Rebuiding of the Temple unscriptural?

[Molly]

6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

8We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

9Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

10Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

12So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

--2Cor 4


Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

[Molly]

19And [so that you can know and understand] what is the immeasurable and unlimited and surpassing greatness of His power in and for us who believe, as demonstrated in the working of His mighty strength,

    20Which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His [own] right hand in the heavenly [places],

    21Far above all rule and authority and power and dominion and every name that is named [above every title that can be conferred], not only in this age and in this world, but also in the age and the world which are to come.

--Eph 1

   

Colossians 3:1
IF THEN you have been raised with Christ [to a new life, thus sharing His resurrection from the dead], aim at and seek the [rich, eternal treasures] that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.




1 John
5 And who is the one who conquers the world  but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Rom 8
  37Yet amid all these things we are more than conquerors and gain a surpassing victory through Him Who loved us.


Rev 3
21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

[Molly]

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

--Acts 15





12And it was told King David, The Lord has blessed the house of Obed-edom and all that belongs to him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obed-edom into the City of David with rejoicing;

    13And when those who bore the ark of the Lord had gone six paces, he sacrificed an ox and a fatling.

    14And David danced before the Lord with all his might, clad in a linen ephod [a priest's upper garment].

    15So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting and with the sound of the trumpet.

--2 Samuel 6



17They brought in the ark of the Lord and set it in its place inside the tent which David had pitched for it, and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the Lord.

--2 Sam 6

[Molly]

11 In that day
    I will restore the fallen booth  of David:
    I will repair its gaps,
    restore its ruin,
    and rebuild it as in the days of old, 
    12 so that they may possess
    the remnant of Edom
    and all the nations
    that are called by My name  —
          [this is] the LORD's declaration—

    He will do this.

--Amos 9



5 For He will conceal me in His shelter
    in the day of adversity;
    He will hide me under the cover of His tent;
    He will set me high on a rock.

6 Then my head will be high
    above my enemies around me;
    I will offer sacrifices in His tent with shouts of joy.
    I will sing and make music to the LORD. 

    7 LORD, hear my voice when I call;
    be gracious to me and answer me. 

    8 In Your behalf my heart says, "Seek My face."
    LORD, I will seek Your face

--Psa 27

[Tony N]

He ha Tony..Tis Nothing to do  with READING..tis to do WITH undestanding the LIGHT of Knowledge Bro... :bgdance:

It actually has to do with believing what Jesus said.
I find more and more that people want to believe their own little world-view their minds make up rather than what Jesus said.

If Jesus said that His return will be as apparent as the lightening shining from the east to the west, then that is exactly what he meant. If someone comes along and says the lightening flashing from east to west represents grasshoppers crawling out of your nose, well, then, I have a problem with that. But most here would probably be impressed by such a grand NEW revelation that God did not give them.

Hello......What Jesus spoke to the public was figurative, scripture tells us so, (its that what we believe).

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:

Umm, Taffy, Jesus was not speaking in parables to His disciples in Matthew 24 or 25. And He was not speaking to the "public" in Matthew 24 or 25.

Here's proof:

Mat 24:1-3  And, coming out, Jesus went from the sanctuary. And His disciples approached to exhibit to Him the buildings of the sanctuary."  (2)  Yet He, answering, said to them, "Are you not observing all these? Verily, I am saying to you, Under no circumstances may a stone here be left on a stone, which shall not be demolished."  (3)  Now at His sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what is the sign of Thy presence and of the conclusion of the eon?

It is in that context that Jesus told them that His appearing would be like lightning appearing from the east to the west. It would be so apparent you can't miss it.

Next.

.
Tony Bro :icon_flower:

When  spoke  at the passover."EAT this BREAD and Drink THIS wine", who was He speaking to THEN..the MULTITUDE?....

Figurative Dont ya Think? :icon_flower:

Using the Natural to Explain the Spiritual, but figurative...Tis Like Revelation....Or maybe you CANT Read...Tis signified...

That Is ,WORDED in symbols....

