The Economy

[jabcat]

*HR 1388 Passed*...
Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to
know this....

Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed yesterday, behind our backs.
PLEASE PASS THIS ON... ALL AMERICANS NEEDS TO KNOW

WE are losing this country at a rapid pace.

I have no idea if this particular email is true or not.  [EDIT:  Ah, I see Snopes says MOSTLY false.  Mostly seems to leave some room for some possibilities.  I don't mean to be a real paranoid here, but then how reliable is Snopes?  :sigh:  I don't know.  From what I read, they're just a husband and wife team that investigates things.  Don't know what their particular biases are.  I personally believe most of us have SOME biases that affect our perception.  ] 

Anyway, I get some stuff that is pretty questionable, and some of it I check out, and it seems to be false.  This one may be true, but even if not, the increasing # of czars and so called "shadow government", IMO, is a real concern.  Another way to bypass the light of day and do things in the dark, as this says, "behind our back".

One thing to be aware of (we'll hear of it eventually I guess if it does happen) is, watch for some of the proposals (even ones being "backed off of" publically) to be slipped in the back door...supposedly while no one's watching.  The thing is, either way it goes, God's not only watching, but He's using all this stuff for His purposes.  In the process right now perhaps of getting our attention and turning us toward Him.

[Beloved Servant]

Jab,
remember who you are.
not under the law.
under grace.
Don't get involved.

[jabcat]

I hear you.  I'm going through a process of sorting that, seeing if there's any room for "Godly involvement" (for lack of a better term?), even perhaps His will in some areas vs. totally ignoring it all.  In an earlier post I said I'm sorting through that.  I know some believe in being knee-deep in it from a "Godly perspective", while others (apparently including one of the elders I really respect, J.Preston) seem to say eyes totally somewhere else...on the heavenlies.  A little searching right now, friend.  Thanks for the reminder  :thumbsup:.  I'm not oblivious, but searching it out.  God's speaking to me, I just need to make sure I'm hearing His voice.  Sometimes I imagine things   :laughhand:.  Gots'ta be careful  :bigGrin:.

Thanks again for the reminder, pray for me.

[sparrow]

I hear you.  I'm going through a process of sorting that, seeing if there's any room for "Godly involvement" (for lack of a better term?), even perhaps His will in some areas vs. totally ignoring it all.  In an earlier post I said I'm sorting through that.  I know some believe in being knee-deep in it from a "Godly perspective", while others (apparently including one of the elders I really respect, J.Preston) seem to say eyes totally somewhere else...on the heavenlies.  A little searching right now, friend.  Thanks for the reminder  :thumbsup:.  I'm not oblivious, but searching it out.  God's speaking to me, I just need to make sure I'm hearing His voice.  Sometimes I imagine things  :bigGrin:.

I've done the former, now I'm starting to lean more back into this...
I'm with ya, jab...
just trying to sort it all out.
peace bro.

[Molly]

Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
   let me hide myself in thee;
   let the water and the blood,
   from thy wounded side which flowed,
   be of sin the double cure;
   save from wrath and make me pure.

--Augustus M. Toplady, 1740-1778

Confide ye in Jehovah for ever; for in Jah, Jehovah, is the rock of ages.
--Isa 26:4 [Darby translation]


The lyrics to this song were written over 200 years ago, yet it was just the other day that I discovered the Biblical reference in the Hebrew.  It is not in the King James version we have online.  If it weren't for this old song, I would  never have heard of the rock of ages.

We are living in a dark ages of Christianity.  The thief has climbed over the fence and taken charge of the flock. If satan could have three wishes, what would they be?  That the followers of Jesus worship satan, eat dirt, and throw themselves off a high building?  Satan, of course, would prefer us dead or neutralized if we will not worship him, even if by mistake.

As, Reformer says, get a magnifying glass, because if Christians don't know what is in the Bible, satan will be happy to tell them.  In particular, the strange brand of aggressive/passive philosophy that passes for Christianity today is a brilliant emasculator of the flock.  Either they are fighting wars overseas or being passive at home, waiting for the rapture.

