The Economy

[Molly]

Eleven States Declare Sovereignty Over Obama's Action

A.W.R. Hawkins
Human Events
February 24, 2009

State governors — looking down the gun barrel of long-term spending forced on them by the Obama "stimulus" plan — are saying they will refuse to take the money. This is a Constitutional confrontation between the federal government and the states unlike any in our time.

In the first five weeks of his presidency, Barack Obama has acted so rashly that at least 11 states have decided that his brand of "hope" equates to an intolerable expansion of the federal government's authority over the states. These states — "Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California...Georgia," South Carolina, and Texas — "have all introduced bills and resolutions" reminding Obama that the 10th Amendment protects the rights of the states, which are the rights of the people, by limiting the power of the federal government. These resolutions call on Obama to "cease and desist" from his reckless government expansion and also indicate that federal laws and regulations implemented in violation of the 10th Amendment can be nullified by the states.

When the Constitution was being ratified during the 1780s, the 10th Amendment was understood to be the linchpin that held the entire Bill of Rights together. The amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

http://www.infowars.com/eleven-states-declare-sovereignty-over-obama%e2%80%99s-action/

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I read this week that part of that bill has $30 million earmarked to bring Palestinian refugees to this country. Though they're not all terrorists, how exactly does one know, and suppose they decide to become one, once they're here? Anybody remember Arafat? Apparently no one in Washington does. Blessings....

[jabcat]

Eleven States Declare Sovereignty Over Obama's Action

A.W.R. Hawkins
Human Events
February 24, 2009

State governors — looking down the gun barrel of long-term spending forced on them by the Obama "stimulus" plan — are saying they will refuse to take the money. This is a Constitutional confrontation between the federal government and the states unlike any in our time.

In the first five weeks of his presidency, Barack Obama has acted so rashly that at least 11 states have decided that his brand of "hope" equates to an intolerable expansion of the federal government's authority over the states. These states — "Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California...Georgia," South Carolina, and Texas — "have all introduced bills and resolutions" reminding Obama that the 10th Amendment protects the rights of the states, which are the rights of the people, by limiting the power of the federal government. These resolutions call on Obama to "cease and desist" from his reckless government expansion and also indicate that federal laws and regulations implemented in violation of the 10th Amendment can be nullified by the states.

When the Constitution was being ratified during the 1780s, the 10th Amendment was understood to be the linchpin that held the entire Bill of Rights together. The amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

http://www.infowars.com/eleven-states-declare-sovereignty-over-obama%e2%80%99s-action/

Well, HALLELUJA!  I hadn't heard that.  I do know that Gerald Celente (trends forecaster, MANY things correct over the past 20 years--research him) has said there will be a tax revolt and eventually a revolution.  However, he also says there will be increased violence and people in the streets of America trying to get food. 

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I just read something yesterday that some famous Russian who predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union, said we have the same factors they did before the fall, and that we will collapse, no matter how much money they throw at the problems. Blessngs....

[Taffy]

:cloud9: I just read something yesterday that some famous Russian who predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union, said we have the same factors they did before the fall, and that we will collapse, no matter how much money they throw at the problems. Blessngs....

Similarities abound  beyond the walls of the USA and Britain....Personally ,Im amazed its lasted this long.


:icon_flower:

[Paul Hazelwood]

:cloud9: I read this week that part of that bill has $30 million earmarked to bring Palestinian refugees to this country. Though they're not all terrorists, how exactly does one know, and suppose they decide to become one, once they're here? Anybody remember Arafat? Apparently no one in Washington does. Blessings....

Who knows what anyone will do, Timothy Mcvay is a good example.   Too many people in fear these days while saying they have faith.   

[fire walker]

:cloud9: I read this week that part of that bill has $30 million earmarked to bring Palestinian refugees to this country. Though they're not all terrorists, how exactly does one know, and suppose they decide to become one, once they're here? Anybody remember Arafat? Apparently no one in Washington does. Blessings....

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Personally I would rather have a Palestinian family living here as my nieghbor than one Israelie settler (squatter). Remember the Ergun and the Stern gang? Remember communist Joe Stalin and his Red Jewish commisars applied atrocities and mass genocide against all those Russian Christians and even some Jews whom they considered to be lessor brethren that would make Adolf Hitlers actions look like kindergarten play, what was Joe Stalin and his red commisars at that time other than terrorists?   

With our economy being in such shambles
at the present due to corruption in high places, example: such as what folks like Bernard Madoff and many others did, what was that other than economic terrorism?

