Natural and Spiritual

[Molly]

Hi Taffy!

I don't think those who opposed Christ claimed to be God. They tried to stone Christ for, according to them, claiming to be God. If they claimed to be God they would be stoned, and I don't mean by that wacky tobaccy either.

Again, antichrist is not someone who is against Christ but one who comes INSTEAD OF CHRIST. Big difference bro.

P.S. you enjoying the snow over there?

well, yes they are taking the place of God since they are telling God to his face that he's wrong and deserves to die.   They are lording it over Christ.

We see the same thing happening today--religious leader/leaders who say they alone have the right to forgive sin, to replace God's laws, to tell people what is right and wrong, to burn heretics, to stand between people and the Father....

The face of the antichrist has not changed since the beginning--he's a liar and murderer of God's people...


15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

--Mat 23

[Taffy]

Hi Taffy!

I don't think those who opposed Christ claimed to be God. They tried to stone Christ for, according to them, claiming to be God. If they claimed to be God they would be stoned, and I don't mean by that wacky tobaccy either.

Again, antichrist is not someone who is against Christ but one who comes INSTEAD OF CHRIST. Big difference bro.

P.S. you enjoying the snow over there?

ya Think Bro :icon_flower:

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Either or If one claims to be the Annoited ( instead of) surely they be agin HIM..Kinda Like saying, I lie against HE who is , because I claim to be HIM :sigh:


As for snow Bro..Nah..im not a winter guy...love the spring and New growth...always makes me feel fresh bud... :icon_flower:
hpe your weathers better than here :icon_flower:

[Cardinal]

It was a great thing, but it was a tragedy as well.  I look back now and see that what was good for Brownsville, may not have necessarily been good for Cedar Rapids. 

:cloud9: Nathan, what happened (and we've all done it, even on a smaller more personal scale) is here.....

Jer 2:20 - For of old time I have broken thy yoke (outer court), and burst thy bands (inner court); and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

There are other scriptures that speak of inflaming themselves under every green tree. Green tree = that which we perceive life in. Playing the harlot speaks of fornication.

When God "plants" something by His Spirit and we see the life (green) of it in that thing, the soul immediately tries to mimic what it saw, and reproduce it, instead of letting the Spirit bring forth new life, just like Abraham did with Ishmael.

That's why genuine moves of God's Spirit don't tend to last very long, because this nature in us thinks, "Well, if it worked this way here it'll work this way again," when in fact, God wants to do a new thing, and the cloud has already moved on. And He will move just to see if we'll move with Him. Blessings.....

[Molly]

When God "plants" something by His Spirit and we see the life (green) of it in that thing, the soul immediately tries to mimic what it saw, and reproduce it, instead of letting the Spirit bring forth new life, just like Abraham did with Ishmael.

So how do we avoid this?  By staying in the present?  If his memorial is I AM THAT I AM, maybe he wants us in the present...

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I AM that I AM would have better translated I AM that which I will be (at any given moment in time), meaning the Alpha and the Omega, ie. what He is in the eternal NOW. So whatever He leads us to do by His Spirit, as we walk in that, we are walking with Him the same way Adam did in the cool/breath of the day, and because there is no time in His Spirit, it is always NOW. That's why it says as many as are led by His Spirit, are the sons of God. He has been teaching us in "installments", how to walk with Him again. Blessings...

[Tony N]

antichrists are false Christs, i.e. false messiahs.

But Tony . . . the point is . . .there is yet another dimension to take it to and that is coming to the realization that my carnal mind . . .my ego is that which projects this false image of Christ IN ME.  Against God . . .or false Christ . .either way, that's irrelevant because the point is that it's the carnal nature within me that's the abomination of desolation . . . I am a temple of the holy spirit . . .and if I'm walking according to my mind and not my spirit . .then it is MY MIND that is sitting on the throne in this temple declaring itself as God. 

Nathan, that's not enough. You are just not looking at this through spiritual eyes. The spiritual one will see that the antichrist or man of lawlessness also is in "all power and false miracles and shows that he is God.
It is not enough just to say you have a carnal nature.

1Co 14:37 If anyone is presuming to be a prophet or spiritual, let him be recognizing that what I am writing to you is a precept of the Lord."