Im just waiting on this Beast Rising from the SEA with several heads and Crowns....If ya See Him Be sure to take a Picture or Two and Post it on Tent, just in case Me misses it :icon_flower:

Seeing is Believing egh  :icon_flower:

Taffy, again, Jesus spoke to the multitudes in parables so they would not see, hear or have their hearts open so that Isaiah's prophecy would come to pass.

Now then, Jesus saying "this is my body, this is my blood" is not a parable. It is a figure of speech and was told to His disciples, not the multitudes.

He is not using the natural to explain the spiritual but used a figure of speech to explain His death.

Jesus saying His return would be as apparent as lightning shining from the east to the west. That is not a parable but a FACT.

[Molly]

Tony--

Don't you know that Solomon's temple is in the shape of a man--with the holy of holies being the head, the cherabim the eyes, the ark the nose(breath) and mouth(speech), the holy place the trunk of the body, the altar of incense the heart, the priests chambers on the right and left the two arms, the 5 lavars on each side the fingers of each hand, the pillars of Jachim and Boaz the legs, the altar of sacrifice the feet?

Tony, how is it that Jacob could fall asleep on a rock pillow and climb a staircase to God--entering into the holy of holies directly and meeting God face to face?

O such myteries!  It's all spiritual!

How is it that King David of the tribe of Judah, the tribe of kings, can put on the ephod of the high priest and dance before the open tent housing the ark atop mount Zion in the city of David--dance and sing before the ark for all to see?

Adam, too, is king and priest, as is our Lord Jesus.

We, also, a holy people, a set apart people, a royal priesthood, representing Christ, ambassadors of God, returning from heaven and beseeching others:  be ye reconciled to God.

[Taffy]

He ha Tony..Tis Nothing to do  with READING..tis to do WITH undestanding the LIGHT of Knowledge Bro... :bgdance:

It actually has to do with believing what Jesus said.
I find more and more that people want to believe their own little world-view their minds make up rather than what Jesus said.

If Jesus said that His return will be as apparent as the lightening shining from the east to the west, then that is exactly what he meant. If someone comes along and says the lightening flashing from east to west represents grasshoppers crawling out of your nose, well, then, I have a problem with that. But most here would probably be impressed by such a grand NEW revelation that God did not give them.

Hello......What Jesus spoke to the public was figurative, scripture tells us so, (its that what we believe).

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:

Umm, Taffy, Jesus was not speaking in parables to His disciples in Matthew 24 or 25. And He was not speaking to the "public" in Matthew 24 or 25.

Here's proof:

Mat 24:1-3  And, coming out, Jesus went from the sanctuary. And His disciples approached to exhibit to Him the buildings of the sanctuary."  (2)  Yet He, answering, said to them, "Are you not observing all these? Verily, I am saying to you, Under no circumstances may a stone here be left on a stone, which shall not be demolished."  (3)  Now at His sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what is the sign of Thy presence and of the conclusion of the eon?

It is in that context that Jesus told them that His appearing would be like lightning appearing from the east to the west. It would be so apparent you can't miss it.

Next.

.
Tony Bro :icon_flower:

When  spoke  at the passover."EAT this BREAD and Drink THIS wine", who was He speaking to THEN..the MULTITUDE?....

Figurative Dont ya Think? :icon_flower:

Using the Natural to Explain the Spiritual, but figurative...Tis Like Revelation....Or maybe you CANT Read...Tis signified...

That Is ,WORDED in symbols....

Im just waiting on this Beast Rising from the SEA with several heads and Crowns....If ya See Him Be sure to take a Picture or Two and Post it on Tent, just in case Me misses it :icon_flower:

Seeing is Believing egh  :icon_flower:

Taffy, again, Jesus spoke to the multitudes in parables so they would not see, hear or have their hearts open so that Isaiah's prophecy would come to pass.

Now then, Jesus saying "this is my body, this is my blood" is not a parable. It is a figure of speech and was told to His disciples, not the multitudes.

He is not using the natural to explain the spiritual but used a figure of speech to explain His death.

Jesus saying His return would be as apparent as lightning shining from the east to the west. That is not a parable but a FACT.