The USA financed much if not most of the rebuilding of the war destruction of the infastructure in Japan and Germany after WW11, so why should we now go in and finance the rebuilding of the fresh  destruction in Gazza when Israel is the one who bombed it into destruction?

None of us want terrorism to be given a place, however labeling a whole people as the terrorists and another people as the always supreme good people doesn't work because it isn't truthful. like you said, the Palestinians they aren't all terrorists, and we know for a fact that the Israelies are not always so innocent as they would try to have other people believe.

Peace,
Fire Walker

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I didn't say they were......however I would still prefer the Israelites to the Palestinians, which are 93% Muslim, given what their ultimate goal is, as Denmark and France are finding out the hard way. Blessings....

[fire walker]

Card,
I am sorry and apologies if my post sounded like a personal attack, by no means did I wish to pick on you personaly, you have posted many good viewpoints and brought insight into these forums regarding the gospel of Christ and the spirit at work in your personal walk.

What I desired to point out is that it is difficult for me to view any people corporately under any religious or political label, I suppose I am maybe too much of a one on one viewer of people as individuals rather than by the religious and political leaders they have no choice but to live under, that does not mean that I am niave
enough to trust that all people look at others individualy rather than through a collective corporate lense.

Yes, I remember Arafat and I also remember that Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin were getting close to working out peace together in the
tense situation that has exsisted since the 1948 founding of present day Israel and that it was not Arafat or any Palestinian that killed Israelie PM Yitzhak Rabin, it was a Jewish Israelie who killed Rabin and extremists that were behind that.

Now in supporting our Allies with financial aid, this is all well and fine when we have the where with all to do such but when our Nation is in severe financial straits like we are now would be a good time to suspend all this foriegn aid to Israel, Egypt an others to help get our own Nation taken care of first, time for our political leaders to put the needs of our Nation first before Foriegn interests as it should have been to start with before we throw good money after bad holding up the same failed policies. If our foriegn Allies can't understand this and stand behind us without whining and complaining when we are in need from our own economic turmoil then maybe they aren't such good allies after all.

Personaly for me it is impossible to take sides with either ruler,the Israelies or the Palestinians because I have no desire to live under the rule of Sharia law or Zionist rule
either one when we know Christ gave himself for all men and that we were chosen in him from before the foundation of the world.

Peace,
Fire Walker

[firstborn888]

In the first five weeks of his presidency, Barack Obama has acted so rashly that at least 11 states have decided that his brand of "hope" equates to an intolerable expansion of the federal government's authority over the states. These states — "Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California...Georgia," South Carolina, and Texas — "have all introduced bills and resolutions" reminding Obama that the 10th Amendment protects the rights of the states, which are the rights of the people, by limiting the power of the federal government.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[fire walker]

Eleven States Declare Sovereignty Over Obama's Action

A.W.R. Hawkins
Human Events
February 24, 2009

State governors — looking down the gun barrel of long-term spending forced on them by the Obama "stimulus" plan — are saying they will refuse to take the money. This is a Constitutional confrontation between the federal government and the states unlike any in our time.

In the first five weeks of his presidency, Barack Obama has acted so rashly that at least 11 states have decided that his brand of "hope" equates to an intolerable expansion of the federal government's authority over the states. These states — "Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California...Georgia," South Carolina, and Texas — "have all introduced bills and resolutions" reminding Obama that the 10th Amendment protects the rights of the states, which are the rights of the people, by limiting the power of the federal government. These resolutions call on Obama to "cease and desist" from his reckless government expansion and also indicate that federal laws and regulations implemented in violation of the 10th Amendment can be nullified by the states.

When the Constitution was being ratified during the 1780s, the 10th Amendment was understood to be the linchpin that held the entire Bill of Rights together. The amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

http://www.infowars.com/eleven-states-declare-sovereignty-over-obama%e2%80%99s-action/

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Good posting Molly,

Yes these states are doing this and for good reasons.

On the last recent visit  to China Hillory Clinton Sec. of State signed an agreement with China to continue to buy US treasuries and in return if the US government failed
to back these securities up then they have been given eminent domain over properties public and private, they could come and take your property if the US Government defaults on their end of this agreement, yes the states have a 10th amendment right to say no to the federal government oversteping power and bullying the states around! If things continue as they are going there is going to be a massive uprising in this Nation and this may just be the begining of a big showdown between states soveriegnty and the Federal Government which has been long overdue in coming.

