The Anti-christ

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: no doubt.... :laughing7:

[WhiteWings]

I wonder how many pastors would honk at you and give you the finger for displaying it!!

Are you out of your mind?  :laughing7:

[Akira Takahashi]

Wow, no one's a bit disturbed by Maitreya?

[LoveDefeatsEvil]

Hey everyone, newbie here!  :grin:

Newbie to these truths (2 months) and the board as well... Hope you all are doing well!

Just a brief comment of "WOW"... with all the revelations that the Holy Spirit has made real within me the last few weeks and reading through this topic... I can "see" this being the case.

I look forward to reading, studying and of course asking our "Dad" alot more questions (prayer) as the Holy Spirit continues to remove the veils!

May God continue to enlighten us all & crush that pesky little horn that has a form of Godliness, but denies God's power! (my interpretation) I still can't believe how deceived we have all been... Jesus is truly amazing!

Peace & love,

Dave  :newb:

[Paul Hazelwood]

Wow, no one's a bit disturbed by Maitreya?

No, I'm not bothered by the outlook a man may have to bring people together of all sorts of people in hope to spread a message that might make a difference in the world.

Of all the Christian warnings of end times and anti-Christ, all the islamic garbage of infidels and other nonsense has done more to promote discord, hatred and deception among people, I cannot see any "one" man being able to do a better job tha.


People reject it, but we are all beasts and we are all anti-Christs and that is not to demean anyone or promote a guilt complex it is a reality that if recognized will turn fear instantly into hope.

How much hope could be flourished if there was no one teaching the fear of end times and to be on the lookout for this one man that doesn't even exist in that manner?


How much better can we become, realizing that each of us doing something better each day effectively will defeat the anti-christ without fail?

[Livelystone]

Here is something on the "antichrist" from way back


There have been many accusations made towards certain individuals whom were (are) believed by the nominal denominational church to be the one to fulfill this last day's time prophecy (or will as time progresses). As usual the church is a few cards short in their deck of understanding simply because they are disobedient to Gods Word and treat as if it was some sort of elementary history book. Rather then listen to them lets take a look at what His Word has to say about this one who is expected to usher in other false last day prophecies.

1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

There are few obvious truths in this verse that have been discarded by these "last day" experts and they are as follows

1. It was already the last day when John penned this.
2. The antichrist already existed in the world at the time this writing was first written.
3. They are plural in number yet singular in nature.
4. Finally John is letting us know that even though there are many who look for one antichrist, he is enlightened to the future church and has been allowed to see this false teaching of the church to and proclaimed so with "as ye have heard".

So to continue on with breaking with tradition and false teachings we need to confirm the definition of the word "anti" as we already know that "Christ" is the Spirit of God in flesh. To do that we need only to do a little simple research to break the word down so that we can separate the word "anti" from Christ. I will use the online blue letter Bible as well as a Strong software installed to confirm what the antichrist really is.

Antichristos {an-tee'-khris-tos} that is from 473 and 5547. The Strong's Number 473 matches the Greek word "anti"

G473
anti "an-tee'"
A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of, for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

Now the true meaning of "in place of" instead of "in addition to" comes to light but just to make sure that we are not departing on how this word is to be understood in the Bible let us confirm it with comparing it with other scripture in accordance with 1Cor.2: 13 and Isa. 28:9-13

In Matt.2: 22 the phrase translated into English as "in the room" is the Greek word "anti" and means "in place of his father". This also witnessed just a few chapters later in Mt.5: 38 as in "eye for an eye". The translated word "for" is once again the Greek word "anti" and is used as "in exchange for". Having provided the necessary two witnesses to prove doctrine and no witness (verse) available to disprove this doctrine we can see that once again there has been a twist from how the early authors of scripture wrote and taught new believers compared to what is taught to them today.

Now we already know that Christ is the Spirit of God in flesh just as man is the spirit of man in flesh and that we (believers) have through grace been given the Holy Spirit of God to live by and guide us unto all truth. Unfortunately we have not been rid of the spirit of man, the unclean spirit that has been passed down unto all of mankind since Adam because it still exists within us. The Apostle Paul called this the "law of sin" that he found to be still remain in his members after his conversion and Jesus Christ taught of it in the parable of the unclean spirit.