Even a cursory reading of the Bible would show that neither was intended by Christ.  Christianity is a pro-active religion, bringing the principles of Christ to all areas of life and society.    Those saying the Bible tells us to follow and obey our leaders forget that our founders, who thought they were creating the kingdom of God on earth, made us our own leaders.  The king is dead, long live the sovereign people.  We have only one King, and it is him we should serve.  He can only work through us in the world if we allow it. And, that requires a lot of courage and maturity.  But, we need never be afraid because when things get too tough out there,  we always have this hiding place, a huge boulder like the rock of Gibraltar with a cleft in it for us, where we can find refreshment and rest for another day of battle.



14My dove, in the clefts of the rock, In the covert of the precipice, Let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; For sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

--Song of Solomon 2


"cleft"


H2288
חגו
chăgâv
khag-awv'
From an unused root meaning to take refuge; a rift in rocks: - cleft.

[Raggedy Anne]

If I could the first change I would make in the government is term limits for all politicians.

Me too.  I think the Almighty is going to limit all our terms in a jiffy, quite frankly. 
Washington and the tentacles of governmental corruption covering the entire globe are a quagmire of quicksand.
I think that is why God allowed the invention of the dreaded A and H bombs.

from 2Peter - Chapter 3 ...
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.  Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hastening to the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.  For this reason, my loved ones, as you are looking for these things, take great care that when he comes you may be in peace before him, free from sin and every evil thing.

[Cardinal]

If I could the first change I would make in the government is term limits for all politicians.

Boy, do I second that one.  IMO, that's a HUGE part of MANY problems...they've forgotten they are the people's representatives and servants, and some think instead they are our bosses (if not dictators).  Two terms and adios.

On a technical note...would they have to vote that into law themselves, or would that be by referendum  :dontknow:?

:cloud9: If they keep ahead, it may by 'mob rule', LOL........Blessings....

[Molly]

If I could the first change I would make in the government is term limits for all politicians.

Boy, do I second that one.  IMO, that's a HUGE part of MANY problems...they've forgotten they are the people's representatives and servants, and some think instead they are our bosses (if not dictators).  Two terms and adios.

On a technical note...would they have to vote that into law themselves, or would that be by referendum  :dontknow:?

:cloud9: If they keep ahead, it may by 'mob rule', LOL........Blessings....

Term limits will not work because then you will have a lameduck representative who will have no reason not to run amuck in his last term.  Think term limits in your head, though.  There is no reason for career politicians.

The solution is an educated and involved population who knows who they are voting for, not just voting on name recognition.  Know how your representative voted on various bills, and if you don't approve elect someone else.  Better yet, run for office yourself.  Get involved, talk to his office, send him letters, let him know you are there and you are watching him.

Our constitution originally called for senators to be appointed by both parties from the state congress.  I like this because anyone both parties could agree on would tend to be more of a statesman than a politician.  We should return to this method of picking senators.  That way, carpetbaggers couldn't move to a state with a ton of money and buy themselves a seat from the voting public who value name recognition above anything else.

Oh, and PS:  Count the votes by hand using paper ballots.

Freedom is not for the lazy and uninvolved.

[Doc]

I hear you.  I'm going through a process of sorting that, seeing if there's any room for "Godly involvement" (for lack of a better term?), even perhaps His will in some areas vs. totally ignoring it all.  In an earlier post I said I'm sorting through that.  I know some believe in being knee-deep in it from a "Godly perspective", while others (apparently including one of the elders I really respect, J.Preston) seem to say eyes totally somewhere else...on the heavenlies.  A little searching right now, friend.  Thanks for the reminder  :thumbsup:.  I'm not oblivious, but searching it out.  God's speaking to me, I just need to make sure I'm hearing His voice.  Sometimes I imagine things   :laughhand:.  Gots'ta be careful  :bigGrin:.

Thanks again for the reminder, pray for me.

My perspective is that we at least need to be aware of what's going on, then we can listen for God's voice as to how and if we need to be involved in each particular area. The key I think is to do only what we see the Father doing and not act on our own initiative.

