Muslims taking over your town lately?

[WhiteWings]

Radical Islam?   Does that mean there is a non radical islam and what is the difference?

The problem is that people are sheep and the non radical ones are easily turned to be radical.

That's certainly true. Many such items in our news of Imans preaching:
"Throw gays form a high rise building head down."
"Jews are lower than pigs."
"Murder on Christian dogs is no murder because they are hated by aloha..."
"Western woman are no women but whores"

Then you get things like:
Picture not to be viewed by sensitive people http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/files/users/nasser/victim_of_muslim_gang_rape_in_sweden.jpg
It's of a woman that was victim or a muslim gan rape. (no nude in the picture)
Similar story of a Belgian 13 year old who was raped many times in a year by three muslim boys of 15, 16 and years old. Reason: she was no moslima.
Several public swimming pools here are closed because girls in the pool where constantly 'touched'

All basicly because according to some of them every non muslim is inhuman and needs to be either converted to islam or die.

[Tony N]

Then you get things like:
Picture not to be viewed by sensitive people http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/files/users/nasser/victim_of_muslim_gang_rape_in_sweden.jpg
It's of a woman that was victim or a muslim gan rape. (no nude in the picture)

Looks like Sweeden needs some kind of western justice like we practiced in our wild west days. Yep, nice and swift.

[jabcat]

Armonk, N.Y.--When they light the Christmas tree in Armonk on Sunday, there will be a Jewish menorah alongside, as usual.  There also will be something new this year--an Islamic crescent and star.  And if there are any Buddhists or Hindus who want to see their symbols, the village of Armonk is welcoming applications.--- St. Louis Post Dispatch

My first reaction was wrt the crescent and star, which I think does make a point for thought.  Then I got to thinking...does any of this really mean anything anyway, except perhaps the Jewish menorah?  How Christian is the "Christmas tree"?

We are to no longer know Him after the flesh, but the Spirit.  God's blessing, James.

[WhiteWings]

The Chrismas tree is of pagan origen (sun being reborn, days getting longer) But now its linked to Christianity.

If the muslims there are only a little like they are here they just are trying to irritate Christians.

We are to no longer know Him after the flesh, but the Spirit.

And you do that by polluting a Christian custom with symbols of a false god?

[Paul Hazelwood]

I'm celebrating "X-MEN"  this year.

[jabcat]

The Chrismas tree is of pagan origen (sun being reborn, days getting longer) But now its linked to Christianity.

If the muslims there are only a little like they are here they just are trying to irritate Christians.

We are to no longer know Him after the flesh, but the Spirit.

And you do that by polluting a Christian custom with symbols of a false god?

What I'm saying is, the Muslim issue is one thing.  Secondly though, I doubt the Christmas Tree is much of a Christian symbol to begin with...further, that it's not about symbols anyway, but about knowing Him personally...in spirit.

[WhiteWings]

The Chrismas tree is of pagan origen (sun being reborn, days getting longer) But now its linked to Christianity.

If the muslims there are only a little like they are here they just are trying to irritate Christians.

We are to no longer know Him after the flesh, but the Spirit.

And you do that by polluting a Christian custom with symbols of a false god?

What I'm saying is, the Muslim issue is one thing. 

Secondly though, I doubt the Christmas Tree is much of a Christian symbol to begin with...

As I wrote it's of pagan origen. But for many it has become a symbol of Christman. The fact that for most Christmas mean Santa Claus is another story

further, that it's not about symbols anyway, but about knowing Him personally...in spirit.

I can agree with that.
Altough Christ isn't born on 25 December for many Christians Christmas is the birthday of Christ.
It's about respect. Same with 'in spirit'. That's also (partly) respect.
Likely it's different for many but in my (current) view spiritual and symbolic things very often go hand in hand.
And when the symbolic thing mocked adding pagan muslim symbols to it then that can be seen as an attack on the spiritual.

[jabcat]

Agreed.  As I mentioned, maybe the menorah is the most "spiritual" symbol of the ones listed, as God told the Jews to place that in the temple.  However, since temple worship is destroyed and replaced by the new covenant, is the menorah even currently significant then? :dontknow:  Maybe s/w like the "wailing wall"...are they really being "heard"/prayers recognized, or are they literally just "talking to the wall"?