Peace,
Fire Walker


(no changes made..."Modify" button hit inadvertently instead of "Quote"--jabcat)

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I gotcha fire walker (first post)  :HeartThrob:

Reply to your last post here; ARE THEY NUTS? Of COURSE we're going to default; it's just a matter of time. They basically just invited the Chinese army to come and take over, is that the gist of what I'm reading here?  :mshock: :sigh:

[jabcat]

If things continue as they are going there is going to be a massive uprising in this Nation and this may just be the begining of a big showdown between states soveriegnty and the Federal Government which has been long overdue in coming.

Peace,
Fire Walker

It's what Gerald Celente says is coming...a revolution.  My question is, what will happen in the meantime, and what will things become?

[Molly]

NEW CONTINENTAL CONGRESS TO MEET IN PHILADELPHIA



By NWV News writer Jim Kouri
Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
February 8, 2009
© NewsWithViews.com

Early this year, selected delegates representing the People of each of the fifty states will convene in Philadelphia to debate our constitutional crisis and establish practicable strategies the People can take, en masse, to peacefully reclaim Liberty and restore Constitutional Order.

These historical proceedings will be known as the "Continental Congress 2009."

Taking a page from the history of America's Founders, the Delegates will convene in Philadelphia across from Independence Hall for a period of several weeks to begin the virtuous tasks of organizing to resist tyranny and imposing, once again, the yoke of Law upon our servant federal government.

A series of promotional meetings is currently being held across the country to advance public interest in the initiative and to expose potential donors to this most important cause in the defense of Liberty and the Constitution.

"What must a free people do, and what is the appropriate next step, if Mr. Obama refuses to respond to our Open Letter and the Supreme Court refuses to hear the Petitions by attorneys Donofrio, Berg and Taitz challenging Obama's citizenship status?" asks Bob Schulz, executive director of We the People Foundation, the organizer of the Continental Congress 2009.

"A violation of the natural born citizen clause of the Constitution by Mr. Obama is so egregious and blatant in its nature that it marks the overt and wholesale abandonment of the Constitution by the Government, making this our "capstone grievance," he told Newswithviews.com during an exclusive interview.

According to the group, the US faces a grave constitutional crisis including:

• Endless armed Middle East conflicts without congressional Declarations of war

• Economic catastrophe resulting from a privately-owned central bank and a debt-based fiat dollar

• Deprivations of privacy and an emerging police state via the "USA Patriot Act"

• Unconstitutionally imposed direct taxes on American labor

• A president-elect who refuses to produce evidence establishing his status as a "natural born" Citizen as required by the Constitution.

• Deprivations of the Rights to a People's Militia and to Keep and Bear Arms

• Plus much more: the NAU, the Fed/Treasury bailouts, uncontrolled borders & immigration, electronic voting, etc.

• And the most grievous injury: A servant government that refuses, at every turn, to be held accountable – in any way - by failing to respond to the People's repeated First Amendment Petitions for Redress of Grievances.

Early this year, selected delegates representing each of the fifty states will convene in Philadelphia to debate constitutional crisis and establish strategies the People can take to peacefully reclaim Liberty and restore Constitutional order.



http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news124.htm

[Molly]

"Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and the Republic
for which it stands.  Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened
once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the
Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world."

---Daniel Webster





CC 2009 PREP TOUR #2

BEGINS FEB. 28!

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/2009-Pre-CC-Schedule.htm

[Raggedy Anne]

Having stumbled upon this thread and browsed over it, I'm sorry to even have opened it at all. 
I don't think it has any useful place on a forum such as this.  I will just leave it at that.

[Molly]

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


"hold fast"

G2722
κατέχω
katechō
kat-ekh'-o
From G2596 and G2192; to hold down (fast), in various applications (literally or figuratively): - have, hold (fast), keep (in memory), let, X make toward, possess, retain, seize on, stay, take, withhold.


"that which is good"

G2570
καλός
kalos
kal-os'
Of uncertain affinity; properly beautiful, but chiefly (figuratively) good (literally or morally), that is, valuable or virtuous (for appearance or use, and thus distinguished from G18, which is properly intrinsic): - X better, fair, good (-ly), honest, meet, well, worthy.

