Introducing Myself

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: You know what these self proclaimed ones have in common? None of them seem to understand that He said if someone says, lo He is there, don't go. The reason for that is, He has a many-membered body now, so to exclude everyone out but the one, "enlightened one", is easily exposed as error. Blessings....

[Taffy]

:cloud9: You know what  these self proclaimed ones have in common? None of them seem to understand that He said if someone says, lo He is there, don't go. The reason for that is, He has a many-membered body now, so to exclude everyone out but the one, "enlightened one", is easily exposed as error. Blessings....

have a Flower sis..the SUN just shined :icon_flower:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Geez.....I need to read what I write more before I post it......edit corrected my bad, LOL......

[Taffy]

:cloud9: Geez.....I need to read what I write more before I post it......edit corrected my bad, LOL......

ya been reading to many of my emails C...Its wearing off on ya..No worries..could see you Point... :HeartThrob:


No worries, Edit the quote too :icon_flower:

[MacPherson]

:cloud9: Geez.....I need to read what I write more before I post it......edit corrected my bad, LOL......

Rats! I came in after the correction. I hate it when that happens.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: ROFLOL.... :laughing7:

[WhiteWings]

Just send them this link:
WARNING: some might find this material disturbing. I know I did at first.
http://www.atruechurch.info/home.html

Typical case of people with zero friends. Zero influence in real life. Zero self esteem. So they are setting up their own kingdom on the net....

[WhiteWings]

We know whereof we speak, Nathan, and we answer you as does He:
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THEIR RESPONSE
Nathan, how confused you are while presuming to have understanding! By the Nature of God, Light cannot help but be a reproof of darkness:
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You know nothing of our intent or what we do. How can you, when you are manifestly in darkness? You cannot be in the Light when you are found denying God's intrinsic and unalterable Nature. So is the Scripture fulfilled:

Circular reasoning.....

I can just as easily claim they are in the dark and prove that with their own reply.
Just replacing a name is all that is needed.

[WhiteWings]

if that's the definition of a personal attack, haven't you and others here been personally attacking me and paul and victor, since you have been accusing us as a cult?

IMO the three of you are not a cult. A cult has a reasonble amount followers.
Hateful boastful troll would be a better title for Paul.

[MacPherson]

BWHAHAHA! I just wasted time to examine their false teacher list more closely, and found good 'ol Darwin Fish there. Odds are Paul Cohen et al is on his list too. Then again, everyone on the planet, outside of his small band of disciples, is on Darwin's list by default. :laughing7:

[Molly]

BWHAHAHA! I just wasted time to examine their false teacher list more closely, and found good 'ol Darwin Fish there. Odds are Paul Cohen et al is on his list too. Then again, everyone on the planet, outside of his small band of disciples, is on Darwin's list by default. :laughing7:

Darwin Fish sounds like someone out of a Kurt Vonnegut novel. :laughing7:

I miss Kurt... :sigh:

[MacPherson]

if that's the definition of a personal attack, haven't you and others here been personally attacking me and paul and victor, since you have been accusing us as a cult?

IMO the three of you are not a cult. A cult has a reasonble amount followers.
Hateful boastful troll would be a better title for Paul.

I've dropped in on a few so-in-so exposed / false teacher web sites. And they always seem to be seething with hatred towards those on their lists. Now take Hank Hanegraaff (please)for example; he exposes those he considers to be false teaches on his Bible Answer Man radio show. But he makes it clear he has nothing against the individual himself - he is only against what he/she is teaching. No personal attacks. No threats. Whereas one of them wrote to him, "you and your family will pay".

[MacPherson]

Darwin Fish sounds like someone out of a Kurt Vonnegut novel. :laughing7:

Ah yes, good 'ol Kilgore Trout

I miss Kurt... :sigh:

He was something alright.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: When you mentioned it, I couldn't believe that was his real name......poor guy probably has angst over years of name jokes that began in early childhood development...... :mshock:

[pneuma]

Paul C sent me a new reply to my letter to him, so for those interested heres the link

http://indefenceofthecross.blogspot.com/

If some of you are wondering why I bother to reply at all, know that my replies are NOT for Pauls sake but for those who follow Paul and if you read my latest reply in the link above I think you'll understand my reasoning.

God bless

[MacPherson]

Can anyone, or does anyone care to boil down what Paul Cohen's problem with Tentmaker is?

[Nathan]

we R UR He R ET

[MacPherson]

we R UR He R ET

That's what I thought, but Paul Cohen sez:

"Did you know, for example, that the teaching of "eternal hell" is false, not at all taught in Scripture, and was propagated by the Catholic Church to control people, adopted by all her daughters who do the same? Jesus is the Savior of all men, but each in his or her own order."

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/aviadcohen.htm

The only thing I've been able to deduce, without going over 500 miles of dialog, is that Gary A. rubbed him the wrong way.

[Paul Hazelwood]

we R UR He R ET

That's what I thought, but Paul Cohen sez:

"Did you know, for example, that the teaching of "eternal hell" is false, not at all taught in Scripture, and was propagated by the Catholic Church to control people, adopted by all her daughters who do the same? Jesus is the Savior of all men, but each in his or her own order."

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/aviadcohen.htm

The only thing I've been able to deduce, without going over 500 miles of dialog, is that Gary A. rubbed him the wrong way.

If you read the section PaulC has for Gary, the only factor I see thats significant and self explanitory is Gary was busy and didn't have time for Pauls   :blah: :blah: :blah:.



     

[MacPherson]

If you read the section PaulC has for Gary, the only factor I see thats significant and self explanitory is Gary was busy and didn't have time for Pauls   :blah: :blah: :blah:.

That makes two of us. Nuf said.

[peacemaker]

Pneuma, excellent quotes ...

"Words of judgment do not bother me, words of judgment without knowledge do."

"Strife means a courting distinction; a desire to put one's self forward."

"Jesus said, my sheep know my voice and another they will not follow."

... much spoken in few words!

peacemaker

[Witness]

cardinal, i answer your post #216.

i gave a lot more evidence of the work of God in my life than the casting out of devils.  I spoke of having received the Holy Spirit through these men. while there is the Scripture you mention, which shows that one can be found false after having cast out devils, consider this one.

Jesus said:

Luke 11:20 KJV  But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

there are no scriptures that show that one can receive the Spirit through a person who is false. in fact, the disciples who believed Philip's preaching in Acts 8 needed to have peter and john sent to them to receive the Spirit - Philip couldn't do that for them!  And at that same time, simon the conjuror asked for the power to impart the holy Spirit, and that was denied to him because of the evil motives of his heart. 

there is a lot of evidence in the Bible that shows that the Holy Spirit cannot be given through those who are false.

back to the scripture you quoted:

Matthew 7:22-23 KJV  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  (23)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Raising children in the Lord isn't in this list. only true shepherds can raise children in the Lord.

consider that paul the apostle said:

1 Corinthians 9:1-2 KJV  Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?  (2)  If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

I am the seal of victor and Paul's apostleship. who else but the Lord could give me a daily walk with Him with all the fruits of the Spirit and direction through them to this day? all of this testifies to the genuineness of their ministry.

as to the rest of your post, just like CHB you are guilty of taking from the Bible:

Revelation 22:18-19 GNB  I, John, solemnly warn everyone who hears the prophetic words of this book: if any add anything to them, God will add to their punishment the plagues described in this book.  (19)  And if any take anything away from the prophetic words of this book, God will take away from them their share of the fruit of the tree of life and of the Holy City, which are described in this book.

for i have given you the Scriptures that speak against what you are saying- that there are no longer men of God to lead His Body to the right relationship with Him. denying His servants, you deny Him and any portion in Him.

[Witness]

i now answer others of you.

nathan, paul the apostle said:

If I have, as it were, fought "wild beasts" here in Ephesus simply from human motives, what have I gained? But if the dead are not raised to life, then, as the saying goes, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we will die." (1 Corinthians 15:32 GNB)

would you accuse apostle Paul of not having been mature in the faith because he "fought with wild beasts"? 

if that were the case, why would he say this?

Ephesians 6:10-16 KJV
(10)  Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
(11)  Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
(12)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(13)  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(14)  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
(15)  And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
(16)  Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

whereas Paul the apostle says to be strong in the faith, wrestling against the rulers of the darkness of this world, you say it is a sign of immaturity?  there are many Scriptures that indicate otherwise.  Should I take your word over theirs?

there is also this exhortation from jude:

Jude 1:3-4 KJV  Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.  (4)  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

so who are you to hold your opinion higher than the Word of God?

as for the rest of you, why compare us with Darwin Fish?  as you have so amply noticed, we have him listed as a false teacher because he is teaching falsehood, which we pointed out to him for the good of all.  (he was actually teaching people it is OK to masturbate as a believer in christ!  what bondage his teachings would have kept me in!)

WW, can you back up your comment about paul Cohen with the Scriptures?

brian, when a person chooses to hold onto their falsehood rather than heed and obey the Lord, who is the one being hateful? the one who rejects God, or the one who warned him?

[pneuma]

A third reply to Paul, if interested follow the link already provided.

[Nathan]

i now answer others of you.

nathan, paul the apostle said:

If I have, as it were, fought "wild beasts" here in Ephesus simply from human motives, what have I gained? But if the dead are not raised to life, then, as the saying goes, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we will die." (1 Corinthians 15:32 GNB)

would you accuse apostle Paul of not having been mature in the faith because he "fought with wild beasts"? 

if that were the case, why would he say this?

Ephesians 6:10-16 KJV
(10)  Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
(11)  Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
(12)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(13)  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(14)  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
(15)  And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
(16)  Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

whereas Paul the apostle says to be strong in the faith, wrestling against the rulers of the darkness of this world, you say it is a sign of immaturity?  there are many Scriptures that indicate otherwise.  Should I take your word over theirs?

there is also this exhortation from jude:

Jude 1:3-4 KJV  Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.  (4)  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

so who are you to hold your opinion higher than the Word of God?

as for the rest of you, why compare us with Darwin Fish?  as you have so amply noticed, we have him listed as a false teacher because he is teaching falsehood, which we pointed out to him for the good of all.  (he was actually teaching people it is OK to masturbate as a believer in christ!  what bondage his teachings would have kept me in!)

WW, can you back up your comment about paul Cohen with the Scriptures?

brian, when a person chooses to hold onto their falsehood rather than heed and obey the Lord, who is the one being hateful? the one who rejects God, or the one who warned him?

Not going to get pulled into a debate with you . . .