The fear of Eternity

[Mickiel]

I believe God uses time or what you are calling aions to accomplish his will. Interesting.

[Mickiel]

Some may think I am making something out of nothing , but is this chain thing that  gets me. Satan is bound with a great chain. All this technology one could imagine God using to subdue Satan, but their going to use a chain. Then hang him in a bottomless pit. Which has a top cover on it so he's enclosed with no way out. The lack of "The use of high technology," to prison Satan is puzzling. What their doing is almost barbarian.i mean Satan is being treated like an animal: well he is a dragon. It all smells like mythology. Chains, dragons, bottom less pits.

[Mickiel]

Okay now Satan is imprisoned 1000 years  and I guess the kingdom is going about. It's merry way of love and learning. Lov, love. , joy , and then Satan is loosed, He gathers together an army of demons and deceived humans to attack the Holy city.

Who are these idiots that join with Satan? Some of us are just going to loose our minds. To side with Satan after all this pain and sorrow.God burns them all with fire. Good grief .

[Mickiel]

I have problems believing the first war in heaven. Now were having another.So I best start believing..in both wars evil gets slaughtered and destroyed.. it's as if He wants to do this twi/ce.if Satan is imprisoned in the lake of fire, we will always know he's there. Will he rise again? A very reasonable fear.If he is destroyed then end of story.

[Mickiel]

In Rev. ,12:7 there was. War in heaven. Michael and his angels fought the dragon and his angels. The demons lost  and were cast out of heaven. In verse 10 it says now is come salvation so one benefit of this waring and fighting is salvation..

[Mickiel]

In Revelation 20:10 the devil is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are, they will never come out.. A prison of torment that is forecast to never end.. I don't understand much of this but I can see a lot of wiggle room to explain things in different directions.they got away with it twice before, but those days are over and this is final fatality. The beast, false prophet and Satan will never be seen again. They will not walk this earth again. Death and the grave joins their company. God finishes this tiresome task that has caused him much suffering.Praise his holy name, I just know he will be happy to seal the gate of these final four.

[Mickiel]

God's anger is coming to an end , but he will use it when he has to. Notice Jeremiah 32:37"Behold , I will gather them out of all countries , whiter I have driven them in mine anger , and in my fury and in my great wrath, I will bring them again unto this place and cause them to dwell safely. God using his anger for ultimate good. It's possible God will erase Satan from reality and even out of our minds. Isaiah 65:17,*For behold I create new heavens and a new earth. The former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

[Mickiel]

One thing I can say about God is you can observe the  things he does and says and keep learning for years from just that one revelation

[Mickiel]

I would like to know why Satan was given a second chance to disrupt the kingdom and enter the minds of Kingdom citizens and make fools out of them. I am happy none of them are lost to perdictions. But it's embarrassing, like waking people out of sleeping and getting them all drunk, then making them fight for you. I guess one thousand years of kingdom living is not enough to defeat Satan on your own.

And Satan, good grief, what kind of general was he on the battlefield,? He took no time to plan his attacks. He had no  strategy, he is so filled with rage he just tried to bull rush the Holy City. All that  Wisdom he had and he couldn't control himself
The worst general in the battle.  But he lost to the strength of salvation. He had absolutely no chance.

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[Mickiel]

The whole thousand year event is questionable but it does not effect salvation. Believers are hurt again , but still have their destiny with God.in Rev.20:10 the devil is tossed into a lake of fire an sulfur . They will be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages. Satan was loosed immediately begins his deception gathers together his army and marches accoss the earth . Fire comes down from heaven and the army is destroyed. Then we come down to Great White Throne judgement

[Mickiel]

In Rev.20;11-15 a judgement takes place. Much of Christianity points to this judgement as the sheep (believers), enter into eternal life, while the goats ,(  unbelievers) are cast into eternal punishing. We who hold to universal salvation believe Christ righteousness has been imputed to all of humanity freely as a merciful gift of grace. Although there may be punishment, there will be no punishING.. no continual punishing. Jesus will take on all responsibility for sin, this guarantees salvation for all. The prologs like John 5:28-29 must be dealt with. As long as Jesus is speaking for sinners. , Their salvation is secure. He is our intercessor. Our redeemer and our savior. The death of Jesus was a ransom sacrifice that paid the debt on the souls of humanity as a result of inherited sin. Now humanity is full of hope and can be confidently secure In what Jesus has done on a world wide scale.Jesus looked up to all humans ever created and some angels  may have said Lets go save a few ,,and Jesus said no let's save them. All.

