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I am very suprise no one ever talk about 666......

if you guy claim that God want "all" to be saved or "I will draw all to me" then why it said "whoever have the mark of the beast are going to hell with the devil and the false prophet"

so....any ideas?

Hiya,

The beast is the mind set on the things of man, and the false prophet is the religion that comes out of it.

:2c: :2c:

Whatever the mark is and however creative the interpretations are that you wind up hearing about, it's torments are limited to the ages of ages according to Revelation 14:11 and Andrew Jukes has this note on the ages language of Scripture in his book "Restitution of all things":

Every scholar knows that the expressions, "ages," "to the ages," "age of the ages," and "ages of the ages," are unlike anything which occurs in the heathen Greek writers. The reason is, that the inspired writers, and they alone, understood the mystery and purpose of the "ages." They, or at least the Spirit which spake by them, saw that there would be a succession of "ages," a certain number of which constituted another greater "age." It seems to me that when they simply intended a duration of many "ages," they wrote "to the ages." When they had in view a greater and more comprehensive "age," including in it many other subordinate "ages," they wrote "to the age of ages." When they intended the longer "age" alone, without regard to its constituent parts, they wrote "to an aeonial age"; this form of expression being a Hebraism, exactly equivalent to "age of the ages:" like "liberty of glory," for "glorious liberty," (Rom. viii. 21,) and "body of our vileness," for "our vile body." (Phil. iii. 21.) When they intended the several comprehensive "ages" collectively, they wrote "to the ages of ages." Each varying form is used with a distinct purpose and meaning.

Time limited...hell's a mistranslation...God's punishments are corrective and culminate in His becoming all in all

I Corinthians 15:20  But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.

21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.

22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,

24then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

26The last enemy that will be abolished is death.

27For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.

28When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.


http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/all-in-all.htm

God's blessing, James.

Quote from: IceDash on January 16, 2009, 05:19:03 AM
I am very suprise no one ever talk about 666......

if you guy claim that God want "all" to be saved or "I will draw all to me" then why it said "whoever have the mark of the beast are going to hell with the devil and the false prophet"

so....any ideas?

I'm waiting to see someone with a Bar Code across their forehead and the right scanning equipment to let me know he's the beast. 

To say that it's just a mentality doesn't work for me 'cause if it's a mentality, then it's evidently already "in Hell."  That being the case, then how could it go to Hell in a special way in a sense that it's not already in Hell when Revelation 14 says that those that receive that mark are going to burn for it?  That's separate and distinct from any sense in which a mental state would already be burning in it's own corrupt juices.  I've heard some say that the idea behind torment in that chapter is touch stoning.  That's only helpful from our perspective and to our perspective.  To it's recipients it's unquestionably torment, whatever higher purpose is buried in the Greek, in better translations, and in the mind of the Spirit.  If you were in that touch stoning right now, there's no question mark on the fact that you'd be wailing like a child; totally bellowing.  But since the implication of Revelation is the Lake of Fire for those that receive this mark, and it's the removal of one's name from the Lamb's book of life, and since the Lake of Fire is the second death, then the laws of 1Corinthians 15 apply about death being the last enemy is to be abolished, because what's mortal must put on immortality and what's corruptible must put on incorruption so that the saying is brought to pass that's written death is swallowed up in victory, "Where, Death, is your sting? Where, Hell, is your victory??"  As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive, but each in His own order...then comes "the completion" when He delivers up all to the Father.

Yes, and then he told them to go pull the money out of the fish's mouth to pay the taxes.  rofl

OK, I've seen a lot of reasons why we believe it's something else . . .but "why" do I believe the mark is not what traditions say it is?  For me, Scripture plainly states what the mark is . . .

Revelation 13
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I've stated this before . . . Revelation was never intended to be given to just any Joe Blow that decided to thumb through the book . . .it was originally intended for a bondservant . . . one who went through hell on earth . .and in the end, they chose to remain a servant to the Father . . .only not out of debt, but out of love . .that's what a bondservant is.  The reason this is important, is because through that intimate relationship, understanding and wisdom flow.  That's why John wrote deliberately "here is wisdom, let him that hath understanding . . ."  It's not a literal application . . .it's a spiritual one.

It states plainly . . . the mark of the beast is NOT a creature come to wreak havoc and bring a slaughter to the saints all over again.  It's the mark of man . .it is a SYMBOL of the NATURE of man.  The fact that it's on man's forehead is speaking to the MIND.  I've shared this and will continue to share this . . .my mind is my worst enemy.  My mind is the antichrist.  My mind is at emnity against God . .it's at war with God.  It doesn't have the capacity to understand True Godly things.  It has images of godly things . . but it can't comprehend God's nature . .He's just to infinite.

The mark on the wrists . . deal with . .IMO . .works.  The carnal minded man is a laboring mind, works based mentality.  It's a revelation of Jesus Christ and his relationship with man . .how he redeems man from his carnal prison and gives him life and freedom in Truth and Life . . .Revelation is a hymn book . . .not a death sentence.  

That's just it . . .what I think is last, is first in God's realm.  What I think is least, is greatest.  In other words . . .as long as I walk according to my natural reasoning, my conclusions are literally going to be backwards to what reality in the kingdom really is.  So if we look at Revelation as fear and death . . .that is an indication that we're reading it wrong.  It's a book of life and light . . .and until man can read it in that perspective, there will be no revelation of Christ to him at all.

Goliath had the mark of man all over him . . .6 fingers, 6 toes, he spear was 6 cubics . . .he wore brass . . .which is judgment . . .God's alphabet is colors, numbers and elements . .not letters and words.  He uses natural things to illuminate his true nature.  When we learn the language, we'll see His truth.  But learning will only come by way of relationship in the spirit . .not by knowledge from flesh and blood.

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 16, 2009, 09:12:51 PM
I heard them all Im not convinced but given if we are a hearer only and not a doer I see it sometimes having victory over our own image = God lets men see they are no different from the beasts  :grin:  The right hand of fellowship (and fathers name written upon them) verses mark them who cause divisions and have no fellowship with the deeds of darkness even as Cain verses gaining victory over our own faces (image of the beast). Missing the mark verses aiming for the mark of the high call and bying the truth and selling it not but I'm not certain on things. Not denying the obvious spiritually speaking but can see how the other can be arrived at, I can reason as a man  :grin:

  That is well put
  I know that the Lord told  the  scribes pharriesses and hypocrites , That they could discern the face of the sky ,  but not the times  :mshock: :mblush:
Ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?


Luk 12:57 Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?




     the face of the sky  , they could
   face image of the beast  they could not see , they never looked  at their own face
  nor could the see the Face of Christ
   :HeartThrob:

Nathan, I don't think I'd ever caught that on Goliath before...wow, cool, in a spooky sort of way!

Quotethe face of the sky  , they could
   face image of the beast  they could not see , they never looked  at their own face
  nor could the see the Face of Christ
   



Sis can you explain some more, what do you mean because Jesus Jesus said do as they *SAY* but NOT as they DO for they SAY but DO NOT?   Meaning they dont overcome their own image (face) as natural brute beasts? 

  Right they could see the  face of the sky  discern that
  but not  their own  face [image]
   i  DID AND DO say that lol

  the bug in Tentmaker today is driving me nuts! 
it will not work half the time ? weird   

Quote from: Nathan on January 16, 2009, 08:52:31 PM
It states plainly . . . the mark of the beast is NOT a creature come to wreak havoc and bring a slaughter to the saints all over again.

Really?  It plainly says otherwise to me:

7 And to it was given to do battle with the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and people and language and nation.
8 And all who are dwelling on the earth will be worshiping it, everyone whose name is not written in the scroll of life of the Lambkin slain from the disruption of the world.
9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. (Revelation 13:7-9)

On a spirtual note, however, it's looking like having one's name written in the Lamb's book of life is related to whether or not you're daily standing on the 91st Psalm, Isaiah 54, and the other protective promises of the Word; whether or not you're daily rejoicing in the Lord for that being one of His benefits, as Psalm 103 would put it.  I've counted 5 references so far regarding people whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life in relation to being delivered from temporal calamities.  Luke 10:19 says nothing will hurt you -- one of the more famous authority passages regarding serpents and scorpions -- and verse 20 says to rejoice that your names are written in heaven.  I could demonstrate from Philippians where St. Paul expected nothing to be able to harm him, bodily, without his permission, and then chapter 4 says his name's written in the Lamb's book of life.  One of the letters to the Churches in Revelation, your name won't get erased and you won't be hurt by the second death.  Then this in chapter 13 that I've quoted above that if your name's not written in the book, you're prevailed against and conquered by the beast and your torment will ascend to the ages of ages according to the following chapter.  Chapter 20 of Revelation, if the name's not in the book, then you'll be in the 2Peter 3 conflagration if you're on the earth at that time. 

Revelation 3:5 connects having one's name written in the Lamb's Book of Life with the High Priestly ministry of Jesus in the book of Hebrews where He stands watch over the words of our mouths to bring them to pass.  So, having one's name in the book is about having a working understanding with Jesus's ongoing present day ministry and being a partaker of His grace and mercy from the throne of grace with boldness, and only with boldness as Hebrews 4:16 would indicate, so that we enter into that rest as He brings our words to pass as we follow Him wherever He goes, as Revelation 7 says.  I'm really surprised that I'd never connected the Lamb's Book of Life before with the Covenant of His High Priesthood, even as one who regularly practices the petition form of prayer with having those Scriptures with me everywhere that I go that I'm standing on at the time signed and dated of when I believe I received when I prayed according to Mark 11:24 and countless other passages.  I'm astonished that I'd never seen that before that the book of life has the names of those that realize that His promises aren't yes and no.  No one who regards His promises as yes and no has any part with Him in His High Priestly ministry.  Duh!  That just completely clarified for me.

