Are you saying that Hitler is going to heaven?

[WhiteWings]

Yeah. I think God rather has 1 billion atheist Mother Teresa types than one church going Hitler.
But that's purely my reasoning I can't backup with a single verse. Just an overall 'Bible feeling' I have.

Another wild guess of mine is that God rather has practicing Christians who know the Word fairly well, than theoretical heartless study robots who's only good deeds are scaring the crap out of people with stories from hell....

[giftsimple]

John answered this question on KingdomTalk

http://www.kingdomlife.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=969

A Question

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Hey John,

Will Judas Iscariot, Adolf Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ghengis Khan and Nero be in heaven?
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The Supreme Judge who does not lie says this:

Isaiah 2:1. The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 25:6. And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. 7. And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 57:16. For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made. 17. For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. 18. I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners. 19. I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.

Isaiah 66:18. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 21. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. 22. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 53:1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? 2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 5:25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Hosea 13:14. I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

Revelation 1:18. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 9:6. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Revelation 6:9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the (Heavenly ) altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11. And white robes (Revelation 19:8, Romans 5:15-21) were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 5:9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10. And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
13. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Romans 14:4. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 7. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand (not perish) before the judgment seat of Christ. 11. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

What are those scriptures saying to you? I wrote none of those scriptures! God did it through those writers a couple of thousand years ago! Blesses are all those wuth seeing eyes, hearing ears and minds that understand! They shall know the loving kindness of the of our Creator-Father! If you have the mean spirit and mad mind of a bitter "elder son", you will feel like those scriptures are a pot of boiling oil thrown at you from your computer screen!

John,
GOOD NEWS , Inc.

[SeekerSA]

Picture this:

Hitler invites Eva Braun to say a "sinner's prayer" just before he does her in.  Saved.

Before blowing his brains out he repents pleads forgiveness. Saved

6M Jews curse Hitler and the Nazis before being ushered to their doom, none of them believe in Jesus.  Lost

Well there you have it - all logical and in line with evangelical theology. 

No one was there with Hitler in those dying moments of WWII - we merely have an historical account.

So what does that prove?

A deathbed conversion can do it sooo why rule out this scenario?

The evangelical fundies sure hate atheists and gays no less than Hitler hated Jews, were they in power like Hitler was, very likely that atheists and gays would be persecuted and possibly put to death.

It all makes sense now.

[Molly]

3The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

--Proverbs 15


Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.


Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

[Taffy]

Paul was the Ultimate criminal...the WORST of the WORST..murdering the Church...Doesnt THIS give us an example to all..

Luk 23:39  And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.


Luk 23:40  But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?


Luk 23:41  And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.


Luk 23:42  And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.


Luk 23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Faith is our victory, the THIEF on the cross Knew the ONE NEXT TO HIM, Just why do some flesh feel more special than others...., WE ALL kILLED CHRIST....is there a BIGGER CRIME.,,if THERE is.please tell me.?

Taffy

[willieH]

willieH: Hi Molly...  :happygrin:

ALL things are of GOD Molly... For ALL THINGS,  ...ARE of HIS CREATION... (Col 1:16)  ...this includes every detail of EVERY THING!

It is HE which works ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL (not mans) (Eph 1:11)

Truly, we shall find ourselves RID of the portions of ourselves, which are NOT of CHRIST...  But this is as a baby being washed of its soiled diapers and then rejoices in the comfort and cleanliness of its bath, not TORMENTED in its bath, nor looking toward punishment (for its "misdeed") which is to be FEARED...

FEAR is the message of IMPERFECTION... and is NOT part of the message of LOVE.

1 John 4:18 

There is NO FEAR ...IN LOVE... but PERFECT LOVE, casteth OUT FEAR; ...because FEAR hath TORMENT...   He that FEARETH is NOT made PERFECT, ...in LOVE.

3The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

--Proverbs 15

Prov 20:24

Mans GOINGS are of YHVH;  ...how CAN a man then UNDERSTAND, his OWN WAY?

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

HIS "WAYS"?  What does the Scripture say of MAN's "WAYS"?  (see above and below!)

Jer 10:23

O YHVH, I know that the WAY of MAN, is NOT IN HIMSELF... NOT ...IN... Man that walketh, to DIRECT his STEPS...

