Muslims taking over your town lately?

[Paul Hazelwood]

Have you ever read the Koran?  Or any parts of it? 

Have you ever read the Bible where God kills people and gives his children the right to Judge others?

Round up people like cattle?  I never said that

Oh, yeah. Deportation of ALL muslims,  thats the phrase that makes it different.  My bad.

And, I don't intend to be forced to wear a bhurka

And of course deporting everyone that has a religious belief different than you is embracing liberty and justice for all.

Yeah........

[Paul Hazelwood]

None of that is an excuse to round up and deport muslims in the United States for the sole reason of their religious beliefs.

Because the very criteria that would allow that, could make you next.  

This is Judeo/Christian values?   Then I renounce them.

Not deport citizens.  It's too late to do that.  But deport all non citizens, and not just muslims.  All.

And close our borders.

You stated your vote for Tony, he wants to deport all muslims and he doesn't care if they are citizens or not. 

And as many muslims that are already here legally,  keeping them here contradicts your whole argument for not wanting them here.

[Molly]

Have you ever read the Bible where God kills people and gives his children the right to Judge others?

Let's be clear.  No where does the New Testament give Christians the right to kill anyone, much less order them to do it, much less promise them rewards if they do it.

Whether Christians actually follow the royal commandments of their Saviour is another question.

You stated your vote for Tony, he wants to deport all muslims and he doesn't care if they are citizens or not. 

And as many muslims that are already here legally,  keeping them here contradicts your whole argument for not wanting them here.

Tony didn't say that, either.   If they are citizens, they have taken an oath to our Constitution, which is in direct contradiction to their religion, so I'm not really sure how that would work.

Nevertheless, we have a big problem in that our liberty is hanging by a thread, so we need to restore our liberty and deport illegal aliens and close our borders.

Or, we could leak like a sieve and shut down all our liberties--how's that working for you?

[Paul Hazelwood]

Let's be clear.  No where does the New Testament give Christians the right to kill anyone, much less order them to do it, much less promise them rewards if they do it.

Lets be clear, that is your intepretation and if you actually studied islam like you imply, you would realize the terrorists are intepreting the koran differently than most muslims that live in the united states do.  And I'm not arguing about theocratic countries.  And  saying the "new testament"????   The whole bible could be interperted to give Christians that right and it has.

Tony didn't say that, either. 

ok, Tony,  Clarify,  because I get the impression your willing to see all Muslims deported citizen or not.

Nevertheless, we have a big problem in that our liberty is hanging by a thread, so we need to restore our liberty and deport illegal aliens and close our borders.

Not against closing the borders to illegals, never once said I wasn't.  Deporting all illegals that are here now is fiscally impossible and will do more harm than good trying.

Or, we could leak like a sieve and shut down all our liberties--how's that working for you?

Whats working is the freedom in this country despite the problems.  Whats not working is the hidden hope that certain people are infringed upon because they believe differently before they do anything or are known to be planning anything criminal.

[Tony N]

There are muslims in this country now, and they live as americans, practice their faith that is not the interpretation of the koran to kill people and "assimilate" just fine.  The majority of them do that now.

It is the fear that they are just waiting for the call to rise up against everyone.  You will never make this country better by living in that fear.  How terribly wrong.

The above by Paul is very naive.

The CIA did a study on Muslims.

Frightening Statistics


THIS IS AN EXCELLENT AND SHORT SYNOPSIS OF ISLAM AND HOW IT WORKS.


Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.
The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to  agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the  reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country  they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to  anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped  for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and  disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street  gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards)  food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will  increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves --  along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them  to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of  Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the  entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness  as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings).
Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and  threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations,  sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and  ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of  Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then  start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me  against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family  against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the  tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris,
'The Haj'

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the  Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity.
Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they  exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat..
www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm
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[Gabe Grinstead]

So Gabe, explain what you do to stand up to the muslims you are talking about.  Leave a forum post?

Nope, it looks like you are more qualified to do only that with your 1628 posts.  Most of which appear to be argueing with others.

[Paul Hazelwood]

So Gabe, explain what you do to stand up to the muslims you are talking about.  Leave a forum post?

Nope, it looks like you are more qualified to do only that with your 1628 posts.  Most of which appear to be argueing with others.

So what do you do then?

[Gabe Grinstead]

So Gabe, explain what you do to stand up to the muslims you are talking about.  Leave a forum post?

Nope, it looks like you are more qualified to do only that with your 1628 posts.  Most of which appear to be argueing with others.

So what do you do then?

I work on computers. You?

[Paul Hazelwood]

So Gabe, explain what you do to stand up to the muslims you are talking about.  Leave a forum post?

Nope, it looks like you are more qualified to do only that with your 1628 posts.  Most of which appear to be argueing with others.

So what do you do then?

I work on computers. You?

Read posts that dodge the issue.

[Gabe Grinstead]

So Gabe, explain what you do to stand up to the muslims you are talking about.  Leave a forum post?

Nope, it looks like you are more qualified to do only that with your 1628 posts.  Most of which appear to be argueing with others.