Tony , thought Id mentioned it was figurative , although I may not have explained it well enough , never the less,the Point being Terms in the Natural are used to unveil  spiritual Truths ...,




while you are still determined to see  these terms  Literally ....


Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

or this maybe? """""""""""""" signifying""""""""""""""

Voice, Heaven Earth :icon_flower:

Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.


Hbr 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more [shall not] we [escape], if we turn away from him that [speaketh] from heaven:


Hbr 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.


Hbr 12:27 And this [word], Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.


Hbr 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:


Hbr 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.

First the natural THEN the Spiritual


1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Tony .youll see what you see ,  :icon_flower:

Be blessed

[Nathan]

Just a thought for consideration...I personally tend to think there won't be a temple rebuilt, that we are the temple, and that we are the house of God and house of prayer, but I may not be correct in that...one reason I say that is, if the church (ecclesia) are the called out people and not a building with a steeple, then in turn, how could a building with a steeple be called those things  :dontknow:...don't get that...anyway though, for the sake of this discussion, if there were a temple rebuilt/sacrifices offered, would those things necessarily have to be sanctioned (and accepted) by God?   Could it be like a lot things we do "in His name"...our own doing and not His...on the other hand, why would He have it measured?  just thoughts...I like Nathan's statements that all can have a voice about our understandings within scripture...part of how we learn  :thumbsup:.

The church is called out people
Not a building with a steeple
Could a building with a steeple be like Him?

Not a hand and not a hammer
Not a whisper, not a stammer
Builds the Temple of His people once again.



Mark 14:58
"We heard him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple and in three days will build another, not made by man.' "

Im reading this thread from the beginning and this verse right here is proceeded by a false witness account of what Jesus said, not a true witness, look here starting with Mark 14:57

Mark 14:57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying, We heard him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple and in three days will build another, not made by man

Just thought I'd bring that forward here

Very tough to just read all the way through to catch up without wanting to respond to each post.  But to this raising up of the temple . . .there was a question asked as to whether we were in that third day from Jesus saying those words . . and my answer to that would be a resounding YES . . . a day is as a thousand years . . . the "like as" principle is really one of the great keys to seeing things spiritually rather than morally (2nd dimension) or literally (1st dimension).  There have been countless references to the "last days" people have surmized over the years.  Peter said 2,000 years ago that the upper room experince was the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy which stated "last days" . . .and yet the rapture holders still perceive we are in the last days . . .which has been going on for 2,000 years?

And now, to that I can say, yes, but they aren't seeing it the same way as I (imagine that!)
There is much controversy over timelines. . . but when following strictly with the geneologies documented, you can measure it was 4 thousand years from Adam to Jesus . . .4 days . . .on the 4th day of creation, the sun, moon and stars where created . .things that project and reflect light upon the earth.  And on that 4th day, Jesus proclaimed  that 3 days from there, "he" would build this church that was torn down by the blindness and rebellion of men.  And that was stated 2,000 years ago . . .which is two complete days.  Which then means that we are NOW entering into the THIRD DAY of the fulfillment of that temple being built.

[Nathan]

3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

7And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

8And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

9And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

--Acts 9


Paul says he is the first to receive salvation--that he will be an example to all who will receive salvation.

There are other men on that road with Paul, but they have a different experience.   They hear a voice, but we are not told what it said to them.  They see no man.  They see no light.  But,  Paul sees a blinding light and the Lord Jesus.  He says, Who are you?  Paul is left blinded by the light and the others have to carry him home.

Why don't the others see it?  Paul's experience is different than theirs.  I think it is because this blinding light is coming from the inside.  He is being shown the Christ within.

Which would make sense why Paul said that God revealed His Son in me so THAT I might preach Him

Ha!  I am not what I perceive or feel I am . . .I am what he's proclaimed me to be . . a priest and a king!  (and that's just for starters.)