[WhiteWings]

Agreed.  As I mentioned, maybe the menorah is the most "spiritual" symbol of the ones listed, as God told the Jews to place that in the temple.  However, since temple worship is destroyed and replaced by the new covenant, is the menorah even currently significant then? :dontknow:

That beyond my level.
So Jabcat; no comment.
I'm aware that's an unusual comment from me  :laughing7:

Maybe s/w like the "wailing wall"...are they really being "heard"/prayers recognized, or are they literally just "talking to the wall"?

Personally I think the prayers are heard.
They may do the wrong thing but personally I think God looks in their heart and still is happy they are worshipping  Him with genuine faith.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Personally I think the prayers are heard.
They may do the wrong thing but personally I think God looks in their heart and still is happy they are worshipping  him with genuine faith.

Ro 8:26 Now, similarly, the spirit also is aiding our infirmity, for what we should be praying for, to accord with what must be, we are not aware, but the spirit itself is pleading for the sake of us with inarticulate groanings.


I believe that religion has defined to much of a separation between people,  we group people or we group ourselves.   But I think prayer has been taught as this image of physical rituals and of course the many variations on how to pray properly.

If we are not aware of what we should truly pray for, it stands to reason that we aren't going to help that matter by having to follow a specific routine.  Standing up, down, bowed, on our head, it's irrevalent.

I think an Atheist (as we or they group one another) has a good thought for someone, that is prayer as much as the most devout longwinded faithful Christian could ever utter.

[Andromeda_Organa]

Radical Islam?   Does that mean there is a non radical islam and what is the difference?

The problem is that people are sheep and the non radical ones are easily turned to be radical.

That's certainly true. Many such items in our news of Imans preaching:
"Throw gays form a high rise building head down."
"Jews are lower than pigs."
"Murder on Christian dogs is no murder because they are hated by aloha..."
"Western woman are no women but whores"

Then you get things like:
Picture not to be viewed by sensitive people http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/files/users/nasser/victim_of_muslim_gang_rape_in_sweden.jpg
It's of a woman that was victim or a muslim gan rape. (no nude in the picture)
Similar story of a Belgian 13 year old who was raped many times in a year by three muslim boys of 15, 16 and years old. Reason: she was no moslima.
Several public swimming pools here are closed because girls in the pool where constantly 'touched'

All basicly because according to some of them every non muslim is inhuman and needs to be either converted to islam or die.

I would die before I gave up my religion. Christianity is the only religion that gives women a chance of salvation- the Koran says that most people in Hell are women- Buddhism teaches that women should stay in the house and they have no souls, HInduism teaches that a woman can't reach nirvana- she has to be reincarnated as a man.

[jabcat]

Please consider this as not a call to arms or fear, but a call to be informed, pray, and know what we're talking about when we SPEAK UP.    

The narrator is apparently an atheist, so has a bit of that view about the scriptures.  However, I found his information about the Quaran and the Muslim ideology to be enlightening and something that should be known.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdMlT3E7cg

YHWH, the Father of our Savior Yashua, bless.

[jabcat]

He basically says the message of the Quaran progressed over the years as it was written;  the earlier verses on peace were trumped by the ones stating Islam should take over the world, including with violence and deceit.  Lying about one's motives to the "infidel" is acceptable while promoting the Islam agenda.

The sharia law section of the video;  not good.  The institution of sharia law is the expected and only acceptable outcome of Muslim domination.

IMO, we shouldn't be afraid, God is in control.  But we should be informed, prayerful, and take a stand for the truth.   :2c:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: That's what I've been saying for some time now, Jabcat..... :thumbsup: There have to be watchmen on the walls to sound an alarm.

The call is for PRAYER, to ward off the enemy. Aside from the horrific abuses of Islam to it's own people, this is a powerful demonic stronghold built up by hundreds of years and millions of idolatrous prayers, that needs to be pulled down. Blessings...

[jabcat]

Good points.  Amen.  I was just thinking about the demonic aspect earlier tonight.  We battle not against flesh and blood...

[Molly]

Did you all hear about the south park death threats followed by the draw muhammad contest?

