with no mercy. Because none is shown to him. Remember Satan is bound by a chain in a tube with Bottomless flooring , and he is sealed that way, the next 1000 year
In Revelation 20:7-15. Satan is loosed and he goes straight to the four corners of the earth , he wants to kill . everything. Satan thinks he's setting up this group for death.again satan is captured this time. According to how
You interpret things , he is caught again and this time cast Into a great lake of fire. And the scriptures say he is to remain there forever. Now the book of life is opened.
I dont believe hes there forever...for Jesus said 'forgive your enemies' that ye be like God...so, God must forgive even Satan, in my view....maybe God transforms him into something decent.
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Yes explaining apocalyptic scripture can be difficult, because it can be a window in to something else that is totally inconsistent with our point of view. Satan views our destruction as the ultimate destiny of all of humanity. On earth your imprisoned for anything less than life , or a life sentence, and anything in-between.including a death sentence. There are no biblical examples of this because it's a first in most areas. Holding a being like Satan is nothing but trouble. Then after years of Satan just hanging there, we revive him, set him free, and he gets right to work and deceives many again. I mean come on now, after having God's spirit for one thousand years, Kingdom citizens, have got to be formidable people not given to deception.. or they are weak and gullible an stomped on by Satan with no mercy. Because none is shown to him. Remember Satan is bound by a chain in a tube with Bottomless flooring , and he is sealed that way, the next 1000 year
In Revelation 20:7-15. Satan is loosed and he goes straight to the four corners of the earth , he wants to kill . everything. Satan thinks he's setting up this group for death.again satan is captured this time. According to how
You interpret things , he is caught again and this time cast Into a great lake of fire. And the scriptures say he is to remain there forever. Now the book of life is opened.
I dont believe hes there forever...for Jesus said 'forgive your enemies' that ye be like God...so, God must forgive even Satan, in my view....maybe God transforms him into something decent.
God is alpha and Omega, he can begin a life or end it. In my view he is going to Will Satan out of existence.
Does God have the ability to transform Satan into something good? Of course he does. I just see no biblical evidence to support that. He was created guilty. Created doomed. Created crazy and mad.
Quote, God could have changed Satan in Genesis after Eve was deceived he did not. He could have changed him after they confronted each other in the garden both alone, he didn't, he could have changed him in the book of Revelations, he did not. He could have changed him instead of throwing him into the lake of fire, he did not,
Remember the saying, " Bleeding heart liberals", I my view the believers who want Satan to be forgiven and survive , again In my view are showing excessive sympathy for Satan's misfortune. They have learned love and forgiveness to a point that they cannot draw a line anymore as to who it should be applied, so they applied it to mean all. This is one reason no humans will never judge Satan. In Rev. 22: 16-19 , for I testify for every man that hears these propecy , and vs.19, if any "man" shall take away from the words of this book, God would blot him out of the book of life. So notice these are for men, not demons. Salvation is being freely offered in Rev.20:14-15. Humans can still receive salvation in as far as Rev.21:5-7, even here Satan and demons could have been saved but they were not. Either God or Christ never says anything that would even hint toward the salvation of Satan.God never speaks anything good about Satan.
In Rev. 21:3 the Tabernacle of God is with men. And he will be with them , they shall be his God, and we his people. If satan could be changed you could do it here. But Gods concern is humanity.
I been searching scripture for the salvation of Satan and his cohorts , I am having trouble finding it. Perhaps some of you could help me see it. I certainly would like to.
In Isaiah 54:16 I"have created the waster to destroy". Heres Satan is called the waster created to destroy. Satan is a stone cold killer, he is a waste of time..and I would not invest eternity in him at all. And I don't think God will either.
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I been searching scripture for the salvation of Satan and his cohorts , I am having trouble finding it. Perhaps some of you could help me see it. I certainly would like to.
u might say their redemption is implied....Colossians says every creature shall be redeemed...every creature prob. includes them.
that's kind of what i was thinking darryl - "implied". I don't take a strong stance on satan personally, i.e., if God would decide to completely destroy him that's His business. still, i would question if that would "meet the definition" of "everything made new" and "all creation reconciled".
there is debate about the following, some claiming it means satan/demons etc., others (most) that it means only people. still a 3rd group would say just because a knee bows/tongue confesses, or that a "creature" praises God, "doesn't mean they're saved - it will be too late".
However, here are 2 of those scrips;
And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: ?Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever! and,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth.
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However, here are 2 of those scrips;
And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: ?Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever! and,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth.
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In verse ,3 of Rev.5 , no "Man"in heaven or on earth, nor under the earth was able to open the book,. Satan or his demons are not even considered in these matters. Jesus stood up and took the task on his shoulders, sacrifice himself for humans not demons. Nowhere in scripture does it say Jesus died for demons. Satan is not our brother ,oohhh do not call for that. He is a wild animal and wants to. Be lifted up in selfish worship. He is the chosen target for sin;. Sin nothing else.
In Revelation: 5:13-15 we really are looking at universal salvation from groups and creatures, except demons. Demons are not part of the citizenship of heaven.
All of Satans leaders are caught or killed. The angels and the saints are winning the war. Rev. 19th chapter. Satan and his demons are captured with absolutely no chance of survival , and no offer of salvation. They were created to die. It will require great strength for a being like God to kill all these demons.Whew, all this killing and death is defining . ALL this blood sweat and tears it makes me wish I could bust Satan on the head just once. just give me one good swing , it's good that we don't have to resort to such dire behavior.
God kills.by designed plans , never by emotion. God Grows weary of the killing. In Isaiah 57:16
In Rev.20:10 the devil is thrown into the lake of fire and stays there forevermore in torment. A serious fate
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In Rev.20:10 the devil is thrown into the lake of fire and stays there forevermore in torment. A serious fate
I am not a bleeding heart liberal for Satan's fate being reduced to death , I just recoil at the thought of eternal suffering for any being. A question then; which is worse, everlasting torment for satan or death? It's beyond me, I just can't see eternal suffering. It's a horrible thing.
Quote from: Mickiel on October 17, 2021, 10:06:13 PM
In Rev.20:10 the devil is thrown into the lake of fire and stays there forevermore in torment. A serious fate
"forevermore" is probably aionion or "age-during/age-lasting". :2c:
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In Rev.20:10 the devil is thrown into the lake of fire and stays there forevermore in torment. Aerious fate
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"forevermore" is probably aionion or "age-during/age-lasting". :2c:
I have never understood the aionion thing .Does it mean he may be eliminated at a later time? He is seized in Rev.20 and thrown into an abyss. Chained and stripped of his powers. Being chained suggest he must have incredible strength and use of his arms and hands. He is placed into an abyss and it is sealed And locked over him. Effectively keeping his powers to deceive useless. Why?
Why keep him there one thousand years then set him free? What spiritual benefits are in this?
Yeah, questions beyond anywhere near my full comprehension. But I do believe God uses the aions/ages in which to perform His specific purposes. Such as the age of Law/Jewish people, the age after the cross when the gospel came and is displayed in us Gentiles, then the millinium, etc, etc.. He's doing things in all this I can barely imagine. Some say it's a process of bringing in sons, then finally, bringing in all. All some sort of learning, regenerating process. Why He chooses these ways is unknown to me.
I believe God uses time or what you are calling aions to accomplish his will. Interesting.
Some may think I am making something out of nothing , but is this chain thing that gets me. Satan is bound with a great chain. All this technology one could imagine God using to subdue Satan, but their going to use a chain. Then hang him in a bottomless pit. Which has a top cover on it so he's enclosed with no way out. The lack of "The use of high technology," to prison Satan is puzzling. What their doing is almost barbarian.i mean Satan is being treated like an animal: well he is a dragon. It all smells like mythology. Chains, dragons, bottom less pits.
Okay now Satan is imprisoned 1000 years and I guess the kingdom is going about. It's merry way of love and learning. Lov, love. , joy , and then Satan is loosed, He gathers together an army of demons and deceived humans to attack the Holy city.
Who are these idiots that join with Satan? Some of us are just going to loose our minds. To side with Satan after all this pain and sorrow.God burns them all with fire. Good grief .
I have problems believing the first war in heaven. Now were having another.So I best start believing..in both wars evil gets slaughtered and destroyed.. it's as if He wants to do this twi/ce.if Satan is imprisoned in the lake of fire, we will always know he's there. Will he rise again? A very reasonable fear.If he is destroyed then end of story.
In Rev. ,12:7 there was. War in heaven. Michael and his angels fought the dragon and his angels. The demons lost and were cast out of heaven. In verse 10 it says now is come salvation so one benefit of this waring and fighting is salvation..
In Revelation 20:10 the devil is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are, they will never come out.. A prison of torment that is forecast to never end.. I don't understand much of this but I can see a lot of wiggle room to explain things in different directions.they got away with it twice before, but those days are over and this is final fatality. The beast, false prophet and Satan will never be seen again. They will not walk this earth again. Death and the grave joins their company. God finishes this tiresome task that has caused him much suffering.Praise his holy name, I just know he will be happy to seal the gate of these final four.
God's anger is coming to an end , but he will use it when he has to. Notice Jeremiah 32:37"Behold , I will gather them out of all countries , whiter I have driven them in mine anger , and in my fury and in my great wrath, I will bring them again unto this place and cause them to dwell safely. God using his anger for ultimate good. It's possible God will erase Satan from reality and even out of our minds. Isaiah 65:17,*For behold I create new heavens and a new earth. The former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
One thing I can say about God is you can observe the things he does and says and keep learning for years from just that one revelation
I would like to know why Satan was given a second chance to disrupt the kingdom and enter the minds of Kingdom citizens and make fools out of them. I am happy none of them are lost to perdictions. But it's embarrassing, like waking people out of sleeping and getting them all drunk, then making them fight for you. I guess one thousand years of kingdom living is not enough to defeat Satan on your own.