The wisdom of the 666 situation, according to Revelation 13 is that one's name is removed from the book of life the moment they enter into the deceitfulness of riches in thinking that they have to add to themselves through the buying, selling, or holding a job when we're supposed to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and have all of these things added to us, being rich in good works ready to give and distribute laying a good foundation for the time to come when we need to lay hold on that eonian life to meet each of the needs of this life.  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ IS that He that was rich became poor that we through His poverty on the Cross would be made rich, according to 2Corinthians 8:9.  Our needs are met by our giving and our holding fast to our confession of faith without wavering, knowing that He's faithful that promised to confess our names before the Father and His angels to see to it that our every need is abundantly met according to His riches in glory through His High Priestly ministry.  We can do all things through that High Priestly ministry of His that strengthens us 'cause His High Priestly ministry is His Present Day reality through which He dispenses the grace, or sufficiency of God.  The 666 point is the point where we sever ourselves from the grace and faith of His righteousness, going about to establish our own righteousness and not submitting ourselves to the righteousness of God.  Anything that's in our lives that's not a matter of our sowing and reaping and our every single word coming to pass through His High Priestly ministry has 666 all over it.  And it's going to burn in the 1Corinthians 5 flames and we're not even going to get credit for it, even if we gave our bodies to be burned for it, according to 1Corinthians 13.  But if we did it outside of the living realities of faith, expectancy, and love, then it was just a bunch of noise rather than an odor of a sweet savour to Him, a sacrifice acceptable, well pleasing to God.

Ec 3:18 I said in my heart: It is on account of the sons of humanity That the One, Elohim, seeks to manifest them And to show them that they themselves are beasts.

Ec 3:19 For the destiny of the sons of humanity And the destiny of the beast, It is one destiny for them; As death is for this one, so is death for that one, And one spirit is for all; There is no advantage for the human over the beast, For the whole is vanity.


There is debate over whether Rev 13:18 means "a man" or "mankind" however,  I think the search for the singular beast is a deception as I do not know anyone yet who hasn't at some point wondered "who" the beast is.

I think it could easily be said the whole world is deceived as the bible says satan will.  the bible does not say the whole world is decieved at the same time or over the same thing.

To me, we are the beast.   Mankind has brought untold evils upon one another since it began,  what more do we have to fear from just "one"?

As we try to see the "bad" beast as we try to decifer who it could be,  Why George Bush SR, possibly because he said one world order, OH NOEZ.

Why it certainly couldn't be us could it?

;)

You also have to think that the majority of thought over the beast comes from Christendom and the DOOM of HELL forever.

something to ponder

 :cloud9: My  :2c:......We were born with the "mark" of the carnal beastly nature; imperfect (one less than 7) spirit, soul and body.

We were born, in other words, into the "book" or generations of man, as opposed to the generation of Christ (who shall declare His generation), which is the book of life written within us, that is being unsealed and "read" every time He gives us more revelation of HIM.

Mark in the forehead = carnal mind as opposed to perfect mind of Christ.

Mark in the hands = works of the flesh as opposed to the HG doing the works.

Buying and selling = denotes that someone has lack, as opposed to, of His same fullness have we all received.

All we have to do to die, in other words, is be NORMAL, LOL....:winkgrin: Blessings....

Quote from: martincisneros on January 16, 2009, 09:52:50 PM

Quote from: Nathan on January 16, 2009, 08:52:31 PM
It states plainly . . . the mark of the beast is NOT a creature come to wreak havoc and bring a slaughter to the saints all over again.

Really?  It plainly says otherwise to me:

7 And to it was given to do battle with the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and people and language and nation.
8 And all who are dwelling on the earth will be worshiping it, everyone whose name is not written in the scroll of life of the Lambkin slain from the disruption of the world.
9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. (Revelation 13:7-9)

On a spirtual note, however, it's looking like having one's name written in the Lamb's book of life is related to whether or not you're daily standing on the 91st Psalm, Isaiah 54, and the other protective promises of the Word; whether or not you're daily rejoicing in the Lord for that being one of His benefits, as Psalm 103 would put it.  I've counted 5 references so far regarding people whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life in relation to being delivered from temporal calamities.  Luke 10:19 says nothing will hurt you -- one of the more famous authority passages regarding serpents and scorpions -- and verse 20 says to rejoice that your names are written in heaven.  I could demonstrate from Philippians where St. Paul expected nothing to be able to harm him, bodily, without his permission, and then chapter 4 says his name's written in the Lamb's book of life.  One of the letters to the Churches in Revelation, your name won't get erased and you won't be hurt by the second death.  Then this in chapter 13 that I've quoted above that if your name's not written in the book, you're prevailed against and conquered by the beast and your torment will ascend to the ages of ages according to the following chapter.  Chapter 20 of Revelation, if the name's not in the book, then you'll be in the 2Peter 3 conflagration if you're on the earth at that time. 

Revelation 3:5 connects having one's name written in the Lamb's Book of Life with the High Priestly ministry of Jesus in the book of Hebrews where He stands watch over the words of our mouths to bring them to pass.  So, having one's name in the book is about having a working understanding with Jesus's ongoing present day ministry and being a partaker of His grace and mercy from the throne of grace with boldness, and only with boldness as Hebrews 4:16 would indicate, so that we enter into that rest as He brings our words to pass as we follow Him wherever He goes, as Revelation 7 says.  I'm really surprised that I'd never connected the Lamb's Book of Life before with the Covenant of His High Priesthood, even as one who regularly practices the petition form of prayer with having those Scriptures with me everywhere that I go that I'm standing on at the time signed and dated of when I believe I received when I prayed according to Mark 11:24 and countless other passages.  I'm astonished that I'd never seen that before that the book of life has the names of those that realize that His promises aren't yes and no.  No one who regards His promises as yes and no has any part with Him in His High Priestly ministry.  Duh!  That just completely clarified for me.

The wisdom of the 666 situation, according to Revelation 13 is that one's name is removed from the book of life the moment they enter into the deceitfulness of riches in thinking that they have to add to themselves through the buying, selling, or holding a job when we're supposed to seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and have all of these things added to us, being rich in good works ready to give and distribute laying a good foundation for the time to come when we need to lay hold on that eonian life to meet each of the needs of this life.  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ IS that He that was rich became poor that we through His poverty on the Cross would be made rich, according to 2Corinthians 8:9.  Our needs are met by our giving and our holding fast to our confession of faith without wavering, knowing that He's faithful that promised to confess our names before the Father and His angels to see to it that our every need is abundantly met according to His riches in glory through His High Priestly ministry.  We can do all things through that High Priestly ministry of His that strengthens us 'cause His High Priestly ministry is His Present Day reality through which He dispenses the grace, or sufficiency of God.  The 666 point is the point where we sever ourselves from the grace and faith of His righteousness, going about to establish our own righteousness and not submitting ourselves to the righteousness of God.  Anything that's in our lives that's not a matter of our sowing and reaping and our every single word coming to pass through His High Priestly ministry has 666 all over it.  And it's going to burn in the 1Corinthians 5 flames and we're not even going to get credit for it, even if we gave our bodies to be burned for it, according to 1Corinthians 13.  But if we did it outside of the living realities of faith, expectancy, and love, then it was just a bunch of noise rather than an odor of a sweet savour to Him, a sacrifice acceptable, well pleasing to God.

No, really .  . . are you reading verse 9 there?  Or just skipping over it . . .it's all symbolizing something else . . .if it was to be taken literal, then why does the author keep deliberately telling the reader to listen?  It's a spiritual picture and yes, there is definitely a warring . . .it's the enmity between my carnality and the spirit . . .how many threads have we seen warring going on just on this forum? 

It's not as evil and wicked as people portray it to be . .it just is what it is.  Man is of the fallen state and when walking according to reasoning, sees everything from a fallen perspective . .but . . .the spirit of life is in you with the authority over carnal reasoning . . .we just have to exercise that authority.

Quote from: Cardinal on January 16, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
:cloud9: My  :2c:......We were born with the "mark" of the carnal beastly nature; imperfect (one less than 7) spirit, soul and body.

We were born, in other words, into the "book" or generations of man, as opposed to the generation of Christ (who shall declare His generation), which is the book of life written within us, that is being unsealed and "read" every time He gives us more revelation of HIM.

Mark in the forehead = carnal mind as opposed to perfect mind of Christ.

Mark in the hands = works of the flesh as opposed to the HG doing the works.

Buying and selling = denotes that someone has lack, as opposed to, of His same fullness have we all received.

All we have to do to die, in other words, is be NORMAL, LOL....:winkgrin: Blessings....

Yeah I think you guys are on the right track.

Who is referred to as a beast in scriptures?  As Paul pointed out:
Ec 3:18 I said in my heart: It is on account of the sons of humanity That the One, Elohim, seeks to manifest them And to show them that they themselves are beasts.

What about when the beast sits in the temple of God?  What is the temple of God?:
2 Cor 16 .. For we are the temple of the living God...

2 Thes 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

We sit in the "temple of God" (our own body) when we believe that we are in control and God is not.  We exalt ourselves as if we were a god and worship ourself instead of God.

There is no one grand "the antichrist" (singular).  Scripture always refers to it as "antichrist".

666 is the number of the beast and is the number of man (ie. mankind, not a single man).  We are the beast.  We are the man of lawlessness.  We are the spirit of antichrist.  That is, until we overcome our sinful nature.

Babylon is the harlot and represents the world's false church systems.

The mark is (signified) to be in the right hand (signifying works of Babylon) or in the forehead (signifying thoughts and teachings of Babylon).  We are commanded to "Come out of her" in Rev 18:4 (ie. Come out of Babylon).