[Nathan]

Me too, I cant yet understand why a third physical building would be needed, we have Jerasalem below and we have the Jerusalem above, the one below is spiritually called Sodom Egypt where our Lord was crucified. We have a rebuilding of of a temple yet we are told that WE are the temple where the Spirit of God actually is and that we are to build each other up, that WE are the living stones of this great temple where God and Christ are the true temple of it offering spiritual sacrifices (so sacrifices are there but spiritually understood according to the spiritual priesthood) given we are a holy nation not a geographical location according to that which is above. I mean even our evening prayer with outstreched hands are as the insence (prayers of the saints in the house of prayer) is as a sacrifice as even the fruit of our lips is counted as one etc etc etc.

You can even similitude of the temple "adorned" (which the disciples beheld) and actually admired and the reproof of letting ourselves not seek the outer adornment but of the inner adornment etc.

Then the "measure" of the temple, is not Christ our full measure unto which we are to grow up into? Did He not speak of the cubit of our stature and is not cubits also part of the picture? Is not the perfect man (even the measure of a man, that of an angel) even Christ (as Paul indicates them recieving him as) some sort of spiritual truth in regards to 144 when you see Job (also named the perfect man) who lived 140 years and 4 generations? I mean theres something hidden in all this as I see it, I dont have it figured out but theres no doubt something isnt in all these things as they are worded like this everywhere. Look at the first and last stone that too is Christ who also represents the same stone when it speaks of the building of the wall, its the same stone as seen on the throne, its the same stone laid in Zion, its the same stone which reflects light in her, symbolism is beautiful and perfect and melt together as one. So I cant say theres no temple because WE are the temple, yet in the same breath it says there is no temple and that God and the Lamb are the temple and when it comes to measuring the temple what then is measured? And in regards to measures (as mentioned throughout) we receive a measure of faith, Gods love is expressed in heights, depths, lengths and widths, and the full measure of Christ is mentioned etc etc. Its really endless. But something tells me I just cant grasp what might be spoken of in spiritual truths and the confusion that might exist is with the mixture of fleshly understanding verses spiritual because I still see in part here.

I can't find the post I read that you also wrote when dealing with chamber rooms . .but for me, the first thing that comes to mind is intimacy.  God doesn't want us to know "about" him, he wants us to know things intimately "in" him.  It's not about what my head has figured out by applying Scripture literally . .that's why I do believe it's worth the time to push others past their comfort zones of thinking . .there's so much more "in" God than there is "about" God. 

And to this measuring the outer temple  . . . Molly has a great perspective in seeing the tabernacle, both Moses and Solomon's, is orchestrated AFTER THE IMAGE of Christ.  The outercourt is his body . . .it is our natural efforts.  It is the infancy stages of a believer (salvation and water baptism).  And when John is told "not" to measure the outer court . .for me, that means we're not to judge each other by their works . . their outer efforts . . .their actions, lifesyles . . .

Nuts, wife's calling . .I gotta go pick up a truck in the shop.

Blessings to you . . I'll try to drop in later again.

[Molly]

Just a thought for consideration...I personally tend to think there won't be a temple rebuilt, that we are the temple, and that we are the house of God and house of prayer, but I may not be correct in that...one reason I say that is, if the church (ecclesia) are the called out people and not a building with a steeple, then in turn, how could a building with a steeple be called those things  :dontknow:...don't get that...anyway though, for the sake of this discussion, if there were a temple rebuilt/sacrifices offered, would those things necessarily have to be sanctioned (and accepted) by God?   Could it be like a lot things we do "in His name"...our own doing and not His...on the other hand, why would He have it measured?  just thoughts...I like Nathan's statements that all can have a voice about our understandings within scripture...part of how we learn  :thumbsup:.

The church is called out people
Not a building with a steeple
Could a building with a steeple be like Him?

Not a hand and not a hammer
Not a whisper, not a stammer
Builds the Temple of His people once again.



