Damned

[WhiteWings]

What's the use of a double perfect life that lasts 2 eternities?
Not even Father or Son can improve perfection.

Well answer me this, is the HG the same as the HS?

8 hours ago I would have said yes. Now I say: I have to look deeper into it.

[pneuma]

Maybe this will be of some help

Could be that the HS is the life of the Father and the HG is the life of the son.

Scriptures say that God gave Jesus a LIFE of his own.

Thus we today get a double portion of LIFE. The LIFE of the Father and the LIFE of the Son.

Should you be able to show me in the Word of God that the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are not the same, then I will say your statement, "Could be that the HS is the life of the Father and the HG is the life of the son." has no premise at all. Do not want to cause discord, but I do not hear that.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Now read cards posts #30 and #38

[micah7:9]

What's the use of a double perfect life that lasts 2 eternities?
Not even Father or Son can improve perfection.

Well answer me this, is the HG the same as the HS?

An absolute yes.

[micah7:9]

Maybe this will be of some help

Could be that the HS is the life of the Father and the HG is the life of the son.

Scriptures say that God gave Jesus a LIFE of his own.

Thus we today get a double portion of LIFE. The LIFE of the Father and the LIFE of the Son.

Should you be able to show me in the Word of God that the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are not the same, then I will say your statement, "Could be that the HS is the life of the Father and the HG is the life of the son." has no premise at all. Do not want to cause discord, but I do not hear that.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Now read cards posts #30 and #38

Have read  #30 and #38 thats why I asking where do you get this info?

[pneuma]

Maybe this will be of some help

Could be that the HS is the life of the Father and the HG is the life of the son.

Scriptures say that God gave Jesus a LIFE of his own.

Thus we today get a double portion of LIFE. The LIFE of the Father and the LIFE of the Son.

Should you be able to show me in the Word of God that the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are not the same, then I will say your statement, "Could be that the HS is the life of the Father and the HG is the life of the son." has no premise at all. Do not want to cause discord, but I do not hear that.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Now read cards posts #30 and #38

Have read  #30 and #38 thats why I asking where do you get this info?

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

[thinktank]

What's the use of a double perfect life that lasts 2 eternities?
Not even Father or Son can improve perfection.

:icon_queen:


So why did they bother to create us, if they were already content in their perfection  :winkgrin:

[WhiteWings]

What's the use of a double perfect life that lasts 2 eternities?
Not even Father or Son can improve perfection.

:icon_queen: So why did they bother to create us, if they were already content in their perfection  :winkgrin:

In your case they created the perfect fool  :wink2:
(okay, bring it on...)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: PS. Love the heart avatar WW.....very appropriate..... :thumbsup:

[thinktank]

What's the use of a double perfect life that lasts 2 eternities?
Not even Father or Son can improve perfection.

:icon_queen: So why did they bother to create us, if they were already content in their perfection  :winkgrin:

In your case they created the perfect fool  :wink2:
(okay, bring it on...)

Thank you  :winkgrin:

1 corinthians



26 Now remember what you were, my friends, when God called you. From the human point of view few of you were wise or powerful or of high social standing.27 God purposely chose what the world considers nonsense in order to shame the wise, and he chose what the world considers weak in order to shame the powerful.28 He chose what the world looks down on and despises and thinks is nothing, in order to destroy what the world thinks is important.29 This means that no one can boast in God's presence.30 But God has brought you into union with Christ Jesus, and God has made Christ to be our wisdom. By him we are put right with God; we become God's holy people and are set free.31



Christ the Power and the Wisdom of God
1 Corinthians
18 For the message about Christ's death on the cross is nonsense to those who are being lost; but for us who are being saved it is God's power.19 (E)The scripture says,

   
         I will destroy the wisdom of the wise
      and set aside the understanding of the scholars.

   
20 (F)So then, where does that leave the wise? or the scholars? or the skillful debaters of this world? God has shown that this world's wisdom is foolishness!

21 (G)For God in his wisdom made it impossible for people to know him by means of their own wisdom. Instead, by means of the so-called
         foolish message we preach, God decided to save those who believe.

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9: PS. Love the heart avatar WW.....very appropriate..... :thumbsup:

I forgot to create an avatar for today's festival --> Giving of the Torah
So I quickly scaled down something. A heart melting ice...

[WhiteWings]

Good study WW , your doing great work these days ! :thumbsup: They are very helpful .... :HeartThrob: Do you think God / Jesus judges acts by giving power to his chosen ones ?

Jesus and His angels. Because the elect are going to rule the millenia kingdom it's not impossible that the elect are the angels = messenger of the word. ^YLTRevelation 14 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, that hath been mingled unmixed in the cup of His anger, and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy messengers, and before the Lamb,

Yes , you makes sense , but dont you think its possible that the fire , is their fiery trails of torment they are going though to humble and save them and the brimstone is the purifying process they are experiencing to change ? for some it sure could happen me thinks :HeartThrob:.