I think the biggest mistake we can make is assume, like the Jews of Jesus' day did, that our messiah is coming (or has come) to set up an earthly political kingdom and destroy or remove all our physical enemies. Folks who look for that messiah are not going to recognize him, and miss him today, just like the religious did back then.

[Redlettervoice]

[/quote]
Doc said:
My perspective is that we at least need to be aware of what's going on, then we can listen for God's voice as to how and if we need to be involved in each particular area. The key I think is to do only what we see the Father doing and not act on our own initiative.

I think the biggest mistake we can make is assume, like the Jews of Jesus' day did, that our messiah is coming (or has come) to set up an earthly political kingdom and destroy or remove all our physical enemies. Folks who look for that messiah are not going to recognize him, and miss him today, just like the religious did back then.
[/quote]

RLV, I think its something how people show themselves thru topics like
this.  I have NEVER been interested in politics one bit and I notice a
change in "Anne" since I used to hush her up behind the scenes, and
NOW, "I'm" doing it.  ha

The only reason I watch it so tho is because I heard the  Spirit speak
that not only was He going to "shake" the religious world......but
the policital too......I knew it was God, so I started watching t. v.
back when the campaign started. 

I still don't know nothing about politics, there are too many tales told
opposite one another, so it would still take "God" Himself to sort all
this out, but this I know:  The PURPOSE of the Shaking .......is told
in Hebrews:  It is: "So that........that which cannot be shaken will
remain."

God cannot be shaken. 

The Kingdom of God.

So we can serve Him without fear.............Glory!

[rosered]

  wise words  Dear REDLETTERVOICE   :HeartThrob:

Gods plan in power is still in full force  ,
  we trust in Him for every need  and everyone  :icon_flower:

[jabcat]

Funny thing is, I don't disagree with anyone voicing their varying opinions on this thread.  There are just so many different pieces...maybe God uses one person one way, and another a different way.  Maybe one's place is to pray and live a peaceable, "uninvolved" life, and their life will witness and work in exactly the places God intends.  Maybe another is led to be more "involved", speaking up, standing up, and that witnesses and works in exactly the places God intends.

Again, I'm sort of sorting through this myself.  I do believe (whatever this means EXACTLY right now, I'm not sure) that our spirit is living in a heavenly kingdom - but our feet are still on the ground.

[sparrow]

jabcat... again, we are seeing this in similar ways. Those are all the things I think about too.
Well, just wanted you to know you're not alone.
Still pondering along with ya.

[Beloved Servant]

Jabcat — always the voice of reason!
For each in his own order.

[jabcat]

Thanks Sparrow and BServ.  I needed a little encouragement tonight.  Your kind words really meant something to me.    Wishing special blessings to you both.  James.

[Molly]

CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN.  TELL THEM TO GIVE THE FARMERS OF SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY BACK THEIR WATER.

THE EPA IS ENGINEERING THE DUST BOWLS OF 1931.  THIS IS UNCONSCIONABLE.  This is what the communists did to the Russian farmers in the 30's.


AUGUST 14, 2009, 11:26 P.M. ET
It's Fish Versus Farmers in the San Joaquin Valley
Crops rot and people stand in line for food while the EPA engineers a drought.
By DEVIN NUNES
San Joaquin Valley, Calif.

In 1931, a severe drought began that within a few years engulfed the Oklahoma panhandle and a third of the Great Plains in a "Dust Bowl." Tens of thousands of people fled the region—many traveling to California along Route 66, which John Steinbeck called "the mother road, the road of flight" in "The Grapes of Wrath."

A lot of the "Okies" settled in the San Joaquin Valley. In the decades that followed, state and federal officials built dams and other irrigation projects that helped turn the valley into some of the world's richest farmland.

But today the San Joaquin Valley is being transformed into a dust bowl. Hundreds of thousands of acres are fallow, while almond and plum trees are being left to die in the scorching sun. Tens of thousands of people have been tossed out of work—the town of Mendota alone has an unemployment rate of about 40%—and the lines for food donations stretch down streets. The reason? There isn't enough water to go around this year, and the Obama administration is drawing up new reasons to divert more of it from farms and people and into the San Francisco Bay.