[jabcat]

I agree we are to trust the Lord in all things, and He will bring all things to our good.  However, doing that and sticking one's head in the sand and refusing to be aware of reality, may be two very different things.  We are told to be aware...not to dwell on the negative and let it overcome us, but still to be aware.  I think there's a fine balance there, and perhaps by discussing it, we can learn from each other, both to not be overcome with fear, but to also see "the signs of the times"...whatever that may mean...or not.  Educated opinions and revelations can help clarify that.  Also, discussing things such as this can allow one to vent some things.  I guess anyone can feel free to participate or not. 

If it is not edifying in any way, then I wouldn't see a reason to participate.  This thread is in the "Member's Section", and if one notices, it says "Discuss Anything Here".  And, I personally see this as UR/eschatologically related, as members have varying POVs on how these times play out and what the implications may be regarding God becoming All in All.  If it is something that's really deemed inappropriate, it will be moderated accordingly.

[Molly]

We can begin to sense the principle that "if the people lead, the leaders will follow". Sooner or later, the truth will come out. But the process of truth-telling appears to be much too slow for us to be able to plan our futures in a timely and rational way.

For example, I'm struck by the collective's lie-by-omission about radical innovation in clean energy and other sustainable solutions. Sadly, the lie is shared even by the most progressive scientists, politicians, journalists and environmentalists. To them, there can be no clean energy breakthroughs, period. Only when pressed, these mainstream scientists and pundits claim advanced energy technologies are not even worth researching because "we all know you can't break the laws of thermodynamics." They are wrong.

This is a lie because those laws are broken many, many times under nonequilibrium conditions, for example, by quantum experiments and by research on various devices that show anomalous energy coming from electromagnetic, plasma, solid state, and electrochemical devices. These experiments are systematically debunked by some of the most vocal and powerful physicists who really don't know what they're talking about. But these high priests of a decadent materialistic physics provide a convenient and effective censorship on bold new breakthroughs as the oil barons laugh all the way to the bank and the planet descends into ecological, political and economic tyranny.

The schools of Richard Heinberg (The Party's Over), George Monbiot (Heat), Michael Ruppert (Crossing the Rubicon), James Lovelock (The Revenge of Gaia), Tim Flannery (The Weather Makers), Ross Gelbspan (The Boiling Point), Michael Klare (Blood and Oil), and countless academic scientists excel at stating the problems of global climate change and dwindling supplies of oil. Their despondency about the lack of viable solutions beyond sacrifice and imminent global collapse show on virtually every page of their writings.

But many of these authors can only scoff at considering even the remotest chance we could violate any of the sacrosanct "laws" of physics, that we must evermore live with existing technologies to obtain our energy. Needless to say, their prognosis is truly grim—as it should be, under the limiting assumptions they themselves have placed on their analyses.

The sad result is an unwitting alliance between the powers-that-be and those partial truth-tellers who are articulate about the crisis itself but are woefully ignorant about the full range of solutions. Layers of truth unfurl at a frustratingly slow pace.

We all lose from this creep of perceived credibility. Greater truths seem to be embraced only in fleeting moments of tiny bite-sized increments, but drown in the cacophony of hubris and kitsch. We are led to believe that our awareness can only take on so much at a time. We are also led to believe that any true energy breakthrough could only occur in the distant future, at best.

..........


The irony here is that, those same experts who justifiably warn us of the grim consequences of our actions also deny the full range of possible solutions such as new energy. Meanwhile, some progressives working within the system are slow to respond to the problem and have not the foggiest idea about how to really solve it. Others surely do know but lie-by-omission to stay in the good graces with their powerful corporate sponsors.

Politics is about the art of what's possible, not the science of what's real. In the U.S. and other western capitalist "democracies" we are sacrificing the truth on the altar of economic expediency. The accumulation of money and power for the privileged few is what runs the world. These oligarchs perceive that authentic democracy in energy independence as a threat, because they would lose their power if new clean, cheap energy were to become available. We are talking about supplanting a multi-trillion dollar economy that underlies their immense power. That's why they are lying by omission, that's why so many inventors have been threatened and assassinated.

New energy can be introduced for the benefit of humankind by a common revolution by the people themselves. But only through a cultural-political process of truth and reconciliation can we reveal the answers with which we must develop a new consensus.


See the full presentation by Dr. Brian O'leary at--

http://www.brianoleary.info/New%20Energy%20Truth%20and%20Lies%20of%20Omission%20v2.html

[Molly]

A gift from God?  Can we pressure congress to take it?



Massive Oil Deposit Assessed in North Dakota and Montana's Bakken Formation
By Editor on December 16, 2008




Reston, VA - North Dakota and Montana have an estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in an area known as the Bakken Formation.