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

These are words of RECONCILIATION Molly, ...not of some "reward/punishment" program... that GOD thrust us into...  We are placed here and MADE according to HIS WILL,  the WAY we shall be MADE by HIM, ...not according to OUR OWN WAY under the illusion that we are somehow in part, SELF MADE... (sewing/reaping)...

We SEW because YHVH has ordained that which we SEW... and REAP, because YHVH has ordained that which we REAP... it is not some agenda created by MAN... it is according to the agenda of ETERNITY which GOD lays before us...

REWARD is not some "pat on the back" ceremony to come... it is the GRACE of GOD shed upon ALL... which brings ALL back unto Himself...  We ALL have had part in the establishment of EVIL in the face and comparison of GOOD... and BOTH shall serve to EXALT GOD, who JESUS said... IS GOOD...

Some are molded of the LIGHT (spirit), while in this DARK (natural) world, to display the (spiritual) LIGHT in this scenario, ...and do not require as much final "sculpting" (judgment), as those who are molded (marred) in the DARKNESS of this world, which DO...

GOD is NO RESPECTER of PERSONS... so each gets the SAME from Him at the CONCLUSION of HIS Creation effort in each...   :grouppray: :boogie:

It is about HIM  :thumbsup:  Sister M, ...not about US...  :mshock:

Which is WHY, ...HE is due ALL GLORY...  That He has decided to SHARE that GLORY ...WITH us, is just our good fortune -- eh?  :bgdance:

As GOD gets that GLORY, ...HE... is thereby magnified... which is as it SHOULD BE!

Jer 29:14

And I will be found of you, saith YHVH, and I WILL TURN YOU AWAY from YOUR CAPTIVITY, and I WILL GATHER YOU from ALL NATIONS, and from ALL PLACES whither ...I... have DRIVEN YOU, saith YHVH... and I WILL BRING YOU ...again... into the PLACE, whence ...I... have CAUSED YOU, to be CARRIED AWAY CAPTIVE...

GOD IS not "mocked" because HE cannot be "mocked" Molly... can the VASE mock the POTTER?  When have you seen such occur?

The vase is MARRED ...IN the HAND, and OF the action and INTENT, ...OF THE POTTER!

Jer 18:4

And the VESSEL that HE MADE of CLAY, ...was MARRED, ...in the HAND of the POTTER:  so HE MADE it again ANOTHER VESSEL, as seemed GOOD to the POTTER to MAKE...

The "CLAY" did not MAR itself!  It was MADE as "marred" sis...

ALL MEN, shall be cleansed of UNRIGHTEOUSNESS in the here and now sister M... before the conclusion of the LAST DAY (which quickly approaches)...

What did JESUS say of those attempting to "mock" Him sis?

Luke 23:34 

Then said JESUS... Father FORGIVE them, for they KNOW NOT, what THEY ...DO...

Why did He SAY "they KNOW NOT what THEY ...DO?"  ...Because the SCRIPTURE says it sis...

Man KNOWS NOT his OWN WAY (GOINGS)... as I quoted above...

Luke 23:36

...and the soldiers also MOCKED Him, coming to Him and offering Him vinegar...

peacE...
...willieH  :icon_king:

[WhiteWings]

:reachout:  Willie :hithere:

FEAR is the message of IMPERFECTION... and is NOT part of the message of LOVE.

Proverbs 9:10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Proverbs 1:7   The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Those verses sound to me fear is something good.
Maybe imperfect because the fearful are just at the start of the path toward God??? 

[Taffy]

:reachout:  Willie :hithere:

FEAR is the message of IMPERFECTION... and is NOT part of the message of LOVE.

Proverbs 9:10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Proverbs 1:7   The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Those verses sound to me fear is something good.
Maybe imperfect because the fearful are just at the start of the path toward God??? 

WW.

FEAR can be understood two ways ,Like many other words In scripture...THERES THE  fear of THOSE  WHO DWELL in the ministry of DEATH  BEING.... PERFECT LOVE(CASTS OUT FEAR) that P.L .being Christ in US...


