666, the mark of the beast.

[jabcat]

Buying and selling, having the mark....After years serving in the praise band, when I broached the subject of removing my "membership" from the denomination and asked if I'd still be welcome to play, the answer was "probably not...you either need to be for us or against us".  That was the last time I ever played a note in the praise band...and within the next couple of weeks I was asked to turn in my key to the sanctuary...hmmmm....I wanted to say "membership in the club really does have its privileges, doesn't it?"...but I didn't.

[jabcat]

I looked at the same Legoman, and turned this upside down inside out spiritualized it but I have not once got "this is it" yet and that always happens when your familiar with the pieces in every which way.

Its driving me nuts  :grin: No wisdom **here**  :grin: I'll be the first to admit

I can post my study pieces but I have nothing revelatory on it. I see things that appear to connect but then follow them through elsewhere they dont seem to fit (well at least not for me). I cant pull anything more into it and I just stare at the pieces and can do nothing with them  :grin:

What you're doing right here is showing an excellent attitude...sometimes we just don't have it all yet, and admitting it with a good spirit is a great witness... :gthumbsup:.

[rosered]

  Hi all , I sure dont know
but got these  2pieces/ Clues   here ..lol

  the  7 vials are all the wrath of God , when poured out it is done [Gods wrath is complete] these  7 vials are poured out

   what a puzzle  huh? :umnick: :dunno2:

  the mark /idolatrous images  of the beast  having the name and or number    either or of the  3

a scarlet beast/kings of the earth   who the WOMAN  SITS upon    BEING  the great whore  Babylon [false church]  that buys and sells [lies as calls  it  the truth } but it is a false image   because the Truth  is Jesus Christ / Word of God ..
She also SITS  upon many waters  BOTH  to me being many  tongues peoples and nations and the kings  of the earth /leaders/ Beast

  Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. [  Beast  as a whole/ many  ]




Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 

    it was  TO HAVE in possesion  the name / mark / number 
in the verse above it is  refused to worship / image / mark


  Daniel refused to bow down and worship  King Nebunchadnezers  Image  he created to glorify himself  with 
  this is all i got and its  not much lol  :dontknow:

[Taffy]

HERE is Wisdom... WHERE IS IT?  :grin:

:icon_flower:
seems solomon Talked some,...kinda mentions Shebas gifts :icon_flower:

2Ch 9:9 And she gave the king an hundred and twenty talents of gold, and of spices great abundance, and precious stones: neither was there any such spice as the queen of Sheba gave king Solomon.

2Ch 9:13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;   :icon_flower:

:happygrin:

Ezek 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures: Ezek 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

:grin:

:Sparkletooth:

Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
:icon_flower:

[rosered]

How long was Jesus upon the earth before He was taken up? 

Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

wow  that was  awesome guys! 

  Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; 

so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.   :HeartThrob:

[rosered]

How long was Jesus upon the earth before He was taken up? 

Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

wow  that was  awesome guys! 

  Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; 

so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.   :HeartThrob:

Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

:grin: I mean afterwards  :grin: The rain was upon earth and Christ was upon the earth the same time  :grin: Get it? Hath the RAIN a Father? = This is MY SON. The preaching in the days of Noah = My doctrine as the Rain

Genesis 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

ok  :mblush:  oh well    sorry about that  , good work  sis  :thumbsup:        when the new covenant come in effect , the mercy and grace was  given as the days of Noe /Noah  rest  :icon_flower:

[Cardinal]

Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

:grin: I mean afterwards  :grin: The rain was upon earth and Christ was upon the earth the same time  :grin: Get it? Hath the RAIN a Father? = This is MY SON. The preaching in the days of Noah = My doctrine as the Rain

Genesis 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

:cloud9: I like this  :thumbsup: that was awesome........

[Molly]

http://www.nypost.com/photos/galleries/news/regionalnews/pp_20090116_plane_crash/photo05.htm



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Exodus 19:4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Ok, this is going to be a long one, and it's been awhile since He gave me this and I'm doing it all from memory, but this is what He gave me. I had a night vision of a huge (probably 600 lbs) naked woman sitting on a man I knew who was a pastor. Adam was also the first shepherd as well as the first priest; it was given him to have dominion over the animals of the earth. Adam was a red man, from the earth, ruddy in the face/blood of Adam nature, our sins are as scarlet = scarlet beast.

