Homosexuals. Are they accepted?

[rosered]

We are all called in a general sense to spread the Gospel the good news.

Like the prophets of old, only a few where called to warn peoples.
I think it is only a clear calling of the Holy Spirit that sends someone out to warn.

The rest of us are called to share the good news without the (or else God will get you)

  I agree  but we  forget the  warnings Jesus said in Love and   how the temple fell and all those died without being  under His Wing as a mother hen  gatheres he chicks under her wings for protection  ...     

Matt 23 37"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38"Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!...

  Or go out into the  world as a  witness preaching the gospel   of the good news

  shake the dust off your feet   Matt 10 13"If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace.

But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace.


14"Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.

15"Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.

  we see the need for the foot washing here   because the dust  clings to the feet   , teaching and      the image   of corruption    has  the feet made with   clay
  that the rod of Iron strikes        to burst the  shards       
I say this in Truth   and not in  hate or fear but in Love   



  same as TO Day       That is the helping  hand of Love      we are still in the world     and not of it , see   the chaos in the world it also is a witness to what is going on too     
   heaven earth witness http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/1973154/jewish/Heaven-and-Earth-on-the-Witness-Stand.htm

   those   that are with the Lord have the song of Moses and the song of the Lamb     ,  the fulfillment of all  things in Christ include the old and   to be  made new

1COR 3 Worldly Wisdom is Foolishness to God
...21So then let no one boast in men.


For all things belong to you,


22whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come;


all things belong to you, 23and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God.

Weare to be inviting them to the marriage supper of the Lamb   and bride  / body of Christ   to say come all that thirst come to the waters of life freely

  come bride says come 17The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

Hope they hear what the Spirit  and bride are saying    , the opportunity of a lifetime     is waiting   for them ...

[dajomaco]

 We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people.[f] 14 But the unbeliever[g] does not welcome what comes from God's Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated[h] spiritually. 15 The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, yet he himself cannot be evaluated[j] by anyone.

I believe to warn a brother or sister requires an abundance of spiritual maturity.

There is a fine line between warning and accusing.
This is an area where the enemy can cause great divisions among believers. 

[Tom]

I hear ya, bro. That's why I think it can help if you share your own struggle with sin to show that you're not condemning them, just trying to help a fellow brother or sister get with the program and encouraging them.

[rosered]

We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people.[f] 14 But the unbeliever[g] does not welcome what comes from God's Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated[h] spiritually. 15 The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, yet he himself cannot be evaluated[j] by anyone.

I believe to warn a brother or sister requires an abundance of spiritual maturity.

There is a fine line between warning and accusing.
This is an area where the enemy can cause great divisions among believers.

  I so agree with you ..... Spiritual maturity   , full of age
  which I dont have   , But Paul  said  come from those whom  were      young men and than fathers  though the gospel 

Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
Part of Paul  in maturity in the Spiritual growth was to become all things to all men that he could save some ... 
He saved some     by the Word of God     Paul has that to his credit     
fathered though the gospel

     Now that   we know He spoke up as  saying  imitate me  as HE imitated Christ  and   said also     he spoke boldly 

   
I am just   testifying of the truth in the Bible         that is all...   
Accepting sin IS     not a option
Saying you can do whatever you want  STILL   and your accepted   is not fair to them  , and makes you a liar and held accountable   before God
  as teaching men  so  18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same,

shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;

but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

. 20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.


   We Are all    workers and builders   on our own house     first   , that beam  in our own  eye  is for the foundational use  of building upon the Rock    removing the blindness of our own       lack    and mercy  given
  You  do not lust after  the same ways and things you have done before Christ come ,  do we ? :gimmefive:

[sheila]

well..the ministry of the law was supposed to have condemned all [sin in flesh]  without having understood His law as to what sin is

.....they say it is not sin/and justify themselves.  the law has to complete it's purpose to lead to Christ/repentant heart and request for grace through

  your saviour.  Grace is not saying sin is not sin[calling God a liar]...but God's long-suffering and patience and forgiveness of it through

His son.  the man of sin/lawless one can not be revealed to him who is blinded and says 'I have no sin"  seeking to justify ourselves

  is a great barrier to the God of heaven justifying us through His son.

  add to all this the many many false prophets,false doctrines..evil spirit activity to decieve the entire inhabited earth..and men become

faint as to what is coming upon the earth.  God will certainly straighten out this mess..