So what do you do then?

I work on computers. You?

Read posts that dodge the issue.

You get paid for that?

[Paul Hazelwood]

The above by Paul is very naive.

The CIA did a study on Muslims.

Frightening Statistics

No,  your spending more time trying to backpedal on stating what you really want to happen.  The focus is all wrong.  The focus is trying to prevent muslims from being here when it should be to keep religious entitlements from being supported by the government.

Now, whats the problem mainly?   The seed has already been planted by Christians,  trying to get prayer in school, trying to remove evolutionary theory from science class and teach creation,  illegalizing abortion based upon issues of morality rather than proving the basis of life being the more important issue to determine the law over it.


Right now the foot hold muslims could get  has to do with the legal system and our government favoring issues on the basis of religious morality rather than reason.

We have state funded christian prison ministries and since that is there we have to allow a state funded muslim one too.    Of course thats one of the compromises Christians "live" with so that they can be there, funded by government dollars.

You want to close a border, there is good one too .  If the Christians are allowed to take their religious grievances before the courts in this country that have nothing to do with "personal" religious freedom, then you cannot tell muslims they cannot.

Yes, indeed, shut that border down.

The CIA figure all that in too?

[Paul Hazelwood]

So Gabe, explain what you do to stand up to the muslims you are talking about.  Leave a forum post?

Nope, it looks like you are more qualified to do only that with your 1628 posts.  Most of which appear to be argueing with others.

So what do you do then?

I work on computers. You?

Read posts that dodge the issue.

You get paid for that?

I'm working on that part of it.    :laughing7:

[Paul Hazelwood]

There also has been an unintended consequense too.   You get a sympathetic liberal political base in this country that has beenf ueled by the fundamental christians as well.   Years and years of preaching that mulsims are evil and they are all going to hell. 

While some of the comments in this thread trying to show that indeed the fundamentalists are right about muslims, what happens is that when the legal and political system has to fight the christians over gay marriage,  fight them over excersizing their wish to be the dominant religious factor in the United States thay have caused a sympathetic root to be taken for the muslim cause.

So when we want to factor in all the dangers,  you had better have all the facts and all the perspectives before you start calling someone niave and think your argument is sound.

The danger is that the stage is set for the muslim religious cause to be sympathized over. It isn't the average hard working american that doesn't see his muslim neighbor as a threat that is causing that.  It is Christians showing their contempt over anyone who doesn't believe and do the things thay do that has allowed that root to be taken.

So when you prop up Christian values and something you want in this country, be careful what your actually supporting. 

[Molly]

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.




At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them  to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law.The ultimate goal of  Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the  entire world.

There you go.  It is a totalitarian system of governing people masquerading as a religion.  And, It is the complete opposite of our system.

Unfortunately, Americans have become very stupid and somehow think no matter what they do, including wiping out their Bill of Rights, they will always have freedom.

What made Americans this stupid and blind?  I really don't know for sure, maybe Tony has some ideas.  But, I suspect it is because they no longer know Jesus.  We are in a Christian dark ages right now, thanks to the diluting and secularization of our culture.  And thanks to the systematic destruction of our educational system.

We are hanging by a thread.  That's my opinion.  Liberty cannot be maintained by a stupid, indulgent, and immoral people.

Great article, Tony.  I'm still voting for you.

[Tony N]

Paul, the report I posted about how Muslims take over neighborhoods then towns then cities then states then countries was not from a Christian. It was from the CIA.

If a person came into our country with a new disease that, if left unchecked, would wipe out our country, do you think we should allow this person in anyway so we don't hurt his feelings, even if he is Muslim?

It's a matter of national security. It is not a matter of Christians against Islam. It is about the American way of life where people of all religions can enjoy freedom against the Islamic way of life which only allows enforces one religion with no freedom.

[Paul Hazelwood]

We are hanging by a thread.  That's my opinion.  Liberty cannot be maintained by a stupid, indulgent, and immoral people.

Great article, Tony.  I'm still voting for you.

Your whole point of view is made moot if its ok for you to want mulsims here legally.

[Molly]

We are hanging by a thread.  That's my opinion.  Liberty cannot be maintained by a stupid, indulgent, and immoral people.

Great article, Tony.  I'm still voting for you.

Your whole point of view is made moot if its ok for you to want mulsims here legally.

I want it to stop.  Do you understand that?  Stop with the open borders.  Deport all illegals.  Give us back our Bill of Rights.

The so called 911 muslims were here on visas.  They were not citizens. They were guests.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Paul, the report I posted about how Muslims take over neighborhoods then towns then cities then states then countries was not from a Christian. It was from the CIA.

If a person came into our country with a new disease that, if left unchecked, would wipe out our country, do you think we should allow this person in anyway so we don't hurt his feelings, even if he is Muslim?

It's a matter of national security. It is not a matter of Christians against Islam. It is about the American way of life where people of all religions can enjoy freedom against the Islamic way of life which only allows one religion with no freedom.

So, state for the record and for Molly.......