[Mickiel]

Jesus was the only one who could save humanity, in Rev. 5:1-5
No one else could open this 📖 book God had. Vs 9, Jesus takes the book and opens it's seals. That redeemed  every person, tongue ,kindred , and nation on earth. The question is did Jesus have the book of life.

[Mickiel]

In Rev. 20 We can at least count 3 books being opened , we know one is The book of life. Since it's called the book of life, we can assume that it is a record of all who lives through this unparalleled time of death and destruction. And all who died. One of the books may be the bible , that would make sense. I have no idea what the other books are. One may be a kingdom address book . If that much is true then it's a giant book. Let's us know where everyone is staying

[Mickiel]

What books would the Father have on that throne? We can start assuming again, spectating that God likes to read. He most likely likes to read the bible. The book of life probably thrills him. He may have written some of the books himself. Does heaven have a library? Wouldn't that be a great library. If your not going to have history, books are not so exciting. So heaven is primed for history.

This also means writing will be encouraged.

[Mickiel]

We may also assume that in a type of courtroom scene. , With judges and there will be books present. Nothing's unusual there. So the scene is set, all these books were opened, and judgement
Begins. The dead are judged out of those things which were written in ,"The Books'.  So more than one book can be used to judge one person. So the book of life may be a catalog of life and living. One book may be a book of the dead ,. Vs 13.  Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.  Yet to this point no humans are thrown into the lake of fire. Now in verse 15 whoever was not found in in the book of life cast into the lake of fire. ,, But remember during all this time Jesus still holds the book of life. And no human has yet been tossed into the lake of fire as a final judgement. Jesus has that power in his hands . In Heb . 8:25.,"Wherefore he is also able to save them to the uttermost those that come unto God by him. Jesus has that book of life ,he holds all human life in his hands

Oh praise the plan of God! Our deal is with heaven and life, we then look  for our saviour  , Lord Jesus Christ, who shall change  our vile body that it may be fashioned  like his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able to subdue all in things to himself.
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[Mickiel]

Like many other kingdom life things , we need to always track the subject matter we are discussing  for life  , because it may be Alive. The book of Acts is called the living book of Acts. Everlasting peace comes last. But not without war. In Rev. 13:7 power is given to Satan to make war with the saints. Imagine that , you may be called to do battle with Satan and his demons. And we'll write a book of battle.
All hail our king and saviour Jesus , who rides the white horse.

And Christ has four angels who were specially prepared to kill. So were going to see what kind of general Michael is.just by reading about it  Michael slaughters
The hord.and God's throne is directing this blowout.

[Mickiel]

Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all. To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.

[Mickiel]

Some may think I am making something out of nothing , but is this chain thing that  gets me. Satan is bound with a great chain. All this technology one could imagine God using to subdue Satan, but their going to use a chain. Then hang him in a bottomless pit. Which has a top cover on it so he's enclosed with no way out. The lack of "The use of high technology," to prison Satan is puzzling. What their doing is almost barbarian.i mean Satan is being treated like an animal: well he is a dragon. It all smells like mythology. Chains, dragons, bottom less pits.

[Mickiel]

Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.

[jabcat]

Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.

I'm one for NOT believing in explaining away scripture.  Still, I would wonder where the symbolism, metaphor, etc leads on this one.  For instance, I don't think a spiritual being could be held with LITERAL chains....2 cents :)

[Mickiel]

Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.

I'm one for NOT believing in explaining away scripture.  Still, I would wonder where the symbolism, metaphor, etc leads on this one.  For instance, I don't think a spiritual being could be held with LITERAL chains....2 cents :)

I question that myself , the chains are to bind him from movement too far in any direction. It is old school barbaric imprisonment, not that I think he deserves any better. I think it's God telling Satan 'Were going to do this the old way". The cylinder they place him into is then hung in mid air of a bottomless pit, no openings over his head, symbolizing a condensing of his deceptive powers , which is his strongest power.

