The fear of Eternity

[Mickiel]

One frightening suggestion is that if we begin to see more dictators elected, more men with problems, that may be a swing back toward predicted prophecy.Think about it. God is not returning to a perfect world, and some of the leadership in the world when he returns are not going to be boy scouts. Goodness will not be in power when Christ returns; it has to be installed.

[Mickiel]

In Rev.18:3,9 show the corrupt kings of the earth Committing fornication with Babylon the great. This is what Christ returns to on earth. So we must expect , if we wish to stay in reality , more and more corrupt leaders coming out of the woodwork. In Rev. 12:9 Satan has deceived  the whole world. This is worldwide powerful deception. And you can bet that religion has a lot to do with it. Politics and religion.

[Mickiel]

In Rev. 12:9 Satan has managed world wide deception , that means everyone is deceived except the elect.  Now think about it, what tool can Satan use to go that far without being detected? Will you think with me? Religions!. Like Islam and Christianity.  Those two religions pretty much cover the world.  Satan is not trying to pull people away from these religions , but actually draw them to it. Inside these giant religions Satan can work out powerful mixture deceptive dogma.  He can weave distorted doctrines and confuse millions of believers.  He's already doing it..

[Mickiel]

Interesting how Satan is called the great dragon in Rev.12:9. An ancient serpent. In Gen.3:1 he is again referred to as a serpent. And Gen.3:13. In Rev. 20:2, 2Corinth.11:13. He just may be a real serpent dragon. With wings and authority on earth..He is forbidden to bother salvation,, or he would..one way we can know that God has restricted Satan, is simply by looking at what he does not do. If he has not cut your head off, then he can't, or
He would. Salvation makes Satan's head sick and furious. He is a cosmic creature that gave birth to evil. He is filled with remarkable deception. Yet he is fighting a lost cause, so he's angry and wants to spoil as much as he can.

[Mickiel]

Interesting how Satan is called the great dragon in Rev.12:9. An ancient serpent. In Gen.3:1 he is again referred to as a serpent. And Gen.3:13. In Rev. 20:2, 2Corinth.11:13. He just may be a real serpent dragon. With wings and authority on earth..He is forbidden to bother salvation,, or he would..one way we can know that God has restricted Satan, is simply by looking at what he does not do. If he has not cut your head off, then he can't, or
He would. Salvation makes Satan's head sick and furious. He is a cosmic creature that gave birth to evil. He is filled with remarkable deception. Yet he is fighting a lost cause, so he's angry and wants to spoil as much as he can.

So we are given a peek at sin and evil by how it has affected Satan and humans.It is the opposite of God and a horrible existence.. I can remember a time in my life when Satan had me down and super depressed. Nothing was going right and I was very sick and weak. It was as if he had jumped on me and was choking the life out of me. The  spirit chased him off. I thought to myself" This Satan being is serious,"I think he would have killed me If he could. Salvation is our shield.

[Mickiel]

Satan is so violent that it's hard for him to do things reasonable , he has a killer attitude. Notice how his confrontations are always short and rushed. He rushed the events in Eden, he rushed his confrontations with Jesus, he is not patient with his evil. He rushed Jesus death. He rushed Pharaoh into letting Israel go early

Still the forces of evil  have been arrayed in deadly formation. The devil has infiltrated our literature, art ,the movies and radio. Our dress our dances. And he really is after our youth. The forces of evil have been insidious with it's enticing of our youth.

[Mickiel]

We are in a war with eternal consequences , there are two competing agendas for every person  on the planet: God's plan is for life, Satan's plan is for death. In Eph.6:11, put on the full armor of God so that we can stand up to the schemes of the devil . You know things will be deadly if we need to wear armour. Satan has demons prowling around looking for someone to devour, 1Pet.5:8-9. Like lions sneaking around,some of the demons may show themselves or reveal the problem their throwing at you, but it's the lions,( demons), that you don't see, the problems you didn't catch that knock you down.

[Mickiel]

We are right now in a war with Satan. Because of this war Jesus is going to have to destroy Satan. 1John 3:8. Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. To show that being done as a witness to all the world.  1John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins, and not ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. It pleases God that Jesus took on this position of devine pardon for humanity.He eased the stress of a sinful world  and pacified all demands for judgement.

[Mickiel]

Now that Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil ,maybe I can learn some of the things that puzzle me in scripture. Like the differences between salvation and Atonement, I have trouble comparing the two. Salvation seems to be more of being saved from sin, whereas Atonement seems to be a healing from sin. Salvation demanded Jesus life, Atonement opens up God's life to us. The two are so close. So close.