Only those with the mark can buy and sell.  Buy and sell what?  Buying and selling indicates trade or trading.  We cannot trade the truth with Babylon - they will not allow it unless we have the mark.  Anyone tried to share the truth of UR with someone in Babylon?  You won't get very far and will be thrown out of the church if you press.  The only hope of sharing UR is if those you share it with come out of Babylon themselves.  No one with the mark will believe the truth because they believe their own "truths" of Babylon.  As you can see, if we don't take the mark, we can't buy and sell with them.

Those who never give up the mark are stuck in Babylon and will eventually go into the Lake of Fire with the unbelievers.  (luckily its not forever)

JMHO but this makes the most sense over any "one-world government/one-world currency/left behind" scenario that I've read.

Read L. Ray Smith's Lake of Fire series on bible-truths.com for a very in-depth study of this.

Cheers,
Legoman

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 16, 2009, 10:25:53 PM


HERE is Wisdom... WHERE IS IT?  :grin:

:icon_flower:
seems solomon Talked some,...kinda mentions Shebas gifts :icon_flower:

2Ch 9:9 And she gave the king an hundred and twenty talents of gold, and of spices great abundance, and precious stones: neither was there any such spice as the queen of Sheba gave king Solomon.

2Ch 9:13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;   :icon_flower:

:happygrin:

Quote from: Cardinal on January 16, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
:cloud9: My  :2c:......We were born with the "mark" of the carnal beastly nature; imperfect (one less than 7) spirit, soul and body.

We were born, in other words, into the "book" or generations of man, as opposed to the generation of Christ (who shall declare His generation), which is the book of life written within us, that is being unsealed and "read" every time He gives us more revelation of HIM.

Mark in the forehead = carnal mind as opposed to perfect mind of Christ.

Mark in the hands = works of the flesh as opposed to the HG doing the works.

Buying and selling = denotes that someone has lack, as opposed to, of His same fullness have we all received.

All we have to do to die, in other words, is be NORMAL, LOL....:winkgrin: Blessings....

Flesh V Spirit , kinda of a WAR going on me thinks :icon_flower:

Quote from: legomanCome out of her" in Rev 18:4 (ie. Come out of Babylon).

To be BIRTHED as a SON..... :icon_flower:

Quote from: Taffy on January 16, 2009, 11:55:35 PM

Quote from: legomanCome out of her" in Rev 18:4 (ie. Come out of Babylon).

To be BIRTHED as a SON..... :icon_flower:

Yes good point  :bigGrin:

QuoteMy  ......We were born with the "mark" of the carnal beastly nature; imperfect (one less than 7) spirit, soul and body.

SHORT in STATURE maybe

Mat 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

Luk 19:2 And, behold, [there was] a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.


Luk 19:3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.


Luk 19:4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that [way].


Luk 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.


Luk 19:6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.


Luk 19:7 And when they saw [it], they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

Luk 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore [him] fourfold.


Luk 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

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Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Quote from: Taffy on January 16, 2009, 11:44:41 PM
:icon_flower:
seems solomon Talked some,...kinda mentions Shebas gifts :icon_flower:

2Ch 9:9 And she gave the king an hundred and twenty talents of gold, and of spices great abundance, and precious stones: neither was there any such spice as the queen of Sheba gave king Solomon.

2Ch 9:13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;   :icon_flower:  :happygrin:

:cloud9: Yep, God had her bring the materials for the golden ephod and the holy incense but without the wisdom that he had to compound it and apply it to that which is holy, it couldn't do her any good. But when she saw the wisdom, there was no more breath left in her (ie. she gave up the "ghost"/died to self). Wisdom, is the principal thing.

And so will those in the outer court when He has finished the work in the saviours that will arise on Mt. Zion. Blessings.....

Quote from: Taffy on January 17, 2009, 12:04:23 AM

SHORT in STATURE maybe
Mat 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

:cloud9: Yes, that's good, never connected that part with it, but that would also apply nicely. Thanks! Blessings....

QuoteWisdom, is the principal thing.

Purchasing TRUE wisdom with the PRICE of carnality :sigh:

. 1Cr 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 

1Cr 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.


1Cr 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

1Cr 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
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Couple more references to buying & selling:

Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth and do not sell it;
       get wisdom, discipline and understanding.

Matthew 21:12 is most likely speaking of literal buying & selling in the temple, but it probably also has spiritual meaning.  Prov 23:23 speaks of buying and selling the truth.  Who is it that buy & sell the truth in the temples of Babylon?  Those who have the mark of the beast.  Without the mark you cannot buy or sell the truth with Babylon.  Also note it says to "not sell" the truth... I'm not quite sure the significance of that - perhaps we can't sell it because we don't have the mark, or because they won't accept it?

Legoman

Buying and selling, having the mark....After years serving in the praise band, when I broached the subject of removing my "membership" from the denomination and asked if I'd still be welcome to play, the answer was "probably not...you either need to be for us or against us".  That was the last time I ever played a note in the praise band...and within the next couple of weeks I was asked to turn in my key to the sanctuary...hmmmm....I wanted to say "membership in the club really does have its privileges, doesn't it?"...but I didn't.

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 17, 2009, 05:10:21 AM
I looked at the same Legoman, and turned this upside down inside out spiritualized it but I have not once got "this is it" yet and that always happens when your familiar with the pieces in every which way.

Its driving me nuts  :grin: No wisdom **here**  :grin: I'll be the first to admit

I can post my study pieces but I have nothing revelatory on it. I see things that appear to connect but then follow them through elsewhere they dont seem to fit (well at least not for me). I cant pull anything more into it and I just stare at the pieces and can do nothing with them  :grin:

What you're doing right here is showing an excellent attitude...sometimes we just don't have it all yet, and admitting it with a good spirit is a great witness... :gthumbsup:.

  Hi all , I sure dont know
but got these  2pieces/ Clues   here ..lol

  the  7 vials are all the wrath of God , when poured out it is done [Gods wrath is complete] these  7 vials are poured out

   what a puzzle  huh? :umnick: :dunno2:

  the mark /idolatrous images  of the beast  having the name and or number    either or of the  3

a scarlet beast/kings of the earth   who the WOMAN  SITS upon    BEING  the great whore  Babylon [false church]  that buys and sells [lies as calls  it  the truth } but it is a false image   because the Truth  is Jesus Christ / Word of God ..
She also SITS  upon many waters  BOTH  to me being many  tongues peoples and nations and the kings  of the earth /leaders/ Beast

  Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. [  Beast  as a whole/ many  ]




Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 

    it was  TO HAVE in possesion  the name / mark / number 
in the verse above it is  refused to worship / image / mark


  Daniel refused to bow down and worship  King Nebunchadnezers  Image  he created to glorify himself  with 
  this is all i got and its  not much lol  :dontknow:

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HERE is Wisdom... WHERE IS IT?  :grin:

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seems solomon Talked some,...kinda mentions Shebas gifts :icon_flower:

2Ch 9:9 And she gave the king an hundred and twenty talents of gold, and of spices great abundance, and precious stones: neither was there any such spice as the queen of Sheba gave king Solomon.

2Ch 9:13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;   :icon_flower:

:happygrin:

Ezek 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures: Ezek 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

:grin:

:Sparkletooth:

Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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QuoteHow long was Jesus upon the earth before He was taken up? 

QuoteMat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

wow  that was  awesome guys! 

  Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; 

so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.   :HeartThrob:

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Quote from: rosered on January 17, 2009, 07:42:01 PM

QuoteHow long was Jesus upon the earth before He was taken up? 

QuoteMat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

wow  that was  awesome guys! 

  Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; 

so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.   :HeartThrob:

Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

:grin: I mean afterwards  :grin: The rain was upon earth and Christ was upon the earth the same time  :grin: Get it? Hath the RAIN a Father? = This is MY SON. The preaching in the days of Noah = My doctrine as the Rain

Genesis 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

ok  :mblush:  oh well    sorry about that  , good work  sis  :thumbsup:        when the new covenant come in effect , the mercy and grace was  given as the days of Noe /Noah  rest  :icon_flower:

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 17, 2009, 07:50:01 PM

Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

:grin: I mean afterwards  :grin: The rain was upon earth and Christ was upon the earth the same time  :grin: Get it? Hath the RAIN a Father? = This is MY SON. The preaching in the days of Noah = My doctrine as the Rain

Genesis 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

:cloud9: I like this  :thumbsup: that was awesome........

http://www.nypost.com/photos/galleries/news/regionalnews/pp_20090116_plane_crash/photo05.htm



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Exodus 19:4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

 :cloud9: Ok, this is going to be a long one, and it's been awhile since He gave me this and I'm doing it all from memory, but this is what He gave me. I had a night vision of a huge (probably 600 lbs) naked woman sitting on a man I knew who was a pastor. Adam was also the first shepherd as well as the first priest; it was given him to have dominion over the animals of the earth. Adam was a red man, from the earth, ruddy in the face/blood of Adam nature, our sins are as scarlet = scarlet beast.

        The woman is as the Jezebel spirit, who sits upon all the nations of the earth, usurping the authority (the authority rests upon the shoulders) of the HG/anointing of the true priesthood. Note that her garments speak of the riches found in Christ that are given to the priesthood, spiritually.

        Her end is to be burned with fire; the HG comes with tongues of fire upon our heads, for this reason. Eve usurped the authority of Adam, she "sat" on him instead of him ruling over her. This is the reason why ruling kings sit elevated above the rest of the people. It's symbolic of sitting upon the shoulders of those they yoked, as beasts of burden are yoked about the neck. When our King finishes the work in us, He sits upon the throne of our hearts. To sit is a Hebraism meaning, my work is finished and I rest now. The authority of God (mind of Christ) is to rest upon our shoulders.