Nathan, if you are spiritual you will believe what Paul said.

[Tony N]

Hi Taffy!

I don't think those who opposed Christ claimed to be God. They tried to stone Christ for, according to them, claiming to be God. If they claimed to be God they would be stoned, and I don't mean by that wacky tobaccy either.

Again, antichrist is not someone who is against Christ but one who comes INSTEAD OF CHRIST. Big difference bro.

P.S. you enjoying the snow over there?

ya Think Bro :icon_flower:

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Either or If one claims to be the Annoited ( instead of) surely they be agin HIM..Kinda Like saying, I lie against HE who is , because I claim to be HIM :sigh:


As for snow Bro..Nah..im not a winter guy...love the spring and New growth...always makes me feel fresh bud... :icon_flower:
hpe your weathers better than here :icon_flower:

England got dumpted on with lots of snow. You didn't get any? It wasn't spiritual snow, you know. But if it was I'm sure you'd have seen it.  :laughing7:

[Taffy]

Hi Taffy!

I don't think those who opposed Christ claimed to be God. They tried to stone Christ for, according to them, claiming to be God. If they claimed to be God they would be stoned, and I don't mean by that wacky tobaccy either.

Again, antichrist is not someone who is against Christ but one who comes INSTEAD OF CHRIST. Big difference bro.

P.S. you enjoying the snow over there?

ya Think Bro :icon_flower:

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Either or ,If one claims to be the Annoited ( instead of) surely they be agin HIM..Kinda Like saying, I lie against HE who is , because I claim to be HIM :sigh:


As for snow Bro..Nah..im not a winter guy...love the spring and New growth...always makes me feel fresh bud... :icon_flower:
hpe your weathers better than here :icon_flower:

England got dumpted on with lots of snow. You didn't get any? It wasn't spiritual snow, you know. But if it was I'm sure you'd have seen it.  :laughing7:

And for sure T..more dumping on the way too.. :sigh:.

Nothing quite the Spiritual Purity of SNOW bud... :cloud9:.......

:icon_flower:

[claypot]

antichrists are false Christs, i.e. false messiahs.

But Tony . . . the point is . . .there is yet another dimension to take it to and that is coming to the realization that my carnal mind . . .my ego is that which projects this false image of Christ IN ME.  Against God . . .or false Christ . .either way, that's irrelevant because the point is that it's the carnal nature within me that's the abomination of desolation . . . I am a temple of the holy spirit . . .and if I'm walking according to my mind and not my spirit . .then it is MY MIND that is sitting on the throne in this temple declaring itself as God. 

Nathan, that's not enough. You are just not looking at this through spiritual eyes. The spiritual one will see that the antichrist or man of lawlessness also is in "all power and false miracles and shows that he is God.
It is not enough just to say you have a carnal nature.

1Co 14:37 If anyone is presuming to be a prophet or spiritual, let him be recognizing that what I am writing to you is a precept of the Lord."

Nathan, if you are spiritual you will believe what Paul said.

Tony, you sure are single minded, much like me. Being the crux of this whole issue with you is......

The spiritual one will see that the antichrist or man of lawlessness also is in "all power and false miracles and shows that he is God.

could you please explain what this means to you?

cp

[Tony N]

Claypot, what needs explaining? It is what it is. It just has to be believed to be what it is.
"All power" "signs" and "false miracles." KJV has "lying wonders" for "false miracles."

All power would be like the power of Satan and would hold dominion on the earth for he is the god of this eon.
When he comes he will come with all pwer and for 3 1/2 years will amalgamate dominions to his control. The latter 3 1/2 years he will persecute Christ's brethren from Jerusalem.

"signs and false miracles" are just what they are.

These things are not exhibited in Christian's flesh no matter how wild one's imagination might be. It is not spiritual to claim these things are in a Christian's flesh.

[peacemaker]

:cloud9: I AM that I AM would have better translated I AM that which I will be (at any given moment in time), meaning the Alpha and the Omega, ie. what He is in the eternal NOW. So whatever He leads us to do by His Spirit, as we walk in that, we are walking with Him the same way Adam did in the cool/breath of the day, and because there is no time in His Spirit, it is always NOW. That's why it says as many as are led by His Spirit, are the sons of God. He has been teaching us in "installments", how to walk with Him again. Blessings...