The valley has traditionally been a place where someone with few belongings, little education and even no ability to speak English could prosper by picking grapes, milking cows, or hoeing cotton fields. The hearty people who came here were Portuguese, Mexican, Armenian, Italian, Basque and Dutch, along with westward-traveling Americans and Okies. More recent arrivals are from El Salvador, Vietnam and India. I am the product of a Portuguese family that came decades ago.

California has the largest water storage and transportation system in the world. With 1,200 miles of canals and nearly 50 reservoirs, the system captures enough water to irrigate about four million acres and provide water to 23 million people. In many cases, as with the San Joaquin Valley, water in this system is sold to communities by the federal government.

Some claim that California is facing a three-year-old drought. But, according to the state's Department of Water Resources, California reservoirs have received 80% of their normal amount of water and precipitation in the northern Sierras has been 95% of its yearly average this year. So why isn't there more water for farms? Because theirs is a regulatory-mandated drought. The 1973 Endangered Species Act requires that the government take steps to save endangered species. In California, that's meant diverting vast sums of water into rivers and streams to protect fish. Those diversions this year have forced federal authorities to decide who to serve—fish or farmers.

On Dec. 15, 2008, the Bush administration's Fish and Wildlife Service chose fish, a decision driven by a lawsuit filed in federal court in 2006 by the Natural Resources Defense Council and other environmental groups. To settle the suit, the Fish and Wildlife Service agreed to divert more than 150 billion gallons of water this year away from farmers south of San Francisco in hopes of protecting the Delta smelt—a three-inch bait fish. The water is now flowing underneath the Golden Gate Bridge and out into the Pacific Ocean.

Of course, the Delta smelt isn't a particularly attractive species to protect when it means throwing Americans out of work. On June 4, the National Marine Fisheries Service declared that delivering water to farms in the San Joaquin Valley would harm killer whales in the Pacific. And to save the whales, the Obama administration is now demanding even greater water restrictions beyond what has been diverted for the smelt.

There are 130 animal species in California on the federal endangered list, including five salmon species, five steelhead species, four trout species and the North American green sturgeon. To date, not a single fish within the California water system has been removed from the Endangered Species List over the past 35 years. Despite massive amounts of water diverted to help them, the "protected" smelt, sturgeon and salmon populations have continued to decline. It is hardly unreasonable to ask why farmers should continue to suffer if diverting water hasn't even helped the fish.

Congress has the power to solve this crisis. In 2003, a fish-versus-families debate erupted in New Mexico after water deliveries to Albuquerque from the Rio Grande River were cut off to protect habitat for the silvery minnow—another three-inch bait fish. Congress temporarily suspended portions of the Endangered Species Act and guaranteed that water would be provided to Albuquerque. The situation in California is virtually identical and repeating what was done in New Mexico would do wonders for San Joaquin Valley farmers.

It would also accomplish more than what the administration currently has in mind. Next month Interior Secretary Ken Salazar is planning to hold a hearing on the situation in California, following up on a visit he made to the valley in June.

A spokesman for the Interior Department recently declared that San Joaquin Valley's water problems are a top priority for the Obama administration and that the river that flows through the valley and eventually to the ocean to form the San Joaquin Delta is as precious a natural resource as Florida's Everglades. What is precious and what President Barack Obama should come to see for himself are the 40,000 people in the valley who are desperate for water so they can get back to work.

If it doesn't start flowing any time soon, perhaps he can tell them where they should go. Back to Oklahoma?

Mr. Nunes is a Republican congressman representing California's 21st district.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574318621482123090.html

[Molly]

The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомор; translation: death by starvation) refers to the famine of 1932–1933 in the Ukrainian SSR during which millions of people were starved to death because of the Soviet policies. There were no natural causes for starvation and in fact, Ukraine - unlike other Soviet Republics - enjoyed a bumper wheat crop in 1932.[1][2] The Holodomor is considered one of the greatest calamities to affect the Ukrainian nation in modern history. Millions of inhabitants of Ukraine died of starvation in an unprecedented peacetime catastrophe.[1][3][4][5]

--Wikipedia

1928
Stalin introduces a program of agricultural collectivization that forces peasants/farmers to combine their land and livestock into collective farms. Stalin decides that collective farms would not only feed the industrial workers in the cities but would also provide a substantial amount of grain to be sold abroad, with the money used to finance his industrialization plans.