        In Deut. 7 the Israelites were told to overcome 7 nations. Seven doesn't just speak of the fullness of God, but can be as the fullness of darkness of our souls also (iniquity is full). These 7 nations are the 7 "heads" that must be overthrown in us to inherit the promised land = glorified body, and they speak of the fullness of iniquity in us. God told them that if they did not obey all His statutes and all His commandments, then all the curses of the Egyptians would come upon them. This includes the one of the death of the firstborn. Firstborn/flesh dies, as opposed to receiving the glorified body.

        The head has 10 horns. Horns means power. There are 10 words (/laws/commandments) that must be fulfilled by fulfilling the 2, ie. love thy God with all thy heart and strength, and thy neighbor as thyself. All the 10 hang upon these 2.

        The 2 "stones" given at Sinai must be fulfilled, else as the priests were disqualified from serving God if a "stone" of theirs was broken (stone/ability to reproduce His nature), so too are we disqualified as a priest in the priestly nation if we do not allow Him to fulfill these things in our hearts. Adam was disqualified as a priest for this reason, unable to reproduce the nature of the Christ, and so reproduced in the image of iniquity/flesh.

        Satan was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING. He "raped" Eve (ie. imposed HIS ruler ship over her) and as Adam and Eve were one, "murdered' her husband through it, because death came from sin, ie. missing the mark of the Spirit the mind of Christ, to take on the mark of the beast, the carnal mind. She got out from under her covering, and so Satan had a "legal" right to "touch" her.

        Male member - speaks of the righteousness of Christ's Spirit that plants the seed, ie. His Spirit/breath comes to us to direct our path in love, the opposite is the spirit of rape that tries to force it's authority upon the woman/soul (also the woman/church) to plant IT"S "seed" though hate, hate and murder being as the same sin.

        David forced his will upon Bathsheba (as spiritual rape), and then murdered her husband.

        This same thing tried to replay when Satan spoke through Peter, after our Lord spoke of the manner in which He should die, ie. the proceeding word of life from the Father's mouth, and said to Him, "Be it far from You, Lord", as he tried to appeal to the "woman/soul" that he hoped he would find "uncovered" again.

        Jesus was taken to the cross (rape spirit usurped the authority of the Christ forcing it's will upon the flesh, ie. "woman/soul" of Jesus), and then it tried to murder "her" husband, but the Spirit of this Adam can never die.

        When "Lucifer" said, "I will" 5 times, he was speaking out of his own heart (the mouth speaks out of the fullness of the heart) of iniquity (Eve, the stony heart of Adam) usurping the true ruler ship of God's Spirit, and breaking the first "stone".

        Adam, the anointed cherub that covereth (made like a priest, ie. a High priest with stones as his covering) was supposed to be the shepherd/king, covering/priest, set in the garden to have dominion (a king has dominion, a priest offers up sacrifices for others), and was perfect in all of his ways until the day iniquity was found in him.

        Iniquity was FOUND in him, because the wheat and the tares are both raised up together. When the Spirit of God spoke to Adam, the life of that "watered" both the wheat and the tare nature within. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. This is why when the sons of God came before God, Satan came among them, as the tares are raised up too.
       
        The word "found" there in the Hebrew runs into words meaning; to appear, to come forth, issue out as offspring, something risen, to be present, to utter, to finish.

        God "found" the iniquity in the sense that by watering it He caused it to come forth, it has a voice it utters against His, and He makes the iniquity to become full, so that when it is, He can FINISH IT, ie. "It is finished."

        This is how Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, the Father allowed the iniquity to become full (this is why He bore our sins), HE brought it forth, then HE cut the head off the serpent nature so that it could speak no more through Eve, nor produce offspring, if we accept the death of the flesh that harbors sin, and receive the mind of Christ (new heart) that produces the Son in our midst (new offspring, ie. the lambkin, offspring of THE Lamb, that stands upon Mt. Zion). In so doing, now WISDOM UTTERS her voice, the wisdom that is from above.

        It is finished, our "end" became as our beginning and our beginning became as our end, thus Revelation and Genesis have come face to face again in the circle/revolution, that Genesis means. The "jot and the tittle" that separated them has been fulfilled.

        So, God took this iniquity out of his heart, so he could see it face to face, ie. see what was in his own heart. He later told the Israelites that He had taken them out in the wilderness (sin is a wilderness) to show them what was in their hearts, repeating the pattern.

        The Lord said, I have life (as opposed to rape-His will over Satan's) and life everlasting (as opposed to murder and death) to give.

        Lust of the eyes = rape
        Lust of the flesh = murder
        Pride of life = that which is produced from the union of the two

        We must through His Spirit overcome these three just as He did in the wilderness, to enter back into the garden (glorified body). Eye hath not seen (as opposed to seeing the fruit and desiring it), and ear has not heard (as opposed to hearing the voice of iniquity in Eve and choosing it), what the Lord has prepared for those that love Him. Blessings to all....

Quote from: CardinalI had a night vision of a huge (probably 600 lbs) naked woman sitting on a man I knew who was a pastor.

Revelation 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Quoteour sins are as scarlet = scarlet beast.

Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

QuoteThe woman is the Jezebel spirit, who sits upon all the nations of the earth, usurping the authority (the authority rests upon the shoulders--[/i]..and the government will be on his shoulders.[/i]Isa 9;6 ) of the HG/anointing of the true priesthood. Note that her garments speak of the riches found in Christ that are given to the priesthood, spiritually.

11I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

13Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

--Eze 16

QuoteIn Deut. 7 the Israelites were told to overcome 7 nations. Seven doesn't just speak of the fullness of God, but can be as the fullness of darkness also (iniquity is full). These 7 nations are the 7 "heads" that must be overthrown in us to inherit the promised land = glorified body, and they speak of the fullness of iniquity in us.

1When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgacrapes, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

QuoteThe head has 10 horns. Horns means power. There are 10 words (/laws/commandments) that must be fulfilled by fulfilling the 2, ie. love thy God with all thy heart and strength, and thy neighbor as thyself. All the 10 hang upon these 2.

..having seven heads and ten horns [Rev 17:3]


Matthew 22:40
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

QuoteThe 2 "stones" given at Sinai must be fulfilled, else as the priests were disqualified from serving God if a "stone" of theirs was broken (stone/ability to reproduce His nature), so too are we disqualified as a priest in the priestly nation if we do not allow Him to fulfill these things in our hearts. Adam was disqualified as a priest for this reason, unable to reproduce the nature of the Christ, and so reproduced in the image of iniquity/flesh.

20Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

21No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

--Lev 21

 :cloud9: I just got something else quickened to me. I had wondered about the fact the woman was sitting on his shoulders and He gave me that, but just now He gave me more about it. To sit on someone like that means the thighs are around their neck, LIKE A YOKE. The thigh speaks of covenant, in part because of the fact a sword rests on the thigh, and because God had the angel of the Lord smite Jacob's thigh, which changed his walk forever.

But I just saw this in a new way, as the thigh also speaks of the loins/place of reproduction, and so by yoking the neck of a person, it forces the reproduction of the darkness of the soulish nature, as opposed to the light of Christ, ie. my yoke is LIGHT. Just another confirmation of the fact, we've all been unequally yoked by the carnal mind, by design, LOL......Blessings.....

Quote from: CardinalSatan was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING. He "raped" Eve (ie. imposed HIS rulership over her) and as Adam and Eve were one, "murdered' her husband through it, because death came from sin, ie. missing the mark of the Spirit the mind of Christ, to take on the mark of the beast, the carnal mind. She got out from under her covering, and so Satan had a "legal" right to "touch" her.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


Revelation 14:9
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

QuoteMale member - speaks of the righteousness of Christ's Spirit that plants the seed, ie. His Spirit/breath comes to us to direct our path in love, the opposite is the spirit of rape that tries to force it's authority upon the woman/soul (also the woman/church) to plant IT"S "seed" though hate, hate and murder being as the same sin.

David forced his will upon Bathsheba (as spiritual rape), and then murdered her husband.

19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

--Mat 13

QuoteThis same thing tried to replay when Satan spoke through Peter, after our Lord spoke of the manner in which He should die, ie. "Be if far from You, Lord", as he tried to appeal to the "woman/soul" that he hoped he would find "uncovered" again.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!"

--Mat 16

Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Quote from: CardinalJesus was taken to the cross (rape spirit usurped the authority of the Christ forcing it's will upon the flesh, ie. "woman/soul" of Jesus), and then it tried to murder "her" husband, but the Spirit of this Adam can never die.

Luke 22:53
When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.


John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

QuoteWhen Lucifer said, "I will" 5 times, he was speaking out of his own heart (the mouth speaks out of the fullness of the heart) of iniquity (Eve, the stony heart of Adam) usurping the true rulership of God's Spirit, and breaking the first "stone".

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

--Isa 14



Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

 :cloud9: ROFL, good one. As a woman, is it not always our THIGHS that bother us the most?  :mshock:

Seriously though, the water revealed in the natural what had already happened in the Spirit. Unfaithfulness to her husband/union with Satan/rape, produced death in her walk/murder, and brought forth offspring/pride of life (belly).

No wonder then that union with HIS Spirit produces covenant relationship, new walk in life, and new offspring = out of our bellies shall flow rivers of living waters. Blessings...

PS. I was also thinking about the swelling as being like the leaven of the Pharisees who were of their father the devil. Leaven causes to swell.....?

Quote from: CardinalAdam, the anointed cherub that covereth (made like a priest, ie. a High priest with stones as his covering) was supposed to be the shepard/king, covering/priest, set in the garden to have dominion (a king has dominion, a priest offers up sacrifices for others), and was perfect in all of his ways until the day iniquity was found in him.