:happyclap:

Ahyh  "I Will Be" Or "I WILL BE, WHAT I WILL BE"

I BECOME, WHAT I BECOME  As, "I AM, THAT I AM"

Can't rewind the film, but we can move forward in time – HIS!

In God we live, move, and exist – becoming what we become.

Always ... :boyheart:

peacemaker

[peacemaker]

All power and false miracles, sort of sounds like Benny Hinn, for example. And multiple other Ministries.

Not interested in the "Join Our Audience" group  :bowing: whose devotion is given to a person – other than Christ!

peacemaker

[claypot]

Claypot, what needs explaining? It is what it is. It just has to be believed to be what it is.
"All power" "signs" and "false miracles." KJV has "lying wonders" for "false miracles."

All power would be like the power of Satan and would hold dominion on the earth for he is the god of this eon.
When he comes he will come with all pwer and for 3 1/2 years will amalgamate dominions to his control. The latter 3 1/2 years he will persecute Christ's brethren from Jerusalem.

"signs and false miracles" are just what they are.

These things are not exhibited in Christian's flesh no matter how wild one's imagination might be. It is not spiritual to claim these things are in a Christian's flesh.

Please explain more.

The power of Satan would hold dominion on the earth. What in the world does this mean?

For that matter what does the god of this eon mean. Satan isn't the god of any other eon? What makes him the god of this eon and not the others?

When you say he will come with all power, really, what does that mean? Doesn't only God have all power? Are you putting Satan over God for this eon at least?

Tony, I am serious. I want to know your side. This is very important what you are preaching as truth. You don't need to give me long detailed answers or even quote tons of Scripture. Explain to me like you would to the average person.

Thanks in advance Bro.

cp

[claypot]

Tony, you wrote....

When he comes he will come with all pwer and for 3 1/2 years will amalgamate dominions to his control. The latter 3 1/2 years he will persecute Christ's brethren from Jerusalem.

Tony, just a couple more questions if I may.

Could you briefly explain who Christ's brethren are that you are referring to here?

And could you give me a sentence or two on what you mean by amalgamating dominions to his control?

I do know something about the 7 year thing. The 3 1/2 and 3 1/2. Daniel talks of this a bit.

Remember you can keep your answers short and I will let you know if I need more. I'm just afraid of wasting your time and getting lost in your answers so I want to be considerate of you and careful so I understand what you are saying.

cp

[Cardinal]

:cloud9: I AM that I AM would have better translated I AM that which I will be (at any given moment in time), meaning the Alpha and the Omega, ie. what He is in the eternal NOW. So whatever He leads us to do by His Spirit, as we walk in that, we are walking with Him the same way Adam did in the cool/breath of the day, and because there is no time in His Spirit, it is always NOW. That's why it says as many as are led by His Spirit, are the sons of God. He has been teaching us in "installments", how to walk with Him again. Blessings...

:happyclap:

Ahyh  "I Will Be" Or "I WILL BE, WHAT I WILL BE"

I BECOME, WHAT I BECOME  As, "I AM, THAT I AM"

Can't rewind the film, but we can move forward in time – HIS!

In God we live, move, and exist – becoming what we become.

Always ... :boyheart: peacemaker [\quote]

:cloud9: AMEN.....and right back at ya.... :girlheart:   :happygrin:

[peacemaker]

:cloud9: I AM that I AM would have better translated I AM that which I will be (at any given moment in time), meaning the Alpha and the Omega, ie. what He is in the eternal NOW. So whatever He leads us to do by His Spirit, as we walk in that, we are walking with Him the same way Adam did in the cool/breath of the day, and because there is no time in His Spirit, it is always NOW. That's why it says as many as are led by His Spirit, are the sons of God. He has been teaching us in "installments", how to walk with Him again. Blessings...

:happyclap:

Ahyh  "I Will Be" Or "I WILL BE, WHAT I WILL BE"

I BECOME, WHAT I BECOME  As, "I AM, THAT I AM"

Can't rewind the film, but we can move forward in time – HIS!

In God we live, move, and exist – becoming what we become.