1929
A policy of enforcement is applied, using regular troops and secret police to confiscate lands and livestock. Many Ukrainian peasants/farmers, known for their independence, still refuse to join the collective farms. Stalin decides to "liquidate them as a class".

1930
Hundreds of thousands are expropriated, dragged from their homes, packed into freight trains, and shipped to Siberia where they are left, often without food or shelter. In the end, 1,000,000 Ukrainian peasants are seized and more than 850,000 deported to the frozen tundras of Siberia, where many perished.

1932
The Soviet government increased Ukraine's production quotas by 44%, ensuring that they could not be met. Starvation becomes widespread.

1933
Ukrainians are dying at the rate of 25,000 a day. In the end, up to 10 million starve to death.

On November 28th 2006, the Verkhovna Rada (Parliament of Ukraine) had passed a decree defining the Holodomor as a deliberate Act of Genocide.

http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html



Ukraine had been the bread basket of Europe. Its rich soil produced an abundance of grain, which was harvested by a people who valued their cultural independence. In 1918, Ukraine declared its independence, after 200 years of Russian domination, in the wake of the Russian Revolution. For the next four years, Ukrainians fought off Lenin's army. Trying to lure Ukraine back into the communist fold with a softer hand, Lenin eased the grain requisitions — the amount of grain compulsorily sent to the Soviet Union — and allowed peasants to engage in small-scale free enterprise.

But Lenin's replacement, Stalin, was dismayed by the loss of Russian influence in Ukraine. Ukrainian schools were teaching Russian as a foreign language. Ukrainian literature and culture aligned itself more with Western attitudes.

By 1928, with a firm grip on power and annoyed by communism's failure to spread, Stalin lost all patience with regional separatism. He sent his forces to subdue and then smash Ukrainian culture, starting with the church and the intelligentsia.

Despite decades of Soviet denials and attempted revisionism, the documentary and anecdotal evidence indicates that Stalin and his henchmen orchestrated one of history's most wretched genocides. There were mass arrests. Priests were shot or sent to Siberian concentration camps. Some people simply disappeared and were never seen again.

Stalin wanted to transform the USSR from a rural society into a modern industrial power, but he needed to buy technology from the West. He had to have an exportable commodity. He had to have Ukraine's grain. Farms would be collectivised, which meant the liquidation of better-off peasants — basically, any farmer employing labour and using machinery.

Having crushed Ukraine's cultural and spiritual communities, Stalin believed that the prosperous peasants — a sort of rural middle class — would be the likely leaders of any subsequent revolt. They were declared enemies of the people, and it was forbidden to assist them.

Over the next three years, an estimated 1 million people were herded on to trains and sent to remote reaches of the Soviet Union, where they worked as slave labour to produce raw materials for sale to the West.

In the 1983 Canadian documentary Harvest Of Despair, a narrator says: "This was the end of the line for many of the best farmers, cultural and religious leaders of Ukraine."

YOUNG Bolsheviks were sent to Ukraine's villages to enforce the Soviet Union's grain demands. Rebellion was met by troop deployments and harsher enforcement. Demoralised farmers refused to work, so Stalin raised the grain quotas to beyond what could conceivably be produced, forcing desperate farmers to abandon their resistance and join the collectives.

Stalin's next act was to levy crippling quotas on the collectives, even though they ostensibly were "on side" with the Soviet regime.

The chief result of Stalin's demands was the deliberate starvation of a nation. Farmers crowded into cities, selling heirlooms to buy the bread they had produced. Village mothers threw starving children onto trains heading for Kiev, hoping that someone would take pity on the children and feed them at the other end.

