The Economy

[Molly]

 

No they are just firming their grip on all resources.

Exactly, the oil crisis was caused by [many offshore] speculators driving up the price of oil on the commodities markets [take a look at goldman sachs and its relationship to the current and past administration] and now the commodities traders seem to be playing the same game with our food supply.

And where is Congress?  Out to lunch.

[Molly]

Seed is being patented. It doesn't require much thought to figure out it will make food cheaper.

You're being sarcastic, right?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: My uneducated guess is, that would depend on who owns the patent. Blessings....

[Molly]

:cloud9: The Lord showed myself and some friends that this was coming, 20 years ago. A piece of land big enough for a garden and the purchase of seeds (if you buy heirloom seeds that they haven't genetically altered) is going to be the biggest asset, next to a water source. They have started a world seed bank in Sweden or Norway I think it is, in an underground facility. While only the Lord can be looked to for help, He has been giving a lot of people a head's up for decades. Blessings....

The problem is

We are no longer a country of farmers
This new bill HR2749 has passed the house and is going to the senate which will put all family farms under strict regulation by the new Food Police
It is very hard to keep packaged seeds for any length of time
People do not know how to make seeds from their own plants, even if they could grow their own food
We are now a population of cities, not farms

[Molly]

A Simple Plan

Destroy the money supply
Destroy the energy supply
Destroy the food suppy

Destroy private property ownership

Oh, I forgot--limit healthcare by treating it as a scarce resource

[chuckt]

IM GLAD IM JUST A VISITOR ON THIS PLANET.  :bgdance:

[Molly]

RFA: If Speculation Drove Oil Price Volatility, Attention Should Also Be Given to Grain Markets
Date Posted: July 28, 2009

Washington—As reported in numerous outlets, including The Wall Street Journal, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) is preparing a detailed report on the role of speculators in the oil market.



The CFTC report, set to be released sometime in August, is expected to outline the significant role speculation played in driving the wild swings seen in oil prices over the past 18-24 months.


At its peak last summer, oil hit $148 per barrel before falling to a low of $33 per barrel in December 2008.


In a letter to CFTC Chairman Gary Gensler, the Renewable Fuels Association urged the inclusion of grain markets in the Commission's report if not already included.



"Common sense told us that speculation, both in energy markets as well as in other commodities like grains, was a significant factor in the rollercoaster ride we have experienced in commodity markets of late," said Renewable Fuels Association President Bob Dinneen.


"While we don't know the full extent of CFTC's report, we are hopeful the Commission also examined the role of speculators in grain markets.


"Last year's rapid swings in the price of corn corresponded perfectly with the dramatic swings in oil prices, suggesting that the oil market was in the driver's seat and other commodities were just along for the ride.


"Still, I hope the CFTC gives all commodity markets the scrutiny they deserve and uncovers the true causes of last year's unprecedented volatility."


During the height of the manufactured and fictitious food and fuel debate, the ethanol industry routinely noted the role of energy prices and speculation in the rising price of grains like corn and higher food prices.



In testimony before the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in May 2008, hedge fund manager Michael Masters said, "Right now, Index Speculators have stockpiled enough corn futures to potentially fuel the entire United States ethanol industry at full capacity for a year."



Now that the role of speculation in the oil markets is becoming clearer, it begs the question about the role of these same speculators in grain and other commodity markets.



"The RFA recognizes the important and fundamental role that honest hedging plays in commodity markets," wrote Dinneen in the letter.


"It allows producers and consumers of the commodities to protect against volatility caused by natural disasters, political turmoil and other factors.



"But unbridled speculation undermines the value of futures markets.

"Market players who have no intentions of ever taking delivery of the commodities they buy are hurting the economy and restricting the ability of legitimate players to use the markets as they were intended."

http://www.grainnet.com/articles/RFA__If_Speculation_Drove_Oil_Price_Volatility__Attention_Should_Also_Be_Given_to_Grain_Markets-79737.html

[Molly]

IM GLAD IM JUST A VISITOR ON THIS PLANET.  :bgdance:

Yeah, well while you're visiting how about calling your representatives?

[WhiteWings]

Seed is being patented. It doesn't require much thought to figure out it will make food cheaper.

You're being sarcastic, right?

Not sarcastic. Just forgot to type "not" or "more expensive"
I'll edit my message.

[Molly]

Seed is being patented. It doesn't require much thought to figure out it will make food cheaper.

You're being sarcastic, right?

Not sarcastic. Just forgot to type "not" or "more expensive"
I'll edit my message.

They would patent the air we breathe if they could.

Oh, they are--Cap and Trade.

[WhiteWings]

IM GLAD IM JUST A VISITOR ON THIS PLANET.  :bgdance:

Yeah, well while you're visiting how about calling your representatives?

Hello, Diablo Inc. how can we serve you today?

[chuckt]

IM GLAD IM JUST A VISITOR ON THIS PLANET.  :bgdance:

Yeah, well while you're visiting how about calling your representatives?

representative??? you mean Jesus?

chuckt

[Molly]

IM GLAD IM JUST A VISITOR ON THIS PLANET.  :bgdance:

Yeah, well while you're visiting how about calling your representatives?

representative??? you mean Jesus?

chuckt

No I mean the earthly representatives to Congress and the Senate which Jesus gave you.

well, maybe satan gave you the ones you have but Jesus made it possible to have any.

[chuckt]

IM GLAD IM JUST A VISITOR ON THIS PLANET.  :bgdance:

Yeah, well while you're visiting how about calling your representatives?

representative??? you mean Jesus?

chuckt

No I mean the earthly representatives to Congress and the Senate which Jesus gave you.

well, maybe satan gave you the ones you have but Jesus made it possible to have any.

should i go with the less evil of them?

if i am not part of  that part of the babylon system, why should i participate? i kinda long for persecution to come.

i do and will pray for them though.

chuckt

[Molly]

IM GLAD IM JUST A VISITOR ON THIS PLANET.  :bgdance:

Yeah, well while you're visiting how about calling your representatives?

representative??? you mean Jesus?

chuckt

No I mean the earthly representatives to Congress and the Senate which Jesus gave you.

well, maybe satan gave you the ones you have but Jesus made it possible to have any.

should i go with the less evil of them?

if i am not part of  that part of the babylon system, why should i participate? i kinda long for persecution to come.

i do and will pray for them though.

chuckt

The tail is wagging the dog right now, and big international hedge funds are playing with the price of your food--like they played with the price of your oil.

They have tons of money--and nobody is regulating them.  They care not who they destroy.

Meanwhile, Congress is passing one draconian law after another.

Do you care?  I do.  If not for me, for the children...

[chuckt]

The tail is wagging the dog right now, and big international hedge funds are playing with the price of your food--like they played with the price of your oil.

fine with me....

They have tons of money--and nobody is regulating them.  They care not who they destroy.

thier money will perish.

Meanwhile, Congress is passing one draconian law after another.

yup doing what they do, its the nature, dogs wag thier tail, cant stop em.

Do you care?  I do.  If not for me, for the children...

my children are prepared, they know the deal, they are sealed.

peace
chuckt

[Molly]

1 Woe to those who make unjust laws,
       to those who issue oppressive decrees,

2 to deprive the poor of their rights
       and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
       making widows their prey
       and robbing the fatherless.

3 What will you do on the day of reckoning,
       when disaster comes from afar?
       To whom will you run for help?
       Where will you leave your riches?

--Isa 10





Luke 11:46
Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

[Molly]

my children are prepared, they know the deal, they are sealed.

And what about other people's children?

They're on their own?

[Paul Hazelwood]

So does all this mean Jesus is coming?

[chuckt]

1 Woe to those who make unjust laws,
       to those who issue oppressive decrees,

2 to deprive the poor of their rights
       and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
       making widows their prey
       and robbing the fatherless.

3 What will you do on the day of reckoning,
       when disaster comes from afar?
       To whom will you run for help?
       Where will you leave your riches?

--Isa 10





Luke 11:46
Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

what does that have to with our discussion, you saying i deprive the poor of their rights ? who says i load people down with burdens ??? ETC.


do you REALLY think the goverment can fix these things?b who is that say man can save the earth??? who is it that says man is god?

chuckt

[chuckt]

my children are prepared, they know the deal, they are sealed.

And what about other people's children?

They're on their own?

i help as many as i can, i know EXACTLY where my money goes and to who  :winkgrin:


"""but Lord Lord, i voted, a got involved in politics, i gave em money"" ETC ETC.


dont accuse me of sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing, or that we shouldnt do anything.

IF God has called you someplace then Go for it, dont think others should do what God hasnt told them, even telling them not too.


IF we all got together and ""fixed"" the world, who gets the credit? look look look what we did, the news and the press would glorify men, as they already do.


lets take back the streets of america for God, for real, that mindset is dangerous, and one might find himself fighting against Gods very plan for the country.










peace
chuckt

[WhiteWings]

do you REALLY think the goverment can fix these things?

Not when their handlers are greedy.

who is that say man can save the earth??? who is it that says man is god?

I think man can at least try. Ok it will never become a garden of Eden but I think there is room for improvement.

That said I don't see it happen unless some very drastic changes take place. Changes that will cost many lives...

[chuckt]

do you REALLY think the goverment can fix these things?

Not when their handlers are greedy.

who is that say man can save the earth??? who is it that says man is god?

I think man can at least try. Ok it will never become a garden of Eden but I think there is room for improvement.

That said I don't see it happen unless some very drastic changes take place. Changes that will cost many lives...

i never said anything about not trying, and we should try, some thru goverment some NOT, i am of the NOT.

if anyone thinks the goverment will become a loving christian insitution they are deluded.

you wanna work thru the goverment, go for it, im not stopping you, DONT demand i do the same.

paul turned that world upside down without the help of the goverment.

where is he today? where is Christ?

when i say ""you"" i dont mean ""you""  :winkgrin:


peace
chuckt

[martincisneros]

IM GLAD IM JUST A VISITOR ON THIS PLANET.  :bgdance:

Not sure why, but I'm the only Christian that can't admit to that, otherwise the very Christians that would claim this of themselves think I'm off my rocker. Someone was asking me something to this effect on Skype sometime back & the Holy Spirit rose up in me immediately & said "IT'S A TRAP!" & would only let me say I was from earth, & the disappointment in their reply on the IM part of Skype gave me the mixed impression that they'd of either become skittish on me if I'd said anything else - or that somehow it would have been held against me as though I were looney tunes! For some reason, I'm the only Christian that can't say this, or any implications of other worldly, otherwise :mrflo: :Whistle: :angry1: :shakepoint: :whistleshake: :eek: :spank: :punish: :hammerhead: :gfish: :Shoot: :bdh: :talkangry: :thewife: 'cause they're thinking I'm a quack :duck:

[Doc]

I just came across this post on Wisefire Community, and thought I'd share it here:


"The Gospel of the Kingdom.

The true Gospel of the Kingdom of God is not the same Gospel as that preached in the churches, nor is it the so-called Gospel of the Bible, for it is the Gospel of the Spirit of God issuing forth from the Kingdom of God within the spirit of Man.
As John taught in the Scriptures, unless we are generated (given spirit life) from a higher source, (that is from the Spirit within) we cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven, and unless we are generated from Spirit, we cannot enter the Kingdom.

The Gospel that we have all been listening to is about a God who lives somewhere up in the sky, who works independantly from us, and who will receive us in his Kingdom in the sky, if we are good.

The real Kingdom of God is within the spirits of Man, where God has planned to live, for we are being created for his habitation, and Christ in us is the fulfilment of that plan.
Jesus, as the firstbegotten of the Christ family, became the "Way" shower, to show us how to get there, not from anything he said or did of himself, but from what God showed him, and did in him.
Jesus himself spoke of the "Way" that involved being taught by the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, and Paul reinforced that teaching by saying that once we begin to be taught by the Holy Spirit, we would not need any Man to teach us.
To the religious people of his time, Jesus said that they could not yet go where he was going, but spoke later of a time that they would be where he is, and that time refers to when Man gives up on human teachers, and is disciplined into the ways of being taught by the Holy Spirit from within themselves.
The Gospel of the Kingdom is about leaving the Tree of knowledge, with its laws, and becoming a part of the Tree of Life, where all our needs are supplied from the Kingdom of Heaven within us, but it is a sacrificial way, that requires the willingness to lose what we have thought was our life, for the sake of our real spiritual life, that is the Christ being formed within us.

There is a reason why this Gospel has been hidden for generations, to allow Mans efforts to come to nothing, which leaves him with no other choice but to turn to God, such is Man's vanity.
We are now in the time of the fulfilment of God's plans, and this means the end of Man's plans, and the first stage will be seen in the collapse of the economy, and the final destruction of the monetary system, to enable the introduction of Love as God's economy.
With this end to the monetary system will come the collapse of the religious system, which is dependant upon the monetary system for it's support.
There will be no need for panic, though many will, for God will not leave us helpless, and is setting up his own system to support those who trust him.

The true Gospel of the Kingdom is good news, because the truth is that we, as God's creations, have within us everything that we need, and it only requires us to come out of our reprobate minds, and seek God within our spirit to find fellowship with God, as Adam had in the Garden of Eden before he sold his birthright."