Always ... :boyheart: peacemaker

:cloud9: AMEN.....and right back at ya.... :girlheart:   :happygrin:

LOVE THOSE SMILEYS!  :bgdance:  peacemaker

[peacemaker]

When he comes he will come with all power and for 3 1/2 years will amalgamate dominions to his control. The latter 3 1/2 years he will persecute Christ's brethren from Jerusalem.

It appears from the mindset of some, that there is a deep psychological need to blame sin, and the sin of others - such as that of Adam and Eve, on something outside of themselves.  Thus, the thought of Satan; "the" Anti-Christ to come, is one of the most popular themes throughout the churches, and worldly religions. Yet, it is that which comes from within the heart, and mind of men – "that defiles."

"Raising the exterior works, in order to protect their interior."

Let us Not continue to justify all manner of war and persecution with the demons of man!

peacemaker

(The prince of this world had it's end in 70 A.D.)

Christ's ministry, per se, was 3 1/2 years? Cutting it short, wouldn't you say?

[reFORMer]

1 Jn 3:9-10 (AV)...
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

I've understood this for now to mean that my spirit is born of God.  It cannot sin.  Paul says, "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." (Rm 7:20)  This is an aspect of knowing we are of God, because of being on another side in the spiritual war.  Even if we lose a battle we are on the side of Him Who is manifested, "...that we may be getting the place of a son." (1 Jn 4:5)  We are no longer in lawlessness but doing right.  Christ in us is the hope of glory and by us in Christ is the glory manifested.  "Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit." (1 Jn 4:13)

When you think of a circle it is ideal.  In the physical there are no perfect circles.  Yet, because of this concept of a circle you can recognize and create circles within a wide range deviations from the perfect circle in your mind.  It is similar with righteousness.  "Be ye perfect as I am perfect" is said in the context of love.  But consider that there are no perfect circles in the world God has made.  That is a testimony to the nature of His perfection.  It is first inward, against all opposition.  Now, by raising Christ from the dead He has brought forth into the world a perfect circle.

Because of the Spirit of God in union with me, sharing the same body, I have been regenerated spiritually.  Working together with the Holy Spirit I'm conforming and developing my soul (thought, emotion, and will) and enslaving my body to righteousness expecting the change of my body to no more be dying so the totality of "born of God" would be brought about by having become born of resurrection.  Then I will have no working of sin in my members.  I will be able to draw perfect circles.

1 Jn 2:5-6...
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Everything that Jesus is and does is in us because He is in us.  "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." (Ga 4:6)  Our availability to Him is how mature we are.  The "call out" of the world and the flesh to which the Eclessia responds is the express image Word toward God Who is God. (cp., Jn 1:1)  The Word now, "...speaks to us in Sonship." (Heb 1:2)  There is no article in Greek, "the Son," which would indicate specifically the historic Jesus.  God is speaking in the category of Sonship.  This that is Son-wise, of which are we, it is, "...through Whom He makes the eons."  We are determining the nature of this age in which we are appearing.  As a part of this Son realm we are "...the radiance of His glory, the exact representation of His being." (Kistemaker)  The extent to which we manifest Jesus' ministry is how much of the Word, Who is Christ, we can hear.  After a little while we should all be teachers. (cf., Hb 5:12)  This, the other side of the shepherd coin, through practice is enlarged and becomes evangelism.  As that measure deepens in the mysteries we become prophetic.  If I can truly say I am called to be a prophet, and have an anointing for more than a prophet, that is how much of the the Image to which I have attained.   Yet beyond the apostle is victory over death.  This is all in each of us in potential.  It is in the Spirit of God's Son He has sent forth into our hearts (Ga 4:6)

This should be central to how we meet, coming into the fullness of the Image and Glory of God, each and everyone of us who have His Spirit.  We are not to continue being an audience for the convenience of one man's ministry.  "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:  From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." (Ep 4:15-16)  This brings about a corporate "perfect man" as we individually help one another develop "...unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ..." (Ep 4:13)

[Cardinal]