The Bible speaks about a fiery law. A literal translation is "fire law". I had a thought about this last week. What if LoF means: Be fully subjected to or submerged in the law? LoF = law That law burn with brimstone. Brimstone is nearly equal to God. So the law is not just a law; it's (purifying) divine law. :dontknow:

:cloud9: Amen, yes he is  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

And WW, I think that's exactly what it means. The baptism in water is a type of being baptized into His death, while the baptism in the Spirit is as being baptized into His life. Death comes thru sin, which was defined by the law. The law condemns us, the Spirit pardons us. Court adjourned.  :winkgrin:

Then why is LoF called 2nd death instead of 2nd Life? --> Lake of Life  -> LoL :icon_jokercolor:

[micah7:9]

'Cuse the bible says so. Rev 20:14  and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire--this is the second death;
Wait a minute, I been taken, spoofed, embarassed.  I should have know that it was a WW post  :icon_jokercolor: LoL  :mblush:

[rosered]

'Cuse the bible says so. Rev 20:14  and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire--this is the second death;
Wait a minute, I been taken, spoofed, embarassed.  I should have know that it was a WW post  :icon_jokercolor: LoL  :mblush:

:mblush:

[micah7:9]

Signs and symbols....through trusting on Him. Those who have ears to hear will hear. Those with eyes to see wills see. God is Spirit
Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."  Joh 6:63  the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life;

[WhiteWings]

'Cuse the bible says so. Rev 20:14  and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire--this is the second death;
Wait a minute, I been taken, spoofed, embarassed.  I should have know that it was a WW post  :icon_jokercolor: LoL  :mblush:

I'm very much aware of that verse Micah. The longest threads on this forum are about that verse.
It's just that brimstone (the stuff that lake burns with) has all sort of positive qualities.
Then why is it associated with death instead of healing/life/purification/etc.
For me it's just like I'm redecorating my house and don't mention how great my new furniture and floor is, but only keep nagging about the $, work and old junk I threw out.
Remember Revelation is a book of signs.
So is LoF.

[micah7:9]

'Cuse the bible says so. Rev 20:14  and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire--this is the second death;
Wait a minute, I been taken, spoofed, embarassed.  I should have know that it was a WW post  :icon_jokercolor: LoL  :mblush:

I'm very much aware of that verse Micah. The longest threads on this forum are about that verse.
It's just that brimstone (the stuff that lake burns with) has all sort of positive qualities.
Then why is it associated with death instead of healing/life/purification/etc.
For me it's just like I'm redecorating my house and don't mention how great my new furniture and floor is, but only keep nagging about the $, work and old junk I threw out.
Remember Revelation is a book of signs.
So is LoF.

" the book of Revelation is a positive book, all sorts of positive qualities.

[WhiteWings]

Then why it's called 2nd death instead of the more positive 2nd life?

Maybe this discussion doesn't belong in this thread and we should continue here: http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/discussions_universal_salvation/the_lake_fire_or_le_lac_de_feu_8145.msg95855.html#msg95855
I think that thread presents a lot of idea's. (I think the thread is from before you joined?)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Maybe......it's because the first death we had no say in (sin brought death), but the 2nd death as a positive burning up of all things in us that oppose Him, comes with a choice of dying to self.....OR NOT. My  :2c:

[WhiteWings]

OR NOT it is then because those cast in LoF aren't the sainty types  :winkgrin:
OTOH if LoF really represents the law then the saints already went trough it because if I take the Temple (the real building) as an example the priests where not allowed to enter certain parts of the Temple without washing in the Laver (=LoF)
So looking at it that way it's impossible to serve God as a saint/priest without being washed in LoF.....
:2c: :dontknow:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yes, well I consider that to be true, because there are those that will and do minister to men, but the sons of God He is raising up will minister to GOD Himself, and that requires the baptism of fire.

[WhiteWings]

I think there is a verse that says they do both. They just have to slip in different robes made of Linen or wool.

[micah7:9]

Then why it's called 2nd death instead of the more positive 2nd life?

Maybe this discussion doesn't belong in this thread and we should continue here: http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/discussions_universal_salvation/the_lake_fire_or_le_lac_de_feu_8145.msg95855.html#msg95855
I think that thread presents a lot of idea's. (I think the thread is from before you joined?)

Nope I was there and in the discussion. I must go back to see the original post on this discussion here to find out how the LOF got into this thread. :bigGrin:

[micah7:9]

John 7:39

(ASV)  But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: for the Spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yet glorified.

(CLV) Now this He said concerning the spirit which those believing in Him were about to get. For not as yet was holy spirit given, for Jesus is not as yet glorified."

(KJV)  (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)



(WNT)  He referred to the Spirit which those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not bestowed as yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.

(YLT)  and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Eph 4:3  being diligent to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of the peace;
Eph 4:4  one body and one Spirit, according as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5  one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The (Holy) Spirit has ONE function, why does man persisit to devide?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Maybe because there is one spirit, but diverisities thereof?

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass , that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them , Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized ? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is , on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied .

:cloud9: Please note that they were called disciples, that they believed, and in modern day vernacular they would be called "saved", which is usually defined as, "repenting of our sins and asking the Lord to come in". I have yet to meet anyone who is following Him as a disciple, who does NOT have the HS already, as these men had to have had, yet they hadn't received since they believed. Wonder why that is?

[micah7:9]

First please just take the "ghost" out of the equation and verse, a ghost is an old fashioned word for spirit, why dont we just throw in "haints."  King James has not confused you that much I hope :sigh:

And these disciples were in their understanding in John's baptism, they had not heard of any other baptism or filling. There is only ONE Spirit, only ONE Baptism, ONE Lord..................................ONE> What ever "functions" and diversities look to ONE.