Muslims taking over your town lately?

[WhiteWings]

You mean the same sharia law

You mean the same sharia law that the "moderate" imam Rauf (Ground Zero area) believes in?[/quote]There is already such a court in the UK (ask Taffy)

that the "moderate" imam Rauf (Ground Zero area) believes in?

Nothing moderate about that man. He speaks with a double toungue.
In English he's moderate. But in his speeches during his middle east visit he practically declares war to the west.

[Molly]

French senate approves burqa ban
September 14, 2010|By the CNN Wire Staff

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-14/world/france.burqa.ban_1_burqa-overt-religious-symbols-ban-last-year?_s=PM:WORLD


On the other hand, I am really against this type of law.  What people wear, as long as it's reasonably decent, is none of the government's business.  So, I wonder how this will play out...

[Molly]

2000 years history of Christianity--wiped out overnight [by the bolsheviks]...


Cathedral of Archangel Michael (Moscow Kremlin)
From OrthodoxWiki


Cathedral of Archangel MIchael in the Kremlin of Moscow
The Cathedral of Archangel Michael (Russian: Архангельский собор, or Arkhangelsky sobor) is a cathedral in the Moscow Kremlin. It is the second largest church within the Moscow Kremlin. The cathedral contains the tombs of the rulers of Russia from the fortieth century until Tsar Peter I.

History
The present cathedral situated on the edge of Borovitsky Hill replaced an earlier white stone church that was also dedicated to the Archangel Michael that itself replaced in 1333 a legendary earlier wooden Church of the Archangel Michael.

Grand Prince Basil III of Moscow commissioned the construction of the present cathedral that was built between 1505 and 1508. Architect Alvise Lamberti de Montagnano, known in Russia as Alevizo Novy, an Italian sculptor from Venice, Italy, was selected to supervise the construction. His design combined the traditional Russian form of a structure of five domes and six pillars with Italian Renaissance decorative features. The cathedral with a combination of pilasters with capitals and scallop-shell motifs, cornices, a false arcade, and other decorative details influenced Russia architects in the following years.

In later years, the cathedral under went several changes that altered its appearance. Two chapels were added to the sides of the structure in the latter years of the sixteenth century, and in the eighteenth century the helmet-shaped central dome was replaced by a dome that is onion-shaped.

The frescoes in the interior were done between 1652 and 1666, by a team almost one hundred artists under the direction of the icon painters Simon Ushakov, Stepan Rezanets and Fyodor Zubov. The ceiling of the cathedral is covered by paintings that tell the story of the reign of God from creation to the Last Judgement. The side walls depict the Archangel Michael in his battle with Satan.

THe original iconostasis was burned by Napoleon's troops during his short occupation of Moscow in 1812. The present forty three foot tall iconostasis dates from 1813 and holds icons that were mainly painted between 1679 and 1681. The icon of Archangel Michael in full armor is the oldest in the cathedral and is believed to have been painted in the late fourteenth century.

The cathedral contains forty six tombs of the rulers of the Duchy of Moscow and Russia from the fourteen the century until Peter I moved the capital of Russia to St. Petersburg. Of special note is the burial chamber of Ivan IV, the Terrible, who was the first Tsar of Russia. A total of fifty four burials are in the cathedral.

The cathedral was closed after the October Revolution in 1917 and was opened to the public as a museum in 1955.

[Molly]

-Ground Zero: NY Says No to Rebuilding a Church Destroyed on 9/11 but Yes to the Mosque?
by Dr. D ~ August 17th, 2010

St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church which stood across the street from the World Trade center was reduced to dust on September 11, 2001. For 9 years the NY Port Authority has refused to let them rebuild their church—a church that was actually destroyed in the attack but plans for a new mosque are approved by the city?

It is my view that St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church should be rebuilt. The President talked about private property rights and that the Muslims should be allowed to build on their own property near 'Ground Zero'. Well, what about the property rights of the  St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church? The church had been there since 1922 but their rights are being totally disregarded.

The church that was destroyed in the 9/11 attacks should be rebuilt first before any new project like the Cordoba Mosque is considered. It is obvious to me that the Muslims in this case are receiving better treatment from the city than the church.

http://answersforthefaith.com/2010/08/17/ground-zero-ny-says-no-to-rebuilding-a-church-destroyed-on-911-but-yes-to-the-mosque/

[Nancy]

hi there,
What is the point to all this ranting that muslims want to overtake us? If they do they do, there is nothing we can do apart from start holy wars!  If it is God's will that these things happen then they will happen. We are all human beings whom God loves not matter how cranky.

Godbless
Nancy

[micah7:9]

hi there,
What is the point to all this ranting that muslims want to overtake us? If they do they do, there is nothing we can do apart from start holy wars!  If it is God's will that these things happen then they will happen. We are all human beings whom God loves not matter how cranky.

Godbless
Nancy

AMEN!  :thumbsup: :grin:

[Molly]

If they do they do, there is nothing we can do apart from start holy wars!

Given a choice between 'holy wars,' as you say, and controlling our immigration policy, I think what we can do is obvious.

But, right now, our immigration policy, including wide open borders, is being controlled by people who do not have our best interests at heart IMO.

Same goes for what our children are being taught in the public schools.

What can we do?  Vote in November, for one.  Other things we can do--educate ourselves, pay attention, get involved.  Put pressure on our elected officials.  Support candidates who do what they are elected to do.

PS did you know they have tacked an amnesty bill called the 'dream act' onto a defense bill and they are voting on it today?  Call your senator today and ask him to vote no on the dream act.  Do you even know what the dream act is?  Google it.

[micah7:9]

Php 3:20  For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await--the Lord Jesus Christ--

What is happening in the world(kosmos) should be of no concern to the saints. Pray yes, for His Will and then rest in knowing that it is His Will; and should His will be that "Muslims taking over your town lately?" Then it is well.
Rom. 13:1-6   
Rom 13:1  Let every soul to the higher authorities be subject, for there is no authority except from God, and the authorities existing are appointed by God,

Yes I vote, and I will vote in Nov. and pray that it is the Lord's Will that our present earthly authority come to an end. 

Peace and Love Through Jesus.

[thinktank]

Php 3:20  For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await--the Lord Jesus Christ--

What is happening in the world(kosmos) should be of no concern to the saints. Pray yes, for His Will and then rest in knowing that it is His Will; and should His will be that "Muslims taking over your town lately?" Then it is well.
Rom. 13:1-6   
Rom 13:1  Let every soul to the higher authorities be subject, for there is no authority except from God, and the authorities existing are appointed by God,

Yes I vote, and I will vote in Nov. and pray that it is the Lord's Will that our present earthly authority come to an end. 

Peace and Love Through Jesus.

Forgive me if I read this wrong, but I sense weakness in your post, why do you will that we end our earthly God given authority?

[Nathan]

I think the emphasis there is "earthly" authority.  For me, that's saying carnal power.  Pray that men lay down the power of their "self" so that this God-given authority you speak about can manifest.  Our authority originates in the spiritual realm.  As we allow/submit our "self" to the spirit, then spiritual dominion and authority rules.  That, I believe, is why politics and religion are both train-wrecks.  Both may have been birthed in us by the grace and mercy of God, but we've allowed our adversarial minds to reverse the blessing into this mess we see around us now. 

Voting helps, but prayer carries a lot more clout "as" we vote.  And I also agree with some of the other comments about our citizenship and such.  We can easily be distracted by our natural surroundings to the point where we give away our peace and lose our power by becoming entangled by the situations we're to be actually exercising our dominion over.

[Molly]

I think the emphasis there is "earthly" authority.  For me, that's saying carnal power.

..on earth as it is in heaven.


Acts 22:28
And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.


2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.



15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

--Gen 2


dress and keep=tend, protect, and guard

[micah7:9]

I think the emphasis there is "earthly" authority.  For me, that's saying carnal power.  Pray that men lay down the power of their "self" so that this God-given authority you speak about can manifest.  Our authority originates in the spiritual realm.  As we allow/submit our "self" to the spirit, then spiritual dominion and authority rules.  That, I believe, is why politics and religion are both train-wrecks.  Both may have been birthed in us by the grace and mercy of God, but we've allowed our adversarial minds to reverse the blessing into this mess we see around us now. 

Voting helps, but prayer carries a lot more clout "as" we vote.  And I also agree with some of the other comments about our citizenship and such.  We can easily be distracted by our natural surroundings to the point where we give away our peace and lose our power by becoming entangled by the situations we're to be actually exercising our dominion over.

:thumbsup:

[micah7:9]

I think the emphasis there is "earthly" authority.  For me, that's saying carnal power.

..on earth as it is in heaven.


Acts 22:28
And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.


2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.



15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

--Gen 2


dress and keep=tend, protect, and guard

But the "garden" itself was a fenced and hedged area of protection (H1588 H1598)

[Molly]

But the "garden" itself was a fenced and hedged area of protection (H1588 H1598)

Yes, but do you think Adam's job changed when he went out into the world?

We are always fenced and hedged if our Lord is Jesus Christ.

[micah7:9]

But the "garden" itself was a fenced and hedged area of protection (H1588 H1598)

Yes, but do you think Adam's job changed when he went out into the world?

We are always fenced and hedged if our Lord is Jesus Christ.

Yes

[Nathan]

Not so fast there . . .I know that get's preached a lot but I think it gets abused more than anything.  The story of Job having a hedge around him is a great story, it's straight out of old covenant thinking, but it "is" a great story.  However, it's "through" our wandering that we find direction.  It's "in" our darkness that the illumination of stars manifest.  It's "in" our trials and tribulation that we are to live in good cheer as it's there we come into hte revelation that Christ has overcome these dark and dreary places in our lives.  But to say we'll never experience them because God is protecting us doesn't seem to fit for me.

[Lefein]

God often likes to prove Satan wrong when he puffs up his angelic chest and says;

Satan: He only loves you because you bless him you know?

God: O really?

Satan: Ya really.

God: No way...

Satan: Ya way.

God: That's my name don't wear it out.  :laughing7:

Satan: Ugh!  I should have known you'd lead me there...That's not the point!  He only worships you because you bless him!

God: You're boring me, go prove it then we'll see the truth of the matter.

Satan: I can't prove it unless you give me power to...

God: Have at it, but don't you dare kill him.  I'm really quite fond of Job...

Oh, and Satan!  

Satan: WHAT?!

God: Tuck in your robe, you look like Hell...

Satan: ...

God: Hahahaha  :laughing7:...I'm so clever.

Angel of the Lord: Indeed I AM.   :happygrin:

[Nathan]

God often likes to prove Satan wrong when he puffs up his angelic chest and says;

Satan: He only loves you because you bless him you know?

God: O really?

Satan: Ya really.

God: No way...

Satan: Ya way.

God: That's my name don't wear it out.  :laughing7:

Satan: Ugh!  I should have known you'd lead me there...That's not the point!  He only worships you because you bless him!

God: You're boring me, go prove it then we'll see the truth of the matter.

Satan: I can't prove it unless you give me power to...

God: Have at it, but don't you dare kill him.  I'm really quite fond of Job...

Oh, and Satan!  

Satan: WHAT?!

God: Tuck in your robe, you look like Hell...

Satan: ...

God: Hahahaha  :laughing7:...I'm so clever.

Angel of the Lord: Indeed I AM.   :happygrin:

:umnick: :search: :dunno:

[thinktank]

I thought it was a joyous read myself lefein, a simpler way of understanding why God allowed Satan to destroy Jobs possessions and his familly.

[Molly]

God put limits on satan with Job.  Satan was not allowed to do anything to Job that God didn't allow.  That's a hedge.

Nevertheless, I do believe we have a hedge around us as God's garden living in the world.  Even though our faith may be strengthened by hard times doesn't mean we seek them out.  Nor should we endeavor to ruin our republic, or allow the ruination of it, just to seek out hard times.

When I grow a garden, I know that if I don't work over it constantly, preparing, planting, tending, weeding, watering, fertilizing, it's going to die, even though it's God that makes it grow, not me.  The same is true of our country.

[micah7:9]

God put limits on satan with Job.  Satan was not allowed to do anything to Job that God didn't allow.  That's a hedge.

Nevertheless, I do believe we have a hedge around us as God's garden living in the world.  Even though our faith may be strengthened by hard times doesn't mean we seek them out.  Nor should we endeavor to ruin our republic, or allow the ruination of it, just to seek out hard times.

When I grow a garden, I know that if I don't work over it constantly, preparing, planting, tending, weeding, watering, fertilizing, it's going to die, even though it's God that makes it grow, not me.  The same is true of our country.

Php 3:20  For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await--the Lord Jesus Christ--

[Nancy]

hi,
I live in England so i don't really understand American politics.  I believe that since Britain conquered India and other countries, we then cannot moan when these same peoples come back to 'our' country and colonise it. Maybe our karma is catching up with us. 

I'm sure the Native Americans felt pretty angry when the pilgrim fathers started coming over and taking their land (killing for it more likely).  So you have to look to the past and realise that what you did (as a nation) to others will be done back to you sometime.

If we in England started saying that immigrants cannot come over because they are muslim, we would be decried as rascists.  Actually there is a political party over here called British National Party and they are hated by all.

Godbless
Nancy

[WhiteWings]

If we in England started saying that immigrants cannot come over because they are muslim, we would be decried as rascists.  Actually there is a political party over here called British National Party and they are hated by all.

Except by their voters....
Seems Europe starting to wake up.

[Molly]

If we in England started saying that immigrants cannot come over because they are muslim, we would be decried as rascists.  Actually there is a political party over here called British National Party and they are hated by all.

Except by their voters....
Seems Europe starting to wake up.

:thumbsup:  heh heh

waking up.  Do they really think they can guilt trip us into giving up the land of our fathers forever?

I don't think so.

PS it's my opinion that Jesus has broken the law of karma--as one sows, another reaps, that both can share the joy together.

PPS Their first year here, the Pilgrims met an Indian who spoke English and taught them how to plant corn and fish and hunt game and what to eat, saving their lives, hence the American holiday, Thanksgiving, also known as the feast of tabernacles.

[Molly]

For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await--the Lord Jesus Christ--

The nations were set up by the decree of YHWH in Deuteronomy and they still exist at the end of the book of Revelation, in spite of the fact that the world is his and everything in it--the kingdom of this world will not be left to another, but to the people of God.

I've pretty much decided that the Bible gives us a peek at the ages.  We are not shown much of what happened before Adam, or of what happens in the ages to come, just given glimpses of it.  So we have the history of the ages from Adam to Moses and Moses to Jesus, and history tells us what has happened to this day.  But, we who are born out of due time are looking forward to a city built by God--even so, freedom is my birthright, as is a Christian country,--it will not be taken away from me easily,  and I expect that to remain the same despite the forces who would have it otherwise, because it is promised to me that this nation under God shall not perish from the earth.

24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

--Rev 21



Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.