The extent to which we manifest Jesus' ministry is how much of the Word, Who is Christ, we can hear.  After a little while we should all be teachers. (cf., Hb 5:12)  This, the other side of the shepherd coin, through practice is enlarged and becomes evangelism.  As that measure deepens in the mysteries we become prophetic.  If I can truly say I am called to be a prophet, and have an anointing for more than a prophet, that is how much of the the Image to which I have attained.   Yet beyond the apostle is victory over death.  This is all in each of us in potential. It is in the Spirit of God's Son He has sent forth into our hearts (Ga 4:6)

This should be central to how we meet, coming into the fullness of the Image and Glory of God, each and everyone of us who have His Spirit.  We are not to continue being an audience for the convenience of one man's ministry.  "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:  From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." (Ep 4:15-16)  This brings about a corporate "perfect man" as we individually help one another develop "...unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ..." (Ep 4:13)

:cloud9: Amen, yes it is. Of His same fullness have we all received. It's all there, to be used as He sees fit, but the body was not allowed to mature into the Head. Blessings....

[Molly]

When he comes he will come with all power and for 3 1/2 years will amalgamate dominions to his control. The latter 3 1/2 years he will persecute Christ's brethren from Jerusalem.

It appears from the mindset of some, that there is a deep psychological need to blame sin, and the sin of others - such as that of Adam and Eve, on something outside of themselves.  Thus, the thought of Satan; "the" Anti-Christ to come, is one of the most popular themes throughout the churches, and worldly religions. Yet, it is that which comes from within the heart, and mind of men – "that defiles."

"Raising the exterior works, in order to protect their interior."

Let us Not continue to justify all manner of war and persecution with the demons of man!

peacemaker

(The prince of this world had it's end in 70 A.D.)

Christ's ministry, per se, was 3 1/2 years? Cutting it short, wouldn't you say?

4In whom the god of this world [aion] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
--2 Cor 4:4


So are we no longer in the age where the god of this age is blinding the minds of men?  If we are still in that age, men are still blinded.



2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.



Are there still such deceivers going out into the world?  Is there one great deceiver who is still deceiving the whole world?



Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him..



[which deceiveth the whole]  "world"

G3625
οἰκουμένη
oikoumenē
oy-kou-men'-ay
Feminine participle present passive of G3611 (as noun, by implication of G1093); land, that is, the (terrene part of the) globe; specifically the Roman empire: - earth, world.



Are we still dealing with the roman empire?  Or are we past this age of being deceived by satan?



1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

[Tony N]

All power and false miracles, sort of sounds like Benny Hinn, for example. And multiple other Ministries.

Not interested in the "Join Our Audience" group  :bowing: whose devotion is given to a person – other than Christ!

peacemaker

Benny Hinn cannot call fire down from heaven onto the earth as antichrist will. Nor does he have ALL POWER and he must be endued with all power from Satan.

[Tony N]

Claypot, what needs explaining? It is what it is. It just has to be believed to be what it is.
"All power" "signs" and "false miracles." KJV has "lying wonders" for "false miracles."

All power would be like the power of Satan and would hold dominion on the earth for he is the god of this eon.
When he comes he will come with all pwer and for 3 1/2 years will amalgamate dominions to his control. The latter 3 1/2 years he will persecute Christ's brethren from Jerusalem.

"signs and false miracles" are just what they are.

These things are not exhibited in Christian's flesh no matter how wild one's imagination might be. It is not spiritual to claim these things are in a Christian's flesh.

Please explain more.

The power of Satan would hold dominion on the earth. What in the world does this mean?

For that matter what does the god of this eon mean. Satan isn't the god of any other eon? What makes him the god of this eon and not the others?

When you say he will come with all power, really, what does that mean? Doesn't only God have all power? Are you putting Satan over God for this eon at least?

Tony, I am serious. I want to know your side. This is very important what you are preaching as truth. You don't need to give me long detailed answers or even quote tons of Scripture. Explain to me like you would to the average person.

Thanks in advance Bro.

cp

Dear cp, please read Revelation 13 as to the antichrist or man of lawlessness of Thessalonians and Daniel and Matthew 24.

god of this eon. This eon is the wicked eon (Gal.4:1). Satan is the god of this eon. This eon is especially wicked in that it was the eon in which Christ was crucified. He won't be the god of the next eon for he will be incarcerated in the abyss.

Coming with all power. Satan will give him all the power he needs for world domination. Read Rev.13.