South park apparently 'showed' muhammad in their show [except he was either behind a censored sign or in a teddy bear suit so you never really got to see him], and the cartoonists received death threats.  So they pulled the show.  Then another female cartoonist from washington state declared may 10, 2010 as draw muhammad day because she was shocked by their attempt to stifle free speech.  But she pulled out after she was put on a death list and received death threats.

Then the internet picked up the ball, drawing thousands of pictures of muhammad and distributing them all over the internet.  Then Pakistan banned the internet in their country. :laughing7:

I think the muslims have crossed a line and that the young people are now pushing back.

[Quaesitor]

The thing is they are serious in their threats and prison isn't enough to deter them from commiting murder since ,for the most radicals, even death isn't enough to stop them.

There's a very few people willing to die for freedom of speech.
Sure if everyone went with one voice they wouldn't be able to kill everyone but who's going first? :laughing7:

[Nathan]

Card's post really jumped out at me in all of this chaos and confusion being infused by the muslim activity.  Burning the Koran for me is being distracted from the promise of God within us that he will be with us to the ends of the earth.  Should we be concerned about our surroundings, the most effective weapon we have is not our actions or our words, it's in our prayers. 

Only the power of God can pierce the heavy armor men have dressed themselves in as they've spent lifetimes in preparation for their battle.  How many times did we see the Israelites overcome their enemies by doing simple, nonmilitary-istic things . . .such as positioning their shields as God's light blinded their enemy and began killing one another instead of the Israelites.

How many times did they win battles without even using weapons?  The weapons of our warfare are truly mighty through prayer, but it's not prayer, then action, it's prayer and faith.  And also bear in mind what those prayers were aimed at.  To the taking down of strongholds of IMAGINATIONS in high places . . .we're talking about the mind of men here . . .you can't change a man's mind by your own volition.  But we can pray to the Father and He can penetrait their hard hearts . . .but it's all about prayer.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Exactly....I've posted several videos that came my way by way of Pakistani ministers I'm friends with on FB. Many of them were about the Lord appearing to them either in dreams or open eye visions and their instantaneous de-conversion from Islam when Truth appeared.

I have always said that the best "Christians" many times were the best "heathens", be it New Age converts or Muslim converts, because they were SEARCHING to begin with, dedicated to finding. And He, looking upon the heart, let them find Him. My  :2c: Blessings....

[Molly]

...but it's all about prayer.

Yes, I keep forgetting that--plus I don't really feel like I know what to pray for in situations like these.

But to stand and to stand against implies action.


13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

--Eph 6

[Nathan]

There comes a time in our lives where we pass from warring to planting.  The wisdom of the Father tames our aggressiveness in that through the process of our life in him, we find the most effective way to have his will manifest, is to let him do the manifesting and all we're doing is the letting.

The nature of Jesus is not a warring nature.  There are some great examples especially in the New Testament on how to deal with opposing beliefs.  And the best way Paul dealt with it was, he simply continued to exercise in the gifting he was giving of evangelism.  He'd be chased, caught and beaten, even left for dead, but not once do you read where he encouraged his followers to burn their enemy's Bibles.  Standing firm is not advancing on the enemy, it's simply being unshaken by all of their chaotic rhetoric.

It's not stubbornness, it's inward assurance of what truth really is.  A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument.  Even Jesus paid no heed to men's minds because he knew the source of the mind's power and logic is always short of righteousness.

Don't know how to pray?  Pray that there will be a release of God's light, love and life into these individuals who've fallen victim to their own minds.  Pray they experience freedom of heaven.  Pray they have a personal encounter with the Father's presence.  It only takes one visitation to transform a person forever.

[Molly]

Don't know how to pray?  Pray that there will be a release of God's light, love and life into these individuals who've fallen victim to their own minds.  Pray they experience freedom of heaven.  Pray they have a personal encounter with the Father's presence.  It only takes one visitation to transform a person forever.

Thanks for that.  I need more guidance in prayer.  Someone should start a thread.

The nature of Jesus is not a warring nature.

I'm not sure I would put it that way because I believe we are in a period [until the millenium, at least] of spiritual warfare which will just get heavier as we approach the end of the age.

Also, to withstand means to stand against.  That means taking a stand against.  And to stand means to hold your ground because we are standing on Christ as a foundation--we have something firm--Christ-- under our feet.

