Torah Observant?

[jabcat]

And this one is awesome...some really good early church history in here, including their progression in the faith


http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Torah-Aware/torah-aware.html

[natcat86]

Hey Jabcat, thanks a lot for that.
I think I may have gotten the wrong word with torah "Observant". I just feel that I'm at a time in my life where Father is teaching me what holiness is and He is using torah to do that. But some of the commands of the Torah have been superceded by the coming of Yeshua, so like it says on that page in the table about written on tablets vs written on our hearts, I wont go back to eye for eye justice when Yeshus has taught me to forgive! BUT I will keep the Shabbat on Saturday and I will keep the feasts. As they have not been fulfilled yet and I will try to rid my life of all paganism, idols that have crept in even into my christianity.

Maybe I mean Torah aware or Torah minded? hmm :dontknow:


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[jabcat]

Maybe I mean Torah aware or Torah minded? hmm :dontknow:

:girlheart:

LOL, that's exactly what I was wrestling around in my mind...I was interrupted from reading the 2nd article, but I was thinking that's also what the Jewish Christian writer was saying...good to be aware, educated, it helps us understand the NT better...not necessarily to try to keep the law, but to respect and be aware of the types, shadows, things of importance.  Not bondage, but awareness and learning.  I'm gonna get back to reading the 2nd article...some interesting things there.   :bigGrin:

[jabcat]

So as far as keeping the sabbath on Saturday.  I really don't know a whole lot about the strict observance of the day, but doesn't it have to do with not driving a car, not preparing food, a whole set of things that cannot be done or one has "sinned", etc.?  Is that what you intend to do, or somehow have more of a respect for the day as a day of rest and observance?  There's a lot to consider here Nat  :happy3:.  What do you think it will look like for you?

[natcat86]

I think to me keeping the sabbath means having a rest from work, and dedicating the day to Father to have fellowship, teaching, prayer- the spiritual meaning behind shabbat I think is rest and connecting with Father so driving wont go against that for me. Bit like Sundays are now for folks but on the correct day. I dont know where it is in the bible but there is a bit about how a sign of the end times will be that the correct times and dates that were ordained by father will be messed about with. Father chose the 7th day for a rest and that is what saturday is.

Father wants us to rest, you wouldn't work an animal all week long! Also like the feasts it is a set aside time dedicated to Father. last Shabbat I went to a shabbat meeting, had some teaching, prayer, worship, discussion and food. I even got to share about UR which was awsome. They are christians who are looking into their hebraic roots. I asked them if hell was real why is it never mentioned to Adam and eve or Moses? Really got them thinking!

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[jabcat]

It's an interesting topic alright, and good that you got to share at the meeting.  Here's my bottom line.  I think there's a reason that we are to be led by the Spirit, our own conscience, to work out own salvation with fear and trembling, and to accept each other as Paul said, not to be contentious/judge, etc.   So for some, I think God may use and bless a certain activity in that person's life (as long as it's not clearly against the standard of the scriptures) while at the same time, He may work in totally the opposite direction in another believer's life.  Here's what I'm getting at.  He may use some of these things to bring you exactly where He wants you.  Some of it may even be of a temporary nature, until you're ready to move on to the next step.  While at the same time, He may not use some of those same things at all at this present time(or at least on a limited basis) for myself - I have been in a place of my life of striving for perfection, being in bondage to rules (many in my own mind), struggling to obtain favor through my own works, etc.  Where I believe God has led me is away from ritual and ceremony, away from struggling to follow rules and more of a daily, moment by moment walk of obedience, a learning to worship more in Spirit and truth.  (I'M NOT SAYING I'M GOOD AT IT, I'M SAYING THAT'S THE DIRECTION I HOPE I'M HEADED IN).  I see the discipline in my life as needing to be one of obedience INWARDLY, an issue of the heart/mind/will, to where He is truly living through me, not me making the efforts "as beating the air" as Paul said.  I've gone through the rituals, I've been tied in knots, I need it to be a matter of my innermost being.  I look at it as "one esteems one day over then next, another esteems all days the same - one eats meat, the other doesn't - he who does, does it as unto the Lord.  He who doesn't, does it as unto the Lord".  Different places in our walk, God knows exactly what we all need if we'll just be obedient.  I'll leave you alone with this now unless you bring up more issues.   :bigGrin:  

"Take my yoke upon you and learn of me...My yoke is easy, and my burden is light...when the Spirit comes He will lead you in all truth".

God's blessing, James.

[fire walker]

 

"Take my yoke upon you and learn of me...My yoke is easy, and my burden is light...when the Spirit comes He will lead  you in all truth".

God's blessing, James.

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Yes, and that is good news to ALL no matter where they might be in their personal walk with the Lord, revelation of the truth comes by the spirit.

Peace,
Fire Walker

[jabcat]

 

"Take my yoke upon you and learn of me...My yoke is easy, and my burden is light...when the Spirit comes He will lead  you in all truth".

God's blessing, James.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes, and that is good news to ALL no matter where they might be in their personal walk with the Lord, revelation of the truth comes by the spirit.

Peace,
Fire Walker

Amen.

[natcat86]

A scripture that has really jumped out at me and sums up my thoughts and motivation with this is

2 Timothy 3:16-All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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[WhiteWings]

A scripture that has really jumped out at me and sums up my thoughts and motivation with this is

2 Timothy 3:16-All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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The verses are correct (ofcourse) but also quite useless in this topic. The question is not if Scripture come from God but what customs come from God and what customs come from God. Plus did the death of the Son end some rules/customs commanded by the Father?
If you break one law then you break 'm all. So the chance you are going to break them all is very close to 100%.

Then ofcourse it can be argued that things can be done out of love instead of obeying a law. That sounds a little better to me. But still by doing so do we not "add things" to Scripture?
An (ET) saying comes to mind" The road to hel is paved with good intentions.......
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[natcat86]

I think the scripture that I quoted is completely relevant. Some of the law has been fulfilled so do i think that we should have animal scarifices, no! BUT some has not been fulfiled such as keeping the sabbath and the feasts. So that command still stands it is a command from God not a suggestion.

The scripture Paul was talking about was the Torah!!! and note the scripture I quoted says it is profitable for,

-doctrine
-reproof
-correction
-instruction in righteousness

Note- NOT SALVATION!!!

So since Yeshua's sacrifice we dont follow the Torah to bring us salvation BUT as Paul noted AFTER Yeshua's sacrifice it is still good for many things!

[natcat86]

http://www.seedofabraham.net/nlul.html

Here is a good article which explores the two phrases, 'under the law' and 'works of the law'.