[Taffy]

When he comes he will come with all power and for 3 1/2 years will amalgamate dominions to his control. The latter 3 1/2 years he will persecute Christ's brethren from Jerusalem.

It appears from the mindset of some, that there is a deep psychological need to blame sin, and the sin of others - such as that of Adam and Eve, on something outside of themselves.  Thus, the thought of Satan; "the" Anti-Christ to come, is one of the most popular themes throughout the churches, and worldly religions. Yet, it is that which comes from within the heart, and mind of men – "that defiles."

"Raising the exterior works, in order to protect their interior."

Let us Not continue to justify all manner of war and persecution with the demons of man!

peacemaker

(The prince of this world had it's end in 70 A.D.)

Christ's ministry, per se, was 3 1/2 years? Cutting it short, wouldn't you say?

:icon_flower:

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. 

Luk 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

john 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin


Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[claypot]

Claypot, what needs explaining? It is what it is. It just has to be believed to be what it is.
"All power" "signs" and "false miracles." KJV has "lying wonders" for "false miracles."

All power would be like the power of Satan and would hold dominion on the earth for he is the god of this eon.
When he comes he will come with all pwer and for 3 1/2 years will amalgamate dominions to his control. The latter 3 1/2 years he will persecute Christ's brethren from Jerusalem.

"signs and false miracles" are just what they are.

These things are not exhibited in Christian's flesh no matter how wild one's imagination might be. It is not spiritual to claim these things are in a Christian's flesh.

Please explain more.

The power of Satan would hold dominion on the earth. What in the world does this mean?

For that matter what does the god of this eon mean. Satan isn't the god of any other eon? What makes him the god of this eon and not the others?

When you say he will come with all power, really, what does that mean? Doesn't only God have all power? Are you putting Satan over God for this eon at least?

Tony, I am serious. I want to know your side. This is very important what you are preaching as truth. You don't need to give me long detailed answers or even quote tons of Scripture. Explain to me like you would to the average person.

Thanks in advance Bro.

cp

Dear cp, please read Revelation 13 as to the antichrist or man of lawlessness of Thessalonians and Daniel and Matthew 24.

god of this eon. This eon is the wicked eon (Gal.4:1). Satan is the god of this eon. This eon is especially wicked in that it was the eon in which Christ was crucified. He won't be the god of the next eon for he will be incarcerated in the abyss.

Coming with all power. Satan will give him all the power he needs for world domination. Read Rev.13.

Tony, is that the extent of your explanation?

Do you think things will work out like we see in the end time shows? You know, like Omega Code and Omega Code 2. If you haven't seen these you surely must have watched some end time shows. You know, where a seemingly really good guy takes over the world and everything is really nice and then after 3 1/2 years he goes bonkers and starts to kill Christians and then Jesus comes and wipes him out and the earth turns green and lush again. Is this what God's message is to you in Revelation and Daniel and Matthew concerning the end times and anti christ?

Do you see in Matthew that God's message is that Jesus will gather up whole nations and condemn or reward whole nations depending on if they gave Him water or visited Him in prison or visited Him when He was sick? If so what does this mean to you. In a nation might there not be some good people?

How does a moon turn to blood? Is this literal to you?

Do we just wait for the stars to fall and the sun to darken. Was Jesus just telling us of some physical things that will happen in some future time when you and I will probably be in the grave anyway.

In all these scenarios, if taken as you seem to want me to take them, I see them as only affecting those who are alive when they happen. You know, like the 7 year thing. Only those who are alive in that generation will have to worry won't they? When the stars are falling and the moon turning to blood, won't it be only those who are alive on that particular day that will be affected? Only they will have to run to the mountains for safety. To I and every other person ever born these things really don't matter do they?

cp

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How does a moon turn to blood? Is this literal to you?

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Lunar eclipse


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Solar eclipse


"And the stars shall fall from heaven." Matthew 24:29.

The great star shower took place on the night of November 13, 1833. It was so bright that a newspaper could be read on the street. One writer says, "For nearly four hours the sky was literally ablaze."* Men thought the end of the world had come. Look into this. It is most fascinating, and a sign of Christ's coming.

http://www.patmospapers.com/ndex/stars.htm