Jesus stood up to the Pharisees and Priests, he stood against them, and he held his ground.  He called them blind guides and vipers.  He told them over and over again how they were wrong and what they needed to do to change.

This is action.  It's not passivity.

..that ye may be able to withstand in the day of evil...[Eph 6]

G436
ἀνθίστημι
anthistēmi
anth-is'-tay-mee
From G473 and G2476; to stand against, that is, oppose: - resist, withstand.

[Nathan]

True, but Jesus did what he did and said what he said as an example for people to follow "and" mature in.  Weapons into plowshares is a kingdom principle of spiritual maturity.  Jesus "is" rest.  He is the Sabbath, he is the Sabbath of Sabbaths in that he is the Jubilee.  Even God told Moses to be still and "watch" as God fought the battles.

And the standing firm again, is not approaching the aggressors, it's simply not moving when they attempt to move you.  It wasn't the general public Jesus had his issues with, it was with the religious minds that kept trying to kill him.  He didn't continue to stir up the synogogues, he took his ministry to the streets and back pastures and such.  It was the religious that kept aggressively dogging him, not the other way around.

That's all I'm trying to say here.

[Molly]

True, but Jesus did what he did and said what he said as an example for people to follow "and" mature in.  Weapons into plowshares is a kingdom principle of spiritual maturity.  Jesus "is" rest.  He is the Sabbath, he is the Sabbath of Sabbaths in that he is the Jubilee.  Even God told Moses to be still and "watch" as God fought the battles.

And the standing firm again, is not approaching the aggressors, it's simply not moving when they attempt to move you.  It wasn't the general public Jesus had his issues with, it was with the religious minds that kept trying to kill him.  He didn't continue to stir up the synogogues, he took his ministry to the streets and back pastures and such.  It was the religious that kept aggressively dogging him, not the other way around.

That's all I'm trying to say here.

I agree with you about the 'rest' part--but, but, but, lol--what if it's not the Sabbath day, yet?

We were talking about Bonhoeffer on the other thread.  He was a German minister who had the chance to escape Nazi Germany, but he chose to return and stand against the Nazi's.  He ended up in a Nazi prison, and was sentenced to death just before the war ended.

Do you think he shouldn't have taken that position?

I think he realized what Jesus' life on this earth was all about and what was meant by 'take up your cross and follow me.'

[Nathan]

One of the many wonderful things I've come to understand in this great and liberating perspective of the Father's love for those he created to live in and love on is . . . to let the individuals embrace the Father on their own level.  To "allow" them to experience the intimacy of God for themselves without condemning them for not seeing things the way I see them.

So if people feel closer to the Father by waging warfare against the oposing forces around them, I say Father lead on!  There was a comment about having "balance" in things.  I whole-heartedly agree with that.  Having opposites is actually what creates balance.  Look at your own body.  I'm assuming everyone who writes on this forum has a right and left hand.  Can you imagine how fun it would be to try to share your thoughts on a keyboard by using two right hands?

Spiritually, those of us who claim to be in the light often find ourselves condemning others for being in the dark, yet it is the Father that brought both into existance for his purpose. 

Having said all of that, I'd like to also add that just as there comes a time when engaging in a battle is the only option because that's where we are spiritually for that time, so it is when it comes time to lay down those weapons of warfare.

There "is" a reflection in the natural of how the spiritual operates and this is no different.  You don't see the elderly out there on the front lines engaging in the heavy artillery do you?  That's for the younger generations.  And it's just the nature of life for one to lay down their rifle and pick up a rake or a hoe.  Strangely enough, many of our planting tools are formed out of the same material as many of our weapons were made of.  Steel, iron, various metals . . .yet as we mature, as we get older, we're not so quick to run for the gun, we find it's much more rewarding to plant than to kill.

So when we hear the battle cries to "put on your armor", my mindset now is much different than it was years ago.  The only caution I have for those still young in vigor and valor is that we need to be careful who we're using our weapons against.  Often times when debates get heated, the mentality is to shoot to kill and apologize later.

The more mature we become, the greater our appreciation is for the Father as we're growing and becoming more and more like our Father who "is" love in it's fulness.