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

--Eze 28

QuoteIniquity was found in him, because the wheat and the tares are raised up together. When the Spirit of God spoke to Adam, the life of that "watered" both the wheat and the tare nature within. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. This is why when the sons of God came before God, Satan came among them.

Matthew 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Joshua 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Job 1

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


Rev 22

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Quote from: CardinalGod "found" the iniquity in the sense that by watering it He caused it to come forth, it has a voice it utters against His, and He makes the iniquity to become full, so that when it is, He can FINISH IT, ie. "It is finished."

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

"was found" [in thee]

H4672
מצא
mâtsâ'
maw-tsaw'
A primitive root; properly to come forth to, that is, appear or exist; transitively to attain, that is, find or acquire; figuratively to occur, meet or be present: -  + be able, befall, being, catch, X certainly (cause to) come (on, to, to hand), deliver, be enough (cause to) find (-ing, occasion, out), get (hold upon), X have (here), be here, hit, be left, light (up-) on, meet (with), X occasion serve, (be) present, ready, speed, suffice, take hold on.


Genesis 26:19
And Isaac's servants digged in the valley, and found there a well of springing water.

QuoteThis is how Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, the Father allowed the iniquity to become full (this is why He bore our sins), HE brought it forth, then HE cut the head off the serpent nature so that it could speak no more through Eve, nor produce offspring, if we accept the death of the flesh that harbors sin, and receive the mind of Christ (new heart) that produces the Son in our midst (new offspring, ie. the lambkin, offspring of THE Lamb, that stands upon Mt. Zion). In so doing, now WISDOM UTTERS her voice, the wisdom that is from above.

29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

--Mat 13





Gen 3

14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.



"bruise"

H7779
שׁוּף
shûph
shoof
A primitive root; properly to gape, that is, snap at; figuratively to overwhelm: - break, bruise, cover.



Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:




Obadiah 1
21And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.



James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Quote from: Molly on January 17, 2009, 10:59:17 PM

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

"bruise"

H7779
שׁוּף
shûph
shoof
A primitive root; properly to gape, that is, snap at; figuratively to overwhelm: - break, bruise, cover.

:cloud9: Hey, Molly, I saw something different in this when I read it. The enmity He puts between them is Christ as Christ becomes the covering (bruise/to cover) again, ie. exalted above all principalities and powers (Satan).

Satan becomes the covering of the his heel = put Satan under His feet. Thanks for posting all this..... :thumbsup:

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 17, 2009, 11:01:35 PM
But Card doesnt James speak of the bitter waters that should not come out of our mouth? The same she was actually made to drink?  What are they called? The bitter waters that causeth a curse. And James says can a fount bring forth both bitter and sweet waters (in relation to blessing and cursing)? Recall that?

:cloud9: The water was the HOLY water/Spirit that was defiled (MADE bitter) by the earth/flesh from off the tabernacle floor. If she sinned it brought her iniquity to remembrance, remembrance as in re-membering her body of sin, the body being made to display/witness the effects of the curse/sin.

If she didn't sin, then the dirt/flesh would not witness against her, just as the Pharisees accused Jesus of sin in lawbreaking, but there was no sin, and so death could not hold Him, ie. His flesh arose again as a witness for Him, as in NEW LIFE.

The opposite is when the Lord said to do this in REMEMBRANCE of Him, ie. to re-member or build up His body which is Spirit, IN US, through true communion, ie. partaking of the bread/Word with the light of the Spirit/wine. Blessings....

Here is the text....

Numbers 5: 15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: 17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: 

19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: 20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, F11 and thy belly to swell; 22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: 24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. 25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:

26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. 27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28 AND IF THE WOMAN/FLESH BE NOT DEFILED, BUT BE CLEAN; THEN SHE SHALL BE FREE, AND SHALL CONCEIVE SEED (bring forth new life). 

29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; 30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. 31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

Quote from: Cardinal on January 17, 2009, 11:12:04 PM

Quote from: Molly on January 17, 2009, 10:59:17 PM

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

"bruise"

H7779
שׁוּף
shûph
shoof
A primitive root; properly to gape, that is, snap at; figuratively to overwhelm: - break, bruise, cover.

:cloud9: Hey, Molly, I saw something different in this when I read it. The enmity He puts between them is Christ as Christ becomes the covering (bruise/to cover) again, ie. exalted above all principalities and powers (Satan).

Satan becomes the covering of the his heel = put Satan under His feet. Thanks for posting all this..... :thumbsup:

So this is what the covered head of the woman is?  Christ is covering the hair/thoughts, mind?

This idea of covering is coming up a lot for me lately.

you said satan is the covering of the heel?  as Jacob is the heel catcher?  Jacob/Israel carries the law.

I was thinking--the covering cherub was meant to cover to protect us with the veil--until we were ready to grow into Christ--but instead, he got carried away with his own power to hide and deceive and perverted his function--covering can be done to either protect, enlighten, or conceal/kill.

:sigh:

8Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

9Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

10I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

11I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

12And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.







15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

16And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,

18And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

--Eze 16

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 17, 2009, 11:46:32 PM
Ok Card let me understand a bit better. Are you saying these dont apply to us today like its a past thing only?

:cloud9: NO, I'm not saying it's a past thing only. It's just He shows me things sorta like reverse engineering. He's showing me the processes. Blessings....

8Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;

9And that ye may prolong your days in the land, which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give unto them and to their seed, a land that floweth with milk and honey.

10For the land, whither thou goest in to possess it, is not as the land of Egypt, from whence ye came out, where thou sowedst thy seed, and wateredst it with thy foot, as a garden of herbs:

11But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven:

12A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.

13And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

15And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.

16Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;

17And then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.

18Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

19And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

20And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:

21That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

--Deut 11

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
--Rev 14

Hi Guys , wasnt with it much yesterday, but great posts..much to ponder

1Cr 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

:icon_flower:

  Hi Kim

  when I read that I too wondered why ?   maybe  with the heart of a man , you can reason with
  but a beast  by nature  acts on instinct ?depending on the    kind of beast it is  :Chinscratch:  a  gentle  and innocent beast  such as a lamb 
  would be prey ,  a   wolf
  if  threatened they can attack


I so wonder  what type of beast  by nature  King Nebs heart was changed too?

what beast with claws as  nails and hair grown  like eagles  feathers  eat grass  like oxen   , those  are some clues maybe ?
 
  all flesh is as grass   
I have no idea   what exactly  went on  with King Neb ,  but Daniel  the book has become   inteeresting once again
  :HeartThrob:

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 18, 2009, 04:45:00 PM

Quote from: Taffy on January 18, 2009, 02:57:37 PM
Hi Guys , wasnt with it much yesterday, but great posts..much to ponder

1Cr 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

:icon_flower:

:thumbsup: Hey G great verse.

G you recall Nebby, when He got proud it speaks of him being driven from the sons of men and given the heart of a beast. Why didnt it just say he remained a beast/man? This is what Im trying to figure out. Why is "after the manner of men" distinct from beasts in the fight he fought too?

Do I make sense in my question or no?  :grin:

Thats a good question, But ultimately I see he has a Change of Heart, realising what Power he Had Came from above and not him.

Not sure what ya saing in the second part tho, but for mine ...the manner  of men is the Flesh or carnalmindedness , Dead to Understanding
again not sure what ya saying :icon_flower:

Quote from: Taffy on January 18, 2009, 05:52:16 PM

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 18, 2009, 04:45:00 PM

Quote from: Taffy on January 18, 2009, 02:57:37 PM
Hi Guys , wasnt with it much yesterday, but great posts..much to ponder

1Cr 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

:icon_flower:

:thumbsup: Hey G great verse.

G you recall Nebby, when He got proud it speaks of him being driven from the sons of men and given the heart of a beast. Why didnt it just say he remained a beast/man? This is what Im trying to figure out. Why is "after the manner of men" distinct from beasts in the fight he fought too?

Do I make sense in my question or no?  :grin:

Thats a good question, But ultimately I see he has a Change of Heart, realising what Power he Had Came from above and not him.

Not sure what ya saing in the second part tho, but for mine ...the manner  of men is the Flesh or carnalmindedness , Dead to Understanding
again not sure what ya saying :icon_flower:

Hi Bro G , what do you make of this , Kim is reffering to this  verse
  I also  am  wondering bro ?

Dan 4:16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

  the  question is why  a mans heart  and changed to a beasts heart ?
  not a  beasts heart to a  mans heart ?
  seems  odd  that change?  :dontknow:

  :HeartThrob:

 
 I am so glad you explained sis !
 I thought of David !  and how he   told it

a mans heart only understands his own ways
 and  this humbling  has to do with  being beastly before God  :mshock:


King Neb had the dreams  and made an Image  to worship , but  was not anythingof  the True God
As a dream when [one] awaketh; [so], O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.
Psa 73:21 Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.
Psa 73:22 So foolish [was] I, and ignorant: I was [as] a beast before thee.

Psa 73:23 Nevertheless I [am] continually with thee: thou hast holden [me] by my right hand.
:HeartThrob:

Psa 73:24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me [to] glory.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 18, 2009, 06:24:25 PM
I think I'll take a shower, maybe something will come to me there  :grin:

  the Clear  and Clean Ah Ha  moments !   the humbling shower  connection  :thumbsup:

 
Something else
  came  Kim when reading your posts
   there is alot of 3 parts thoughout the Bible

  1/3 of the angels cast down to eath
   the  city in 3 parts 
the  3 parts body soul and spirit    3 days
  etc
  so much of that
 
I cannot begin to  say them all  :mshock:

  :HeartThrob:

 :cloud9: Good morning guys.....my  :2c:. Nebuchadnezzar was not given the mind of a beast, because he already had one, as do we all. He was turned over to the fullness of it, to bring repentance, as have we all been, until SEVEN times (time = 1 thousand year day) has passed over him. It's repeating the pattern again, of God raising up the fullness of the iniquity in man, until He is ready to cut it off.