Do you want to round up and deport muslims in the United States no matter what their legal citizenship is?

[Paul Hazelwood]

We are hanging by a thread.  That's my opinion.  Liberty cannot be maintained by a stupid, indulgent, and immoral people.

Great article, Tony.  I'm still voting for you.

Your whole point of view is made moot if its ok for you to want mulsims here legally.

I want it to stop.  Do you understand that?  Stop with the open borders.  Deport all illegals.  Give us back our Bill of Rights.

The so called 911 muslims were here on visas.  They were not citizens. They were guests.

If your concenred about what the muslims believe in and you believe that muslims being in this country is a threat,  then there are enough legal muslims that you will not deport that your argument to deport muslims to stop anything is moot.

[Molly]

We are hanging by a thread.  That's my opinion.  Liberty cannot be maintained by a stupid, indulgent, and immoral people.

Great article, Tony.  I'm still voting for you.

Your whole point of view is made moot if its ok for you to want mulsims here legally.

I want it to stop.  Do you understand that?  Stop with the open borders.  Deport all illegals.  Give us back our Bill of Rights.

The so called 911 muslims were here on visas.  They were not citizens. They were guests.

If your concenred about what the muslims believe in and you believe that muslims being in this country is a threat,  then there are enough legal muslims that you will not deport that your argument to deport muslims to stop anything is moot.

It's not moot.  Why don't you take a look at what has happened in Europe where they have allowed huge numbers of muslims to enter their countries unfettered?  They are in a crisis right now which they may not recover from with any sort of freedom resembling ours.  Good grief.  They are even fighting over whether to allow sharia law in their courts.  As IF that should even be a question.

Meanwhile, the same thing is going on here because we are supposedly so 'afraid' of a group that we allow to enter our borders freely.

Liberty is hanging by a thread. Wake up.

[Tony N]

Paul, the report I posted about how Muslims take over neighborhoods then towns then cities then states then countries was not from a Christian. It was from the CIA.

If a person came into our country with a new disease that, if left unchecked, would wipe out our country, do you think we should allow this person in anyway so we don't hurt his feelings, even if he is Muslim?

It's a matter of national security. It is not a matter of Christians against Islam. It is about the American way of life where people of all religions can enjoy freedom against the Islamic way of life which only allows one religion with no freedom.

So, state for the record and for Molly.......

Do you want to round up and deport muslims in the United States no matter what their legal citizenship is?

Would you do that with a cancer in your body? Or would you feel sorry for the cancer and let it run its course?

Do you want to leave them here, keep importing them, let them take over the United States and then let them kill off all who do not suscribe to their cult?

[Taffy]

Hi Guys, :icon_flower:



Please dont think im trying to kill the art of conversation, But where is this thread leading ?

Is this( Tent) Really the Place to discuss our political Veiws?

Taffy

[Paul Hazelwood]

Paul, the report I posted about how Muslims take over neighborhoods then towns then cities then states then countries was not from a Christian. It was from the CIA.

If a person came into our country with a new disease that, if left unchecked, would wipe out our country, do you think we should allow this person in anyway so we don't hurt his feelings, even if he is Muslim?

It's a matter of national security. It is not a matter of Christians against Islam. It is about the American way of life where people of all religions can enjoy freedom against the Islamic way of life which only allows one religion with no freedom.

So, state for the record and for Molly.......

Do you want to round up and deport muslims in the United States no matter what their legal citizenship is?

Would you do that with a cancer in your body? Or would you feel sorry for the cancer and let it run its course?

Do you want to leave them here, keep importing them, let them take over the United States and then let them kill off all who do not suscribe to their cult?

Your convoluting what I have said to still try to minimize what you want to do.  

In another thread I am for closing the borders to do the best we can to minimize the flow of illegals,  I am not for closing the borders to immigrants if they go through the normal process to get into this country.


You Tony,  want to deport muslims already here and have legal citizenship and you do not care how they have lived their lives whether they have broken laws and you want to lecture people on FREEDOM.

That ideology is the cancer,  but I won't deport you, because the very principals that allow you the freedom to be here and write this is the very freedoms your point of view will destroy.


Molly, this issue doesn't hinge on whether you and I or tony agree, but do you still think Tony doesn't want to round them all up like cattle no matter what their legal status is?

He is having a hard time coming out and saying it directly but tries to disguise it in reason with questions that only prove thats what he wants to do.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Hi Guys, :icon_flower:



Please dont think im trying to kill the art of conversation, But where is this thread leading ?

Is this( Tent) Really the Place to discuss our political Veiws?

Taffy

I will go on to other issues,  as I know it is getting heated.     

[Tony N]

Hi Guys, :icon_flower:
Please dont think im trying to kill the art of conversation, But where is this thread leading ?
Is this( Tent) Really the Place to discuss our political Veiws?
Taffy

Dear Taffy,
This is the Members Lounge where we can talk about anything.
It doesn't really matter where a conversation is heading in this board. We just like to kick around some ideas. That's all. It's just a friendly way of fellowshipping over other issues.

Tony