Associate Professor Marko Pavlyshyn is head of the school of language, culture and linguistics at Monash University, and also director of its Centre for Ukrainian Studies. He says the years immediately preceding and following the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union presented an opportunity to gather new testimonies of famine survivors and to publish documents about the famine from Soviet archives.

"It is quite clear, for example, from resolutions of the Politburo, that the higher echelons of the party and Stalin himself not only knew what was going on, but were convinced it was necessary — in order to achieve the proclaimed goal of collectivisation and to break down any opposition from alleged class enemies.

"I don't know of any document that would say, 'Our aim is now to starve a people to the verge of extinction,' but it's quite clear that all the measures were going to have that effect.

"What was going through the minds of those who had to carry the policy out is very difficult to know. I'm sure there were some who were convinced that this was the only way to move the revolution forward — ideologically committed people who thought they were building for the future," he says.

"And there must have been a great many more who were terrified of what would happen to them should they fail to perform Stalin's orders to the letter. But from the perspective of those who were suffering, these people were all representatives of a regime that had lost all sense of humanity and who, on the contrary, had become evil."

The Communist Party had about 112,000 activists stationed in Ukraine to guard the grain from the hungry crowds who had harvested it. And while the Soviets blamed recalcitrant Ukrainians for food rationing in their cities, in reality the Soviet Union was busy dumping huge quantities of wheat on world markets.

Andur Hencke, the wife of the German consul stationed in Kiev, recalled Russian newspapers reporting a famine in Germany but no problems in the USSR. Angered, she went outside and took pictures of the corpses littering Kiev's streets.

Meanwhile, the Soviet disinformation system peddled to the world its message of serenity and plenty in Ukraine. Even visits to the nation by writer George Bernard Shaw and a senior French politician were

British correspondent Malcolm Muggeridge, however, defied a Soviet travel ban in order to report on life in the Ukrainian countryside. Muggeridge knew his reports of suffering and death were dynamite, so he sent them back to England in a diplomatic bag and fled the Soviet Union before they were published.

For every story reporting the forced famine, Muggeridge said later, two would appear in Russian papers denying the accusations. Interviewed decades later, Muggeridge condemned a New York Times correspondent, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Walter Duranty, as "the greatest liar I have met in 50 years of journalism".

Muggeridge said Duranty played the Soviets' propaganda game. "When it came to the famine brought about by collectivisation, his reporting was particularly disgraceful," Muggeridge said.

Duranty was allowed unchaperoned access to Ukraine, yet still managed to tell the West that talk of famine was ridiculous. An unfortunate result of Duranty's "no famine" articles was that the United States, previously uncertain, decided it was safe to recognise the Soviet Union. This occurred despite the existence of documents from the British Foreign Office showing that in private conversations in the British embassy, Duranty had reported that up to 10 million people may have died.

IN 2002, a campaign by Ukrainian communities around the world to have Duranty's Pulitzer Prize revoked was rejected by the award's committee.

Marko Pavlyshyn says the famine ended only when the futility of resistance was understood. "The war was won by the communists when the famine demonstrated to the peasants that it was not possible for them to resist. If they resisted, then the cost would be a terrible vengeance. The war aims had been achieved. There would never be any peasant rebellion again, and so the famine could end."


THE WORLD ACKNOWLEDGES

■Up to 10 million Ukrainians believed to have died in 1932-33.

■About one-third of the country's children died.

■The mass starvation was engineered by the Soviet Union under Stalin, to crush Ukraine's desire to remain independent.

■It was achieved by demanding more grain than Ukraine could reasonably produce.

■Enforced starvation reached its peak through the winter and spring of 1933, when an estimated 25,000 died every day.

Steve Waldon is an Age writer.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/in-depth/ukraines-harvest-of-sorrow/2008/03/07/1204780057596.html

[Paul Hazelwood]

The water issue is fueled by one ridiculous crime against human beings and that is putting animals above people.

No apologies to the animal rights or endangered species advocates,  you deny humans work and food and prosperity over a little fish or something of that nature then you have done nothing righteous. 

[Molly]

No problem.  We can always buy our fruit, vegetables, and nuts from China, lining the pockets of the globalist middlemen on the way.