I am one who is for explaining scripture , how can you explain something that you don't understand? We are to at least explain it if we can and say so When we can't. It's called "Rightly dividing the word that is truth." Or explaining it correctly.

[Mickiel]

What is revealed at Satan's imprisonment is a ripping away of his powers and insulting him by how this is done. One angel wraps a great chain around him. So it took only one great angel to subdue him, obvious insulting.i could go on and on about other methods they would have used, but they wanted this manner of imprisonment. It's embarrassing and has no honor in it. Satan has built up an amazing impressive guilty web of demonic deception unparalleled in history.

He has blinded all of religion and leads the world behind the seems. Destroyed the churches of the world and now wants God's church. Now God has cut that off and ruined all his years of deceit , wrapping him in a chain and hang him, dangle his arrogant hope's.in front of him.. Obviously the chains were specially prepared to hold him.One thing it could mean is Satan's "Size" ,being  a dragon ,he could be enormous and have wings and several heads. He could be a giant , or just a small unnoticed thing.. Yet his powers to deceive is nothing to fool around with.which is why I think he should be escorted out of life.

[Mickiel]

In Rev.,20:-5-6, again the bible is salvaging souls everywhere it moves.  So is Satan. But he cannot keep pace with salvation. In Rev.20;7,  Satan is loosed , the 1000 years  expires, i

Impressively Satan immediately blinds millions of humans to go-to war against the saints, but now God, for his own reasonant ,has had enough. In vs  9 the camp of the saints is surrounded , God dispenses fire comes down from heaven and kills them all

A lot of those books on the throne are flapping open now.

Now God's love is being introduced again. :friendstu:

[jabcat]

Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.

I'm one for NOT believing in explaining away scripture.  Still, I would wonder where the symbolism, metaphor, etc leads on this one.

I am one who is for explaining scripture , how can you explain something that you don't understand? We are to at least explain it if we can and say so When we can't. It's called "Rightly dividing the word that is truth." Or explaining it correctly.

I said that clumsily.  I meant, I believe we should believe scripture, not try to explain it away (make it to no effect, meaningless) as many do today.  So by talking about symbolism/metaphor, I mean the scriptures are still true, but may take some interpretation/understanding  (such as the "chains" reference).

[Mickiel]

Yes God's throne has life everywhere on it.whew I wish I could see it all To see all the marvelous beings that line the entrance to Gods thrown.

I'm one for NOT believing in explaining away scripture.  Still, I would wonder where the symbolism, metaphor, etc leads on this one.

I am one who is for explaining scripture , how can you explain something that you don't understand? We are to at least explain it if we can and say so When we can't. It's called "Rightly dividing the word that is truth." Or explaining it correctly.

I said that clumsily.  I meant, I believe we should believe scripture, not try to explain it away (make it to no effect, meaningless) as many do today.  So by talking about symbolism/metaphor, I mean the scriptures are still true, but may take some interpretation/understanding  (such as the "chains" reference).

I understand you. And understanding the scriptures is vital in our work. Interpretation of these scriptures opens the consciousness to the spiritual things what they may possibly mean, understanding explains them to ourselves and others. If we cannot explain something then we don't understand it.

The bible is giving out information and is open to understanding. It's knowledge is not sealed. Using chains to bind Satan is of interest, at least to me.The whole manner in which they used to bind him suggest that he is powerful. A great angel takes this great chain and wraps it all around him , this suggest that Satan is very strong. And he is also being humiliated by them chaining him and hanging him inside of some kind of cylinder.  The cylinder has a top on it which is sealed. The seal is also meant to keep Satan's thoughts to himself. His thinking is his most powerful weapon. The scriptures let us know that Satan can no longer deceive the nation's, something about the top seal of the cylinder, or pit , cuts off Satan's ability to communicate with anyone.so for 1000 years Satan is mute , humiliated , powerless.its all very interesting.