Then theres fear which I see as Reverence in those verses qouted aboVe..The reverance of WISDOM ( christ is that beginning of wisdom 1Cr 1:24)/ ALSO HE  is the LIGHT of KNOWLEDGE(2Cr 4:6) we are NOT talking head knowledge and wisdom either...

so yes..I would agree....

[Molly]

Alright, who here thinks that Hitler didn't know it was wrong to kill millions of people--and I'm including all the civilians and soldiers who died in the war he and his buddies started.

Hitler and his buddies were satanists.  They knew what they were doing.  And, God knows that they knew.

Perfect love casts out fear is for our benefit.  We are not to be afraid of satan.  Resist him and he will flee.

But the fear of God (of his awesome power and presence) is the beginning of wisdom.

"fear" of the LORD (Prov 1:7)

H3374
יראה
yir'âh
yir-aw'
Feminine of H3373; fear (also used as infinitive); morally reverence: -  X dreadful, X exceedingly, fear (-fulness).

[Taffy]

Alright, who here thinks that Hitler didn't know it was wrong to kill millions of people--and I'm including all the civilians and soldiers who died in the war he and his buddies started.

Hitler and his buddies were satanists.  They knew what they were doing.  And, God knows that they knew.

Perfect love casts out fear is for our benefit.  We are not to be afraid of satan.  Resist him and he will flee.

But the fear of God (of his awesome power and presence) is the beginning of wisdom.

what you mean like the theif on the Cross who KNEW he desrved Death and the wrong HE DID,,but Christ forgave him never the less,,or Paul who persecuted HIS own....

you obviously respect Flesh molly, in that some are worse than  others....you really miss the POINT

[Craig]

:reachout:  Willie :hithere:

FEAR is the message of IMPERFECTION... and is NOT part of the message of LOVE.

Proverbs 9:10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Proverbs 1:7   The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Those verses sound to me fear is something good.
Maybe imperfect because the fearful are just at the start of the path toward God??? 

Fear mentioned there is not the scary emotion, it is an awareness of something greater than yourself. Being that I live in the Rocky Mountains, we go to Banff and Radium Hot Springs, and everytime it is just amazing to see these massive structures the earth produced that God created. It's magnitude just stuns a person in awe.

Fear = yir'ah
1) fear, terror, fearing
....a) fear, terror
....b) awesome or terrifying thing (object causing fear)
....c) fear (of God), respect, reverence, piety
....d) revered

The better translation would be:
The awe of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy is understanding.
The awe of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Here is a reference to pachad in Job,

Awe = pachad
1) Terror, Dread

Job 25:2-6
"Dominion and awe [pachad] belong to God; he establishes order in the heights of heaven.
Can his forces be numbered? Upon whom does his light not rise?
How then can a man be righteous before God? How can one born of woman be pure?
If even the moon is not bright and the stars are not pure in his eyes, how much less man, who is but a maggot - a son of man, who is only a worm!"

Either way by the context used, it is not telling us to be afraid of God, it is to be aware of who we are in comparison to God, the understanding and realization of how significant God and how insignificant we are to Him as a result. The fact He could squash us with a Word, and the more amazing attribute which we know He won't.

That is the beginning of knowledge, that is the beginning of wisdom.

[Molly]

you obviously respect Flesh molly, in that some are worse than  others....you really miss the POINT

It would never in my wildest dreams occur to me to kill millions of people so that I can be rich and powerful.

Much less worship a deity who would help me achieve that goal.


Ephesians 5:30
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

[Taffy]

you obviously respect Flesh molly, in that some are worse than  others....you really miss the POINT

It would never in my wildest dreams occur to me to kill millions of people so that I can be rich and powerful.

Much less worship a deity who would help me achieve that goal.


Ephesians 5:30
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

you answered my post Molly..INDEED YOU DO respect some flesh more than others..and yours above much...Like I said Molly " you miss the point..or maybe choose to miss it"""""

[WhiteWings]

The awe of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy is understanding.

That little word explained it all to me.
Thanks Craig. :thumbsup:

[Molly]

I respect the Word become flesh.

We are to be the light of the world--not those giving Hitlers free passes.

What he and his buddies did was wrong and it was evil beyond measure.