A U.S. Geological Survey assessment, released April 10, shows a 25-fold increase in the amount of oil that can be recovered compared to the agency's 1995 estimate of 151 million barrels of oil.



http://www.flippingthenews.com/2008/12/massive-oil-deposit-assessed-in-north-dakota-and-montana%E2%80%99s-bakken-formation/


Bakken Oil Formation In Dakota/Montana Provides USA 8 Times As Much Oil As Saudi Arabia @ $16 Per Barrel x 500 Billion Barrels
Thu, 09/11/2008 - 19:41 — Arthur Cristian
Bakken Oil Formation In Dakota/Montana Provides USA 8 Times As Much Oil As Saudi Arabia @ $16 Per Barrel x 500 Billion Barrels

THIS SHOULD BLOW YOU AWAY ......

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/5492

In our own country, we have oil fields that contain--

8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
18-times as much oil as Iraq
21-times as much oil as Kuwait
22-times as much oil as Iran
500-times as much oil as Yemen - and it's all right here in the Western United States.

HOW can this BE!?

HOW can we NOT BE extracting this!?

[Akira Takahashi]

Ha, I just gave a discussion regarding economics to a bunch of Released Time boys.  It was quite fun.  I'll be doing a flash video of it soon for my political blog (http://politicalretreat.blogspot.com.  I won't talk about my political affiliations here unless someone asks me (you can just read my blog if you really, really want to know), but I'm uncertain as to whether these are End Times, or just retarded times.

Part of this is because I'm fed up with everyone around me shouting, "The only prophecy left is the Rapture!  Can't wait to get off this Earth!" and, "Obama is definately the Antichrist!"  It's driven me into a unnatural apathy.  I'm more interested in taking political action right now to stop this crazy course of events than I am about being Raptured away.

[Molly]

I'm with you.  Let's solve this problem.  Nationalize the Bakken and we can all retire--put the money there instead of into wall street, and start cutting checks to the american people.

My new mantra--No drill, No hill.



John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

[Molly]

It will blow your mind. The U.S. Geological Service issued a report in April ('08) that only scientists and oilmen/women knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since '95) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota; western South Dakota; and extreme eastern Montana ... check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay, and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil.

The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable ... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.

'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.' says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.

'This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years,' reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' And it
stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada.

For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago.

However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves ... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 41 years straight.2. [And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from TWO YEARS AGO, people!]

U. S. Oil Discovery-Largest Reserve in the World! Stansberry Report Online - 4 /20/2006 Hidden 1,000
feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains resides the largest untapped oil reserve in the world is more than 2 TRILLION barrels.

On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/5492

[jabcat]

I'm uncertain as to whether these are End Times, or just retarded times.   :pointlaugh:

  :laugh:

Wow, I didn't know about all that oil, Molly.  So simply, what do you think MAN's agenda is for the overall cover-up?  Control?

[Molly]

I'm uncertain as to whether these are End Times, or just retarded times.   :pointlaugh:

  :laugh:

Wow, I didn't know about all that oil, Molly.  So simply, what do you think MAN's agenda is for the overall cover-up?  Control?

It's a good question, Jab.  Questions are very important.  You only ever get the answers to the questions you ask and keep asking.  The answer is a complicated one and reads like a thriller movie.  You won't get the answer all in one place, either, at least, I haven't.  I'm not in the mood to go breaking any hearts tonight, but, the answers are there for those who want the truth.

If we could see the precipice we stand on, and still keep our courage high, --I know how hard that is to do--In my own life, I've walked through fire and I've taken back the night.  But, if we could be of good courage, we are on the verge of the most unbelievably abundant life for everyone all over the world.  Free energy, --God gave it to us over 100 years ago through Nikola Tesla.  Since then, it has been continually offered to us through inventors who have been compromised, suppressed, and even killed.

Look at this oil field--the biggest oil field on the planet, right in our own backyard!  You want oil?  You can take a bath in it any day of the week.

You see, he has given us abundance beyond measure.  All we have to do is take it back.  Trust him and take it for humanity.  Lambano is an action verb.



2 Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?"
      "A staff," he replied.

3 The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground."

      Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it. 4 Then the LORD said to him,

"Reach out your hand and take it by the tail."

So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his hand.

5 "This," said the LORD, "is so that they may believe that the LORD, the God of their fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has appeared to you."

--Exodus 4