Christ, the 7th day (no part darkness) was brought to cut it off before, and as He is now raising up a firstfruits (sons of God) of His, the darkness is growing darker as the iniquity is growing full as well (wheat and tares raised up together again). We are in the dawning of that day again in pattern, and about to have our understanding return to us (mind of Christ) also.

Here is the text....

Daniel 4:31 While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. 32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. 33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.

34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

:cloud9: Like Nebuchadnezzar, we have all been forced by men to "eat" of the firstfruits of things that came out of the bloodless offering of the things of the ground (instead of eating of THE Firstfruit which is not of the ground but of the Spirit/heaven), eating as the beasts of burden we have been, carrying the yoke of the carnal beastly mind.

We have been wet with the dew of heaven (no spirit of Christ as our covering), till our realm of revealed glory was no higher than the fowls of the air, and our grasp was not that of the hand of God that heals and makes whole and administers the oil, but could only tear and rend the flesh with the blood still in it. Blessings....

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 18, 2009, 06:40:19 PM

Quote from: rosered on January 18, 2009, 06:28:09 PM

 I am so glad you explained sis !
 I thought of David !  and how he   told it

a mans heart only understands his own ways
 and  this humbling  has to do with  being beastly before God  :mshock:


King Neb had the dreams  and made an Image  to worship , but  was not anythingof  the True God
As a dream when [one] awaketh; [so], O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.
Psa 73:21 Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.
Psa 73:22 So foolish [was] I, and ignorant: I was [as] a beast before thee.

Psa 73:23 Nevertheless I [am] continually with thee: thou hast holden [me] by my right hand.
:HeartThrob:

Psa 73:24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me [to] glory.  :thumbsup:

I dont think I explained nothing sis  :grin: Im still questioning it  :grin:

Ok lets use your example, but lets change that to for who knows the thoughts of man but the spirit of a man?

For man and beast have one breath but I see that pertaining to the breath that physically sustains the body I would think because the BODY of both men and beast would be dead without that one breath theres no such preeminence one has over the other in that regard.

Yet the heart Nebby had in the beginning must be differentiated from the one he received (the heart of a beast) if it were so that he was driven from the sons of men (who supposedly have that very same heart) see what I mean? Is there a difference between reasoning with a man verses reasoning with a beast?  :grin:

 I do see what you mean  sis ,
 the only  thing i can see is  that in  verse 12  , the being driven  away from   sons of men  
was  because of the strong infulence   King Neb had on them  , when given the mind/heart of a beast  He king Neb  would not so easily have that influence and power over them ?  it was food for all flesh was the give away  for me , you can understand a man with  reason , but not a beast ,  they seem some how  wild and crazy lol.....for a time  , till the restores their reasoning  bearings ,[ like legion ? ] in his right mind , that invoked fear though . maybe they should all fear the Lord than huh.

one man to ruin  so many  men   just a thought ..10 "These were the visions of my head while on my bed:

     I was looking, and behold,
     A tree in the midst of the earth,
     And its height was great.
      11 The tree grew and became strong;
     Its height reached to the heavens,
     And it could be seen to the ends of all the earth.
      12 Its leaves were lovely,
     Its fruit abundant,
     And in it was food for all.
     The beasts of the field found shade under it,
     The birds of the heavens dwelt in its branches,
     And all flesh was fed from it.
:HeartThrob:

Quote from: Cardinal on January 18, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
:cloud9: Good morning guys.....my  :2c:. Nebuchadnezzar was not given the mind of a beast, because he already had one, as do we all. He was turned over to the fullness of it, to bring repentance, as have we all been, until SEVEN times (time = 1 thousand year day) has passed over him. It's repeating the pattern again, of God raising up the fullness of the iniquity in man, until He is ready to cut it off.

Christ, the 7th day (no part darkness) was brought to cut it off before, and as He is now raising up a firstfruits (sons of God) of His, the darkness is growing darker as the iniquity is growing full as well (wheat and tares raised up together again). We are in the dawning of that day again in pattern, and about to have our understanding return to us (mind of Christ) also.

Here is the text....

Daniel 4:31 While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. 32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. 33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.

34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

:cloud9: Like Nebuchadnezzar, we have all been forced by men to "eat" of the firstfruits of things that came out of the bloodless offering of the things of the ground (instead of eating of THE Firstfruit which is not of the ground but of the Spirit/heaven), eating as the beasts of burden we have been, carrying the yoke of the carnal beastly mind.

We have been wet with the dew of heaven (no spirit of Christ as our covering), till our realm of revealed glory was no higher than the fowls of the air, and our grasp was not that of the hand of God that heals and makes whole and administers the oil, but could only tear and rend the flesh with the blood still in it. Blessings....

Hi Card ,  you had posted just before me
  and of course I had not spelled some things right as usual , i always  do that!in a rush  and new key board that i absoulutly hate  :sigh:
  but   like your answer sis ,
  yes earthly wisdom
    nothing new under the sun
  compared to the Wisdom from above  , I can  see that now 
thanks  :thumbsup:

  the influences of men and beasts  are still very carnal by nature which teaches us as well
  :HeartThrob:

  wow Kim ,  life and death are in the power of the tongue !
  what if the one breath is the same  earthly 
death breath !
  I have lots to think about on  this one!  :HeartThrob:

Card says the mind of man is the mind of the beast--man already has the mind of the beast.

Daniel 2 shows us the figure of a horrible man--he has the mind of Babylon, the head of gold, the kingdom of Neb.

The beast is a kingdom of man, not of God.

Daniel 7:23
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


These four beasts of Revelation are four kingdoms.  We are in the fourth kingdom now--it never went away--Rome--with the feet of iron and clay.

I am reading this literally.  God has allowed these beasts as he allows the wheat and the tares to grow up together.  Are they not revealing themselves clearly to all in these last days?

But we are not of this world, that we would take the mark of the beast on our minds and hands.  We are to take the mark of God [his Spirit, his Commandments] on our foreheads (thoughts) and hands (works).

It couldn't be any simpler, really.

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 18, 2009, 10:34:16 PM
I get that but how does Rev 13:16 work?

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

And how does it pertain to this?

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Im still not getting the buying and selling even though Im aware we should buy the truth and sell it not and all that.

I was looking at it as the natural man and the spiritual man but I cant put all the other pieces together to make it work

:icon_flower:
Hi sis, I kinds see it like this

Buy the TRUTH ,SELL IT NOT.

only the FLESH can buy and sell THEIR merchandise(LIES), UNTIL they TOO ,buy TRUTH and SELL IT NOT.
:icon_flower:

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 18, 2009, 10:51:32 PM

Quote from: Taffy on January 18, 2009, 10:40:59 PM

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 18, 2009, 10:34:16 PM
I get that but how does Rev 13:16 work?

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

And how does it pertain to this?

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Im still not getting the buying and selling even though Im aware we should buy the truth and sell it not and all that.

I was looking at it as the natural man and the spiritual man but I cant put all the other pieces together to make it work

:icon_flower:
Hi sis, I kinds see it like this

Buy the TRUTH ,SELL IT NOT.

only the FLESH can buy and sell THEIR merchandise(LIES), UNTIL they TOO ,buy TRUTH and SELL IT NOT.
:icon_flower:

That was put much better, I can hear that G thanks for the contrast I needed a two way deal there

What about life to the image you know?

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Like I see these throughout script in their types but I cannot connect them yet

WELL Ya not alone for sure,but its always Flesh v Spirit ,..which connects with the First Adam, Carnality, law ,its how these all fit..Moving from death to life...maybe Rosey or Card or others have an Input :icon_flower:

He causes the whole world to take the mark in their right hand OR in their foreheads--

So the whole world is either deceived by the beast [kingdom of Man] or working for him.  This mark is a badge of servitude, or, in other words, the beast is literally enslaving the whole world--doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, bond or free.

Buy the truth but don't sell it--Who do we 'buy' it from? Christ.

Only if we present ourselves as living sacrifices to the Lord are we not serving the beast--

Here I am, O God, I have come to do thy will.

It is only the works and thoughts of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, that are true, that set us free from the beast, that are acceptable to the Lord.

But--he says, count the cost.

Right now, until the coming of the Ancient of Days and judgment is given [Dan 7], this world is the domain of the beast.

Pretty cool about the rain and the 40 days. I hadn't ever notices that before either.  :mblush:

Now, could you guys repeat all of the rest of that stuff..... in English?  :grin: :grin:

Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. :dontknow:

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 06:33:32 AM

Quote from: Molly on January 19, 2009, 06:26:39 AM
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. :dontknow:

I wish John only wrote that and it would have summed up the entire books in just a few words... I wonder why God didnt think of that? 

He did.  He keeps saying it over and over and over again lol.

But, man, for some reason, doesn't want to hear it.  Man wants to worship and serve himself.

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 06:39:56 AM

Quote from: Molly on January 19, 2009, 06:36:58 AM

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 06:33:32 AM

Quote from: Molly on January 19, 2009, 06:26:39 AM
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. :dontknow:

I wish John only wrote that and it would have summed up the entire books in just a few words... I wonder why God didnt think of that? 

He did.  He keeps saying it over and over and over again lol.

But, man, for some reason, doesn't want to hear it.  Man wants to worship and serve himself.

After John got what he receieved John fell down and worshipped the angel, it doesn't always have to be self.

Yeah.  It's easy to be deceived.  But, the angel quickly corrects him.  We are able to repent, thank God.

Maybe that's why we are to seek wisdom.


5Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.

6Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

7Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

8Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.