[Taffy]

Here ya go Molly, off again in that which is totally unrelated to the what we are talking off...EVEN THOU YOU STARTED IT...

Good night Molly, Must go Kick the Dog..its chewing me slippers

Blessings Taffy

[Craig]

The awe of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy is understanding.

That little word explained it all to me.
Thanks Craig. :thumbsup:

No problem.

[willieH]

:reachout:  Willie :hithere:

FEAR is the message of IMPERFECTION... and is NOT part of the message of LOVE.

Proverbs 9:10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Proverbs 1:7   The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Those verses sound to me fear is something good.
Maybe imperfect because the fearful are just at the start of the path toward God??? 

FEAR... as in RESPECT and AWE... NOT ...DREAD and TERROR!

peacE...
...willieH  :icon_king:

[willieH]

Alright, who here thinks that Hitler didn't know it was wrong to kill millions of people--and I'm including all the civilians and soldiers who died in the war he and his buddies started.

Hitler and his buddies were satanists.  They knew what they were doing.  And, God knows that they knew.

How do YOU know this?  Let's face it Molly, you are just repeating something someone else has said of them... because YOU weren't there, YOU didnt KNOW them, and YOU are not an EYE WITNESS of this statement!

And besides, GOD KNEW before even, THEY ..."KNEW"!  As I said... ALL THINGS Molly... not just some...

GOD KNEW what Hitler & Co. would do, yet brought them forth regardless... and LET them do what they DID, without lifting a finger to stop it...

peacE...
...willieH  :icon_king:

[willieH]

I respect the Word become flesh.

We are to be the light of the world--not those giving Hitlers free passes.

What he and his buddies did was wrong and it was evil beyond measure.

Did YOU not get a "FREE PASS" Molly?  :dontknow: ...Did you DESERVE it? :dunno:

If you consider Hitler an "enemy" of sorts better FORGIVE HIM Molly!  Or you DISOBEY the CHRIST you profess to follow...

"Let Him without sin, cast the first stone"... JESUS CHRIST

peacE...
...willieH  :icon_king:

[Molly]

I'm not sure we are supposed to look back, Willie, like Lot's wife.


So I will say that I am without sin.



1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


But, as for Hitler and Co. and his satanic comerades--


Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

[Taffy]

Molly

Kicked the dog.. its posts such as this which causes me to DETEST religion..

seems Molly ,the god you know limits Forgivness..That Christ died only for the righteous , and NOT for Mankind.

Forgive those................., nope, ONLY forgive  only those LIKE US...., let the rest BURN, for they deserve it, cause for sure MOLLY, IT SOUNDS VERY MUCH, you DONT have in you to Forgive Mr Hitler.....Stalin et all...let them get there Just deserts..

One day Molly you Just maY come to understand..How sinful , SIN is.....and you will., but it starts and ends WITH YOU...forgive the lack of scripture..falls on deaf ears anyways...
T

[willieH]

I'm not sure we are supposed to look back, Willie, like Lot's wife.


So I will say that I am without sin.

The Apostle John said THIS about such a statement as you have just made in your own words:

1 John 1:8

If we ...SAY... "we have no sin" we DECIEVE ourselves and the TRUTH is not IN US.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


But, as for Hitler and Co. and his satanic comerades--


Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

You conveniently isolate the GRACE of God for yourself Molly... and in that process, deduce it works otherwise for other sinners...

My Bible says:  Where SIN abounded GRACE did MUCH MORE ABOUND...

peacE...
...willieH  :icon_king:

[sparrow]

willieH: Hi Molly...  :happygrin:

ALL things are of GOD Molly... For ALL THINGS,  ...ARE of HIS CREATION... (Col 1:16)  ...this includes every detail of EVERY THING!

It is HE which works ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL (not mans) (Eph 1:11)

Truly, we shall find ourselves RID of the portions of ourselves, which are NOT of CHRIST...  But this is as a baby being washed of its soiled diapers and then rejoices in the comfort and cleanliness of its bath, not TORMENTED in its bath, nor looking toward punishment (for its "misdeed") which is to be FEARED...

FEAR is the message of IMPERFECTION... and is NOT part of the message of LOVE.