And Satan, good grief, what kind of general was he on the battlefield,? He took no time to plan his attacks. He had no strategy, he is so filled with rage he just tried to bull rush the Holy City. All that Wisdom he had and he couldn't control himself
The worst general in the battle. But he lost to the strength of salvation. He had absolutely no chance.
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The whole thousand year event is questionable but it does not effect salvation. Believers are hurt again , but still have their destiny with God.in Rev.20:10 the devil is tossed into a lake of fire an sulfur . They will be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages. Satan was loosed immediately begins his deception gathers together his army and marches accoss the earth . Fire comes down from heaven and the army is destroyed. Then we come down to Great White Throne judgement
In Rev.20;11-15 a judgement takes place. Much of Christianity points to this judgement as the sheep (believers), enter into eternal life, while the goats ,( unbelievers) are cast into eternal punishing. We who hold to universal salvation believe Christ righteousness has been imputed to all of humanity freely as a merciful gift of grace. Although there may be punishment, there will be no punishING.. no continual punishing. Jesus will take on all responsibility for sin, this guarantees salvation for all. The prologs like John 5:28-29 must be dealt with. As long as Jesus is speaking for sinners. , Their salvation is secure. He is our intercessor. Our redeemer and our savior. The death of Jesus was a ransom sacrifice that paid the debt on the souls of humanity as a result of inherited sin. Now humanity is full of hope and can be confidently secure In what Jesus has done on a world wide scale.Jesus looked up to all humans ever created and some angels may have said Lets go save a few ,,and Jesus said no let's save them. All.
Jesus was the only one who could save humanity, in Rev. 5:1-5
No one else could open this 📖 book God had. Vs 9, Jesus takes the book and opens it's seals. That redeemed every person, tongue ,kindred , and nation on earth. The question is did Jesus have the book of life.
In Rev. 20 We can at least count 3 books being opened , we know one is The book of life. Since it's called the book of life, we can assume that it is a record of all who lives through this unparalleled time of death and destruction. And all who died. One of the books may be the bible , that would make sense. I have no idea what the other books are. One may be a kingdom address book . If that much is true then it's a giant book. Let's us know where everyone is staying
What books would the Father have on that throne? We can start assuming again, spectating that God likes to read. He most likely likes to read the bible. The book of life probably thrills him. He may have written some of the books himself. Does heaven have a library? Wouldn't that be a great library. If your not going to have history, books are not so exciting. So heaven is primed for history.
This also means writing will be encouraged.
We may also assume that in a type of courtroom scene. , With judges and there will be books present. Nothing's unusual there. So the scene is set, all these books were opened, and judgement
Begins. The dead are judged out of those things which were written in ,"The Books'. So more than one book can be used to judge one person. So the book of life may be a catalog of life and living. One book may be a book of the dead ,. Vs 13. Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. Yet to this point no humans are thrown into the lake of fire. Now in verse 15 whoever was not found in in the book of life cast into the lake of fire. ,, But remember during all this time Jesus still holds the book of life. And no human has yet been tossed into the lake of fire as a final judgement. Jesus has that power in his hands . In Heb . 8:25.,"Wherefore he is also able to save them to the uttermost those that come unto God by him. Jesus has that book of life ,he holds all human life in his hands
Oh praise the plan of God! Our deal is with heaven and life, we then look for our saviour , Lord Jesus Christ, who shall change our vile body that it may be fashioned like his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able to subdue all in things to himself.
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Like many other kingdom life things , we need to always track the subject matter we are discussing for life , because it may be Alive. The book of Acts is called the living book of Acts. Everlasting peace comes last. But not without war. In Rev. 13:7 power is given to Satan to make war with the saints. Imagine that , you may be called to do battle with Satan and his demons. And we'll write a book of battle.
All hail our king and saviour Jesus , who rides the white horse.
And Christ has four angels who were specially prepared to kill. So were going to see what kind of general Michael is.just by reading about it Michael slaughters
The hord.and God's throne is directing this blowout.
Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all. To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.
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Some may think I am making something out of nothing , but is this chain thing that gets me. Satan is bound with a great chain. All this technology one could imagine God using to subdue Satan, but their going to use a chain. Then hang him in a bottomless pit. Which has a top cover on it so he's enclosed with no way out. The lack of "The use of high technology," to prison Satan is puzzling. What their doing is almost barbarian.i mean Satan is being treated like an animal: well he is a dragon. It all smells like mythology. Chains, dragons, bottom less pits.
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Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.
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Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.
I'm one for NOT believing in explaining away scripture. Still, I would wonder where the symbolism, metaphor, etc leads on this one. For instance, I don't think a spiritual being could be held with LITERAL chains....2 cents :)
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Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.
I'm one for NOT believing in explaining away scripture. Still, I would wonder where the symbolism, metaphor, etc leads on this one. For instance, I don't think a spiritual being could be held with LITERAL chains....2 cents :)
I question that myself , the chains are to bind him from movement too far in any direction. It is old school barbaric imprisonment, not that I think he deserves any better. I think it's God telling Satan 'Were going to do this the old way". The cylinder they place him into is then hung in mid air of a bottomless pit, no openings over his head, symbolizing a condensing of his deceptive powers , which is his strongest power.
I am one who is for explaining scripture , how can you explain something that you don't understand? We are to at least explain it if we can and say so When we can't. It's called "Rightly dividing the word that is truth." Or explaining it correctly.
What is revealed at Satan's imprisonment is a ripping away of his powers and insulting him by how this is done. One angel wraps a great chain around him. So it took only one great angel to subdue him, obvious insulting.i could go on and on about other methods they would have used, but they wanted this manner of imprisonment. It's embarrassing and has no honor in it. Satan has built up an amazing impressive guilty web of demonic deception unparalleled in history.
He has blinded all of religion and leads the world behind the seems. Destroyed the churches of the world and now wants God's church. Now God has cut that off and ruined all his years of deceit , wrapping him in a chain and hang him, dangle his arrogant hope's.in front of him.. Obviously the chains were specially prepared to hold him.One thing it could mean is Satan's "Size" ,being a dragon ,he could be enormous and have wings and several heads. He could be a giant , or just a small unnoticed thing.. Yet his powers to deceive is nothing to fool around with.which is why I think he should be escorted out of life.
In Rev.,20:-5-6, again the bible is salvaging souls everywhere it moves. So is Satan. But he cannot keep pace with salvation. In Rev.20;7, Satan is loosed , the 1000 years expires, i
Impressively Satan immediately blinds millions of humans to go-to war against the saints, but now God, for his own reasonant ,has had enough. In vs 9 the camp of the saints is surrounded , God dispenses fire comes down from heaven and kills them all
A lot of those books on the throne are flapping open now.
Now God's love is being introduced again. :friendstu:
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Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.
I'm one for NOT believing in explaining away scripture. Still, I would wonder where the symbolism, metaphor, etc leads on this one.
I am one who is for explaining scripture , how can you explain something that you don't understand? We are to at least explain it if we can and say so When we can't. It's called "Rightly dividing the word that is truth." Or explaining it correctly.
I said that clumsily. I meant, I believe we should believe scripture, not try to explain it away (make it to no effect, meaningless) as many do today. So by talking about symbolism/metaphor, I mean the scriptures are still true, but may take some interpretation/understanding (such as the "chains" reference).
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Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.
I'm one for NOT believing in explaining away scripture. Still, I would wonder where the symbolism, metaphor, etc leads on this one.
I am one who is for explaining scripture , how can you explain something that you don't understand? We are to at least explain it if we can and say so When we can't. It's called "Rightly dividing the word that is truth." Or explaining it correctly.
I said that clumsily. I meant, I believe we should believe scripture, not try to explain it away (make it to no effect, meaningless) as many do today. So by talking about symbolism/metaphor, I mean the scriptures are still true, but may take some interpretation/understanding (such as the "chains" reference).
I understand you. And understanding the scriptures is vital in our work. Interpretation of these scriptures opens the consciousness to the spiritual things what they may possibly mean, understanding explains them to ourselves and others. If we cannot explain something then we don't understand it.
The bible is giving out information and is open to understanding. It's knowledge is not sealed. Using chains to bind Satan is of interest, at least to me.The whole manner in which they used to bind him suggest that he is powerful. A great angel takes this great chain and wraps it all around him , this suggest that Satan is very strong. And he is also being humiliated by them chaining him and hanging him inside of some kind of cylinder. The cylinder has a top on it which is sealed. The seal is also meant to keep Satan's thoughts to himself. His thinking is his most powerful weapon. The scriptures let us know that Satan can no longer deceive the nation's, something about the top seal of the cylinder, or pit , cuts off Satan's ability to communicate with anyone.so for 1000 years Satan is mute , humiliated , powerless.its all very interesting.
God had Satan created , for a reason . He does things for a reason. In Isaiah 48:10-11. Behold I have refined you , but not with silver , I have chosen you in the furnace of affliction."For my own sake". Or for his own reasoning. We error when we don't understand his reasons for doing things. Like when he created Satan. Isaiah 54:16 Satan was created to destroy. Just imagine what his mind is like. Evil , hateful , distorted, great power charged to the negative. This imprisonment is embarrassing him. I use this scripture in Isaiah to show God is reasonant in his doings.. the verse is not referring to Satan. It shows God is a being of beautiful reason..