9She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

--Prov 4

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 06:46:09 AM
Yeah there might be a few angels who actually want to be worshipped, good for that angel. I actually love the fact the even the angels are desirous to look into certain things, that angels arent know it alls. That even they like us dont know everything. I'm glad thats in there so folks cant pretend to be angels wo think they do  :grin:

Angels are just servants who minister to those who shall be heirs of salvation.

I like the way the greek puts it--


"minister"
G1248
διακονία
diakonia
dee-ak-on-ee'-ah
From G1249; attendance (as a servant, etc.); figuratively (eleemosynary) aid, (official) service (especially of the Christian teacher, or technically of the diaconate): - (ad-) minister (-ing, -tration, -try), office, relief, service (-ing).


G1249
διάκονος
diakonos
dee-ak'-on-os
Probably from διάκω diakō (obsolete, to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, that is, (generally) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specifically a Christian teacher and pastor (technically a deacon or deaconess): - deacon, minister, servant.

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 06:53:13 AM
John was in the Spirit when he fell down to worship that angel... to most that would be a pretty carnal thing to do  :grin: Afterall they were preaching "Christ is the wisdom of God"

Goes to show when ya think ya know, in practice (even in the Spirit) you can worship the wrong thing

John is just a fellow angel to the angel, as he is told.

His is the spirit of prophecy--

Still pointing--to the real thing--

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is ["arithmos anthrōpos"] and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


666 is 'arithmos anthrōpos'

that is 'man's number.'

If we worship 666, we are worshipping a man.

If we worship 666, we are worshipping a beast.

If we have the thoughts or do the works of 666 we are serving man, not God.

Was Jesus just a man or was he the Son of God?


22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
--1 John 2


If Jesus is just a man, then we are worshipping a man.  But scripture says of him,

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And, again--


Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.



What, then, is beyond 666?  The number six repeated three times is 'arithmos anthrōpos.'  Is that the fullness of Man?  That's as good as it gets as a man--the number of a beast.

But, the Lord Jesus, the last man, has ushered in a new day, the 7th day, the Sabbath.




Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.






26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

--Luke 1

 :cloud9: Yes and Amen, you guys..... :thumbsup:

As pertaining to angels......John was just reacting in the nature of the heart of man, since the wheat (Word he got) and the tares (his reaction) are raised up together.

The inclination in all of us that has to be dealt with at the root (lust of the eyes), is to look to the flesh that's visible, either to worship it ("good" part of the tree) or to use it to reject the message (evil part of the tree), as opposed to only focusing on the Spirit/tree of life that brought the message, and obedience to Him. Good thing He keeps chipping away at it, until all we see is Him, Amen?

He still has me on this and I wanted to add something to these, He dropped in my Spirit this morning.

Lust of the eyes = Eve desired it because it looked pleasant to her and to make her wise. This is the opposite of God's will, ie. imposing her will against the Spirit of God = spiritual rape. Because we are judged by the measure we mete out, this is what she reaped from Satan.

Lust of the flesh = she gave it unto her husband, which was not love, but hate, and hate and murder being the same sin, she murdered him spiritually by giving it to him. No wonder unto to whom much is given, much is expected; we are accountable for every idle (word there means unemployed, ie. not used by the Spirit of God) word spoken. So, once again, because we are judged by the measure we mete out, murder was reaped from Satan.

The things of God are holy and in the inner court realm of the priesthood right now, He is pressing us as olive oil is pressed to bring forth two fresh hins of oil. Blessings....

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So no man can buy or sell without his own number?

What do you use to buy and sell today?

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 05:39:46 PM

Quote from: Molly on January 19, 2009, 05:20:03 PM

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So no man can buy or sell without his own number?

What do you use to buy and sell today?

Fiat paper money  :grin:

yeah lol as represented by your bank account number, your credit card number, and your soc sec number.

You have to earn it by the sweat of your brow.

And the money has the picture of a man on it, as it did in Jesus' day.


But, how does God's economy work?

Micah 4:4
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

--Rev 3


PS it's free--

"to buy"

G59
ἀγοράζω
agorazō
ag-or-ad'-zo
From G58; properly to go to market, that is, (by implication) to purchase; specifically to redeem: - buy, redeem.

Why don't you look at all the redeemed verses, including the whole book of Ruth.

He's already redeemed us from this world of buying and selling by the sweat of our brow.

All we have to do is cash the check with his name on it.

And, give it away freely, as we were given it.

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 05:39:46 PM

Quote from: Molly on January 19, 2009, 05:20:03 PM

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So no man can buy or sell without his own number?

What do you use to buy and sell today?

Fiat paper money  :grin:

Hi Fire and Molly and Card

 to your question sis about  buying and selling and having this  certain mark , it does seem to be the mind  [ wisdom of the world]  and the hand  [works /deeds that manifest ]  that  follows  this command

 I have been reading this for  about an hour

 and saw this  just how it is worded here  gave a clue

 Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.


Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.



Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.    

there is the  keeping us from the  hour  of trial that comes upon the whole  world , its that Image of a man/beast

  King Neb made in honor of the kings of the earth    we never know what the   Height  is 6o cubits and width  is  6 cubits  of golden Image  is Man  the 6th  day of creation , here is a number and a man and his name  may Nebuchadnezzar or Nebuchadrezzar ''Nebo protect the crown"
1) the great king of Babylon who captured Jerusalem and carried Judah captive


Dan 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour  be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down [and] worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.
Dan 3:8 Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews.

Dan 3:9 They spake and said to the king Nebuchadnezzar, O king, live for ever.

Dan 3:10 Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound  of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:


Dan 3:11 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, [that] he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

hear the sound !    that  is another clue to me as well as the Hour

Luk 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

here is the mountain   of the kings of the earth and the place Jerusalem    were they are  burned or taken captive !!!

Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.


Jhn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.  

Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.


Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.  

Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.


Jhn 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

 when we obey  His Voice we escape this  all of it  , the burning and captivity !

Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
 lest we recive her plagues , come out of her my people

    there is more on the hour sis
 but this is enough to see it to me     it is to become marked as a man/ beast  and reign with kings for one hour  to destroy the   Great City  


1Cr 4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.


1Cr 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.   :HeartThrob:

QuoteKing Neb made in honor of the kings of the earth    we never know what the   Height  is 6o cubits and width  is  6 cubits  of golden Image  is Man  the 6th  day of creation , here is a number and a man and his name  may Nebuchadnezzar or Nebuchadrezzar "Nebo protect the crown"
1) the great king of Babylon who captured Jerusalem and carried Judah captive


Dan 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down [and] worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.
Dan 3:8 Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews.

remember the beast that was  King Neb
  and that Is ,   King of Babylon   His name  has some kind of  signifigance  , i need to look into more carefully  though

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 
  there is the Prophecy of  seventy weeks   in Daniel 9 ;24 -27
and the abomination of deslolation   in Daniel 11 all of it
and Revelation Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
it speaks and works   are judged and rejected    for every person  and for all times this is the  Standard  of Jesus Christ  and any one who does not obey this  His criteria  will not be written  in the  Book of Life  and will suffer  great loss  for it ..   the fire and captivity


  I know Gods word is perpetual 
Lasting for eternity.
Continuing or lasting for an indefinitely long time.
Instituted to be in effect or have tenure for an unlimited duration: a treaty of perpetual friendship.
Continuing without interruption. See Synonyms at continual.
Flowering throughout the growing season.

[Middle English perpetuel, from Old French, from Latin perpetuālis, from perpetuus, continuous : per-, per- + petere, to go toward; see pet- in Indo-European roots.]
per·pet'u·al·ly adv. perpetual 

c.1340, from O.Fr. perpetuel (12c.), from L. perpetualis "universal," in M.L. "permanent," from perpetuus "continuous, universal," from perpetis, gen. of Old L. perpes "lasting," probably from per- "through" + root of petere "to seek, go to, aim at" (see petition). The verb perpetuate is first recorded 1530; perpetuity is from 1406. Perpetual motion is attested from 1593.

 
  Hi Fire ,
   the forum is working good for me  right now lol , that could change at any moment  though

  Oh Kim the connections are soooo many , I cannot begin to  put them in order 

   I know that  the  5 kings that have fallen  we have this in Daniel

  the Image   head of gold 1
  arms of silver 2
  body of brass  bronze 3
  and legs of Iron and  feet  toes of  clay and iron mixed 4
  make up the Kings /nations ,  greece persia  rome  Chaldea [babylon]
  the riddle is [  one beast / man / king  whos deadly wound  was healed gives power to this    new beast in order[ now  is ]  and the one to come is [ the last one has  no name  but is called terrible which is the 4th beast  ]?

  with teeth of iron After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.


Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire.


And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.


Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.  
  what a riddle / mystery 
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.


Hbr 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.


Hbr 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.


Hbr 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.


Hbr 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

   perdition  scriptures are a good clue to search out now
  I dont have the time , but looked wow , it is starting to make some  sense  finally !   :HeartThrob:

For me, the head that was, wasn't, and now is . . .is the carnal mind again.  when it became "isn't" was when Christ died to "flesh" on the cross.  And as we are in him, so to the head (mind/authority) of our dragon (devil/adversary/ego) also died.  The resurrection of this dead head comes when we ourselves revive our own flesh by feeding our mind with carnal thinking.  We have the power of life and death.  

We have taken that which was, and through Chirst, it became no longer, only for us to turn around and resurrect that which Christ gave his life for in death.  The overcomers are those that come back to, they return to, "repent" to the original order of authority and power that comes only by way of relationship through Christ.  The serpent, the head of the dragon in us must truly be dead, once and for all.  

Mind if I reach back a day or two in this conversation . . .I took the weekend off . . .Nebby was given a revelation of gold.  He saw the vision of Daniel and rather than worship God for allowing it to be he that is the head of gold over the land, he built an idol unto himself . . .all of gold.  He didn't see himself with a head of gold, he wanted it all.  All men have a spirit in them . . .it is the man . .my spirit man.  And when the heart of this man was changed into a heart of a beast . . .it was simply manifesting the fact that this man elected to submit to the beastly nature of his mind "over" his spirit and as such, God let that which was within him, to manifest without him.  He replaced his spirit/godly nature to a beastly nature . . .what's the difference?  A beast, by nature, has no conscience.  It lives on instinct of survival.

When Scripture refers to man being a beast . . .it's referring to the carnal nature of a man, which has no conscience.  All a conscience is, is a spiritually imbredded voice of godly reason.  When Nebby built that idol publicly, he was manifesting blasphemy against God.  The idol was an image of Nebby.  

Next topic was dealing with buying and selling . . . what I sell is my flesh, what I'm buying is life in my spirit.  The five foolish virgins were instructed to "go and buy" more oil . .why?  Because they didn't give all they had in the first place.  Annanias and Saphira . . . proclaimed they gave all they had, and they died as a result.  Unless I give my ALL over to God, I can not spiritually ever be fully effective in the kingdom.

Just thinking out loud.

Molly, are you saying that before accepting salvation, I must first count the cost?

Quote from: Nathan on January 19, 2009, 07:36:23 PM
Molly, are you saying that before accepting salvation, I must first count the cost?

26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

31Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

--Luke 14

I'm not saying we're not to count the cost, my question is, should that be pertaining to salvation.  The reason I'm asking is because that would mean salvation can be "achieved" by works.  But salvation is a free gift . . .

1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 3

Where are you going with that Molly?

Quote from: Nathan on January 19, 2009, 07:54:36 PM
I'm not saying we're not to count the cost, my question is, should that be pertaining to salvation.  The reason I'm asking is because that would mean salvation can be "achieved" by works.  But salvation is a free gift . . .

It's pertaining to being a 'disciple,' as that is what he says--and a disciple can lead to an apostle.

He's talking about building a house.

It costs something to build a house, yes?

Quote from: Nathan on January 19, 2009, 07:59:40 PM
Where are you going with that Molly?

The apostle is planting and watering--God is giving the increase.

Paul is the husbandman, like Adam, tending and keeping God's garden.

Paul is the master builder together with God--we are the building.

Paul is the husbandman together with God--we are the garden.

This is a calling.

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 07:26:03 PM

Quote from: Molly on January 19, 2009, 05:55:27 PM
16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

--Rev 3


PS it's free--

"to buy"

G59
ἀγοράζω
agorazō
ag-or-ad'-zo
From G58; properly to go to market, that is, (by implication) to purchase; specifically to redeem: - buy, redeem.

Yes buy of me, without cost, without money.

What will a MAN give for HIS SOUL?  And what is it that a MAN **GAIN** the whole world and LOSE his SOUL?

We have COUNT the number which pertains to MAN and COUNT A COST, although that we BUY of Christ is WITHOUT COST and Paul spake on ALL that was GAIN to me is THAT which I COUNT as LOSS for the surpassing **GREATNESS** of knowing CHRIST = Wisdom of God= given the MIND of CHRIST the **GREATER THEN** Solomon

More excellent, More sure, better then, greater then,

... we have the weight of the gold significant to a number to count pertaining to man 666 verses His name which is equivilent to 888.

The stature is measured in cubits, and who of us by worrying can add a single cubit to our stature, worrying chokes the word and it becomes unfruitful when we are to grow up into the full measure of the stature of Christ.. MARK the perfect man, not be marked as Cain?

If a man be a hearer only of the word he beholds his own FACE = image, overcoming our own face? Glory unto glory, for the glory of man is a fading flower and be made in HIS IMAGE and likeness?

Gees how the heck to line this stuff up  :grin:

I cant get verses my other puter isnt working on this forum, how fustrating

exactly !! :thumbsup:   all that Jesus Has Said will come to pass   the Spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus , this doctrine ! is more precious than  gold ,  out faith in Christ Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


Jhn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:


1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see [him] not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:


1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, [even] the salvation of [your] souls.
   the furnace of affliction ... For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.


Isa 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, [even] for mine own sake, will I do [it]: for how should [my name] be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
  gold    sold  as truth   but is   Rust !
  silver as righteouness  , but is filty rags 
  Bronze  , brass  and judments   but is prision  bars  along with the Iron strength  to perform it

   the  clay toes  are scatterede as  dust  for the serpents food .

The mixture of clay and iron in the feet not only refer to the mixing of law and flesh with one's walk, but my feet are what I stand on . . .my balance, my foundation . . .  there is no congealing between spirit and flesh, any more than there is between the labor of law and the lust of flesh . . .if you were caught sleeping with another, you were not to be allowed back in, but instead you were to be killed.

My carnal mind desires to sleep with the lusts of the flesh and "that" is the part of me that must be put to death.  For me, the lusts of the flesh are anything that is carnal, not just of sexual nature.

Quote from: Nathan on January 19, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
For me, the lusts of the flesh are anything that is carnal, not just of sexual nature.

:cloud9: Amen, He defined lust to me, as ANYTHING that we desire apart from His perfect will in our lives (as revealed by His Spirit). Blessings....

  Hi Nathan and Cardinal ,
  this is my point  though , you see the  scattering  of flesh [toes/iron our own flesh and strength   the mixing ]  by whatever disqualifies us [defiles us ]   
the main thing is  He who does not gather with me scatters abroad  for sepents food / flesh is what is eaten/consumed 
we are to be gathered into the Body of Christ and so hidden in Christ  that we SEE HIM and no longer ourselves any longer
  know   no man after the flesh [judge  in this manner ]  not even Christ 
for He is Spirit and Life [word of God ]
  hope I was able to  refine   this better
  :HeartThrob:

Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 19, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Ephes 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh **and** of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that **bringeth salvation** hath appeared to all men

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

This is neat how its shown in the OT as well...

James 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Psalm 78:18 And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust.

:thumbsup:
:goodpost:



And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all [things]: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.  

  THE BREAKING & BRUISING  Chaldea or Chaldeans = "clod-breakers"1) a territory in lower Mesopotamia bordering on the Persian Gulf (n pr m)

2) the inhabitants of Chaldea, living on the lower Euphrates and Tigris

3) those persons considered the wisest in the land (by extension)  :omg:


Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.


Dan 2:42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

DIVISION  

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

  this is as always  to me  past for some , to come for some and IS NOW  for some  as all  in the WORD  shall  be fulfilled

  THE FLESH  and the lusting  disqualifies  us in the  race  , Paul  fear lest he preached the gospel   and  would become a castaway [ broken branch]  himself
the  seven churches
  we are runing a  race

gauntlet


noun 1. a former punishment, chiefly military, in which the offender was made to run between two rows of men who struck at him with switches or weapons as he passed.
2. the two rows of men administering this punishment.
3. an attack from two or all sides.
4. trying conditions; an ordeal.
5. gantlet 1 (def. 1). 
–verb (used with object) 6. gantlet 1 (def. 3). 
—Idiom7. run the gauntlet, to suffer severe criticism or tribulation.

Also, gantlet (for defs. 1, 2, 4).Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?


1Cr 9:2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.


1Cr 9:3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,


1Cr 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?


1Cr 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and [as] the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?


1Cr 9:6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?


1Cr 9:7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?


1Cr 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?


1Cr 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?


1Cr 9:10 Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.


1Cr 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?


1Cr 9:12 If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.


1Cr 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?


1Cr 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


1Cr 9:15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for [it were] better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.


1Cr 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!


1Cr 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.


1Cr 9:18 What is my reward then? [Verily] that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.


1Cr 9:19 For though I be free from all [men], yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.


1Cr 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;


1Cr 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.


1Cr 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all [men], that I might by all means save some.


1Cr 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with [you].


1Cr 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.


1Cr 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

1Cr 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


:HeartThrob:

At the same time that the most high God of the universe has become more distant to some, He has become more personal to others.  I spent some time today listening to atheists, who insist that if you are smart, if you are rational, if you are educated, you must deny the existence of God.  All they proved to me is that they are blind.  Insisting, as they do, on an objective proof of God, which they think they have effectively negated with their bogus theory of evolution, (which they also cannot prove objectively,) they will remain blind.

This is because the proof of God is found in a personal relationship with Him.  For some, this falls like rain in a tropical climate.  For others, there is just a glimpse here and there, but that glimpse is enough to wait expectently for, through long dry spells.  For some, this takes the form of an appreciation of Him through the beautiful natural world He created for us.  For others, it takes the form of a deep spiritual communion.  He has given us many ways to see and interact with Him.  Anyone who has tasted of Him, wants more.

Whatever else is happening these days, it seems certain that a large schism is being created between men.  What do I have in common with Richard Dawkins?  Nothing--not even his 'science.'  And, judging by his arrogance and sense of entitlement, he would have nothing in common with me, either.  Although I am happy he has the freedom to express himself, I wish he would afford me that same freedom.  But, unfortunately, atheists are as unforgivingly oppressive as any other religion could ever hope to be.  The history of Russian communism has taught us that much and the hundred million dead testify to it.

So we move forward into a new century, facing the same old issues with a different form.  Men will always insist that others bow down to them, for whatever arbitrary reason they can think up.  The beast wants to rule the world, and he's closer now than ever to achieving that goal.  But for those of us who have a personal relationship with God, there is only One who rules.  For some reason, which I don't really understand yet, this is ok with God.  He is willing to let Man play himself out, even to his own shame and destruction.  God's Spirit is the Spirit of Liberty, which is one of the many things I love about Him.



10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

--Rev 22