Mark 14:58
"We heard him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple and in three days will build another, not made by man.' "

Im reading this thread from the beginning and this verse right here is proceeded by a false witness account of what Jesus said, not a true witness, look here starting with Mark 14:57

Mark 14:57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying, We heard him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple and in three days will build another, not made by man

Just thought I'd bring that forward here

Very tough to just read all the way through to catch up without wanting to respond to each post.  But to this raising up of the temple . . .there was a question asked as to whether we were in that third day from Jesus saying those words . . and my answer to that would be a resounding YES . . . a day is as a thousand years . . . the "like as" principle is really one of the great keys to seeing things spiritually rather than morally (2nd dimension) or literally (1st dimension).  There have been countless references to the "last days" people have surmized over the years.  Peter said 2,000 years ago that the upper room experince was the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy which stated "last days" . . .and yet the rapture holders still perceive we are in the last days . . .which has been going on for 2,000 years?

And now, to that I can say, yes, but they aren't seeing it the same way as I (imagine that!)
There is much controversy over timelines. . . but when following strictly with the geneologies documented, you can measure it was 4 thousand years from Adam to Jesus . . .4 days . . .on the 4th day of creation, the sun, moon and stars where created . .things that project and reflect light upon the earth.  And on that 4th day, Jesus proclaimed  that 3 days from there, "he" would build this church that was torn down by the blindness and rebellion of men.  And that was stated 2,000 years ago . . .which is two complete days.  Which then means that we are NOW entering into the THIRD DAY of the fulfillment of that temple being built.

In regards to the one who was bearing a false witness against him seems to repeat what he thought he heard, but interestingly it does show what was said (in ones own words) that was considered a false witness against Christ's words. Even if it was simply repeating what they thought they understood him saying, them stating that in two ways is listed as a false witness. Yikes huh?

His words are recorded, the destroying of the temple he was speaking of was His own body (which WE are now) and given He was raised up arent we raised up with Him?


John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

They then refer to the temple it took them 46 years to build (you know this ofcourse)


John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of HIS BODY


Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise US up, and we shall live in his sight.

Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.


1Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures


Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.


John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

20 Therefore the Jews said, "This sanctuary took 46 years to build, and will You raise it up in three days?"

--John 2

The Pharisees misunderstood him, too.  That's because he was standing in front of the temple when he said it.  So, they decided he was a terrorist who was going to destroy the temple,  (and somehow supernaturally build it again in three days).


"His words are recorded, the destroying of the temple he was speaking of was His own body (which WE are now) and given He was raised up arent we raised up with Him?"


Yes, but as Reformer keeps telling us ("Jesus wants his body back"), it's not complete, yet.


I love that teaching,  Nathan, that we are in the third day of the completion of God's temple.

[Molly]

wow And he was raised up in the morning, at the beginning of the third day. :mshock:

We could be close!



1 When  the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so they could go and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week,  they went to the tomb at sunrise. 3 They were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone from the entrance to the tomb for us?" 4 Looking up, they observed that the stone—which was very large—had been rolled away. 5 When  they entered the tomb,  they saw a young man dressed  in a long white  robe sitting on the right side; they were amazed and alarmed.

   6 "Don't be alarmed," he told them. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene,  who was crucified. He has been resurrected!  He is not here! See the place where they put Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples and Peter,  'He is going ahead of you to Galilee;  you will see Him there just as He told you.'

--Mark 16


[ahead of you into] "Galilee"

G1056
Γαλιλαία
Galilaia
gal-il-ah-yah
Of hebrew origin [H1551]; Galilaea (that is, the heathen circle), a region of Palestine: - Galilee.



H1551
גּלילה    גּליל
gâlîyl  gâlîylâh
gaw-leel', gaw-lee-law'
The same as H1550; a circle (with the article); Galil (as a special circuit) in the North of Palestine: - Galilee.


H1550
גּליל
gâlîyl
gaw-leel'
From H1556; a valve of a folding door (as turning); also a ring (as round): - folding, ring.

[Molly]

I think I missed what reformer might have said, I didnt catch it, I'll go back and read it

So were not raised up with Him in some other sense? 

Wheres the study on the third day Im missing out on?

It's just something that Reformer puts at the end of all his posts, lol.

"Jesus wants his body back."   I think I have that right, I've read it enough.

Nathan on the third day is a few posts back.  He said we are in the third day of Christ raising his temple (year 3000).

Do you think he's raising up the Melchizadek priests first? :mshock:


Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[rosered]

 


 Hi I can now post in  here wow ! I was locked out for the longest time  
:thumbsup:  Hi all ............

  Christ being the Head ,  seems Reformer  has a signature that says ''Jesus wants His body Back ''   :winkgrin:

1Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Jhn 21:14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.

 do we also get to be raised up the 3rd day ?
  I know Laurus was  on the 4th day ?  and Jesus  raised him up  out of sleep/death

they, the disciples  thought he was sleeping
Jhn 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

[rosered]

   uho !  Molly already answered  , sorry i am soooo slow  again , its looking up scriptures  that slows me down  :msealed:

[Molly]

1 The heavens declare the glory of God,
   and the sky  proclaims the work of His hands.
   2 Day after day they pour out speech;
   night after night they communicate knowledge.

   3 There is no speech; there are no words;
   their voice is not heard.

   4 Their message  has gone out to all the earth,
   and their words to the ends of the inhabited world.
   In the heavens  He has pitched a tent for the sun.

   5 It is like a groom coming from the  bridal chamber;
   it rejoices like an athlete running a course.

   6 It rises from one end of the heavens
   and circles  to their other end;
   nothing is hidden from its heat.

   7 The instruction of the LORD is perfect,
   reviving the soul;
   the testimony of the LORD is trustworthy,
   making the inexperienced wise.

   8 The precepts of the LORD are right,
   making the heart glad;
   the commandment of the LORD is radiant,
   making the eyes light up.

   9 The fear of the LORD is pure,
   enduring forever;
   the ordinances of the LORD are reliable
   and altogether righteous.

   10 They are more desirable than gold—
   than an abundance of pure gold;
   and sweeter than honey—
   than honey dripping from the comb.

   11 In addition, Your servant is warned by them;
   there is great reward in keeping them.

   12 Who perceives his unintentional sins?
   Cleanse me from my hidden faults.

   13 Moreover, keep Your servant from willful sins;
   do not let them rule over me.
   Then I will be innocent,
   and cleansed from blatant rebellion.

  14 May the words of my mouth
   and the meditation of my heart
   be acceptable to You,
   LORD, my rock and my Redeemer.

--Psa 19

[Molly]

I think I missed what reformer might have said, I didnt catch it, I'll go back and read it

So were not raised up with Him in some other sense? 

Wheres the study on the third day Im missing out on?

It's just something that Reformer puts at the end of all his posts, lol.

"Jesus wants his body back."   I think I have that right, I've read it enough.

Nathan on the third day is a few posts back.  He said we are in the third day of Christ raising his temple (year 3000).

Do you think he's raising up the Melchizadek priests first? :mshock:


Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

We know God does nothing before he checks with other folks words first  :grin: :grin: I mean was it a scripture verse?  :grin: Thats what I was asking too, to look at reformers post (or signature) for a verse  :grin: Unless its just because he says so?  :grin:

Christ was raised the third day and so you count one thousand years as one day since Christ? Is that how you guys are figuring it? I'm new here I dont get how you guys arrive at stuff yet, HELP ME HERE  :grin:

haha  

I believe everything Reformer says, assuming I can understand it. :laughing7:

Not exactly a scripture verse--but I assume referring to this verse among others:

Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

We are waiting for the fulness of the Gentiles, and then the blindness of Israel will be gone.

Yes, that's what Nathan said, we are beginning the third day since Christ.

Don't you think something strange is going on out there in the world?  I sure do.

[rosered]

  I dont want to get off topic , but  :laughing7:

  when Reformer says'' Jesus want His body Back '', I think he means it is scattered abroad   like seeds in the world maybe ??and we are that Body being Joined back to Him ??

1Cr 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 

  :dontknow:  I think I should let him speak for  himself  :mshock:

[rosered]

 Hi I can now post in  here wow ! I was locked out for the longest time  
:thumbsup:  Hi all ............

  Christ being the Head ,  seems Reformer  has a signature that says "Jesus wants His body Back "   :winkgrin:

1Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Jhn 21:14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.

 do we also get to be raised up the 3rd day ?
  I know Laurus was  on the 4th day ?  and Jesus  raised him up  out of sleep/death

they, the disciples  thought he was sleeping
Jhn 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Hey Rosie, glad you could finally get on  :bigGrin: yes I see the third "time" he showed himself to his disciples, are you associating that third time with a third day in anyway?

Good point concerning raising Lazarus in four days, who knows? :grin:

 glad to be able to post in this place again , some how it now lets me in , I am not complaining lol ....

 I always check Genesis and see what was going on the  3rd Day and 4 th day   to see if there is anything in that  :bigGrin: pertaining to Christ in the begining .......

on ther 3rd Day Christ rose .......... seems  the first book of Genesis , is a little book all my itself  ?  complete and than there is  Chapter 2  

Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.


Gen 1:10 And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.


Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.


Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.


Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.


Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.


Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.


Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,


Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.


Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.  

 when the light of Christ come into Lazurus ?

  it may be a stretch tosome folks , but for me I can see that lol .......

[peacemaker]

"It can be concluded that there exists no time interval during which a human being is free from a direct lightening strike."

When you hear the sound of thunder, ka-boom, you are probably within range. And the adversary within will fall, just like Saul, denoting a change of heart.

Hypothetically speaking, I would say that if a lightning strike could stop your heart, then, a second coming would act like a defibrillator!

peacemaker

[rosered]

  I dont want to get off topic , but  :laughing7:

  when Reformer says" Jesus want His body Back ", I think he means it is scattered abroad   like seeds in the world maybe ??and we are that Body being Joined back to Him ??

1Cr 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 

  :dontknow:  I think I should let him speak for  himself  :mshock:

:grin: I still stumble over other peoples words, I always have I think I always will, but I think thats why revelation jumps out at me when His words are used because there is nothing better then our Lords words. They do help me personally

  Me too sis , but when the Spirit quickens the Word , than I really  get a blessing , its the Best!!!  :thumbsup:

[Nathan]

I think I missed what reformer might have said, I didnt catch it, I'll go back and read it

So were not raised up with Him in some other sense? 

Wheres the study on the third day Im missing out on?

It's just something that Reformer puts at the end of all his posts, lol.

"Jesus wants his body back."   I think I have that right, I've read it enough.

Nathan on the third day is a few posts back.  He said we are in the third day of Christ raising his temple (year 3000).

Do you think he's raising up the Melchizadek priests first? :mshock:


Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Yeah, the reigning with Christ a thousand years . .this entire spiritual concept really does fit together like a spiritual puzzle . .. but often times, we get into discussions on one point that we don't quite get to see the entire picture.  But the thousand year reign for me IS A PICTURE of the holy of holies . . . it's not about the thousand years, it's about finding "rest".  The thousand year part is simply the sign, signifying where the rest is established . . ."in Christ" which is the Holy of holies . . .it's where the presence of God resides upon the MERCY SEAT . . . it's a SEAT . . .it's where Christ is SEATED in God's throne room.

The Melchezedek order is the order of the thousand year reign . .it's still revealing Christ.  It's not how long people will be with him in a specific state of mind before that one ends and we go to another . . .the thousand year reign is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The coming of the third day is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The destruction of the carnality of man is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The woes that were proclaimed again, to the carnal flesh of man is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  When you put the pieces all together, you do not have the destruction of God's creation in the flesh . . .you have a revelation of Jesus Christ in the Spirit.

[Nathan]

"It can be concluded that there exists no time interval during which a human being is free from a direct lightening strike."

When you hear the sound of thunder, ka-boom, you are probably within range. And the adversary within will fall, just like Saul, denoting a change of heart.

Hypothetically speaking, I would say that if a lightning strike could stop your heart, then, a second coming would act like a defibrillator!

peacemaker

The lightning, for me, is a result of climatic change.  When there is a clash of opposing air pressures, it creates friction . . .and when looking at it from global point of view, the friction manifests by way of lightning . .and the speed of the light breaks the natural sound barrier . . . creating the thunder.  I see the reason it's seen so much in revelation is because for one, Jesus brings change in every person who looks upon him as the Messiah.  And because he is spirit and up to the birth of this new life in him, I have been led by the flesh . .so when spirit meets flesh, there is a clashing of oposing climates within me . .creating the storms that bring life to everything dead.  It rains on the just and the unjust.  Just because I've experience lightning and thunder once in me, doesn't mean it won't happen again and again.

Another piece to the lightning . . it doesn't come down from above . . .it actually is the opposite.  The things protruding most from the face of the earth, are most prone to trigger the charged clouds of change . . .it all depends on how hungry you are.  If you choose to pursue Christ with unabandon . . .your hunger is so great that you don't care what kind of flesh you have to stomp on to reach out to the over-hanging clouds of rain, you are most apt to feel the fire of his electricity illuminate your carnal nature to the point of destruction.

[Nathan]

  I dont want to get off topic , but  :laughing7:

  when Reformer says" Jesus want His body Back ", I think he means it is scattered abroad   like seeds in the world maybe ??and we are that Body being Joined back to Him ??

1Cr 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 

  :dontknow:  I think I should let him speak for  himself  :mshock:

:grin: I still stumble over other peoples words, I always have I think I always will, but I think thats why revelation jumps out at me when His words are used because there is nothing better then our Lords words. They do help me personally

This always reminds me of the passage that states the earth groans to see the sons of God.  When the sons manifest, the body of Christ manifests.

[Cardinal]

Yeah, the reigning with Christ a thousand years . .this entire spiritual concept really does fit together like a spiritual puzzle . .. but often times, we get into discussions on one point that we don't quite get to see the entire picture.  But the thousand year reign for me IS A PICTURE of the holy of holies . . . it's not about the thousand years, it's about finding "rest".  The thousand year part is simply the sign, signifying where the rest is established . . ."in Christ" which is the Holy of holies . . .it's where the presence of God resides upon the MERCY SEAT . . . it's a SEAT . . .it's where Christ is SEATED in God's throne room.

The Melchezedek order is the order of the thousand year reign . .it's still revealing Christ.  It's not how long people will be with him in a specific state of mind before that one ends and we go to another . . .the thousand year reign is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The coming of the third day is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The destruction of the carnality of man is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  The woes that were proclaimed again, to the carnal flesh of man is a revelation of Jesus Christ.  When you put the pieces all together, you do not have the destruction of God's creation in the flesh . . .you have a revelation of Jesus Christ in the Spirit.

EXACTLY, Amen. The third day is the same as the 7th day, it is like a double Sabbath, and they ARE the Spirit which is Christ, a many membered Spirit body, manifesting through a many membered glorified body.

Matt. 24: 25 Behold, I have told you before.  26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert (outer court); go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers (inner court); believe it not.  27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The "lightning" that cometh out of the east and shineth unto the west, is the sun. The sun's path came through the outer court and had there been no coverings upon the two other parts, would have risen pointing into the Holy of Holies.

Since the outer court (east facing) speaks of the flesh of man(kind), He was saying that He would come in the same way He came before......in the flesh of MAN, but this time a many membered man, which is why we were told above to not look in one place, as if looking for one singular man. Just as the High Priest walked in from outer court, to inner court, to Holy of Holies, like the path of the sun, so He has come, He will come, and He is to come, ever increasing in a body of people who are called by His name/nature.

He is coming in the clouds of glory alright. Clouds means DUST, which is why people in Jude are spoken of as clouds without water (without the Spirit). Clouds are also in thought as the smallest particle of something, which is the translation of the word twinkling, as in twinkling of an eye, the Greek word atomos, where we get the word atom from.

When He has made His holy incense (ground us to powder/dust), compounded it together (compacted together with what every joint supplieth = His perfected love), He will take two handfuls to offer up on the "day of Atonement", ie. the morning and the evening sacrifice, His left and right hand (no one can take us out of His hands).

The cloud of witnesse(S), two is the number of witness = those that have died in Christ already and those that are alive in Christ and remain, at His coming, ie. the two handfuls. They, without us cannot be made perfect, or complete (number 7 means perfect, complete, sacred) in Him.

Malachi 4: 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the SUN of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. Blessings....