Mt. 12: 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

So we see that while even though we have been given the free gift of salvation in the very presence of the Spirit of God within us, we are still dogged by what Paul referred to as the "Old Man". This is why he and the other apostles "died daily" and refused to allow this old fallen spirit of man to rule within them by keeping the flesh under subjection to the risen Christ by remaining crucified with Him in the flesh but risen by the Spirit of God.

We are the temple of God and this is where the antichrist will rule from if we allow it as he (our old man) is always trying to return to the heart "in place of Christ" to rule over the temple of God. This is why we are still not all clean just as Jesus spoke to the disciples prior to when he washed their feet. When we (those who do not fall to the sin of unbelief) undergo this second cleansing we will appear as the High Priest did in He.9:28. Always remember that the Christians in the Bible were told to be able to recieve the "end of their faith the salvation of the soul" even though they had already been "saved" by todays standards. (1Pet.1: 9)

The church staying occupied by what they think is yet to come has allowed Satan to rule from far to many "temples of God" in place of Christ and is why Jesus speaks of the church in Re.2: 9,13 as the synagogue and seat (place of authority) of Satan. In the individual it is the heart and corporately it is the church that is run from the pulpit and not the pew. Granted Satan knows the scriptures well and will deceive many through manipulating the world as one of his kingdoms and through the unregenerate man. This is expected but the unfortunate part is he already rules from where he "ought not" and that my friends, has just been revealed to you. So let us do as our Lord and Savoir has shown us and turn over the tables of the moneychangers (law breakers) and those who sold sacrifices for worship (those that are paid tithes in exchange for lies) that still exist in the outer court of the temple.

Peace and Blessings

Douglas

[Doc]

Did you read all of the thread on 666 & the beast, that you started?  There is a lot of good info in it.

Anyway to your question:  Who is "the" antichrist?

Well there is no such thing in scripture as "the" antichrist (singular).  It is always just referred to as "antichrist" or "spirit of antichrist".  Read it for yourself in the KJV in 1 John 2:18, 1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:3, and 2 John 1:7.  Those are the all the verses that speak of "antichrist".  Now some other bibles add the word "the" in front of "antichrist", but that is not correct.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Read the plain meaning of these verses and you will quickly see that what the church teaches about "the" antichrist is completely unscriptural:
- there are many antichrists, not just one
- there were antichrists "even now" in John's day, therefore antichrist is not only a future person/persons
- if one is a liar and denies Jesus Christ, he is an antichrist and has the spirit of antichrist.  Who can say they have never lied and never denied Christ?  NO ONE.
- there are many deceivers - these deceivers are antichrist

The antichrist is not some world leader who will rise to power and all will worship while he imposes a one-world governement/currency.  No.

Who is "the" antichrist?  YOU are the antichrist.  I am the antichrist.  WE are all the antichrist!  We have all denied Christ - we all have the spirit of antichrist.  That is, until we come to confess Jesus and know the truth.

Likewise, who is the son of lawlessness, son of perdition, the one who sits on God's throne... who is that person?  It is YOU.  It is ME.  It is EVERYONE.  We all deny Christ at some point and exalt ourselves before God.

But how do we sit in the temple of God?  What is the temple of God?


1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2 Cor 16 .. For we are the temple of the living God...

2 Thes 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.


We sit in the temple of God (our own body & self) claiming that we ourself are god!  We think we are in complete control, completely sovereign, exalting and worshiping ourself as if we were God.  We are the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition, an antichrist, when we fail to acknowledge that God is in control of our life and God is not in our temple (our body).  God is leading us whether we like it or not, but who believes it.

Make sense?

Legoman

Preach it brotha!  :thumbsup:

[Akira Takahashi]

Wow, no one's a bit disturbed by Maitreya?

No, I'm not bothered by the outlook a man may have to bring people together of all sorts of people in hope to spread a message that might make a difference in the world.