Now if God does not bind his mind and keep satan conscious during his imprisonment. He has one thousand years to plan his assault on the holy City. We already know from scripture that Satan's army is killed mercilessly.
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God had Satan created , for a reason . He does things for a reason. In Isaiah 48:10-11. Behold I have refined you , but not with silver , I have chosen you in the furnace of affliction."For my own sake". Or for his own reasoning. We error when we don't understand his reasons for doing things. Like when he created Satan. Isaiah 54:16 Satan was created to destroy. Just imagine what his mind is like. Evil , hateful , distorted, great power charged to the negative. This imprisonment is embarrassing him. I use this scripture in Isaiah to show God is reasonant in his doings.. the verse is not referring to Satan. It shows God is a being of beautiful reason..
Now if God does not bind his mind and keep satan conscious during his imprisonment. He has one thousand years to plan his assault on the holy City. We already know from scripture that Satan's army is killed mercilessly.
In Rev.20:9 Satan and his armada surround the Holy City for a massive attack. This reveals how powerful Satan's mind is , like unseen radar his powers to manipulate and deceive are unparalleled in this battle.He is loosed and insanely gathers his demons from wherever they were, most of them are probably dead. Enraged and out of his mind he just has his army bull rush the city. Fire comes down from heaven and destroys the doomed soldiers. Again Satan is seized and this time sentenced.
For my speculation to be right , Satan must be killed during the second death in Rev. 20:14
. But it never states that he is killed.
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For my speculation to be right , Satan must be killed during the second death in Rev. 20:14
. But it never states that he is killed.
In Rev.20:10 the devil, the beast and the the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire , we never hear from or see them again. They will not be seen walking in God's Kingdom. I can't make a strong case for Satan being killed using scripture , but that's the spectrum we must use. Now I am left with wondering why God would keep something around for an eternity that he does not like? I am very suspicious of that.
You know salvation is free , it in order to buttress that freedom , or support it , a universe of pain and death had to be. It cost God some pain and long-suffering. Yes God himself suffered with us. In Galatians 5:22 one of the fruit of the spirit , which all are God's ways and means, he lives by these fruit and has experienced each one. So God has suffered with this salvation a long time.All the killing and havoc , sickness, Satan and his evil, and finally sin.His holy goodness ,his big heart of mercy and love dragged through the Earth's mud. His reputation soiled by meaningless religions.
Christ beaten to death .Prophets and kings killed. Senior citizens slaughtered throughout history, God's knowledge of the truth being tampered with, the real gospel of universal salvation seems like it's been buried in the sand. In Job 36:26"Behold God is great, we know him not."THIS is why I am not worried about salvation.
Then Jesus had to be hung on a tree. Come on man, the bright and mourning star. He had to be killed. The holy of holies , salvation in his hands. And the spirit and the bride say come ,if you can hear and understand come, your invited let them come ,if your thisty come, and any of you can drink the water of life freely. Drink free salvation, and it's going to be some thirsty humans in and around that lake of fire. Whosever will has as wide scope on it
I wonder if the lake of the water of life is in close proximity of the lake of fire. Because when heaven says it's free I'll jump as high as I can and do a swan dive into the waters. Jump out of the fire and into free salvation waters where religion and religious people cannot interfere.
Okay let's say I am a gross unbelieving rank sinner and I am evil as hell. Just a selfish blasphemy type of spirit. And I manage to wiggle out of the lake of fire and the river of the waters of life is right next to the lake of fire. The path to it is clear, and narrow is the way, but the way is open and clear. I recall the old spiritual song,,"If you can't help me please don't block me,"move out of way, don't try to block me. Help me to freedom.
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The serious believers during Christ time some of them got selfish, Matt.23:13" ,Woe to you teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrite, you shut the door of heaven in people's faces."? Can you imagine that. Shut off salvation, put a price on it in. And control it. You won't go in yourselves but you still block others.
Jesus is the light which lights every human that comes into the world. Of his fullness we all have received, and grace for grace.
Look closely at Eph. 3:17-21, " I pray that you , being rooted and grounded In love,may have strength to comprehend with all the holy ones , what is the breath and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness God. Now unto him who is able to do far more abundantly than we all ask or think , according to the power at work within. We are filled and welcomed . The quality of our fruit baskets.The stage is set for the fullness of time. For time is being set his first fruits must be preserved. We are small and humbled, our efforts to pull people out of this lake of fire strong and serious
Salvation is the gift, God is the Father and J'most
The last days will be filled with mythical events. Paul was encouraging how they should live as children of the light. Sober and putting on the breastplate of faith and love
And for a helmet the hope of salvation. Salvation is to be our head protection and be sober minded.
The way Paul addressed them he wanted them to be in a safe place. God has appointed us to obtain salvation and live together with him.
For by grace we are saved through faith , and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. There is no need of you ,. Sensing the end times coming, trying to get salvation feathers to put in your hat. To help spread a new free gospel of love and strength.Salvation to only those who work with zeal and hard work. The pastor who whips his people and bleeds them can offer the church anything but confusion
No matter how much righteousness no you can generate we still need the holy spirit to show us how to live.
Salvation opens up the more you cling to God's heart .if I could but lead one person from evil . You learn salvation is not just what you know... It's what you do with what you know. If you are standing in the way of salvation just get out of the way l
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Okay let's say I am a gross unbelieving rank sinner and I am evil as hell. Just a selfish blasphemy type of spirit. And I manage to wiggle out of the lake of fire and the river of the waters of life is right next to the lake of fire. The path to it is clear, and narrow is the way, but the way is open and clear. I recall the old spiritual song,,"If you can't help me please don't block me,"move out of way, don't try to block me. Help me to freedom.
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yes ! :banana:
Salvation is strong and free. When you try to defend it you can be persecuted..violent people will come at you and see through your beliefs.we then must be for real. We need to stand up for all that we understand.. this incredible grace has heaven in joy. .if your sick your prayers are even more sweet to God
The account of all humans has the same result .No matter what situation you are in. ,Jesus life and death is what seals salvation. He is holding up the broken bridge and keeping the way to life open and free.
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Okay let's say I am a gross unbelieving rank sinner and I am evil as hell. Just a selfish blasphemy type of spirit. And I manage to wiggle out of the lake of fire and the river of the waters of life is right next to the lake of fire. The path to it is clear, and narrow is the way, but the way is open and clear. I recall the old spiritual song,,"If you can't help me please don't block me,"move out of way, don't try to block me. Help me to freedom.
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yes ! :banana:.what w
I wish we could have this on film. In basketball you want your star to take the most shots.he knows how get his points.with salvation you are the winner so just keep on pushing the converted people are the easiest to manipulate. . because they invest so much in their emotions that it blinds them and the new convert is left
In need.
Amazing grace how sweet the sound
That saved a wrench like me I once was lost but now
Found , blind but now I see.
The suffering has began , God wanted to experience it just to see for the world how deep sin is all it be or can be.
You know what grace it was for , God for to come into your life, but ,make sure it's. God, and don't rest yet
Oh how it can be when we partner with grace ,knowing how the results can be. When we say to ourselves that all things are made possible by the spirit of truth. the spirit of change is a powerful fruit right there, help is ready for you.
It I could be there and we observe what evil God would remove from me and what he would remove that was good I would be screaming _ "hey leave that alone and put more of that back. They would have to take me out of the room. I really don't know how to create character.
I am happy that in my experience, young people generally don't get involved with the perverted supply chain . But Satan wants young believers as well. He is hammering away at the pillers church , even before they know who they are.
The pillars church will know salvation through and through. They will understand the foundation of Gods true church
I had to rewrite this l, I had mistakenly wrote that they will know churches chicken 🐓. That's some good bird 🐦
But i can see a Little message in that differing chicken is like differing religions, and the people like the chicken.you go where you are drawn to go.
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But i can see a Little message in that differing chicken is like differing religions, and the people like the chicken.you go where you are drawn to go Satan knows this all too .well. The prosperity church has a deep conscious appealingly message that is giving people .a hope hope for wealth money is their God. That message is going to get through because of Satan's powers. At Jesus return will. He see this incredible deception eva is
Ok ok
That biblical verse applies to all church goers ,, they go where they are drawn to go..
Satan has me on the run , a slow run
So Satan will attack you one week, when the event is next week, so he. is softening.his Target now
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Yet Gods saving grace welcomes all, and we need that from him.,God helps us to relax. One
Satan cannot do any more than he is allowed.
1 Tim 1;20 " Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I deliver to the adversary, that they might be instructed not to speak evil."
Job can only be tested within parameters.
Satan is the current leader of this age, but that is to be done away with at the appointed time.
I stand firm with the armor of Christ; not mine.
Nothing can keep us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord- satan is one of those things.
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Satan cannot do any more than he is allowed.
1 Tim 1;20 " Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I deliver to the adversary, that they might be instructed not to speak evil."
Job can only be tested within parameters.
Satan is the current leader of this age, but that is to be done away with at the appointed time.
I stand firm with the armor of Christ; not mine.
Nothing can keep us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord- satan is one of those things.
Quote from: Ross on November 10, 2021, 09:35:34 AM
Satan cannot do any more than he is allowed.
1 Tim 1;20 " Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I deliver to the adversary, that they might be instructed not to speak evil."
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Job can only be tested within parameters.
Satan is the current leader of this age, but that is to be done away with at the appointed time.
I stand firm with the armor of Christ; not mine.
Nothing can keep us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord- satan is one of those things.
. Greetings, yes Job was protected, but not all of his children and animals were not.Job could not escape the evil of the time.