[Mickiel]

The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me. It's like trying to fit puzzle pictures pictures that are not fitting. It's a weird doctrine. I personally see no need for it.

[Mickiel]

The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me. It's like trying to fit puzzle pictures pictures that are not fitting. It's a weird doctrine. I personally see no need for it.

If this is true, I would like to see it explained... Maybe one of you can explain it. I
Mean this is going to be 1000 years after living In perfect peace with God   and Christ. Devil is loosed And still manages to deceive many. And these so called believers has got to know it's coming.we all will know satan will be loosed. We got t know it. It's bible. I don't get it? The Kingdom of God gets filtrated and gets mauled and more hurt and pain has come when promised not to?

[Mickiel]

The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me. It's like trying to fit puzzle pictures pictures that are not fitting. It's a weird doctrine. I personally see no need for it.

If this is true, I would like to see it explained... Maybe one of you can explain it. I
Mean this is going to be 1000 years after living In perfect peace with God   and Christ. Devil is loosed And still manages to deceive many. And these so called believers has got to know it's coming.we all will know satan will be loosed. We got t know it. It's bible. I don't get it? The Kingdom of God gets filtrated and gets mauled and more hurt and pain has come when promised not to?

In all things we just have to learn to trust in God. I know how it is to be wrong and ignorant of God's doings. May I learn to trust in him.

[Ross]

Now that Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil ,maybe I can learn some of the things that puzzle me in scripture. Like the differences between salvation and Atonement, I have trouble comparing the two. Salvation seems to be more of being saved from sin, whereas Atonement seems to be a healing from sin. Salvation demanded Jesus life, Atonement opens up God's life to us. The two are so close. So close.

Atonement- points out the need for someone to pay for errors; and that done on a yearly basis as a display of someone else presenting
                  the sacrifice, the high priest and no-one else; and Christ has done that for us, once and for all- ergo His sacrifice for our sins

Salvation- seems to be the release from our errors/sins being made plain to us at our appointed time: recognition of Christ for His work.

The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me.

1 Tim 4;1 " Now the spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits
                 and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared."

I.M.O at the moment everyone is blaming satan for their mistakes- making every excuse for our problems lay on him.
I remember that line of thinking.
Seems to be the need for the 1000 years so that the recognition of errors cannot be blamed elsewhere- ergo actually taking responsibility on our own shoulders.
This may seem harsh, but I feel is part of our correction process which teaches us to look at thing differently.

[Mickiel]

Now that Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil ,maybe I can learn some of the things that puzzle me in scripture. Like the differences between salvation and Atonement, I have trouble comparing the two. Salvation seems to be more of being saved from sin, whereas Atonement seems to be a healing from sin. Salvation demanded Jesus life, Atonement opens up God's life to us. The two are so close. So close.

Atonement- points out the need for someone to pay for errors; and that done on a yearly basis as a display of someone else presenting
                  the sacrifice, the high priest and no-one else; and Christ has done that for us, once and for all- ergo His sacrifice for our sins

Salvation- seems to be the release from our errors/sins being made plain to us at our appointed time: recognition of Christ for His work.quote)

I see. Salvation is not simple a thing to consider, but it involves the demise of all sins.letme look at this a bit more ) but

The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me.

1 Tim 4;1 " Now the spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits
                 and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared."

I.M.O at the moment everyone is blaming satan for their mistakes- making every excuse for our problems lay on him.
I remember that line of thinking.
Seems to be the need for the 1000 years so that the recognition of errors cannot be blamed elsewhere- ergo actually taking responsibility on our own shoulders.
This may seem harsh, but I feel is part of our correction process which teaches us to look at thing differently.

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If one person can be be blamed , its satan, I hold no qauerrel with that . This 1000 year of Satan being released, I don't get it? Believers again fall under his spell. And I just know that everyone in the Kingdom will know when the period has come.
It sounds  like something out of a comic book. Something here is weird

[Mickiel]

Now that Jesus has destroyed the works of the devil ,maybe I can learn some of the things that puzzle me in scripture. Like the differences between salvation and Atonement, I have trouble comparing the two. Salvation seems to be more of being saved from sin, whereas Atonement seems to be a healing from sin. Salvation demanded Jesus life, Atonement opens up God's life to us. The two are so close. So close.

Atonement- points out the need for someone to pay for errors; and that done on a yearly basis as a display of someone else presenting
                  the sacrifice, the high priest and no-one else; and Christ has done that for us, once and for all- ergo His sacrifice for our sins

Salvation- seems to be the release from our errors/sins being made plain to us at our appointed time: recognition of Christ for His work.quote)
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I see. Salvation is not simple a thing to consider, but it involves the demise of all sins.let me look at this a bit more ) but

The Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years during the Kingdom of God baffles me.

1 Tim 4;1 " Now the spirit explicitly says that in the latter times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits
                 and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared."

I.M.O at the moment everyone is blaming satan for their mistakes- making every excuse for our problems lay on him.
I remember that line of thinking.
Seems to be the need for the 1000 years so that the recognition of errors cannot be blamed elsewhere- ergo actually taking responsibility on our own shoulders.
This may seem harsh, but I feel is part of our correction process which teaches us to look at thing differently.

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If one person can be be blamed , it Satan, I hold no qauerrel with that . This 1000 year of Satan being released, I don't get it? Believers again fall under his spell. And I just know that everyone in the Kingdom will know when the period has come.
It sounds  like something out of a comic book.
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If people are blaming Satan for their sins.  I think they got the right guy.
He is to blame.    No matter how much believers blame Satan., If anything they don't do it enough. No,I  refuse to cut Satan any slack. Different from you I do not. Believe  this most unusual one thousand years.

[Mickiel]

Atonement might mean being made one with God . Now in revelation 19th chapter vs1,  the saints Are crying Alleluia , the blood of the saints is avenged . We have the marriage of the Lamb in vs7. The second coming of Christ , then the battle of Armageddon, then the doom of the beast and false prophet.Vs 7. A powerful  19th chapter for sure, I wonder if we got it right. At this level we have to get it right. At this time the beast, and the false prophet are both cast alive Into a lake of fire burning with brimstone., Vs 20. Now the doom of the kings takes place.In Revelation  20:1 a great angel comes  down from heaven and grabs Satan , obviously restrains him , and vs. 3 , binds him for 1000 years. That he can deceive  the nation's any more.

In Rev.20:the kingdom age begins with Satan's one thousand years , shall we call it imprisonment. In vs 7-15 Satan is loosed when this time expires. He immediately. Begins to deceive all the nation's on earth.Why? Why go through any of this again?
Anyhow in Rev.20: 7-satan and his demons along with all the billions of humans who got deceived again on through vs. 15 are destroyed. Oh and Satan and the false prophet are not destroyed, only imprisoned forever. Something is wrong with this picture , I just can't quite get my finger on it.

[Mickiel]

So we have to find the salvation of those humans who got deceived again in Revelation 20:7-15.. verse 11 is sad because it says These humans could not even hide , No place was found for them., Which is just hard to believe.

[Mickiel]

In Rev.20:7-15Satans thousand years elapses and he waste no time , goes out and deceives the nation's four corners of the earth. He gathers them together to battle.It says their numbers is like the sand of the sea. Let's stop and consider this. We know Satan is powerful, his ability to deceive is unmatched and deadly. He was gathering the demon's and deceived humans to attack the Holy City and kill everything in it.So the physiology  and phycology of  why comes to be considered. Is God just driving in the point home?Why a second siege on the city? Why allow Satan to live and do it his authorized attack, because God knew what to expect from Satan.God knew he would fail, but think about those millions of believers, who had already lived kingdom life for 1000 years, and we are put in a position to have to accept that they just gave in to Satan and his way , like the soldiers in Afghanistan just giving up all their training and surrender to join Satan's charge.

So I am assuming that these deceived will be given salvation a second time after grace and forgiveness is applied. God judges them in verse 12  opening books and judging from the principles of those books, one of which is sure to be the bible , , according to their doings. They are not mentioned anymore, A frightening verse 15 states whoever was not found in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire. "IF" the book of life is indeed the bible, then nothing has changed, all humans are saved , we are back on the salvation track for all. If this is not the case then we are compelled that many will loose their eternal lives. So again salvation is taxed beyond another limit. And the blood of Christ must forgive yet another innsurection .oh Jesus could do this all day long , just continually forgive. God could give his grace all day long and not loose any human to destruction.

In Isaiah 57:16 "For I will not contend forever, neither will I always be wroth, for that spirit will fail within me, and the souls that I have made ".There we have it, our God does not hold grudges and his forgiveness is just "All covering". So I am inclined to believe that even those among us who join Satan for this battle, IF that is true,God will never abandon them.

So I am left just wondering about this strange nerve wrecking biblical bump in the road to peave

[Mickiel]

  A kingdomife chart:

The  good.

God will not always contend with sin , Isaiah 57:16, meaning he will not always fight sin, there will be an end to it. God will not continue a struggle with evil. In Psalms 103:8 ,"The Lord is merciful and gracious , slow to anger and plenteous in mercy.  vs9 , He will not always chide, meaning he's not going to continue rebuking and reprimanding people  , he will show them the way out of the struggle. Pick the human up , bathe them with love and goodness, and create a new consciousness.


Romans 3:23," For all have sinned, this places every single human created into the bible, all our names are listed and can be found in the book of life. This roll call list of sinners is why Jesus came. In Luke 5:32 Sinners are singled out for salvation. Placed within the book because of sin, removed from the book because of Jesus death and life. Instead of a list of condemnation , it becomes a list of change and challenge to God's plans.. Nonetheless if we can prove that the bible was one of the _Books Opened in Revelation, the salvation of all is in that book ,Jesus and God are already in the that book. Notice closely then Rev.20:12-15,  first off we are at God's throne and all the dead are returned to life. The bible has that. The verse states that . God begins his judgement and EVERY man was judged out of those things written in this book. The bible has that. The sea , death and hell delivers up their dead, the bible has that.   

Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire  , Jesus , our intercessor , our lawyer blocks the entire human race from destruction by making himself the ransom needed to block our fate of doom.1Tim.2:6. He actually uses his own body to block the door to destruction. What a lawyer! What a Savior. John 17:2 states that Jesus gives eternal life to as many as the Father has given him. The posture is always forgiveness, apply grace,  love and mercy.

[Mickiel]

We might can save our group using the events in Rev. 21:4-5. God is personally seeing to wounded believers, as God consoles this group he promises they will not die anymore, nor have sorrows , nor crying , not even any pain, the former things are passed away. Here is yet another chance for salvation, again mercy, grace and forgiveness is applied. We can get large Salvation from here for sure.

[Mickiel]

We can get those lost sheep  from Titus 3: 4-7, the kindness and  love of God our savior toward man has appearred , not by works but according to his mercy he saved us. They're justified by faith and made heirs of eternal life. In Titus 2 ;11 , For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.  The case for the salvation of all is being built-in and stacked biblically.

You have no need to fear anyone who needs salvation and may not attend court in this powerful case. In 1 Tim. 2;6 Jesus gives his life as a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Salvation is recognizing everyone. We may save any group here.

[Mickiel]

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who will have all men to be saved , and come to the knowledge of the truth. Universal salvation is pleasing to God , it covers all bases and includes all sinners ,we may save anyone here.

[Mickiel]

Atonement is more like a repair done for the sake of a damaged relationship. Propitiation is more like appeasement where Jesus serves as reparation or compensation. In1John 4:10. Propitiation just means satisfaction. Lovingly  Christ applies this salvation to believers and covers all unbelievers as well, expressing a spectacular salvation. The sins of the whole world. 2Corinth. 5:19 Christ is Reconciling the world to himself. We can save everyone here.

[Mickiel]

We can find salvation for those humans twice deceived in Rev..20:1-15. Rev.21:4 is giving away salvation, making all things new, especially sinful human souls. Maybe they were not twice deceived, in Rev. 20: 5 this group of humans may be the ones Satan deceives again. Satan is being very ugly and tricky here  , the devil knows that trying to use humans in this fight is rediculous , he just needs his demons, and even they are slaughtered. He just wants humans dead any kind of way he can. what could humans do in a war with angels?

[Mickiel]

Ultimately we are being asked to believe , in a sane judicial manner , that God needs to overlap his timing to include 1000 years of Satan's imprisonment during the kingdom age. He will be placed inside of a bottomless pit, and bound by a great chain and sealed.  Since the pit has no bottom, we may assume that he will be hanging in mid air while the pit is sealed. Held by this chain. His powers  to deceive removed. Hanging for 1000 years. So I guess all the citizens of heaven will know about this. But he's bound an powerless so no fears.

He then is loosed out of his prison. In Rev.20: 7-15 Satan gos out and deceives again.  He builds a great army  and starts a battle. God ends the battle in verses 7-10.

I Wonder why the battle?  The whole thing is weird to me.