Of all the Christian warnings of end times and anti-Christ, all the islamic garbage of infidels and other nonsense has done more to promote discord, hatred and deception among people, I cannot see any "one" man being able to do a better job tha.


People reject it, but we are all beasts and we are all anti-Christs and that is not to demean anyone or promote a guilt complex it is a reality that if recognized will turn fear instantly into hope.

How much hope could be flourished if there was no one teaching the fear of end times and to be on the lookout for this one man that doesn't even exist in that manner?


How much better can we become, realizing that each of us doing something better each day effectively will defeat the anti-christ without fail?

That's a good answer.  I'm personally very sick and tired of being talked to about the End Times and how the Rapture is coming very shortly.  Everyone around me is telling me to be prepared, all the prophecies have been fulfilled, etc.  My mom is pretty certain that we'll all be caught up in the Rapture soon, with the exception of one of my brothers, and I'm struggling with the fact that I'm just attached to this world for the time being.  As a Christian, I know I'm not supposed to be.  However, as a 22-year-old, I still want to see where my life might lead.  Right now it's not going anywhere, as I'm out of work, but that doesn't mean I'm doomed yet.  I'm really struggling with this, because it's all that's talked about in my house, and I feel guilty over it.

The problem with Revelations is that everyone takes it way too literally, I think.  That, and they take metaphorical passages and try to replace it with something literal in today's world.  I can count on one hand the number of times I've read that book, as it both frightens and confuses me.

[Raggedy Anne]

Well, I was pretty sure that G.W. Bush was the anti-Christ  :grin:  But the right-wing evangelicals are afraid that Obama is the anti-Christ  :icon_jokercolor:  It does get a bit silly.    Kind of makes me think of a scripture in Matthew chapter 20:20-23

Then the Zebedee's wife came to Jesus with her sons. She bowed down in front of him to ask him for a favor.  He asked her, "What do you want?" She said to him, "Promise that in your kingdom these two sons of mine will sit on your right and on your left."  Jesus replied, "You don't realize what you're asking. Can you drink from the cup that I'm going to drink from?"  They told him, "We can."  He said to them, "You will indeed drink from my cup. But it's not up to me to grant you a seat at my right hand or at my left. These positions have already been prepared for others by my Father."

[Paul Hazelwood]

That's a good answer.  I'm personally very sick and tired of being talked to about the End Times and how the Rapture is coming very shortly. 

Shortly is an open ended term when it comes to the end times.  I don't care if it's the end times, don't give one rip about it.   Lets get it over with already and quit yapping about em christians.   

In the 70's akira  I was in a church and the evangelist sold his great book on the end times coming sooooooooon in the year 2000....

Heck I guess all those Christians going on and on and on about it have been  "uuuheeem"  "Left behind".   Including the minister........

[Nathan]

Every generation before us felt that Christ could come back imminently during "their" generation . . . I just don't see why we're supposed to be so focussed on something that may or may not come in our generation . . .while at the same time . .consider the lillies . . they don't toil or spin . .they don't worry and watch . . .they just "are".

[Paul Hazelwood]

Every generation before us felt that Christ could come back imminently during "their" generation . . . I just don't see why we're supposed to be so focussed on something that may or may not come in our generation . . .while at the same time . .consider the lillies . . they don't toil or spin . .they don't worry and watch . . .they just "are".

Especially when we are told to watch and pray.

[peacemaker]

Still waiting?  :mshock:

[Nathan]

Every generation before us felt that Christ could come back imminently during "their" generation . . . I just don't see why we're supposed to be so focussed on something that may or may not come in our generation . . .while at the same time . .consider the lillies . . they don't toil or spin . .they don't worry and watch . . .they just "are".

Especially when we are told to watch and pray.

"They" were told to watch and pray for the end of the religious system was about to be violently removed from them.  (70 AD.)There was no indication that God's intention was for the church to watch and pray for something that wasn't going to happen.