God bless you and keep you.
I think about the scripture how nothing can keep us from the love of God, that can mean a final outcome, a certain situation we got into, but it does not mean we shall never suffer or have hard times in this life , now if you have reached that level, excuse me I have never met anyone like that. Maybe I need to get out more.
One of the reasons I can relate to certain writers in the bible , they tell us the sin that griped their life, and salvation is still theirs freely. Oh boy if sin disqualified you from the kingdom,I couldn't make it through the back door.That grace overshadows any thing
The miracle of salvation must keep the credit on God and Christ, they can be our reason for being in the house.. no cross no crown he is out invitation. Some may ask "Who are you , you then tell them I am the son of God, and they will serve you the
Rest of the night.
We have salvation back up in our lives,,. The best coverage ever, unlimited. And we have special coverage, even for scared believers. Look at 2 Peter 2:11. Notice how some angels were created to be destroyed. Vs, 12, the term, * Made", here means eliminated, another hint about Satan's ending.
So let not your heart be troubled ,Christ is redeeming us to himself,
Most humans must live out their lives blinded to the truth. the God of this world has blinded them. 2 Corinth.,4;4, he then has more. Humans than anyone , it's why he is so vain. So vain and stupid spiritually.
We are in a position that when we fail, we have an advocate , Jesus Christ, we were given him at no fee to us,. That's love man,, that's mercy and grace combined for all. You tell me I won the jack pot, then you want it all. When it comes to money humanity has no problem receiving it at all. Salvation is greater than money and some can't believe it.
Jesus got the same sentence for everyone , all humans are not guilty,! We did not dodge a bullet , Jesus took that bullet within himself The bullet killed him. He gave his life for all of humanity
l have problems understanding why there is a need for this ,1000 year period to come , I can't explain it. I have no biblical way of explaining it to myself or others
I can offer some speculation on it., If it were true. One reason is that God is trying to apostrophe human history. And use one thousand years for finalization to flesh. And open class to a new knowledge. Or put us in stasis and program our conscious.
In the millennial the theme seems to be discharge of fulfilled unnecessary . To conclude and abandon some of history, consuming others so we are taught In the Kingdom of God that knowledge now must he gained, not given anymore. And we must perform. We must learn to share. This may be a consummate
Performance in millennial human change.
I'll offer another guess again from Revelations . All the worldly positions of leadership is now dead And imprisoned
How they spend the rest of their time is not important.
Thus the one thousand years are not important
If you remove from Revelations all verses that mention Satan changes. Nothing can effect salvation
Here's a guess for the pure I'm heart ❤️you believe so deeply at least just the strong demons are assigned to you..so you figure God needs you in this war ,your right Satan and this group will fight fervidly and wild
You you think any demons wll be killed in this war,?
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Here's one that caught me for some years. I could not yet explain the existence of cave men in prehistoric times so I said they were. Experiments . Just God seeing how his clay responds. So I said the humans during that that thousand year period were clay that God kept refining Making changes with. Fine tuning that he did not want demonic meddling around.
God IS love
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God IS love
God most definitely is love. I have been digging at him for an over 50 years , asking for more insight on his love 💕
People say God never changes. Some things about him never changes but not all things. God has an amazing diversity of power and gifts. Love is a fruit of the spirit . It's constant and continual. And it's unique. Notice how the church changes and that change is because the church is led to change , any kind of change.
Could be changing your church service from boring to the excitement of the present age.
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God IS love
God most definitely is love. I have been digging at him for an over 50 years , asking for more insight on his love 💕
People say God never changes. Some things about him never changes but not all things. God has an amazing diversity of power and gifts. Love is a fruit of the spirit . It's constant and continual. And it's unique. Notice how the church changes and that change is because the church is led to change , any kind of change.
Could be changing your church service from boring to the excitement of the present age.
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Amen !
Yes God is love and among his main concern is that we all realize
His concerns are valid plans for our salvation and he makes Christ aware of his every move. This is how the universe was formed. It's how we learned to exist and move
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Jesus has been well advised by the Father. He has been well advised , as he creates and judges , he has Jesus in his pocket so he judges , he has what Jesus needs , what we need and the Father engulfs and passes judgement . All this is then engulfed by the Father and Christ. We learn through all this and will see salvation and better understand it. If we really understood salvation we breath the fresh and are drawn to any plan God
The reality of having the spirits of Christ and God. The only changes that we need placed into our hearts by God and Christ
No confusion can abide in anyone. In John 12:47 , in amazing response both God and Christ state that any sinner
Quote from: Mickiel on December 07, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
The reality of having the spirits of Christ and God. The only changes that we need placed into our hearts by God and Christ
No confusion can abide in anyone. In John 12:47 , in amazing response both God and Christ state that any sinner
He states in John ,12:47 that you can actually hear the gospel truth and not believe it , and he said so wonderfully that he does not judge you, because he did not come to earth to judge sinners and unbelievers , he came to save them. This is in Gods folder, it's in one of the books that records salvation
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The reality of having the spirits of Christ and God. The only changes that we need placed into our hearts by God and Christ
No confusion can abide in anyone. In John 12:47 , in amazing response both God and Christ state that any sinner
He states in John ,12:47 that you can actually hear the gospel truth and not believe it , and he said so wonderfully that he does not judge you, because he did not come to earth to judge sinners and unbelievers , he came to save them. This is in Gods folder, it's in one of the books that records salvation
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This is good news for unbelievers , it clearly reveals that Jesus came for those who are lost , that the innards of salvation is an incredible healing balm that Christ has administered to all. There is a balm in Gilead. There is a physician there
All is possible is also a tenant of salvation. Explain to yourself how salvation for unbelievers could be impossible , or for sinners. You cannot write on A chalkboard a list of how we cannot be saved.
With all the billions of humans God has saved, he can illaford to judge them one by one, I mean he may, but I think he will judge , just pour out his spirit over large groups. He has so much to give. So much love he wants us to know and share with him,
He will get personal with us later.
A football stadium full of ten thousand people would seem like everyone on earth is there.Do you realize how many humans will be there? Tens and billions of tens will be there. I am up hill of salvations down hill scope.We have seen and do testify
That salvation is free and it is coming. It will find you don't worry about how you will find it.This celebration in heaven will be so grand and joyful , that many will want it to last forever. A joyful occasion for all..
By now John was thrilled , nervous , just overwhelmed with the things shown to him. In Rev. 22: 20-,21 To those who testify, Tell them this storyline of all ages , Jesus is coming quickly , the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all, Amen, These are the last record of John and he sends it out to all! God bless the Lamb.
Salvation has it's simple definition , we just don't know how to understand him. He thunders marvelously with his voice that we cannot keep up with. Job 37 :5
Yet notice closely verse 7. He seals up the hand of every man. That all. Men may know his work.. interesting revelation .that all men may know his work, that right there woul look good global if God decides to do it .
Oh how glorious it shall be. What Job says taps out what , John said
Now it's becoming open knowledge. Rev. 22:9-20 seal not the saying's of this book. Thousands are stilll coming in.
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I tell you I could not be a gate keeper, people would be running 🎽 trying to get in and i would be looking At those demons and might just chang.e my mind
In Rev ,,22:16 Jesus involves our names with the Holy City. We will. , In verse 19, I wonder what part we will Play
I think about God , Jesus , the Holy Spirit or scriptures , every day. It's just a continuous thing in my head. It has more power over me than anything else. More traction , more attention and I have done it for so long. , It's become natural. Now when I do not do those things it feels unnatural . Over fifty years of walking this way. So when the Holy Spirit does visit me ,it's add or subtract. and to feel about universal gospel salvation like I do , I know then that the spirit knows me and my limits. God and Christ know how to get to me. The Holy Spirit knows it has to swim. Through sin and confusion to get to me. With some believers it's just a 50 yard dash, with me it's perhaps a one mile run with hurdles to jump over. Yet my belief in universal salvation is constantly growing
I see things on cable news that are obviously wrong,, then they look to religions on occasion and they just make it worse. It's like I think to myself ,, Father God why do you let these clowns get away with this?! I just end up asking for comfort
And the Spirit is good at that. Lamentation ,,3:25-26. Hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the Lord.
I just stick my head in the sand.
Amen to the brethren as we walk out our lives in service to The Great one. We 💕 love our Father and his holy Son . May the Lord watch between me and thee . While we are absent one from another, Amen.
After all has been said and done there is only one way to direct men , there is no other way to direct them and that is to Jesus Christ. No other name under heaven whereby we can be saved. Acts 4, and 12,==no other name can have salvation.
Any other way salvation is vain. God will forgive. Jeremiah 3 /19-24. Salvation can be in vain and, If your view of it is in vain. verse 23,.God must be the hope for salvation.
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Any other way salvation is vain. God will forgive. Jeremiah 3 /19-24. Salvation can be in vain and, If your view of it is in vain. verse 23,.God must be the hope for salvation.
When salvation is a vanity it's only for a lifetime ,God has it preserved for the next life , hope never has a grave in salvation.
In Psalms 123 the ,2nd verse, they that Wait on the Lord shall renew their strength,,/ we wait on our salvation , and it's only natural that we grow weary, and God knows what that is like. He will renew our strength.
Quote from: Mickiel on December 26, 2021, 11:45:35 PM
In Psalms 123 the ,2nd verse, they that Wait on the Lord shall renew their strength,,/ we wait on our salvation , and it's only natural that we grow weary, and God knows what that is like. He will renew our strength. Quote
To renew your strength literally means to exchange your strength for something better. We wait on God and many of us dread waiting , but it can be a good thing. The Hebrew word translated as wait also means hope for and anticipate. To trust in God and hope in him requires faith. Faith is perhaps my greatest weakness. I constantly appeal for it. Planting and nursing these things can fill your time.