        The woman is as the Jezebel spirit, who sits upon all the nations of the earth, usurping the authority (the authority rests upon the shoulders) of the HG/anointing of the true priesthood. Note that her garments speak of the riches found in Christ that are given to the priesthood, spiritually.

        Her end is to be burned with fire; the HG comes with tongues of fire upon our heads, for this reason. Eve usurped the authority of Adam, she "sat" on him instead of him ruling over her. This is the reason why ruling kings sit elevated above the rest of the people. It's symbolic of sitting upon the shoulders of those they yoked, as beasts of burden are yoked about the neck. When our King finishes the work in us, He sits upon the throne of our hearts. To sit is a Hebraism meaning, my work is finished and I rest now. The authority of God (mind of Christ) is to rest upon our shoulders.

        In Deut. 7 the Israelites were told to overcome 7 nations. Seven doesn't just speak of the fullness of God, but can be as the fullness of darkness of our souls also (iniquity is full). These 7 nations are the 7 "heads" that must be overthrown in us to inherit the promised land = glorified body, and they speak of the fullness of iniquity in us. God told them that if they did not obey all His statutes and all His commandments, then all the curses of the Egyptians would come upon them. This includes the one of the death of the firstborn. Firstborn/flesh dies, as opposed to receiving the glorified body.

        The head has 10 horns. Horns means power. There are 10 words (/laws/commandments) that must be fulfilled by fulfilling the 2, ie. love thy God with all thy heart and strength, and thy neighbor as thyself. All the 10 hang upon these 2.

        The 2 "stones" given at Sinai must be fulfilled, else as the priests were disqualified from serving God if a "stone" of theirs was broken (stone/ability to reproduce His nature), so too are we disqualified as a priest in the priestly nation if we do not allow Him to fulfill these things in our hearts. Adam was disqualified as a priest for this reason, unable to reproduce the nature of the Christ, and so reproduced in the image of iniquity/flesh.

        Satan was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING. He "raped" Eve (ie. imposed HIS ruler ship over her) and as Adam and Eve were one, "murdered' her husband through it, because death came from sin, ie. missing the mark of the Spirit the mind of Christ, to take on the mark of the beast, the carnal mind. She got out from under her covering, and so Satan had a "legal" right to "touch" her.

        Male member - speaks of the righteousness of Christ's Spirit that plants the seed, ie. His Spirit/breath comes to us to direct our path in love, the opposite is the spirit of rape that tries to force it's authority upon the woman/soul (also the woman/church) to plant IT"S "seed" though hate, hate and murder being as the same sin.

        David forced his will upon Bathsheba (as spiritual rape), and then murdered her husband.

        This same thing tried to replay when Satan spoke through Peter, after our Lord spoke of the manner in which He should die, ie. the proceeding word of life from the Father's mouth, and said to Him, "Be it far from You, Lord", as he tried to appeal to the "woman/soul" that he hoped he would find "uncovered" again.

        Jesus was taken to the cross (rape spirit usurped the authority of the Christ forcing it's will upon the flesh, ie. "woman/soul" of Jesus), and then it tried to murder "her" husband, but the Spirit of this Adam can never die.

        When "Lucifer" said, "I will" 5 times, he was speaking out of his own heart (the mouth speaks out of the fullness of the heart) of iniquity (Eve, the stony heart of Adam) usurping the true ruler ship of God's Spirit, and breaking the first "stone".

        Adam, the anointed cherub that covereth (made like a priest, ie. a High priest with stones as his covering) was supposed to be the shepherd/king, covering/priest, set in the garden to have dominion (a king has dominion, a priest offers up sacrifices for others), and was perfect in all of his ways until the day iniquity was found in him.

        Iniquity was FOUND in him, because the wheat and the tares are both raised up together. When the Spirit of God spoke to Adam, the life of that "watered" both the wheat and the tare nature within. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. This is why when the sons of God came before God, Satan came among them, as the tares are raised up too.
       
        The word "found" there in the Hebrew runs into words meaning; to appear, to come forth, issue out as offspring, something risen, to be present, to utter, to finish.

        God "found" the iniquity in the sense that by watering it He caused it to come forth, it has a voice it utters against His, and He makes the iniquity to become full, so that when it is, He can FINISH IT, ie. "It is finished."