Hopefully, they are better at doing fruit than they are at doing baby's milk and dog food.

[Paul Hazelwood]

No problem.  We can always buy our fruit, vegetables, and nuts from China, lining the pockets of the globalist middlemen on the way.

Hopefully, they are better at doing fruit than they are at doing baby's milk and dog food.

As long as the little fish lives we can rest in comfort.

[Molly]

Obamanomics: Here Come the Food Shortages
August 15, 2009 ·
By Scarecrow

While all eyes are on Wall Street, watching for even the faintest signal that the economy will recover as promised by Barack Obama, no one is paying attention to what is happening on the Chicago Board of Trade (CBOT). Here's a clue. It doesn't matter what happens on Wall Street. The big players and the big money have abandoned stocks in favor of commodities.

Commodities aren't something the average American understands, let alone associates with wealth. But it is commodities, the tack and trade of big agribusiness and big Government, that are the backbone of the economy. And what is happening there is beyond alarming. There's a food shortage coming to America.

The price of beef, pork, and chicken is plummetting. The price of non-organic milk, otherwise known as liquid chemical sludge, is plummeting as well. That's good for consumers, right? Wrong. The price is falling because family farmers and those with any sense at all are dumping their livestock as fast as they can. Why? Because the same speculators that caused the current economic catastrophe have fled Wall Street for the CBOT, investing heavily in grain, oil, copper, and other natural resources that are traded in Chicago. As a result, the price of grain is skyrocketing. Smart producers know they won't be able to feed their animals if this keeps up, so they're liquidating now. This is a great time to stock up on meat. And if you don't do it now, within a year, you won't be able to.

It's not just the price of meat and milk that will skyrocket, so will the price of cereal, infant formula, bread, pasta, and everything else. Not only will the price soar, in the very near future there will be a shortage of the foods we are used to getting for next to nothing. Ask yourself this, when speculators were playing with the oil market, what happened? Oil is a commoditiy, traded in the exact same manner, by the exact same people who are now speculating in food futures. This is the exact same pattern that caused Stalin's regime to seize Russia's farms in the early twentieth century. This is the same pattern that caused the Great Depression. Here we go again.

What can you do? As I said in an earlier post, buy a freezer or learn how to dry or can meat. Do it now. The price of food is about to go through the roof. Stock up on flour, sugar, and other commodities. And, don't tell anyone that you have a reserve of food. Why? Because after Stalin destroyed Russia's farming economy, and the urban population got real hungry, he seized all of the food that farmers had stored.

Think it can't happen here? Let's see–speculators drive the price of grain through the roof; farmers dump their livestock causing a glut, but they don't replenish the animals they cull which leads to a shortage. Meanwhile, as the speculators drive up the price of grain, more and more farmers plant grain to get in on the deal, which drives the prices even higher. Why you ask? Wouldn't more grain mean lower prices? Nope. When the price of grain starts rising, farmers will want to plant it, creating a demand for seed. But there is only so much seed to go around. So, to meet the demand for seed, grain that should be processed for consumption will be diverted to seed, expensive seed at that. Because this is where the laws of supply and demand hit home. And then, just when you think it can't get worse, the "greens" decide to regulate how much dust combines (equipment that is used to harvest grain) can emit, making it even more expensive to harvest grain, and even more farmers are priced out of business.

Like Thomas E. Woods, Jr. says in his excellent book Meltdown: A Free-Market Look at Why the Stock Market Collapsed, the Economy Tanked, and Government Bailouts Will Make Things Worse, "we are really in for it."