     

   

   

[rosered]

 :thumbsup:

                              :icon_flower:  Yes!!!   they  sure did  suffer  for their part  and agreement  as predicted ,     as the example  in Matt 24    Jesus   warning   and telling them what to expect

Isaiah 28 14Therefore, hear the word of the LORD, O scoffers,


Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,


15Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we have made a pact.


The overwhelming scourge will not reach us when it passes by,

For we have made falsehood our refuge and we have concealed ourselves with deception.


" 16Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed....     


  AS THE  OVERFLOWING SCOURGE /CHASTENING PASSES THOUGH..........

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: God has had me deal with both child molesters and homosexuals. He prepared me about 16 years ago for the homosexuals by making me watch a movie about one whose partner was run over by a truck.

It was very well done movie, no physical scenes, the partner was run over in the beginning of the movie and therefore it dealt more with the grief of his partner and the lack of his family understanding or comforting him in it. I confess I didn't want to watch it, I considered them "unclean" and I didn't want to get my hands "dirty," to be perfectly honest. After it was over, He told me to let Him show me how they feel. I resisted 3 times, finally agreeing, knowing that if I did I was likely going to be used with them.

What I felt in my heart I would not wish on my worst enemy. If was the most empty, deep loneliness I have ever felt, defies explanation. He said because Satan has corrupted their ability to connect to another human in the creator's way, they are unable to really connect, period. It's as if a chasm in them remains unfilled, growing in intensity, never satisfied. And I got my chance to minister to some of them.

As for the child molesters, the Lord brought one to my bible study over a decade ago. Of course, we didn't know that at first; all we saw at first was the brokenness of a man who finally found God and we got to see the Christ in him before he confessed he had molested his little girl. Before I came to God, I could have cut their heart out with a dull spoon and thought nothing of it. I was amazed as I hugged this man and really felt God's love for him swell up in my heart.

Point is, both the forgiven and the forgivers gain a spiritual blessing. It's always a two way street with God, and in my experience it's usually the ones you least want to deal with that bring the greatest blessing to YOU.  My  :2c: Blessings....

[Tom]

"The ignoble and the contemptible things of the world God chooses, and that which is not, that He should be discarding that which is, so that no flesh at all should be boasting in God's sight." (1 Corinthians 1:28,29)

[eaglesway]

An interesting point a friend of mine made with me was as follows..... Out of Ro. 1

They worshipped the creation rather than the creator, so they became fools, and their understanding was darkened, so they were given over to depraved behavior of various kinds, homosexuality being one of them.

Every man sins when he is drawn away by his own heart and enticed. Lust conceives sin and sin conceives death. A cycle of sin that can only be stopped by returning to the worship of the Creator-restoring understanding(discerment).

When a person i committing sin-they are worshipping the creation over the Creator. That thing i want is more important than He is to me. By stealing, or commiting adultery, or being greedy or envious, by homosexual sin or heterosexual sin- I am worshipping the creation over the Creator.

By pride, strife, vainglory- I worship my own image rather than the image of God- which is Christ and Him crucified.

What is the source of your wars? You lust and do not hav so you fight and steal and kill. Woe unto you, you aduterers and adultresses..... Clense your hands you sinners..... Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.

Return to me says the Lord, with all of your heart.

The privilege of carrying the light is based on that intense love for Him that is true service and worship. If we return, our light rises in obscurity(Let there b light! :o).

As the Psalmist says(ps51), Then I will teach transgressors your ways and sinners will b converted unto thee.

Or as the revelator says;

You have tried them that called themselves apostles and exposed the false, but this i hav against you- you hav left your first love. Return to me with all your hearts or I will remove your lampstand from its place(revoke the privilege of carrying the light).

Sobering words for all. The highways and hedges await the light. Grace Lord, grace.

Let me not worship the creation over the Creator in anyway.

[Tom]

I agree. I'm thinking there were probably a bunch of folks who didn't want to receive Paul as a brother after he'd been rounding up and killing their brothers and sisters, but God chose Paul to show the power of grace to transform a life of even what Paul himself admitted was the foremost of sinners. That's why God has changed each and every one of us because I'm guessing we all came from similar backgrounds in the sense that we experienced the darkness for real and probably couldn't even believe God loved us so much when we first realized it. That's why God chooses people like us though because it blows the minds of folks to see the change in our lives. I have no problem confessing my past craziness because it is a testimony to the power of God that I am even alive right now to type this. There was a time in my life when I didn't think I would even live to be 21, and now I'm a crazy old fool just as surprised I'm still here as everybody who knew anything about me during my life. But I know I'm nothing special because I think God works a miracle in everybody's life one way or another. We just have to see our brothers and sisters as fellow victims of sin struggling to survive in this wicked eon, and have compassion for them regardless of how sin is manifested in them. That's why Jesus hung out with the folks society put down. That really bugged the self-righteous folks who were respected by society, but God shows his power to save people most in those who obviously seem to need it the most. And who are the most thankful when they're saved? It's always those of us who know we were really messed up and didn't deserve it. I think that's the purpose of evil that most people don't seem to understand. It gives us an opportunity to see God really work in our lives so we don't just take his saving grace for granted. When you're saved from something traumatic in your life like gut wrenching drug withdrawal, there's no doubt in your mind about the power of God, and you love him a whole lot more. We who once may have been the "ignoble and contemptible" of society are the best examples of the grace of God. So take advantage of that to share God's grace with those in society who you know may be considered to be the "ignoble and contemptible" right now so they too can be shining examples of the light of God's love in this world of darkness. It's God's love that's going to overcome the evil in this world, not condemnation by self-righteous people who may even be spouting off verses of scripture but not in the spirit of love. It's not the words. It's the power that comes through the word of God that changes people. Love is the most powerful force in the universe. God is love.   

[Dandelion]

19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings. 1 Corinthians 9: 19 - 23

I think this one is appropriate for this discussion.

To win all for Christ, by becoming one with them. To be Christ in the flesh, for each person, we encounter.  :handshake:

[newlove]

Yesterday was international LGB day. On the news here in France the current position on same sex marriage was explained. owing to the separation
of church and state only the state can marry so the law compels equal rights here. However re the church
marriage (not official though many have the ceremony
too) it is down to pastors conscience. Not allowed by
Rc and broadly policy with the prots.
I have been contemplating all this and intend to decide. I heard some convincing points from Jabcat
and that was on the practice of homosex not
marriage.
Since then i will say this. I was touched by a message
in a health forum from a person of hs orientation(no need to say which sex it adds little to the polemic.
Owing to a progressive uncurable illness in a late stage they were on the verge of suicide and of a sudden began an online relationship ,then met.
The other person too was ill they managed to aid each other in Practical ways as well has claim to have renewed joy in life. That someone comes along
ans turns someone around is great news that the people were hs seems secondary .
I really don t like to have to object to peoples conduct
when it touches the heart so strongly.
I could simply say its between them and God.
I would not feel comfortable or right to say to the people in the tale i outlined they are doing wrong.

[Tom]

I think it's good that they loved and helped each other through some hard times, but love is something different than a sexual relationship. And scripture tells us that God considers certain sexual relationships sin.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I couldn't say it was God or that it wasn't, but I will say that God's love is not an emotion, it's a Spirit. Just my  :2c:....Blessings.....

[rosered]

:cloud9: I couldn't say it was God or that it wasn't, but I will say that God's love is not an emotion, it's a Spirit. Just my  :2c:....Blessings.....

The Word and Spirit   and those whom worship God in Spirit and Truth are the LOVE OF GOD expressed,  in faith , as living  and active works of HIM  ,  not the dead works   in  old Adam
of   Hebrews 6    as God gives the increase      ,    adding daily        a number that cannot be  counted  or fathomed  in human  minds      :HeartThrob:

[newlove]

I do not wish to make myself look unbalanced.. However consider this : i wonder why on earth out of
the blue that person chose me in a health forum.
I have never discussed sexuality or religion. Why would they want to share with me ? Might God have
been trying to tell me attitudes should be softened thatwhat counts chiefly in a couple is love respect
I mean we readily admit that given all the translations
and versions and translations truth is hard to elicit.
Do we really think that if love and respect are in Place God takes such a dim view of what two cosenting adults do ?

[lastpost]

The Word and Spirit   and those whom worship God in Spirit and Truth are the LOVE OF GOD expressed,  in faith , as living  and active works of HIM  ,  not the dead works   in  old Adam
of   Hebrews 6    as God gives the increase      ,    adding daily        a number that cannot be  counted  or fathomed  in human  minds      :HeartThrob:

I hope that I may be permitted to express my opinion... it does seem like talking into the wind to try and explain what it is like to be filled with Jesus Christ, even once for a day perhaps, is enough for a person never to forget that which does not exist in time and which is not subservient to words or man's doctrines.

It is not being filled with sacred words or spiritual ideas or religious concepts or happy thoughts of a blissful future.

It is being filled with Jesus Christ.

It is not being filled with the things that Jesus said,
Or it is not being filled with gratitude for salvation,
Or it is not being filled with exuberant joy and feelings of bliss.

It is being filled with Jesus Christ.

It is being filled with the Jesus Christ, whose Blood, mixed with water, fell on and blessed the earth upon which all humans live.
It is being filled with that Jesus Christ.
Then does a person know something, even but a little, of the never-ending Divine Love that has awakened within, in Christ.

When that happens, the legalistic words of the religionist become meaningless, because Truth and Life is experienced.

When that happens, the man of letters appears like a ghost trying to feebly disqualify the endlessness of Divine Love which he has never experienced - for if he had done so, he would not be living with the God of the letter but the GOD of the Spirit, in my opinion.

PEACE

[Tom]

I don't think some consenting adults may take a "dim view" of the word of God. I don't think it's a matter of "translations and versions" as you say because the ancient scriptures say God created man and woman to be one flesh, not man and man. As I said before, the couple that you communicated with may have genuine love for each other, but that's a separate issue from a sexual relationship.

[newlove]

Leave aside the translation and version argu.ent. I realize for some scripture should never be argued with
But my chief point is simply as a human i am addressing  the point what harm does it do.
Everyone wants to know the why  behind rules .
Is there no place for evolved conscience being able to
say i m a christian and i want live respect and all good things in my same sex couple. The sex serves as expression thereof.
I am straight and arguing this with the view we are
all german jews i wo. t explain more there. Simply put iit concerns us all. You can point to scripture Tom but
with respect in the world people need inspiration on other levels where is the place for that?
I know about reproduction but vast amounts of sex has not been had for reproduction. I m sure you may have heard the commo. Sense argument that hs is natures way of keeping the population down and we do have issues there.

[Tom]

OK, so I guess it's all right for me to hook up with my pet nanny goat then, right? If men can marry men, why shouldn't people be allowed to marry their pets? Animals have been declared legally sentient beings.

http://www.animalequality.net/node/703

http://www.vegan.com/blog/europe-grants-animals-legal-status-of-sentient-beings/

Who cares if it's a different species if they're consenting adults because it's just for pleasure not procreation? And I guess the same would apply to siblings and parents, right? Why should gay folks have all the fun? Why should everybody else be discriminated against? Let's just open the floodgates, and let anybody hook up with anybody else. Why not? We could eliminate marriage and the prohibition against adultery, and we could all just have a big old non-stop party. What do ya think? I tried the swinger lifestyle for awhile, and that's what it's all about. If it feels good, do it. Nobody gets hurt, and nobody gets jealous. Let's all just have a ball!

[newlove]

Now who is getting tense?
It s not fair what you said. You serm a knowledgeable
and experienced man but frankly if you answer my verycommon questions like that you surprise.
I along with many others would never ever touch animal child or anything un consenting.
And surely you see that?  I said consenting !
i m not sur e folk would like to be lumped together
as you did. No i was talking about love and respect
That can not by definition include goats having a ball etc.
Why don t you take a derp breath and have the decency to respect me and my efforts to tackle a difficult questio. With the respect it deserves.
I was seeking a serious answer.

[Tom]

I'm not "tense." I said "consenting," and I didn't say anything about a "child." I do respect you, and I am being serious. Some people love their pets and treat them just like humans. People's pets love them. The links I posted show that animals are even now considered to be legally sentient beings just like humans. So why should you discriminate against pets? I'm just thinking outside the box like you. I think the point is that who is to say where to draw the line? Some people may not agree with others about this or that. So there should be a reference point at which you say this is cool, but that ain't, and that's what the word of God is. If some folks don't want to agree to live according to that standard, that's their choice as long as they don't violate any secular laws and get caught, but some secular laws have "evolved," as you say, due to political correctness. The word of God remains constant though, and that's a good thing. You may have sympathy for certain individuals because you've become acquainted with them, but it seems to me that it's just a matter of confusing love with desire which is quite common especially in our permissive western culture.

[Psalm91:4]

I don't think life in Christ is about whatever two people may be consenting to.  I think it is about what the Lord consents to or blesses in any given situation that is the most important thing.

It's not like the Lord was silent on this matter of "becoming one flesh."  He told us exactly what He meant by that...creating man and woman to be one flesh. Plain and simple words.

People can deviate from that all they want to and it won't change His clear words on the matter....

Mary once told some people at a wedding the Lord attended, "Whatever He tells you to do, do it."

That applies to all things really, the way I see it.  Our flesh doesn't like to be crucified with Christ....wants our own will not His....when things get down to the nitty gritty..the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak. But trying to wrestle with the Lord and His word on any matter when He is dealing with us.... we're gonna lose.   And that's a good thing!!  :)

[rosered]

The Word and Spirit   and those whom worship God in Spirit and Truth are the LOVE OF GOD expressed,  in faith , as living  and active works of HIM  ,  not the dead works   in  old Adam
of   Hebrews 6    as God gives the increase      ,    adding daily        a number that cannot be  counted  or fathomed  in human  minds      :HeartThrob:

I hope that I may be permitted to express my opinion... it does seem like talking into the wind to try and explain what it is like to be filled with Jesus Christ, even once for a day perhaps, is enough for a person never to forget that which does not exist in time and which is not subservient to words or man's doctrines.

It is not being filled with sacred words or spiritual ideas or religious concepts or happy thoughts of a blissful future.

It is being filled with Jesus Christ.

It is not being filled with the things that Jesus said,
Or it is not being filled with gratitude for salvation,
Or it is not being filled with exuberant joy and feelings of bliss.

It is being filled with Jesus Christ.

It is being filled with the Jesus Christ, whose Blood, mixed with water, fell on and blessed the earth upon which all humans live.
It is being filled with that Jesus Christ.
Then does a person know something, even but a little, of the never-ending Divine Love that has awakened within, in Christ.

When that happens, the legalistic words of the religionist become meaningless, because Truth and Life is experienced.

When that happens, the man of letters appears like a ghost trying to feebly disqualify the endlessness of Divine Love which he has never experienced - for if he had done so, he would not be living with the God of the letter but the GOD of the Spirit, in my opinion.

PEACE

PEACE to  all your house LastPost   ,  I totally agree with you     ,     I know when the SPIRIT SPEAKS

It can come out of anyones  mouth  at any time , and they themselves many not even be aware  it ..

We are always underestimating the POWER OF GOD   to whom all things are possible .

with the impossibility of men trampling under foot .

Thus the Lord says ,  Heaven is My Throne and the earth is My footstool  :HeartThrob:

[jabcat]

Do we really think that if love and respect are in Place God takes such a dim view of what two cosenting adults do ?

Yes I do, based on what I understand the scriptures to say about it.

I don't think life in Christ is about whatever two people may be consenting to.  I think it is about what the Lord consents to or blesses in any given situation that is the most important thing.

It's not like the Lord was silent on this matter of "becoming one flesh."  He told us exactly what He meant by that...creating man and woman to be one flesh. Plain and simple words.