But the end of our faith , we receive the salvation of our souls
Look at ,,,1Pet. ,1:5-9 we are kept by the power of God through Faith unto salvation , praise and honor and Glory at the appearance of Christ
We have not seen yet we believe , that belief brings joy unspeakable. Belief is a key to happiness and joy and having a right spirit,
Faith ,prayer and belief are three strong tenants of salvation and suffering. We are really tried by sin and even just the temptation of it. James 1: 1-3, James said to count it all joy when we come into temptations , ,- whew, who has grown to that point , and yet the trying of your faith works patience into you.
Look at 1 Pet. 1: 6-8. Our faith will be tried with fire
and at the end of that road Is salvation.
Tell God you believe , but help your unbelief. Ask him to form and shape your belief , to take you to deeper levels in it. To walk in ways that please him. Pray for trust in him"deeper trust". In Prob.3:5-6, trust in God with ALL your heart ( open those walls in your belief, those walls that block the whole heart , and strip ourself bear . Lean not on your own understanding, ask him to help you draw back from your intelligence being depended on too much. And In all your ways acknowledge him ,stop trying to control this, learn his lead. Let him lead and he will direct your path.
Lord I believe, but help my unbelief. I think we should pray this often. Not In some kind of religious vain repetition. This is why I said we need to ask God to teach us how to pray. The devil looks to gain advantage on the believer who does not understand prayer, or communication with God. Our hearts need to be for real and sincere , nothing wavering. It's like having a Father and not knowing how to talk to him.
In Isaiah 29:13 God says some people ( or believers), come near to him with their mouth and honor him with their lips , ( or their prayers), but their hearts are far from me. Most of our prayers need to be deep communication with God. This is so Important to our spiritual development. For example , we are universalist , how can we believe and teach that salvation is ours , if you have little nagging doubts about your own?
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Lord I believe, but help my unbelief. I think we should pray this often. Not In some kind of religious vain repetition. This is why I said we need to ask God to teach us how to pray. The devil looks to gain advantage on the believer who does not understand prayer, or communication with God. Our hearts need to be for real and sincere , nothing wavering. It's like having a Father and not knowing how to talk to him.
In Isaiah 29:13 God says some people ( or believers), come near to him with their mouth and honor him with their lips , ( or their prayers), but their hearts are far from me. Most of our prayers need to be deep communication with God. This is so Important to our spiritual development. For example , we are universalist , how can we believe and teach that salvation is ours , if you have little nagging doubts about your own?
I have had that problem over the years. I found it very easy for me to teach Universalism , very easy to tell others they are already saved , it's Gods free love gift to them. But wen it came to me believing that I have eternal forgiveness as an inheritance , I always had these belief weaknesses within me. I would think about all the sin in my life's history, just years and years of sin , and they haunted me. I knew I was so unworthy. And this has hurt me deeply for years , and I prayed a lot of "Wet prayers", crying like the baby in Christ I was. And oh how Satan knew how to get into my prayers.
I had to learn that this problem involves faith , patience , prayer , and a type of repitition from God. O God often needed to do this for me , over and over again. I would get the same sickness over and over again, and he ALWAYS healed me.,10 ,20, ,30 times the same thing and each time I had my doubts and fears. This can really mess with your head. And your prayers. So I eventually grew tired of this and turned up the volume in my prayers, say 'Hey I am your son and I am tired of unbelief. I don't want ANY doubts was my constant prayer, slowly it's getting better. I learned how to handle Satan as he sneaks in my communication with the Father. Doubt can be a major mind bender. Having an unforgiving spirit can spoil prayer's. I don't know it's unreal to think this problem is not real or important. Satan is like a rat that never passes up a crumb. We have to believe in forgiveness. And grace as well, all these are are important to a mind that believes in salvation being free and for everyone- no matter what they have done or are doing. Whew how Satan can compound confusion within this.
Faith is God believing your prayer , but it is also you believing your prayer. You should know your prayer ,some start praying and forget what they were going to say. Believe in your prayers. Belief is a state of habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in God. Some common synonyms of faith is belief. We have to believe God forgives serial killers. Our belief has to be dragged trough credence and credit , remembering that
When we pray to God we are asking his assent to the truth of something offered for acception.faith almost always implies certitude , even where there is no evidence or proof . That's partly what belief means , a person who has faith in something.
In Rom. 1:16, we see the point again coming out. Even though salvation is absolutely free . And it stresses that the power of God is into salvation or towards salvation. Into or unto , either can be prepositioned . We cannot be ashamed of this gospel, it is the power of God "unto" salvation, faith, belief , the righteousness of God gives us the faith , the blood of Christ has sanctified our lives and we begin to live by faith. God will begin to show us things. In Phil. 2:12-16we can take parts or roles in this. Working out your own salvation, or working out your own style, be active ,. And never forget it is God which works in you both the will , and to do his good pleasure. The right mind and the spiritual development as we actively do his will. This can be exciting change In the midst of darkness we become lights that move and help people , not a lamp light that sits on the table ,our seniors can do that, because that motionless lamp can provide light to people and our seniors can impart wisdom to people, especially young people. But I have see some energetic seniors.
The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. And Jesus is the door. Oh many of us , often salvation is just a short distance and death awaits inside the door, or great blessing. Depending on your path. lts just not all the same. At the crucifixion Jesus took one thief and left one behind. I wonder how he took that strange hard destiny. Hey don't leave me. These kinds of events have damaging effects on many believers. They don't want to die. Even know that Jesus has another door waiting for him.us all. If death appeared to me and had two swords. So he hands me a sword. He states through that door is life , and the other death.i 🤔 if I would fight. Or step aside and let Christ fight the battle. My conclusion , step asidel. and watch the glory of God ,Jesus is finished means whoever has not submitted to him is doomed, and grace at every corner awaits them. I think only the behemoth of salvation Will
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To those who are doomed , you refused to listen. To three who have the human
race under control. You have a pardon coming to you. the all father , Jesus , and the enigmatic Holy Spirit have spared your lives.. now , is your day of salvation. The mysterious Holy Spirit will be here on that great day of salvation, trying to comfort all that he can, and the way I have seen in scripture, there is no limit as to what the stunning and responsible Holy Spirit will do.
Transformed. all of the heavenly host will be there.
aye..the Doomed have Hope !
Now we will be transform to the identity we have in Christ on the kingdom report. Jesus has gathered us all together and as in the book of Acts , The Holy Spirit will be casted on us all.., Acts 2:17., No select groups or churches
all the sinners will have to there part in this great salvation all have sinned , this all will be quicker than I first believed. This is no hop, skip then jump get judged..
All this is yet another planned event. The plan is and always has been salvation. Gods ace in the hole is Jesus relationship with the Holy Spirit. Theirs something there. God will flattened this world and only what you dob?7
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Now we will be transform to the identity we have in Christ on the kingdom report. Jesus has gathered us all together and as in the book of Acts , The Holy Spirit will be casted on us all.., Acts 2:17., No select groups or churches
all the sinners will have to there part in this great salvation all have sinned , this all will be quicker than I first believed. This is no hop, skip then jump get judged..
All this is yet another planned event. The plan is and always has been salvation. Gods ace in the hole is Jesus relationship with the Holy Spirit. Theirs something there. God will flattened this world and only what you dob?7
Only what you do for Christ will last. Your new form is being constructively made in heaven now. You will be born again but recognized
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Now we will be transform to the identity we have in Christ on the kingdom report. Jesus has gathered us all together and as in the book of Acts , The Holy Spirit will be casted on us all.., Acts 2:17., No select groups or churches
all the sinners will have to there part in this great salvation all have sinned , this all will be quicker than I first believed. This is no hop, skip then jump get judged..
All this is yet another planned event. The plan is and always has been salvation. Gods ace in the hole is Jesus relationship with the Holy Spirit. Theirs something there. God will flattened this world and only what you dob?7
Only what you do for Christ will last. Your new form is being constructively made in heaven now. You will be born again but recognized
'Your new form is being constructively made in heaven now'...interesting...Scriptural reference for this ?...thanks !.
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Now we will be transform to the identity we have in Christ on the kingdom report. Jesus has gathered us all together and as in the book of Acts , The Holy Spirit will be casted on us all.., Acts 2:17., No select groups or churches
all the sinners will have to there part in this great salvation all have sinned , this all will be quicker than I first believed. This is no hop, skip then jump get judged..
All this is yet another planned event. The plan is and always has been salvation. Gods ace in the hole is Jesus relationship with the Holy Spirit. Theirs something there. God will flattened this world and only what you dob?7
Only what you do for Christ will last. Your new form is being constructively made in heaven now. You will be born again but recognized
'Your new form is being constructively made in heaven now'...interesting...Scriptural reference for this ?...thanks !.
In John 14 :3 Jesus said he went back to heaven to prepare a place for us. Explain to yourself why Jesus would construct things in heaven for us , and give us the same old body? We can also look at 1Corinth. 15:52 where we are changed in the instant. we will have incorruptible forms designed by Christ himself. Explain to yourself why Jesus would wait for that moment to design our forms? No, he is doing that now. In 1Corinth.15:52 says we all shall be changed but not into the same imagery. We will not be exact clones.
In Phil. 3:21 Christ will transform our Bodies into another body like his. The form is totally new , but you must use common sense in pulling this out of scripture. It makes more sense to design billions of forms for us now, than to wait until that great day.
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Now we will be transform to the identity we have in Christ on the kingdom report. Jesus has gathered us all together and as in the book of Acts , The Holy Spirit will be casted on us all.., Acts 2:17., No select groups or churches
all the sinners will have to there part in this great salvation all have sinned , this all will be quicker than I first believed. This is no hop, skip then jump get judged..
All this is yet another planned event. The plan is and always has been salvation. Gods ace in the hole is Jesus relationship with the Holy Spirit. Theirs something there. God will flattened this world and only what you dob?7
Only what you do for Christ will last. Your new form is being constructively made in heaven now. You will be born again but recognized
'Your new form is being constructively made in heaven now'...interesting...Scriptural reference for this ?...thanks !.
We again can 'Pull this out of scripture', 1Corinth.15:53 "For this corruptible must "Put on" incorruptible. Notice the use of "Put On", that implies something already made. We can put on shoes, we can put on hats , we can put on things that are already made. So we can assume our bodies are already made. , And feel safe assuming that from these few scriptures.
In 2 Corinth. ,5 ;1 we can see God is building things without hands., Read the whole chapter.. in verse 2 we groan to be clothed, that clothed is God created bodies. Being unclothed means still in the flesh.
Also to consider , 1Thes. :14-17 I don't know all the reasons why God delays his return, but for sure is that he still wants increase in the number of citizens , and he is still constructing the new kingdom. We can also safely assume that the fact that the resurrection will happen at the return of Christ means that glorification will be a corporate reality and not an individual experience that happens to each believer. We'll all be raised into glory together. So the bodies must have already been prepared.
So again I am trying to show you other ways to pull meaning out of scripture, without changing it. Look at Dan. 12:13, " it as for you go your way to the end , then you'll enter into rest and rise again for your "Allowed portion" at the end of the age. The allotted portion refered to here are your house, land and new body. Yes even the house and land will be absolutely new. Our spirit , consciousness, all these unseen elements of the Kingdom, will be joined together with our new spirit, and placed into the body.
In 1John chapter 3, "Now we are the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be, when he does appear , we shall be like him, or similar to him , we shall see him as he'is." Again not clones of Jesus , family of Jesus
In Heb.11:40, God having provided something better for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. That God providing something "better and made perfect", is talking about the new Birth body made perfect. We know this is a kingdom spirit made body because a body cannot be made perfect in the flesh. A spirit body. Here again is the message that God is still perfecting , or still designing perfect bodies for the Kingdom.
Notice Phil. 3:21"In heaven Christ will transform our lowly bodies so that they can be like his."In Psalm 102:18, this verse seems to indicate that the generations to come ,both past and present , Are still being created.
Remember with God we need to understand that we can use many scriptures just to pull out one piece of Revelation about him. He truly is mysterious. But he created mankind and all of heaven rejoiced. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.God and Christ designed us one by one.In Psalms 149 is a good place to help in this understanding.
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In 1John chapter 3, "Now we are the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be, when he does appear , we shall be like him, or similar to him , we shall see him as he'is." Again not clones of Jesus , family of Jesus
We are living in incredible times. God has made known his salvation., In Hebrew
God is saving new groups to praise him and God is delivering salvation to a group growing old.creating Behind the scenes. Not asking for our opinion.
In1John 3,now are we the sons of God lol , and it does not yet appear what we shall be like. They have not yet received the new body.
Until we are given our new body , it is either not finished yet , or not the time to transport your consciousness into the finale work of God. Which could mean your dead or sleep. It is appointed unto men once to die , and after this the judgment. Heb. 9:27.So the believers may be yet dead, but Christ is alive and working on their bodies , houses and land.
This is stunning! While we were still sinning , still sinners: Christ died for us. Our life insurance is astounding Rom.5: 8. God is seriously working on our future. Jeremiah 29:11 God says that he has plans for us. We need not fear death and restriction.
Really the terms "Spiritual- body, " are contradiction ,spirit form is far more
accurate. Flesh is flesh, spirit is spirit. The physical body is what you see now , various elements of matter, arranged by Christ. Your spiritual body, or form, does not have the same elements of matter. Physical and spiritual forms do not interact with each other. Not in my view. What we experience in the physical can be experienced through the senses. Only our consciousness can appeal to the spirit. In 1 Corinth 15:52-58 Again the terms "Put on" incorruptible , mortal put on immortality.
So then death of the physical body must be considered a victory. The being changed in the twinkling of an eye , is your consciousness being transformed into a new spirit form. A spirit form that I think is already waiting on you.
In John I4:3: notice Jesus teaching that he is going to prepare a place for us. We can safely assume he means mansions , which are dwellings , very large residence. Let's . Only for numerical speculation let's say that the building of these places began when Jesus left earth over 2,000 years ago in heaven. Now this is speculation to stimulate a conversation. So then one of the things Jesus has been doing is building. So we can say that the large dwellings will be finished before the last great day. We'll conversely we can say that the spirit forms of all fleshy humans will also be completed. The real emphasis is humanity, not buildings. But the renewal of the universe will be staggering , it makes sense to assume that God has already bought much of that online. 1Corith.15:22 "For in Adam all die , even so in Christ all shall be made alive". The physical bodies brought back online in order to be changed and born again. These will be whole transfers of flesh to spirit. No weird mixture of the two.
In 1Corinth. 15:40-50. In verse 44 it clearly states that there are natural, or fleshy bodies, and there are spiritual bodies. In verse 51 -52 that if God wanted two. , He could do all this is in moments, just as he could have created the universe in seconds. For this and other reasons I will show, I Believe that being born again means exactly that,the believer has undergone a whole new Birth. Not some weird mixture of the two.
This is another topic that can appear difficult. We tend to think that God needs to rush everything he does. like the creation of the universe . That may have taken millions of years, if we go by earth time. We'll it did take millions of earth years. That shows how patience with God is nothing like human patience. Archaeology reveals much about God if you read him into it. Like incredible androids , all humans have a spirit form made in heaven.
In the 23rd Psalm David said That God prepares a table before him , Universalism, in the presence of his enemies , anointed him with with oil, gives him what he needed. We will dwell in the house of God forever.
to think God will do All these things during the end time at the pop of his fingers is poor translation.
You ever get that feeling that you should be doing something, yet the more conscious we become of sin and it's evasiveness , we can understand that we need God to navigate our lives to walk by faith , or just face a ton of guilt you must carry. Satan wants that desire you have to good , to be spoiled and riddled in sadness, knowing our salvation is nearer than ever before. I am truly saddened that I seem to need so much from God , and THAT'S the trap ,that's the hole Satan wants us in. So instead of asking for the same thing from God , you just do nothing.
Satan wants us to get Tangled in our own prayers. He's trying to get you to stop praying. So we can ask all-day long, keep asking and you will receive,Matt. 7:7, We any to be bold in our prayers , we already have a pot of gold locked away and secured in heaven. Whatever is in your heart , deserves prayer. I know it's rough holding on to this view of universal salvation. If you feel that your prayers are too repetitive , you just need to give those thoughts over to God and ask him to explain them to your learning. Ask the Spirit to uncover every hidden corner of sin in your consciousness. God is overjoyed in wanting to help you..
Salvation should be motivation to see Jesus has cornered the market on atonement and the demonic world hates this.Every time we pray it slaps Satan in the mouth. But don't allow your sin to shut up your prayers. I wish I could hear more prayers than I do. Just to listen at how others communicate with God. I bet many of you has had a good talk with God. Some of us can come through a stampede of demons , and tell them a thing or two about our sponsor Jesus. Universal salvation is so large and unique , the love it will one day generate will encompass the universe. So let God and Christ handle your future. We may seem like we are imprisoned , it's only to the degree of helping you. Often I just don't understand God or his thoughts , their just not like ours.
I remember in times past I thought I was sharing new knowledge, then years later find out that I was as wrong as dead fleas. Now I just follow God around hoping to learn from the crumbs that fall off the table. Follow God, we got nothing better to do.
To believe in Universal salvation , your belief system will be taxed to it's maximum. you have to see unlimited grace and your conscience understanding will be moved to see more forgiveness of sin to it's maximum and more. Your mind will be stretched in it's concept of total love for all humans ,and no matter how corrupt the human sinner, your insight into how much Christ will forgive must be endless. The universal heart must begin to beat for all humans , including yours. The universal belief system is all inclusive , so the mind will be taxed to it's limit in it's temptation to condemn , the natural tendency is to judge harshly , In John 12:47 Jesus did not come to judge the world which is natural tendency to section off salvation , but he came to save the world, which is unatural tendency taxed beyond limitations.
Universal salvation is taxing, hardly anyone believes it. It's mentally demanding. This salvation will make demands on one's skill , attention and interest being stretched to full capacity in your standards. it will make serious demands in you forgiving yourself. The standard of evil interference in your belief will be great, because a great evil being is seriously looking to eliminate your faith, which is taxing. True salvation imputes no sin , and Satan will do anything to change the truth.
Satan seems to change the theology of truth by mixing it with lies. A biblical theology of Satan is to place a Trojan horse inside of any righteous place or person. Satan has a relationship with unbelievers, and he wants to partner with you. This being has manuvered himself into the terrain of the bible itself. He has built an unstable biblical theology, positioning himself for an all out war on belief. To disarm belief. Even a true believer can have a guilty conscience , having a had time looking at their past sins , because sin is so ugly and can stain a good hearted believer.
Jesus made a spectacle of Satan by defeating him on the cross. Yet Satan knows how powerful the doctrine of Universalism is. So he does not act in isolation, but has organized and mobilized a rebel Amy to go after the pall bearers of truth. He is relentless , even going after a believer who has gone to bed for relaxing sleep, but be not dismayed , Jesus is invincible and procured our deliverance.
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In Romans 1:25 ,they exchanged the Truth about God into a lie. Vs 21- these believers knew God, but their hearts became foolish, and that led to vain imagination ,and their hearts were darkened. Claiming themselves to be wise, they became fools. The seduction of the believers mind is tragic. In them something other than the truth is being formed. The redemption of faith is twisted . Now they begin to boast , being justified by their belief system, grace through the redemption of Christ is distorted , and grace is separated from redemption. Salvation is a smorgusborg of grace, redemption and forgiveness. There are no other ingredients in the merciful pie 🥧 of salvation. None that extract from the truth.
Salvation is not some kind of doctrine that is too good to be true. It's just really is too good to be true to believers who have been salvation starved. They try to give unbelievers a hard time and steal their get out of jail free card. They have a hard time .mostly from other believers who are seriously handcaped. There exist a very hardcore fight between these two points of view. A tug of war between factions. In Luke 5:32 Jesus revels that he came not to call one of these factions of believers , but to call sinners , or unbelievers , to repentance. The true scope of salvation is that it is for all sinners and in Romans 3:23 that all have sinned, so that all will be called. It's a done deal no matter how much believers fight each other. That fight is just a smokescreen. And the whole world has been mined with deadly bombs set to go off when a believer is called to the truth.
God is our rock and fortress, Prov. 31:3 for the sake of his name , lead and guide us. We have to take this to heart , our deepest belief comes from our heart , or our consciousness , and above all else , guard your heart , for everything we do flows from it. Prov. 4:23. A spiritual heart is the supreme consciousness. All our thoughts , emotions , sensations guide us in the inner and outer dimensions of our known thought processing the spiritual screen of sights and experiences. It is through the heart that we receive righteousness , righteousness cannot come from a wicked heart.
If you ever watched lions go for the kill by biting the neck of its prey , Satan will always go for the heart , the consciousness of the human. The spiritual heart is the key to understanding universal salvation, receiving our deepest fulfillment and the doorway to experiencing profound peace , gratitude , joy , safety and unconditional love. And your whole armour of God is already made, your spirit is in conjunction with that heavenly garment can fit you one by one, always ready to fit you with each fruit of the spirit.
I have known some wicked people , and surprisingly some will listen , and ask some stunning questions. I used to go to prisons and testify. Whew man , some of them were rough. They would tell us the worst hall is the100th hall. I remember walking down that corridor, a bit scared and nervous. Some real wicked people were there , so bad they would never let them leave. I remember one prisoner was frightening. He robbed a store and killed all the employees and customers, just killed everyone. I asked him why kill so many people, he simply said "Because they were there." Oh I was ready to leave then. Im thinking ,( man let me out of this place). Then the guy said he would come to church with me. The other church members said, hey ,you got saving power. I never went back in there. I was only 19.
They used to tell me only what I do for Christ will last. I told them I think it's best to leave that one alone. But I would tell them they all are saved and That God is the Savior of all men, especially those who believe. I told them that the first part of that verse includes everyone in this jail. Jesus gave himself a ransom for all prisoner's..That he is hope. I started to get more comfortable the more I
talked . I started doing more witnessing, it became fun and more meaningful. But I still never went back to that prison. Universalist don't do much witnessing , those Jehovah Witnesses are witnessing all over the globe. They don't know much truth, but what little they know, they go door to door and witness. I tried it a few times with some friends I know who are Witnesses . It never worked because my belief was not like theirs.so they decided I had to go. And put me out.
I. Remember going to God and asking why I never fit into any church.i did not know till years later that God had other plans for me.
Some of the jailed men acted like they hated us I think partly because my consultants we're teaching damnation.. in the end of that experience I had with the JWs , they and some of the prisoners just hated me. John 15:19 Jesus taught that if you were of he world it would embrace you , and conversely if your not of the world it would hate you
So I tried the 7th day Adventist group , I was yanked out of there in a month , and not by another church. I ignored why God pulled me out of the 7th day Adventists , and joined the world wide church. I was so impressed with them that I stayed about 20 years. I really liked some of them, to this day I keeping touch with many of them, and they know I am not returning. They had a big war in their church and split into may different factions. They had their "First falling away", ln their minds the split proved they were Gods chosen ones. The Jehovah witnesses and worldwide church of God really believe that. And if you don't they put you out. Many churches believe themselves to be Gods chosen people. The churches are not but the people are. All churches of the world are Gods people , they just can't deal with this powerful dynamic of truth that mutes thier doctrines that For demands they give up and turn away from these distorted doctrines .
All these believers stuck to their churches , they are lost and turned out . The salvation bus will pick them up last but God will greet them first in the kingdom.
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All these believers stuck to their churches , they are lost and turned out . The salvation bus will pick them up last but God will greet them first in the kingdom.
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The phrase " the first shall be last, and the last first could have something to do with God and Christ being Alpha and Omega. They're also the first and the last. It could also mean that the first ones called and chosen , will be the last ones to understand the whole truth. It could mean the last called will be the first chosen. I don't know, I am unsure about it. What do you think.
Not many wise people are called, not many noble are called. He chose the weak ,the base things , the foolish things. Base things means the lowest part. I wonder what difference it would make when any human beings like this are first or last. If you been called and chosen your a case job. Nothing to take pride in.
In 1Corinth. 1:27 these moves made here are not checkers , it's more like chess.God moves his installment of shame to effect the wise thinking.God moves the weak pieces to confound the mighty. He's winning the game when he should be loosing. But they are trying to beat God with intelligence , wealth , and their nobility to obtain the calling. They're totally opposite to what God is looking for. He's calling the foolish, the term used for foolishness is the English word "Moron".
Gives you something to think about doesn't it. But not everyone called is like that , God is more interested in how people perceive them. And the way he wants those called to behave themselves.
In this spiritual chess one of your moves needs to be 1Pet.5:6 , Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God. That he may exalt you in due time. God loves to give grace. He resist the proud and gives grace to the humble. James 4:6. In vs 10 it says humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord , and he shall life you up. Begin to love peace , mercy, justice and forgiveness.
So the pathology of God is for his followers to be humble and submit themselves to however he reveals our to. He does not want you to do things through strife or vain glory, but In lowliness of mind esteem others better than yourselves. Let this mind be in you which is in Christ Jesus. So how do we get the 🤑 mind of Christ. We'll its given to believers through the Spirit of God. You can know you have it if these attributes are coming out of you; Virtue, patience , humility , kindness , goodness, love and joy. Other words , the fruit 🍑🍓 of the Spirit.
I think it' would be very true to state that after the Spirit landed upon Christ that the fruit of the spirit just came out of him all day, everyday. He was Gods beloved Son in whom he was well pleased. I think it would be quite something if God was well pleased with me , or any of us. Just thinking about it gives me goose buttons. Even more goose bumps if he was angry at me.the calling of God is just a matter of time. Every human will be called and chosen during the kingdom of God. The spirit will be given to the whole population, literally poured out on every corner , in every home.
A great roar will sound out over all the heavens and the earth. More exciting than the pouring out of the spirit of in the book of Acts. People will really think God is burning humans. But this last great day will be a first great day for us all. The forerunners of salvation will finally begin to sing to God in unison. Praise his Holy Name.God will wipe away our tears , deal with our fears, remove our fears and prep our consciousness to begin to think and understand the ways of righteousness. Oh how I look forward to this great day.
The first days of our Salvation, if I can say that , we will need to be aroused in the spirit. We will need to cast off the darkness And put on the Lord Jesus. Awake out of our sleep. In Romans 13:11-14. Put on the Lord Jesus and dump many sinful ways , and make no more room for foolishness and the luster thereof. In Rev 22:17-21, all humans can drink of the water of life freely. The grace of our Lord will be with us.
Salvation is God pleasure. Look at Rev. 4:10-11.The verse shows the 24 Elders fall down before him and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They all just removed their own crowns and cast them before the throne. Now these are the most high beings besides Christ that we know of. Verse 11 says that he created all things for his pleasure ,even those things Christ created, for his Father's pleasure. Examine what is being revealed here, God is responsible for all creations , and takes no pleasure in the death of the evil. Ezk. 33:11. Salvation then trump's death. It trumps all religious efforts to control it or paste it with evil.
God is responsible for our salvation and it even goes deeper than that. In Ex. 4:11, "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes him mute or deaf , or seeing or blind.(Caution this for mature audience's only .), Is it not I , the Lord." Many well meaning believers will try to let God off the hook Parents of disabled children say God is sorry that happens but that he cannot stop genetics .In Isaiah 45:7 God says he formed light and created darkness , he can make peace and create evil. I the Lord DO all these things , meaning he did it in the past , he's doing it now , and will do it in the future.
Job found out just how responsible God is, in Job 42:2 , I know you can do all things , no plan of yours can be thwarted. This means the plan of salvation cannot be stopped. thwarted means prevented. Look closely at Job 23:13" But he is in one mind , and who can turn him?" What his soul desires that he does! Gods plans are a predestined reality. Our salvation is like that, so have more faith. God knows that he gets what he wants. That's why he knows his plans for you will come to past.
It's his responsibility that none of us be lost. So we should not live by bread alone , but by every word that proceedth out of the month of God. We can be destroyed for our lack of knowledge .