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2009/08/15/obamanomics-here-come-the-food-shortages/

[WhiteWings]

I see things a bit larger than fish and water.
Currently we have or have not an oil shortage. Burning fossile fuel does or does not cause global warming.
The ones in power say oil is running out and burning it causes the green house effect.
How does that link to water? Money.
Because the price of crude oil rise some are searching for alternative fuel. in the meanwhile eco-tax is added to oil products to maximize gains. Sorry to protect th enviorment.
One of the alternatives to oil is bio-mass. That means farming. It will cause even more food shortage because for many 3rd world farmers it's finacially better to grow bio-mass than ordinary food. They don't even have choice because economy is the strongest army on the planet. Water... coming to that now. Over here for  a while bio mass was hyped. Just as soy bean products (personally I like the stuff) and then someone came to the conclusion soy beans require a lot of water. It's one of the most water ineffecient farming techniques. Add to little info bits from .gov to that. You know a car takes 5000 gallons water to produce. Surely we have to protect the water. And farmers need to farm for food.
We are just pushed into more taxes.
Over simplified I see this:
Oil is discovered. Oil industry and products surge. A good time for all. Greed kicks in ans some start getting rich. Very rich.
The next level.
The world is addicted to oil. We are told it's harmful and should lessen consumption. But economy is linked to consumption of oil so there isn't really  a choice. (just as the bio-mass farmer) Eco-tax is invented to lower consumption of oil. Of course not to line the pockets of the already rich....
The next level.
Oil + tax has become so expensive that alternatives are seached for. Forests are destroyed for farming. Somehow the loss of trees must be compensated by more taxes. The farming of oil alternatives cause food/water shortage.
Yes you guessed it.... water needs to be taxed.

In the meanwhile we are 'educated' that eating meat is cruel. That 1 kg meat takes 4 kg grain. Lifestock also has the nasty habit that they drink. Nice as we are we start using more soy products. Pity that soy uses a lot of water.
Also it doesn't grow here so transport is needed. Bad bad baaaad. Some dorks even suggest we should only eat local food. And only local food that grows without greenhouses.

The result? On everything there will be (more) eco-tax.
So .gov isn't nature friendly to protect a fish, a hamster or a tree. No they are just firming their grip on all resources.

[Molly]

Strange Martial Law via Food Control: HR 2749

HR 2749 would give FDA the power to order a quarantine of a geographic area, including "prohibiting or restricting the movement of food or of any vehicle being used or that has been used to transport or hold such food within the geographic area."  

[This - "that has been used to transport or hold such food" - would mean all cars that have ever brought groceries home or any pickup someone has eaten take-out in, so this means ALL TRANSPORTATION can be shut down under this.  This is using food as a cover for martial law.]  

Under this provision, farmers markets and local food sources could be shut down, even if they are not the source of the contamination.  The agency can halt all movement of all food in a geographic area.  

[This is also a means of total control over the population under the cover of food, and at any time.]



The first Patriot Act was passed using fear of terrorism. This Patriot Act is more coy, hiding under a cloak of "food safety" and but also using fear – fear of food contamination.  Evidently, Americans are supposed to be so frightened by the slightest possibility of a terrorist or of E-coli, they would trade away all their precious, hard fought freedoms for the promise of safety.  Or at least, that is what the trade-off has become.  "Terrorism" and "contamination" are great bugaboos used to open doors to an end to the US Constitution.  That is exactly what we are left with after those who wrote HR 2749 are done.  

* HR 2749 would empower FDA to regulate how crops are raised and harvested.  It puts the federal government right on the farm, dictating to our farmers.



We wanted good food.  We never wanted to trap our farmers into an industrial prison on their own land, afraid moment to moment of not fulfilling some monstrous set of instructions that never end – rules the farmers loathe, rules that have not only nothing to do with real farming but which are antithetical to it.  Why have we ended up with HR 2749, an intense corporate nightmare around the most central and necessary aspects of a free country and of free human beings – farming and food?

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/strange-martial-law-via-food-control-hr-2749/

THIS BILL HAS PASSED THE HOUSE--RAMMED THROUGH RIGHT BEFORE RECESS. :sigh:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The Lord showed myself and some friends that this was coming, 20 years ago. A piece of land big enough for a garden and the purchase of seeds (if you buy heirloom seeds that they haven't genetically altered) is going to be the biggest asset, next to a water source. They have started a world seed bank in Sweden or Norway I think it is, in an underground facility. While only the Lord can be looked to for help, He has been giving a lot of people a head's up for decades. Blessings....

[WhiteWings]

Seed is being patented. It doesn't require much thought to figure out it will make food more expensive.

Editted the underlined part.