[Paul Hazelwood]

Every generation before us felt that Christ could come back imminently during "their" generation . . . I just don't see why we're supposed to be so focussed on something that may or may not come in our generation . . .while at the same time . .consider the lillies . . they don't toil or spin . .they don't worry and watch . . .they just "are".

Especially when we are told to watch and pray.

"They" were told to watch and pray for the end of the religious system was about to be violently removed from them.  (70 AD.)There was no indication that God's intention was for the church to watch and pray for something that wasn't going to happen.

Thats right, the whole religious system is looking for something that will never come.


Mk 14:38 Watch and pray lest you may be entering into trial. The spirit indeed is eager, yet the flesh is infirm."

Mk 13:33 Beware! Be vigilant and pray, for you are not aware when the era is.

Mk 13:35 Watch, then, for you are not aware when the lord of the house is coming, at evening, or midnight, or cockcrowing, or morning,

Mk 13:36 that, coming suddenly, he may not be finding you drowsing.




None of that has anything to do with end times and I personally couldn't care less what context it was in 2000 years ago. 

It has to do with being aware of the kingdom that is at hand now.   Had I been drowsing and not being aware I would have missed out on some wonderful events of my life that have taken place recently and are of the kingdom. (of course the religious system would be completely blind to them).  I was not aware of when, but I do know to look out so when they appear I see them

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The only appearing I really concern myself with is HIS appearing, as He appears to those that look for Him. I see Him in the clouds on here every day.  :winkgrin:

[Livelystone]

:cloud9: The only appearing I really concern myself with is HIS appearing, as He appears to those that look for Him. I see Him in the clouds on here every day.  :winkgrin:

Amen Sis

Do you think that the awareness that the antichrist (the falling away) is not going to walk on earth as one individual will soon translate into the knowledge that "the gathering" of a many membered body coming to be "in Christ' means not only will we not see one individual as the antichrist neither will the world see one individual as Christ walk on earth again ?....... words that would have gotten one burned at the stake at one time.

Blessings

Doug

[Molly]

:cloud9: The only appearing I really concern myself with is HIS appearing, as He appears to those that look for Him. I see Him in the clouds on here every day.  :winkgrin:

Amen Sis

Do you think that the awareness that the antichrist (the falling away) is not going to walk on earth as one individual will soon translate into the knowledge that "the gathering" of a many membered body coming to be "in Christ' means not only will we not see one individual as the antichrist neither will the world see one individual as Christ walk on earth again ?....... words that would have gotten one burned at the stake at one time.

Blessings

Doug

It's a concept I have only recently become aware of--that the Christ is a hologram.  Then I found that recent experiments are proving the universe is holographic.  Anyway, now that I have become aware of it,  I see lots of people coming into the same awareness.  Christ doesn't come alone--he comes with clouds.

"hologram"

Greek

holos= whole

gramma=message


each piece contains the whole message

[Livelystone]

God appeared to Moses in the clouds over the Mercy Seat that came from the incense that represent the prayers of the Saints........ so He appears unto us in our prayers.

The scriptures say that Jesus is to remain the the right hand of God until all His enemies are made His footstool ...... and says so seven times with the last time indicating that Jesus is waiting for us while the church has ben sitting on their duff waiting for Him.

Blessings

[claypot]

:cloud9: The only appearing I really concern myself with is HIS appearing, as He appears to those that look for Him. I see Him in the clouds on here every day.  :winkgrin:

Amen Sis

Do you think that the awareness that the antichrist (the falling away) is not going to walk on earth as one individual will soon translate into the knowledge that "the gathering" of a many membered body coming to be "in Christ' means not only will we not see one individual as the antichrist neither will the world see one individual as Christ walk on earth again ?....... words that would have gotten one burned at the stake at one time.

Blessings

Doug

It's a concept I have only recently become aware of--that the Christ is a hologram.  Then I found that recent experiments are proving the universe is holographic.  Anyway, now that I have become aware of it,  I see lots of people coming into the same awareness.  Christ doesn't come alone--he comes with clouds.