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Job found out just how responsible God is, in Job 42:2 , I know it you can do all things , no plan of yours can be thwarted. This means the plan of salvation cannot be stopped. thwarted means prevented. Look closely at Job 23:13" But he is in one mind , and who can turn him?" What his soul desires that he does! Gods plans are a predestined reality. Our salvation is like that, so have more faith. God knows that he gets what he wants. That's why he knows his plans for you will come to past.
It's his responsibility that none of us be lost. So we should not live by bread alone , but by every word that proceedth out of the month of God. We can be destroyed for our lack of knowledge .
Destroyed here means more of ruined or lost. It can mean overpowered or smashed. I praise God that even the worst of some things thrown at us, we can survive. This is why I believed God threw Satan into the garden of Eden , to overpower them, that's all he needed, Jesus was scheduled to take over from there, but only after the wilderness , 40 days of fasting, no help from God, and the calling of the disciples , then Satan is allowed even more power on earth.,fear being one of them.
In1Corinth.7:5 Satan has power over many believers because of their lack of self control. In 2 Corinth. 11:13, Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning , and he goes after our consciousness to somehow lead us astray from your sincere devotion to Christ
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Quote from: Mickiel on February 12, 2022, 07:03:57 AM
Job found out just how responsible God is, in Job 42:2 , I know it you can do all things , no plan of yours can be thwarted. This means the plan of salvation cannot be stopped. thwarted means prevented. Look closely at Job 23:13" But he is in one mind , and who can turn him?" What his soul desires that he does! Gods plans are a predestined reality. Our salvation is like that, so have more faith. God knows that he gets what he wants. That's why he knows his plans for you will come to past.
It's his responsibility that none of us be lost. So we should not live by bread alone , but by every word that proceedth out of the month of God. We can be destroyed for our lack of knowledge .
Destroyed here means more of ruined or lost. It can mean overpowered or smashed. I praise God that even the worst of some things thrown at us, we can survive. This is why I believed God threw Satan into the garden of Eden , to overpower them, that's all he needed, Jesus was scheduled to take over from there, but only after the wilderness , 40 days of fasting, no help from God, and the calling of the disciples , then Satan is allowed even more power on earth.,fear being one of them.
In1Corinth.7:5 Satan has power over many believers because of their lack of self control. In 2 Corinth. 11:13, Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning , and he goes after our consciousness to somehow lead us astray from your sincere devotion to Christ
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Doesn't the statement "No help from God" , sound frightening and in error? Well yes it does. And who wants to be the one it happens to? God used this method on Adam and Eve. During the couples interrogation where was God? Satan had his way with them and was probably under orders from God to spare their lives. But they basically were on their own with the serpent. This happened to Job, whom God basically bragged on. Rack him up, bowl him over, kill his servants and children, but spare his life. God was developing special historical keys ,that can open history to go into his direction. This is also why God is so misunderstood.
No matter what God does men will gripe and complain., Men think it could have been done better, listen , if God does something a certain way , that means there is no better way of doing it.
God is responsible for human salvation , Christ is the Trojan horse strategy wherein all of the defenses of this sinful world are torn down. A great war is being waged, but Gods plans continue fertilize this giant womb. Shall I bring to the birth , and not cause to bring forth: saith the Lord; shall I cause to bring forth and then shut the womb?Says thy God. This is salvation reasoning. In other words he has given birth to billions. Religion and this world continue to misunderstand Universal salvation. Jesus gave his life , the need for grace and forgiveness is covered. In Isaiah 66:9. God will not forget his compassion for his hard working womb.
God is so responsible for us and our sin that he made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf. Once a believer really believes this , they are an imidiate threat to Satan and shame. The more this believer understands and stacks on knowledge , the more of a threat they become to world evangelism. Satan has world evangelism tied down in an impressive knot. yet if God has particular singular interest in a believer , he will have them study and show themselves approved by God , and they need not be ashamed. They become true witnesses who rightly divide the truth. They don't get mixed up , this knowledge becomes a way of life. And they can explain that in any situation. 2. Tim.2:15
Must Jesus bear the cross alone and all the world go free, no there is a cross for everyone and there is one for me.
One of the more serious reasons we study is to learn how to study . You learn to internalize God's word so you can communicate with him better . You want to be right in the way you view God's word. Show him in prayer what you learned, and seek his approval . Show him you have learned it, and ask him to help you understand it, and know it from different angles , and how to recognize when you are wrong. When you rightly divide the truth, when you recognize the truth, you have absorbed it, now you can share it with others, divide it to them .
I know there are different interpretations of this, but I see this angle of it. Because the world needs this view ,NO, because the church needs it ..
So it's a good thing if you develop various sundry understandings of the bible. Sundry meaning various, several kinds . When we share with each other , we can help each other find error, or just find roads around a mountain blockade by Satan. Satan has developed some serious blockades to the truth. He blocks one route only then to provide his way of understanding where things are going. He has millions upon millions of Christians ready to starve salvation from a dying world.
Satan has many well intended believers whom he has confused and has created hundreds of religions , where he can park them in old spaces , comfort spaces where he has put them asleep whole churches into the same old deceptive space. In Matt.23:13," But woe to you , Scribes and pharisee hypocrites, you shut off the Kingdom from men. So tight are their rules they can't enter themselves.
I am stunned at the term " Christian" in scripture , the term appears twice in scripture, and one I dispute which can be a
third time in 1Pet. 4:16 Acts 26:28 and 11:16 are the other two. Only 3 times in scripture. I find that puzzling. It seems to be a term that the Romans invented and begin calling them Christians . In some studies it is said that the term is really meant as an insult ,, though I am unsure of that. Acts 11:26 is interesting, it says the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch, they didn't invent the term, nor was it a term sanctioned by Jesus or God. They called themselves "The way".
The term "Christian" , I think was first coined by the Romans and was more likely meant as a mocking insult. The believers of that time just eventually became known by the term so much , they just accepted it. Which I think was wrong for them to do, so they just went along with it. It's nowhere used in the old testament. Before his conversion Paul sought out those belonged to"The Way". Acts 9:2. This was a serious chess move by Satan , which had the term born with a highly ignored history.
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At the time that believers got the appellation Christian.it was common for the Greeks to give satirical nicknames to particular groups. Those loyal to the Roman General Pompey we're dubbed Pompeians. The followers of General Sulla we're called "Sullanians. The Greeks knew the behavior and speech of these people were like Christ so they dubbed them Christians. Now the term has a life of its own. But Satan has the term. Oh how he has it.
I highly recommend " Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola, it's a stunning read.
Some believers place the term Christianity up there with salvation. They feel that Christians own the bible , they do not, the bible has no copyright. They feel that Christians wrote the bible, they did not. They think God and Christ are Christians , they are not. And neither God or Christ have endorsed the term Christianity. Is it a sin to be a Christian I doubt it, but I do believe if a true believer makes a serious study about the term, the religion is not what it appears to be.
So if you were Satan , how would you deceive a whole world, Rev. 12:9. Well if I were Satan , I would use religion . There are over 4,200 religions that span across this globe. False religion is the perfect vehicle to deceive the human populaces. And who leads the pack? Christianity. There are around 2.3 billion Christians worldwide. I would do it in a manner that they agree with . Then I would enlist Islam, and gobble up all 1.9 billion of them. Just those two religions has over half the world population. Satan is not stupid , he wants to confuse humanity's belief systems. Atheist present no threat, Satan would rather have blinded believers in this unholy matramonie.
In Rev.4:2 and behold a throne was set in heaven and one who sat on the throne. Side bar - God's throne is mobile. In Rev. 6:1-6.Jesus opens another seal. It had a white horse and he who sat on him had a bow and a crown was given to him. And he went forth conquering and to conquer. This is religion.
Hey!
I used to be very active on here back when this was a thriving forum. Sadly it really doesn?t seem to have the same life anymore.
I have a humble suggestion.
Could you create a new thread with a new title for each new idea you have? I don?t like seeing ?fear? plastered all over the homepage, and it seems you have ventured away from that original topic.
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Hey!
I used to be very active on here back when this was a thriving forum. Sadly it really doesn?t seem to have the same life anymore.
I have a humble suggestion.
Could you create a new thread with a new title for each new idea you have? I don?t like seeing ?fear? plastered all over the homepage, and it seems you have ventured away from that original topic.
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Greetings, yes I certainly have moved away from the topic, I do try to stick to salvation as much as I can recall..I don't mind a new topic , a new thread.. any suggestions,?
Okay there's another thread. But I really felt what you said about this place was a thriving board. And it is sad. We had some big war chi cce learned, the wound of a friend is faithful.it made you get in that bible. I think that will heal and this will once again be a place of stimulus gathering. Peace.
Quote from: GodIsLove on February 20, 2022, 04:37:27 AM
Hey!
I used to be very active on here back when this was a thriving forum. Sadly it really doesn?t seem to have the same life anymore.
I have a humble suggestion.
Could you create a new thread with a new title for each new idea you have? I don?t like seeing ?fear? plastered all over the homepage, and it seems you have ventured away from that original topic.
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well, it's going to take UR believers like us to revitalize it !...it's one of the very best UR sites on the net..such a pity so many UR believers are neglecting/ abandoning it.I hope it doesnt go the way of the EU site = inactivated.
Quote from: GodIsLove on February 20, 2022, 04:37:27 AM
Hey!
I used to be very active on here back when this was a thriving forum. Sadly it really doesn?t seem to have the same life anymore.
I have a humble suggestion.
Could you create a new thread with a new title for each new idea you have? I don?t like seeing ?fear? plastered all over the homepage, and it seems you have ventured away from that original topic.
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Yes I'll start another one.