        This is how Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, the Father allowed the iniquity to become full (this is why He bore our sins), HE brought it forth, then HE cut the head off the serpent nature so that it could speak no more through Eve, nor produce offspring, if we accept the death of the flesh that harbors sin, and receive the mind of Christ (new heart) that produces the Son in our midst (new offspring, ie. the lambkin, offspring of THE Lamb, that stands upon Mt. Zion). In so doing, now WISDOM UTTERS her voice, the wisdom that is from above.

        It is finished, our "end" became as our beginning and our beginning became as our end, thus Revelation and Genesis have come face to face again in the circle/revolution, that Genesis means. The "jot and the tittle" that separated them has been fulfilled.

        So, God took this iniquity out of his heart, so he could see it face to face, ie. see what was in his own heart. He later told the Israelites that He had taken them out in the wilderness (sin is a wilderness) to show them what was in their hearts, repeating the pattern.

        The Lord said, I have life (as opposed to rape-His will over Satan's) and life everlasting (as opposed to murder and death) to give.

        Lust of the eyes = rape
        Lust of the flesh = murder
        Pride of life = that which is produced from the union of the two

        We must through His Spirit overcome these three just as He did in the wilderness, to enter back into the garden (glorified body). Eye hath not seen (as opposed to seeing the fruit and desiring it), and ear has not heard (as opposed to hearing the voice of iniquity in Eve and choosing it), what the Lord has prepared for those that love Him. Blessings to all....

[Molly]

I had a night vision of a huge (probably 600 lbs) naked woman sitting on a man I knew who was a pastor.

Revelation 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

our sins are as scarlet = scarlet beast.

Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The woman is the Jezebel spirit, who sits upon all the nations of the earth, usurping the authority (the authority rests upon the shoulders--[/i]..and the government will be on his shoulders.[/i]Isa 9;6 ) of the HG/anointing of the true priesthood. Note that her garments speak of the riches found in Christ that are given to the priesthood, spiritually.

11I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

13Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

--Eze 16

In Deut. 7 the Israelites were told to overcome 7 nations. Seven doesn't just speak of the fullness of God, but can be as the fullness of darkness also (iniquity is full). These 7 nations are the 7 "heads" that must be overthrown in us to inherit the promised land = glorified body, and they speak of the fullness of iniquity in us.

1When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgacrapes, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

The head has 10 horns. Horns means power. There are 10 words (/laws/commandments) that must be fulfilled by fulfilling the 2, ie. love thy God with all thy heart and strength, and thy neighbor as thyself. All the 10 hang upon these 2.

..having seven heads and ten horns [Rev 17:3]


Matthew 22:40
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

The 2 "stones" given at Sinai must be fulfilled, else as the priests were disqualified from serving God if a "stone" of theirs was broken (stone/ability to reproduce His nature), so too are we disqualified as a priest in the priestly nation if we do not allow Him to fulfill these things in our hearts. Adam was disqualified as a priest for this reason, unable to reproduce the nature of the Christ, and so reproduced in the image of iniquity/flesh.

20Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

21No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

--Lev 21

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I just got something else quickened to me. I had wondered about the fact the woman was sitting on his shoulders and He gave me that, but just now He gave me more about it. To sit on someone like that means the thighs are around their neck, LIKE A YOKE. The thigh speaks of covenant, in part because of the fact a sword rests on the thigh, and because God had the angel of the Lord smite Jacob's thigh, which changed his walk forever.

But I just saw this in a new way, as the thigh also speaks of the loins/place of reproduction, and so by yoking the neck of a person, it forces the reproduction of the darkness of the soulish nature, as opposed to the light of Christ, ie. my yoke is LIGHT. Just another confirmation of the fact, we've all been unequally yoked by the carnal mind, by design, LOL......Blessings.....

[Molly]

Satan was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING. He "raped" Eve (ie. imposed HIS rulership over her) and as Adam and Eve were one, "murdered' her husband through it, because death came from sin, ie. missing the mark of the Spirit the mind of Christ, to take on the mark of the beast, the carnal mind. She got out from under her covering, and so Satan had a "legal" right to "touch" her.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


Revelation 14:9
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Male member - speaks of the righteousness of Christ's Spirit that plants the seed, ie. His Spirit/breath comes to us to direct our path in love, the opposite is the spirit of rape that tries to force it's authority upon the woman/soul (also the woman/church) to plant IT"S "seed" though hate, hate and murder being as the same sin.

David forced his will upon Bathsheba (as spiritual rape), and then murdered her husband.

19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

--Mat 13

This same thing tried to replay when Satan spoke through Peter, after our Lord spoke of the manner in which He should die, ie. "Be if far from You, Lord", as he tried to appeal to the "woman/soul" that he hoped he would find "uncovered" again.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!"

--Mat 16

Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

[Molly]

Jesus was taken to the cross (rape spirit usurped the authority of the Christ forcing it's will upon the flesh, ie. "woman/soul" of Jesus), and then it tried to murder "her" husband, but the Spirit of this Adam can never die.

Luke 22:53
When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.


John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

When Lucifer said, "I will" 5 times, he was speaking out of his own heart (the mouth speaks out of the fullness of the heart) of iniquity (Eve, the stony heart of Adam) usurping the true rulership of God's Spirit, and breaking the first "stone".

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

--Isa 14



Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: ROFL, good one. As a woman, is it not always our THIGHS that bother us the most?  :mshock:

Seriously though, the water revealed in the natural what had already happened in the Spirit. Unfaithfulness to her husband/union with Satan/rape, produced death in her walk/murder, and brought forth offspring/pride of life (belly).

No wonder then that union with HIS Spirit produces covenant relationship, new walk in life, and new offspring = out of our bellies shall flow rivers of living waters. Blessings...

PS. I was also thinking about the swelling as being like the leaven of the Pharisees who were of their father the devil. Leaven causes to swell.....?

[Molly]

Adam, the anointed cherub that covereth (made like a priest, ie. a High priest with stones as his covering) was supposed to be the shepard/king, covering/priest, set in the garden to have dominion (a king has dominion, a priest offers up sacrifices for others), and was perfect in all of his ways until the day iniquity was found in him.

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

--Eze 28

Iniquity was found in him, because the wheat and the tares are raised up together. When the Spirit of God spoke to Adam, the life of that "watered" both the wheat and the tare nature within. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. This is why when the sons of God came before God, Satan came among them.

Matthew 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Joshua 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Job 1

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


Rev 22

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

[Molly]

God "found" the iniquity in the sense that by watering it He caused it to come forth, it has a voice it utters against His, and He makes the iniquity to become full, so that when it is, He can FINISH IT, ie. "It is finished."

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

"was found" [in thee]

H4672
מצא
mâtsâ'
maw-tsaw'
A primitive root; properly to come forth to, that is, appear or exist; transitively to attain, that is, find or acquire; figuratively to occur, meet or be present: -  + be able, befall, being, catch, X certainly (cause to) come (on, to, to hand), deliver, be enough (cause to) find (-ing, occasion, out), get (hold upon), X have (here), be here, hit, be left, light (up-) on, meet (with), X occasion serve, (be) present, ready, speed, suffice, take hold on.


Genesis 26:19
And Isaac's servants digged in the valley, and found there a well of springing water.

This is how Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, the Father allowed the iniquity to become full (this is why He bore our sins), HE brought it forth, then HE cut the head off the serpent nature so that it could speak no more through Eve, nor produce offspring, if we accept the death of the flesh that harbors sin, and receive the mind of Christ (new heart) that produces the Son in our midst (new offspring, ie. the lambkin, offspring of THE Lamb, that stands upon Mt. Zion). In so doing, now WISDOM UTTERS her voice, the wisdom that is from above.

29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

--Mat 13





Gen 3

14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.



"bruise"

H7779
שׁוּף
shûph
shoof
A primitive root; properly to gape, that is, snap at; figuratively to overwhelm: - break, bruise, cover.



Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:




Obadiah 1
21And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.



James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

[Cardinal]

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

"bruise"

H7779
שׁוּף
shûph
shoof
A primitive root; properly to gape, that is, snap at; figuratively to overwhelm: - break, bruise, cover.

:cloud9: Hey, Molly, I saw something different in this when I read it. The enmity He puts between them is Christ as Christ becomes the covering (bruise/to cover) again, ie. exalted above all principalities and powers (Satan).

Satan becomes the covering of the his heel = put Satan under His feet. Thanks for posting all this..... :thumbsup:

[Cardinal]

But Card doesnt James speak of the bitter waters that should not come out of our mouth? The same she was actually made to drink?  What are they called? The bitter waters that causeth a curse. And James says can a fount bring forth both bitter and sweet waters (in relation to blessing and cursing)? Recall that?

:cloud9: The water was the HOLY water/Spirit that was defiled (MADE bitter) by the earth/flesh from off the tabernacle floor. If she sinned it brought her iniquity to remembrance, remembrance as in re-membering her body of sin, the body being made to display/witness the effects of the curse/sin.

If she didn't sin, then the dirt/flesh would not witness against her, just as the Pharisees accused Jesus of sin in lawbreaking, but there was no sin, and so death could not hold Him, ie. His flesh arose again as a witness for Him, as in NEW LIFE.

The opposite is when the Lord said to do this in REMEMBRANCE of Him, ie. to re-member or build up His body which is Spirit, IN US, through true communion, ie. partaking of the bread/Word with the light of the Spirit/wine. Blessings....

Here is the text....

Numbers 5: 15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: 17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: 

19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: 20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, F11 and thy belly to swell; 22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: 24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. 25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:

26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. 27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28 AND IF THE WOMAN/FLESH BE NOT DEFILED, BUT BE CLEAN; THEN SHE SHALL BE FREE, AND SHALL CONCEIVE SEED (bring forth new life). 

29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; 30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. 31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

[Molly]

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

"bruise"

H7779
שׁוּף
shûph
shoof
A primitive root; properly to gape, that is, snap at; figuratively to overwhelm: - break, bruise, cover.

:cloud9: Hey, Molly, I saw something different in this when I read it. The enmity He puts between them is Christ as Christ becomes the covering (bruise/to cover) again, ie. exalted above all principalities and powers (Satan).

Satan becomes the covering of the his heel = put Satan under His feet. Thanks for posting all this..... :thumbsup:

So this is what the covered head of the woman is?  Christ is covering the hair/thoughts, mind?

This idea of covering is coming up a lot for me lately.

you said satan is the covering of the heel?  as Jacob is the heel catcher?  Jacob/Israel carries the law.

I was thinking--the covering cherub was meant to cover to protect us with the veil--until we were ready to grow into Christ--but instead, he got carried away with his own power to hide and deceive and perverted his function--covering can be done to either protect, enlighten, or conceal/kill.

:sigh:

8Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.

9Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

10I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

11I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

12And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.







15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

16And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,

18And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

--Eze 16

[Cardinal]

Ok Card let me understand a bit better. Are you saying these dont apply to us today like its a past thing only?

:cloud9: NO, I'm not saying it's a past thing only. It's just He shows me things sorta like reverse engineering. He's showing me the processes. Blessings....

[Molly]

8Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;

9And that ye may prolong your days in the land, which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give unto them and to their seed, a land that floweth with milk and honey.

10For the land, whither thou goest in to possess it, is not as the land of Egypt, from whence ye came out, where thou sowedst thy seed, and wateredst it with thy foot, as a garden of herbs:

11But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven:

12A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.

13And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.

15And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.

16Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;

17And then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.

18Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

19And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

20And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:

21That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

--Deut 11

[Molly]

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
--Rev 14

[Taffy]

Hi Guys , wasnt with it much yesterday, but great posts..much to ponder

1Cr 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

:icon_flower:

[rosered]

  Hi Kim

  when I read that I too wondered why ?   maybe  with the heart of a man , you can reason with
  but a beast  by nature  acts on instinct ?depending on the    kind of beast it is  :Chinscratch:  a  gentle  and innocent beast  such as a lamb 
  would be prey ,  a   wolf
  if  threatened they can attack


I so wonder  what type of beast  by nature  King Nebs heart was changed too?

what beast with claws as  nails and hair grown  like eagles  feathers  eat grass  like oxen   , those  are some clues maybe ?
 
  all flesh is as grass   
I have no idea   what exactly  went on  with King Neb ,  but Daniel  the book has become   inteeresting once again
  :HeartThrob:

[Taffy]

Hi Guys , wasnt with it much yesterday, but great posts..much to ponder

1Cr 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

:icon_flower:

:thumbsup: Hey G great verse.

G you recall Nebby, when He got proud it speaks of him being driven from the sons of men and given the heart of a beast. Why didnt it just say he remained a beast/man? This is what Im trying to figure out. Why is "after the manner of men" distinct from beasts in the fight he fought too?

Do I make sense in my question or no?  :grin:

Thats a good question, But ultimately I see he has a Change of Heart, realising what Power he Had Came from above and not him.

Not sure what ya saing in the second part tho, but for mine ...the manner  of men is the Flesh or carnalmindedness , Dead to Understanding
again not sure what ya saying :icon_flower: