Rebuiding of the Temple unscriptural?

[Molly]

..with healing in his wings..

The wings are the chambers of the priests.

Cardinal! :cloud9:


"sun"

H8121
שׁמשׁ
shemesh
sheh'-mesh
From an unused root meaning to be brilliant; the sun; by implication the east; figuratively a ray, that is, (architecturally) a notched battlement: -  + east side (-ward), sun ([rising]), + west (-ward), window. See also H1053.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Yes, and ray and chamber are connected as is the "rib" (redeemed soul) that is returning through the wound in His side......chamber and rib are the same. Good to be rejoicing with you again, Molly! Blessings....

[Taffy]

Yeah, the reigning with Christ a thousand years . .this entire spiritual concept really does fit together like a spiritual puzzle . .. but often times, we get into discussions on one point that we don't quite get to see the entire picture.  But the thousand year reign for me IS A PICTURE of the holy of holies . . . it's not about the thousand years, it's about finding "rest".  The thousand year part is simply the sign, signifying where the rest is established . . ."in Christ" which is the Holy of holies . . .it's where the presence of God resides upon the MERCY SEAT . . . it's a SEAT . . .it's where Christ is SEATED in God's throne room.

The Melchezedek order is the order of the thousand year reign . .it's still revealing Christ.  It's not how long people will be with him in a specific state of mind before that one ends and we go to another . . .the thousand year reign is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The coming of the third day is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The destruction of the carnality of man is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The woes that were proclaimed again, to the carnal flesh of man is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  When you put the pieces all together, you do not have the destruction of God's creation in the flesh . . .you have a revelation of Jesus Christ in the Spirit.

EXACTLY, Amen. The third day is the same as the 7th day, it is like a double Sabbath, and they ARE the Spirit which is Christ, a many membered Spirit body, manifesting through a many membered glorified body.

Matt. 24: 25 Behold, I have told you before.  26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert (outer court); go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers (inner court); believe it not.  27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The "lightning" that cometh out of the east and shineth unto the west, is the sun. The sun's path came through the outer court and had there been no coverings upon the two other parts, would have risen pointing into the Holy of Holies.

Since the outer court (east facing) speaks of the flesh of man(kind), He was saying that He would come in the same way He came before......in the flesh of MAN, but this time a many membered man, which is why we were told above to not look in one place, as if looking for one singular man. Just as the High Priest walked in from outer court, to inner court, to Holy of Holies, like the path of the sun, so He has come, He will come, and He is to come, ever increasing in a body of people who are called by His name/nature.

He is coming in the clouds of glory alright. Clouds means DUST, which is why people in Jude are spoken of as clouds without water (without the Spirit). Clouds are also in thought as the smallest particle of something, which is the translation of the word twinkling, as in twinkling of an eye, the Greek word atomos, where we get the word atom from.

When He has made His holy incense (ground us to powder/dust), compounded it together (compacted together with what every joint supplieth = His perfected love), He will take two handfuls to offer up on the "day of Atonement", ie. the morning and the evening sacrifice, His left and right hand (no one can take us out of His hands).

The cloud of witnesse(S), two is the number of witness = those that have died in Christ already and those that are alive in Christ and remain, at His coming, ie. the two handfuls. They, without us cannot be made perfect, or complete (number 7 means perfect, complete, sacred) in Him.

Malachi 4: 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the SUN of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. Blessings....

wowza..
Great to see around these parts once more sis... :icon_flower:

Such an enjoyable thread :icon_flower:
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[Tony N]

He ha Tony..Tis Nothing to do  with READING..tis to do WITH undestanding the LIGHT of Knowledge Bro... :bgdance:

It actually has to do with believing what Jesus said.
I find more and more that people want to believe their own little world-view their minds make up rather than what Jesus said.

If Jesus said that His return will be as apparent as the lightening shining from the east to the west, then that is exactly what he meant. If someone comes along and says the lightening flashing from east to west represents grasshoppers crawling out of your nose, well, then, I have a problem with that. But most here would probably be impressed by such a grand NEW revelation that God did not give them.

Hello......What Jesus spoke to the public was figurative, scripture tells us so, (its that what we believe).

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:

Umm, Taffy, Jesus was not speaking in parables to His disciples in Matthew 24 or 25. And He was not speaking to the "public" in Matthew 24 or 25.

Here's proof:

Mat 24:1-3  And, coming out, Jesus went from the sanctuary. And His disciples approached to exhibit to Him the buildings of the sanctuary."  (2)  Yet He, answering, said to them, "Are you not observing all these? Verily, I am saying to you, Under no circumstances may a stone here be left on a stone, which shall not be demolished."  (3)  Now at His sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what is the sign of Thy presence and of the conclusion of the eon?

It is in that context that Jesus told them that His appearing would be like lightning appearing from the east to the west. It would be so apparent you can't miss it.

Next.

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Tony Bro :icon_flower:

When  spoke  at the passover."EAT this BREAD and Drink THIS wine", who was He speaking to THEN..the MULTITUDE?....

Figurative Dont ya Think? :icon_flower:

Using the Natural to Explain the Spiritual, but figurative...Tis Like Revelation....Or maybe you CANT Read...Tis signified...

That Is ,WORDED in symbols....

Im just waiting on this Beast Rising from the SEA with several heads and Crowns....If ya See Him Be sure to take a Picture or Two and Post it on Tent, just in case Me misses it :icon_flower:

Seeing is Believing egh  :icon_flower:

Taffy, again, Jesus spoke to the multitudes in parables so they would not see, hear or have their hearts open so that Isaiah's prophecy would come to pass.

Now then, Jesus saying "this is my body, this is my blood" is not a parable. It is a figure of speech and was told to His disciples, not the multitudes.

He is not using the natural to explain the spiritual but used a figure of speech to explain His death.

Jesus saying His return would be as apparent as lightning shining from the east to the west. That is not a parable but a FACT.

Tony , thought Id mentioned it was figurative , although I may not have explained it well enough , never the less,the Point being Terms in the Natural are used to unveil  spiritual Truths ...,




while you are still determined to see  these terms  Literally ....


Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

or this maybe? """""""""""""" signifying""""""""""""""

Voice, Heaven Earth :icon_flower:

Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.


Hbr 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more [shall not] we [escape], if we turn away from him that [speaketh] from heaven:


Hbr 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.


Hbr 12:27 And this [word], Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.


Hbr 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:


Hbr 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.

First the natural THEN the Spiritual


1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Tony .youll see what you see ,  :icon_flower:

Be blessed

Taffy, what is the natural and the spiritual of these two sayings of Jesus:

"Mat 24:27 For even as the lightning is coming out from the east and is appearing as far as the west, thus shall be the presence of the Son of Mankind."

Mat 26:26-28  "Now at their eating, Jesus, taking the bread, and blessing, breaks it, and, giving to the disciples, said, "Take, eat. This is My body."  (27)  And taking the cup and giving thanks, He gives it to them, saying, "Drink of it all,  (28)  for this is My blood of the new covenant, that is shed for many for the pardon of sins."

[Taffy]

Taffy, what is the natural and the spiritual of these two sayings of Jesus:

"Mat 24:27 For even as the lightning is coming out from the east and is appearing as far as the west, thus shall be the presence of the Son of Mankind."

Mat 26:26-28  "Now at their eating, Jesus, taking the bread, and blessing, breaks it, and, giving to the disciples, said, "Take, eat. This is My body."  (27)  And taking the cup and giving thanks, He gives it to them, saying, "Drink of it all,  (28)  for this is My blood of the new covenant, that is shed for many for the pardon of sins."

Hi Tony,
There are a few suggestions else where on this thread which for me give a very good explaination of Lightening Coming from the East to the West , spoken After the Literal Temple.

I see Lightening AS a Brightness( SUN, DAY, LIGHT,Revelation, UNVEILING,Righteousness etc) , A LIGHT in regards to Christ, The LIGHT which SHINES in the Heart Of Men ,The MORNING Star Rising in our Hearts..as expounded some by Nathan , Cardinal :icon_flower: :icon_flower:

His written wording of the Natural ,physical to explain the Spiritual Reality regarding the Literal  and Spiritual Temple.



Christ , The Hidden Manna, the Hope within US all, whos body (Bread) was Broken and Blood Spilt ( wine) for the remission of Sins, Who is the New Covenant., Each  to Partake of This Bread and wine making  US whole AND Complete In HIM, receiving a Portion of Faith, Christ who is the Substance of IT, till WE ALL be Brought to the UNITY in HIM.

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[Molly]

"Mat 24:27 For even as the lightning is coming out from the east and is appearing as far as the west, thus shall be the presence of the Son of Mankind."

The only place I've seen lightning do that is in Kansas.   A boyfriend dragged me out in a field during a thunderstorm to see the lightning (stupid, I know).  No trees--so you have a 360degree panorama of the entire sky, and yes the lightning would do that --all across the horizon--jumping from cloud to cloud --it was everywhere at once and spectacular.  So that is the literal meaning of it to me--all eyes will see it because it will happen everywhere at once.  Christ will be everywhere. And, again, literally,  I'm not sure how that could happen unless he is appearing suddenly in every son scattered across the earth.

Again, literally, from Ezekiel, the east gate of the temple is closed until the prince appears.  It is now literally closed in the temple of Jerusalem (not that there's any temple there anyways). I read that when the muslims occupied that city during the ottoman empire, they closed that gate because of the prophecy and put a cemetary there to bar it.   But east to west connotes entering by the king's gate and walking straight through to the holy of holies, which only the high priest could do.



1Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

2Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

3It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

--Eze 44

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I'll get back to you later today Fireinfolding, thanks for the imput, Amen. What I love about the symbolism, is do you realize that right now it is happening in that when two (or more) "clouds" are getting together, we have "lightning"/illumination? Blessings....

[Taffy]

Yo Fire
Great Post ... :icon_flower: :icon_flower: :icon_flower:.

Clouds are quite facinating,like ya mentioned , A covering, Messengers, Christ himself depicted Many times as Single Cloud

Exd 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: 
Exd 13:22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, [from] before the people

I cant help again to this in relation to the Two Cs.... :dontknow:

are there Not two Pillars at the Door of the Temple?

Deu 31:15 And the LORD appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud: and the pillar of the cloud stood over the door of the tabernacle.

2Ch 3:15 Also he made before the house two pillars of thirty and five cubits high, and the chapiter that [was] on the top of each of them [was] five cubits.


2Ch 3:16 And he made chains, [as] in the oracle, and put [them] on the heads of the pillars; and made an hundred pomegranates, and put [them] on the chains.


2Ch 3:17 And he reared up the pillars before the temple, one on the right hand, and the other on the left; and called the name of that on the right hand Jachin, and the name of that on the left Boaz.

maybe someone can throw some light on this :icon_flower:

Twas something we talking about the Other day...Twin Towers(Pillars) :dontknow:

[peacemaker]

"Ask, and you will receive; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks will receive, and anyone who seeks will find, and the door will be opened to those who knock. Would any of you who are fathers give your son a stone when he asks for bread? Or would you give him a snake when he asks for a fish? As bad as you are, you know how to give good things to your children. How much more, then, will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!" (Matthew 7:7-11)

"If anyone hears my voice and opens the door [of their heart], I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." (Revelation 3:20)

So, I say, keep on asking, searching, and knock, knock, knocking on heavens door!

Much truth and comfort, as He never fails to respond, and is ALWAYS present.
Excellent write my friends; brothers and sisters.

peacemaker

[rosered]

God thunders marvellously with his voice; great things does he, which we cannot comprehend.


Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou [on] the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.


Job 37:7 He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.
Job 37:8 Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places.


Job 37:9 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north.
Job 37:10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.


Job 37:11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:

Job 37:12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth.

Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy. !!   three reasons why !!
Job 37:14 Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God.
Job 37:15 Dost thou know when God disposed them, and caused the light of his cloud to shine?
Job 37:16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?


more on Jobs  Clouds /WITNESSES  :thumbsup:

Mar 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receives me: and whosoever shall receive me, receives not me, but him that sent me. !!   3 fold witness

[Taffy]

Prov 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

False ministers even as clouds without rain

As Rosie would say Sis" Good to see ya Back in the Saddle" :icon_flower:

Yup, with out RAIN, DRY and Arid Speaking Dead Mans Dust( food) :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.


Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou [on] the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.


Job 37:7 He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.


Job 37:8 Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places.


Job 37:9 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north.


Job 37:10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.


Job 37:11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:

Job 37:12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth.

Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy. !!   three reasons why !!
Job 37:14 Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God.
Job 37:15 Dost thou know when God disposed them, and caused the light of his cloud to shine?
Job 37:16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?


more on Jobs  Clouds /WITNESSES  :thumbsup:

Mar 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receives me: and whosoever shall receive me, receives not me, but him that sent me. !!   3 fold witness

Yehaaa, ya posted over me sis..... :icon_flower:

Amen! :icon_flower:

[rosered]

Prov 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

False ministers even as clouds without rain

As Rosie would say Sis" Good to see ya Back in the Saddle" :icon_flower:

Yup, with out RAIN, DRY and Arid Speaking Dead Mans Dust( food) :icon_flower:

hee hee , yeppers  trying to keep the adders off the horses heels  , so we can  ride in the saddle again  :winkgrin:
Dan/judges  shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that bites the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.


Gen 49:18 I have waited for thy salvation, O LORD.

 I wait  for the Lord , His docrtine /teaching as the dew of Heaven  :icon_flower:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Trip momentarily delayed........great word coming forth everybody! And so, Fireinfolding first post, Amen, Galilee = circuit. We are "caught up" in a circuit, in the sense of one revolution, as in a whirlwind being composed of revolutions. Generation means the same thing. So when revelation of the Spirit comes to us, quickening us, we are at that moment, caught up in the Spirit another revolution "higher". This "whirlwind" IS the pillar of cloud, and the cloud we were told to meet Him in.

And so by this process, we no longer know Him after the flesh, but after the Spirit (revelation), and once we see Him in this "new" form, the flesh of Him disappears, and we begin to only see Him as He is now. As He is now, is in the twinkling of an eye, the split second the new revelation of His nature is revealed to you. It is not a moment in time, but a "non-moment" of Spirit which is eternal, ie. heaven/spirit and earth "met". In this process we are translated out of the kingdom of darkness (carnal mind) and into the kingdom of light (mind of Christ), a little at a time, awaiting the final trump (revelation) that brings about the redemption of our body. Blessings.....

[rosered]

   so true!  , i love Job one of my most fav books of the Word . :HeartThrob:

[Taffy]

This is definately something I need to study more about G, but yes I see them as you put them forth its just connecting them to Him aright in my own studies, which may be why I didnt catch the twin towers   Im coming up behind on this, you think these might play into the part Samson had in seeking placement between two pillars who killed more in his death then in His life, in somekind of similitude or maybe it has no relevance at all? Not sure but something I'd like to seek out and understnad more of myself

Likewise sis , need to see more connections and a Bigger picture me self,..Pomegrantes always come acroos as statutes  of LAW,..96 Rows'''', "sown to the pahrisees , specially upon their Shoulders,,"Burden,..can see some things,,but just need to Understand more for confirmation..Nice point on solomon.... :icon_flower:

[Taffy]

"Ask, and you will receive; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks will receive, and anyone who seeks will find, and the door will be opened to those who knock. Would any of you who are fathers give your son a stone when he asks for bread? Or would you give him a snake when he asks for a fish? As bad as you are, you know how to give good things to your children. How much more, then, will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!" (Matthew 7:7-11)

"If anyone hears my voice and opens the door [of their heart], I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." (Revelation 3:20)

So, I say, keep on asking, searching, and knock, knock, knocking on heavens door!

Much truth and comfort, as He never fails to respond, and is ALWAYS present.
Excellent write my friends; brothers and sisters.

peacemaker

Hi PM,
This threads been so active , ya post got by me Bro..... :thumbsup:
Christ In us Our HOPE of Glory :icon_flower:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: What He gave me on not discerning the Lord's body is that it is when we don't yet have the revelation that His body is Spirit now, and that He is in EVERYONE, ie. He is the light of ALL MEN that come into the world. Blessings....

[Taffy]

:cloud9: What He gave me on not discerning the Lord's body is that it is when we don't yet have the revelation that His body is Spirit now, and that He is in EVERYONE, ie. He is the light of ALL MEN that come into the world. Blessings....

Kinda see it this way meself, making Christ Of NON EFFECT

For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

For those who fell from Grace ,For if we JUDGE ourselves , we will NOT be judged.

1Cr 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

[Taffy]

Well until some kind of clarity comes bursting in

Tis one which sits with you UNTIL...yup I agree :icon_flower:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The way He gave it to me is this.......there were two trees in the midst of the garden = table of shewbread and the golden candlestick. If then, the inner court is the midst of HIS garden, then the whole thing, including the outer court which is representative of all men (as opposed to the Spirit filled HG baptized spiritual priesthood of the inner court realm),then the whole garden is His. He is the treasure hid in the field, the pearl of great price.

We are asleep (dead) unawakened until Christ has begun to rise in our hearts (daystar arising). He is there, but not rising/resurrecting. This is why He said I have a baptism to be baptized with and how I am bound or constrained until it be accomplished. He is bound in us, until the Spirit baptism of the HG baptizes us.

Ge 22:13 - "And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a RAM caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son."

The RAM was BOUND, and offered up for a burnt offering. And so, in the repeat of this pattern, Christ the "ram" is bound in us,  until presented for a burnt offering, ie. the Holy Ghost comes upon us with tongues of FIRE. Christ IS the firstfruits offering, and G-d will supply the offering.

And it is this same fire of G-d that begins to consume all that which is not like G-d, ie. the tares of Matt. 13, as the angels (messages of TRUTH, or messengers of TRUTH), come at the order of G-d to do His bidding, which is to throw the tares into the fire, that the end of this "world" or fleshly dominion (empowered by Satan through the tares he planted while man slept in the dust), ends. Blessings....

PS. This is why the gospel is stated to be......the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Hear that in a different way......He is "dead" (outer court/not known even as we are known), buried (inner court/flesh of Him no longer seen), and resurrected (Holy of Holies/manifested son/s) IN US.

[Cardinal]

Kinda see it this way meself, making Christ Of NON EFFECT

For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

For those who fell from Grace ,For if we JUDGE ourselves , we will NOT be judged.

1Cr 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Right, Taffy, He is made of none effect by not pressing in to see Him as He is now, also. It is imperative that we press in to see Him as He is now, and see His body in all, because without this revelation we are not permitted to partake of communion (being fed the Christ nature/bread contained in His secret pavilions), which is the basis for the feast of tabernacles being fulfilled in the Spirit. Blessings....

[Nathan]

Wow!  What a great time of revelating in the Spirit!!!  This is so exciting to read your thoughts and see how things fit, yet there is still much growth transpiring at the same time.  

One of the predominant things that has been resonating in me today as I play catch up on this conversation is . . .two-fold. One piece is birthing from the clouds . . .the other from the pillars . . . I see the two pillars as the two witnesses spoken of in Revelation, referrenced as the anointed ones of Zechariah 4 . .which for me, is the Holy Spirit and the Son that stand before the Father's throne . . .which of course would be God.

And yet another . . .this is like observing a diamond . . .it's the same diamond, but as you turn it, you see innumerable things each time the light hits it from a different angle.  In this case, the pillars are my diamond.  And as I mentioned, they appear to me as the Spirit and Son that support the foundation (cornerstone anyone?) of the house of God . . .which is again, us . . .and it is me.  Then in turning this diamond, I also see the pillars representing the former and latter rain . . .these two rains are what the kingdom is made of . . .they are what create such a great bounty that the reaper over-runs the planter . . .that Ephraim overruns the inheritance of Menessah.

When you are in the spirit, everything is at lightning speed.

As it was in the days of Noah  .. .so shall it be in the time of the coming of the son of man.  We discussed yesterday that the 7th day and the 3rd day are one and the same.  The third day from Christ, who came on the 4th day, becomes the 7th day.  We are "in" the last day of the last days.  Can you imagine???  All your friends and family seeing what you're seeing . .sharing what you're sharing . .because in the last days . . .there will be no teaching . .it will all be based on "seeing-only" relationship in Christ.  

Flesh and blood can not teach what you are sharing.  This is why some tend to struggle with these kinds of conversations.  You can quote the Scripture that "led" you to this place, but it doesn't explain it.  It's simply a sign that points to the gate, the door . .which is Christ, who is the volume of the book.  But it's not the book itself that does the revealing.  It's the Spirit that inspired the book to be written.  And the Word changes form . .from that which is without, to that which is within.

Using the Word for proof of what you're sharing is not faith.  And as mentioned earlier . . .if your not living in faith, you're living in sin (missing the mark).  

Hmmm . . .missing the "mark".  What is the mark?  Knee-jerk response is that it's the mark of the beast . .but that's nothing more than a copy-cat of the true mark.  Because in Ezekiel we see that it was those who longed for the presence of God that had the mark upon their foreheads (renewed minds) which protected them from the ominous judgment  of the first destruction of the original temple by the Babylonians.  So for me, sin simply means we're walking in the wrong mark.  We're walking by the mark of man rather than the mark that the message of truth embeds in our hearts and minds.

[peacemaker]

"The pillars, appear to be two inflectional points of an apparent path; life and death."

For example, a drought and a flood are not disconnected events, but opposite aspects of rainfall.


peacemaker

[Taffy]

Boy that was a mess! sorry  :grin:

Nah it wasnt , I can see what ya saying too, but also In what Nat has Shared .

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