1 John 4:18 

There is NO FEAR ...IN LOVE... but PERFECT LOVE, casteth OUT FEAR; ...because FEAR hath TORMENT...   He that FEARETH is NOT made PERFECT, ...in LOVE.

3The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

--Proverbs 15

Prov 20:24

Mans GOINGS are of YHVH;  ...how CAN a man then UNDERSTAND, his OWN WAY?

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

HIS "WAYS"?  What does the Scripture say of MAN's "WAYS"?  (see above and below!)

Jer 10:23

O YHVH, I know that the WAY of MAN, is NOT IN HIMSELF... NOT ...IN... Man that walketh, to DIRECT his STEPS...

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

These are words of RECONCILIATION Molly, ...not of some "reward/punishment" program... that GOD thrust us into...  We are placed here and MADE according to HIS WILL,  the WAY we shall be MADE by HIM, ...not according to OUR OWN WAY under the illusion that we are somehow in part, SELF MADE... (sewing/reaping)...

We SEW because YHVH has ordained that which we SEW... and REAP, because YHVH has ordained that which we REAP... it is not some agenda created by MAN... it is according to the agenda of ETERNITY which GOD lays before us...

REWARD is not some "pat on the back" ceremony to come... it is the GRACE of GOD shed upon ALL... which brings ALL back unto Himself...  We ALL have had part in the establishment of EVIL in the face and comparison of GOOD... and BOTH shall serve to EXALT GOD, who JESUS said... IS GOOD...

Some are molded of the LIGHT (spirit), while in this DARK (natural) world, to display the (spiritual) LIGHT in this scenario, ...and do not require as much final "sculpting" (judgment), as those who are molded (marred) in the DARKNESS of this world, which DO...

GOD is NO RESPECTER of PERSONS... so each gets the SAME from Him at the CONCLUSION of HIS Creation effort in each...   :grouppray: :boogie:

It is about HIM  :thumbsup:  Sister M, ...not about US...  :mshock:

Which is WHY, ...HE is due ALL GLORY...  That He has decided to SHARE that GLORY ...WITH us, is just our good fortune -- eh?  :bgdance:

As GOD gets that GLORY, ...HE... is thereby magnified... which is as it SHOULD BE!

Jer 29:14

And I will be found of you, saith YHVH, and I WILL TURN YOU AWAY from YOUR CAPTIVITY, and I WILL GATHER YOU from ALL NATIONS, and from ALL PLACES whither ...I... have DRIVEN YOU, saith YHVH... and I WILL BRING YOU ...again... into the PLACE, whence ...I... have CAUSED YOU, to be CARRIED AWAY CAPTIVE...

GOD IS not "mocked" because HE cannot be "mocked" Molly... can the VASE mock the POTTER?  When have you seen such occur?

The vase is MARRED ...IN the HAND, and OF the action and INTENT, ...OF THE POTTER!

Jer 18:4

And the VESSEL that HE MADE of CLAY, ...was MARRED, ...in the HAND of the POTTER:  so HE MADE it again ANOTHER VESSEL, as seemed GOOD to the POTTER to MAKE...

The "CLAY" did not MAR itself!  It was MADE as "marred" sis...

ALL MEN, shall be cleansed of UNRIGHTEOUSNESS in the here and now sister M... before the conclusion of the LAST DAY (which quickly approaches)...

What did JESUS say of those attempting to "mock" Him sis?

Luke 23:34 

Then said JESUS... Father FORGIVE them, for they KNOW NOT, what THEY ...DO...

Why did He SAY "they KNOW NOT what THEY ...DO?"  ...Because the SCRIPTURE says it sis...

Man KNOWS NOT his OWN WAY (GOINGS)... as I quoted above...

Luke 23:36

...and the soldiers also MOCKED Him, coming to Him and offering Him vinegar...

peacE...
...willieH  :icon_king:

What an amazing post, Willie! Thank you for taking the time to share that.
It was truly uplifting.  :icon_flower:
Peace, bro.
your sis,
sparrow :HeartThrob:

[Molly]

If we ...SAY... "we have no sin" we DECIEVE ourselves and the TRUTH is not IN US.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.




1 Corinthians 1:8-9
8Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.



1 Corinthians 4:2
Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.