"hologram"

Greek

holos= whole

gramma=message


each piece contains the whole message

Doug and Molly, great words. Molly, that hologram insight speaks much to me right now.

cp

[DaughterofDavid]

:cloud9: The only appearing I really concern myself with is HIS appearing, as He appears to those that look for Him. I see Him in the clouds on here every day.  :winkgrin:

Good morning sis! (or afternoon...depending where you live :bigGrin:)

I love this that you wrote....and is so true!

I see Him here too.... :cloud9:

I love to think about the moment when He will pull back the curtain and all of His son's and daughters throughout the earth will be MANIFESTED ....to share in HIS GLORY....I can imagine but I know that I still cannot even comprehend what that will be like.

Wow.

I also believe that He (Jesus/Yahshua) himself will appear along with all the saints that are IN CHRIST. I know some don't think that way....but I do. So many within the 'church system' are still looking for the singular Jesus...not the corporate one....and for those especially I believe they will have their heart's desire come true...to see Him....and He will reveal the truth to them that He has brought many son's to glory and not to be afraid of His brother's and sister's because He that is JOINED to the Lord is ONE SPIRIT....and as He is so are WE in the earth....whewww....! :bigGrin: :happyclap: :ginlove:

I also wanted to send a SHOUT OUT to "LIVELYSTONE".....just wanted to let you know that I have been richly blessed by your blog....what a glorious brother you are! To Father be praised! :dsunny:

Be blessed Tentmaker Family!
DaughterofDavid

[Nathan]

:cloud9: The only appearing I really concern myself with is HIS appearing, as He appears to those that look for Him. I see Him in the clouds on here every day.  :winkgrin:

Amen Sis

Do you think that the awareness that the antichrist (the falling away) is not going to walk on earth as one individual will soon translate into the knowledge that "the gathering" of a many membered body coming to be "in Christ' means not only will we not see one individual as the antichrist neither will the world see one individual as Christ walk on earth again ?....... words that would have gotten one burned at the stake at one time.

Blessings



Doug

I see DaughterofDavid has my same thoughts in mind . . .but I'll say it anyway . . .for me, the falling away is not people from Christ . . .but it's the veil from the mind . . .when it falls away, it will become clear who it is that is standing in my temple . . .and when the revelation of that takes place in people, they will be able to overthrow that abomination of desolation within them and manifest as the Sons of God we all are.

[Cardinal]

:cloud9: The only appearing I really concern myself with is HIS appearing, as He appears to those that look for Him. I see Him in the clouds on here every day.  :winkgrin:

Amen Sis

Do you think that the awareness that the antichrist (the falling away) is not going to walk on earth as one individual will soon translate into the knowledge that "the gathering" of a many membered body coming to be "in Christ' means not only will we not see one individual as the antichrist neither will the world see one individual as Christ walk on earth again ?....... words that would have gotten one burned at the stake at one time.

Blessings Doug

:cloud9: Absolutely, I think He's going to appear in a many-membered body of fully matured Sons, as in one loaf of bread/Word that's been thru the fire of experience, that is going to roll (not of their own momentum) down the mountain of God and destroy all the Midianites. Midianite means division, as in the carnal mind that divides us from the mind of Christ and the Father, ie. we are only separated from Him in our minds.

Not that anyone is to take my word for it, it's all in the Word, but I have also been shown this in dreams and visions. They are going to walk in total power and authority over this realm, something He has let me feel twice (while awake) for about 5 seconds the first time, and about 10 minutes the second time, and it is indescribable. But He cannot give it to anyone whose heart has not been cleansed of all motives other than HIS. The reason being, the tares within us are raised up together, and if not bound (as they were in me at the time) or eliminated completely they would raise up and seize the opportunity to destroy. Blessings....

[Cardinal]

The scriptures say that Jesus is to remain the the right hand of God until all His enemies are made His footstool ...... and says so seven times with the last time indicating that Jesus is waiting for us while the church has been sitting on their duff waiting for Him.

:cloud9: Which is probably why we were told to enter the throne room BOLDLY.....and yet most sit waiting to fly away......sad. Blessings.....

[Doc]

Card, you and Nathan are hitting stuff right on the head here.  :thumbsup: