The fear of Eternity

ed · August 31, 2021, 03:56:52 AM

Oh, now I see your reasoning. Christians don't like that they are preaching a false gospel. All the falseness, who can know they are right? I trust the Spirit, but I'm grown, not led about with every wind of doctrine.

Mickiel · August 31, 2021, 12:41:02 PM

Quote from: ed on August 31, 2021, 03:56:52 AM
Oh, now I see your reasoning. Christians don't like that they are preaching a false gospel. All the falseness, who can know they are right? I trust the Spirit, but I'm grown, not led about with every win
Christians don't know they are preaching a false gospel. Satan has spun a wide net of deception throughout history and Satan does not waste time trying to deceive what is already deceived. It is good thing then that you're grown and can see these incredible false doctrines. These doctrines must be tried by the spirit in you. And some of them are barbaric , like eternal hell punishing. A horrible doctrine , so we try the spirit it brings by the he spirit we have and God will lead us to travel this road with his serious help.

Just as he opened Adam , Moses, Abraham, the apostles and the brethren of those days , we too are still a part of that covenant. , and the Holy Spirit will build it's case with you,, because we need to know when we're right or wrong. God will appeal directly to your conscience understanding and increase it where necessary. God can get to you and teach you in various ways , even accessing the Cerebellum - parietal and frontal regions. God then combines that with spiritual knowledge. And the human is well equipped .

Mickiel · August 31, 2021, 01:11:37 PM

Quote from: ed on August 31, 2021, 03:56:52 AM
Oh, now I see your reasoning. Christians don't like that they are preaching a false gospel. All the falseness, who can know they are right? I trust the Spirit, but I'm grown, not led about with every wind of doctrine.
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Who can know they are right? A very fair question for those who hunger and thrist to be right , Christ has promised they will be filled with answers ,Matt.6;33 , Matt 5:6 . Those who hunger and thirst about this whole being right issue shall be filled with the right answers and right knowledge. And we're going to need that from God , his help is very essential in this area because of the horde's of evil flocking around this matter. When demons gather up on any spot or issue, they are ready to attack in overwhelming numbers. They have amasked with intentions of ripping apart any believer who is beginning to comprehend truth in these situations. They will kill you if they can. You are like a diamond in the desert of this world.

Mickiel · September 01, 2021, 12:19:04 AM

Demons tend to gang up on humans who are important , or they mass in troubled spots around the world. This is why the believe needs the whole armor of God. If we don't be careful they would sift us like wheat. Destroy our consciousness of God. They often employ doctrines of their own making , uniquely designed to get the believer in , and makes it even harder to escape. 1Tim.4:1," Now the spirit speaking expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith , giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devil's."

When a believer is boxed in that much , the demon doctrines he faces were created for his failure. He has become so weaker minded and lost his faith, he becomes a target. He starts to deny himself and a way is being molded into him. The demon drags him into self denial . Forbidding to marry and not to eat certain foods. They can have a false impression that they are pleasing to God by this attitude of self denial. Trying to be pleasing to God there is nothing any of us can do to earn favor with God. They want to perform, "what must we do to Perform the works of God? Jesus answer this is the work of God,that you believe in him whom he has sent.

Satan is always forging ahead to oppose what God plans to do. The list of demon doctrines is long , maybe I'll go into sometimes

ed · September 01, 2021, 01:16:57 AM

I don't believe demons are actual beings. I don't believe angels are actual beings either. Demons are thoughts that are apposed to truth, they are lies in the mind, they can actually damage a mind. Casting out demons is replacing error with truth. Jesus who was the truth could cast out a demon possession because He proclaimed truth. Angels are messengers of God, they can come through people, doctrines, thoughts, directly from the Spirit in you. I got one the other day, "the goats are coming along".

Now this eternal torment I'm thinking has passed. They went through their eternal torment and Jesus did indeed separate the sheep from the goats. They were separated so that they could learn to not be goats with whatever type of correction they got from their own goatliness.

So, the goats are coming along, in every age, they are the same. The sheep enjoy eternal life, while the goats go through correction.

Mickiel · September 01, 2021, 03:30:58 AM

I believe the angels, demons and creatures created in heaven are literal and very real. But I just can't picture God and Christ having conversations with demons that are not real.. Satan was made the "god of this world." You don't get that title and your a ghost or some ether real thing. But salvation is not based on demonic belief. A believer can think exactly as you do and still be saved.

ed · September 01, 2021, 03:39:59 AM

Quote from: Mickiel on September 01, 2021, 03:30:58 AM
But salvation is not based on demonic belief. A believer can think exactly as you do and still be saved.

Thanks Mickiel, I'm certainly not worried about my salvation, I don't have fear of eternity. I've been saying for years, Jesus does not care what you believe, He will work with you. You are awesome my friend.

Mickiel · September 01, 2021, 05:06:32 AM

Well but thank you very much. Oh how I wish i could one day that eternity does not scare me. That would be nice.. a good friend of mine says in the area of fear , that I am a spiritual sissy.
Good grief, that's cold and funny

I think Jesus does care what we believe , but not in the beginning of your belief, I think we could get away with that. As we mature more is required of us, because of his work with you. And we become more aware of the missing spots in our knowledge. I

remember the azael goats alagorys, they always threw me off.

This is a lot of knowledge we must absorb. We can't scratch the surface without God.. so God give a little here, then a little there, and teach us to lean on one another in unity over confusion. Peace.

Mickiel · September 02, 2021, 08:24:06 AM

There are a lot of things Jesus does not care about ,. Including our past, present And future sin. .. He pardons iniquities and retains not his anger forever and delights in mercy. In Micah 7;19, "He will turn again and pardon our sins and forgive our people. , He will once again turn and have compassion on us ,he will subdue our sins and will cast ALL of them into the depths of the sea". He knows that our way is not in us. The way of man is not in himself. It is not in man who walks to direct his steps. So God will give us a heart to know him.. , Jer. 24;6, Job 36:26. In Lam. 3:31 , For the Lord will not cast off
forever. This is our hope and heritage.

Mickiel · September 02, 2021, 11:36:30 PM

There are times and reasons that God and Jesus could careless about human meddling . In Isaiah 49:17," Before him all the nations Are as nothing , they are regarded by him as worthless and less than nothing." Wow,and that's the New Living Translation . You can know at times like this it's best to leave God alone.

The Douay- - Rheims bible renders it," All nation's before him they are counted to him as nothing and vanity."

The International standard version says We are as nothing and Chaos."
The Net bible says we are regarded as "Absolutely Nothing." So when God or Christ think like that, 1. There is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
2. Be happy they don't stay that way.
3. They do not like rebellious nation's.

So they will effect change and repairs.

Mickiel · September 04, 2021, 07:32:43 AM

God and Christ reject the sin in man, not mankind itself. Look at Titus 3:4-7After the kindness and love of God our savior appeared, not by works of righteousness we have done, but according to his Mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost, which shed on us abundantly trough Jesus Christ our savior, that being justified by his faith we should be made heirs according to the Hope of eternal life.

It is so clear here that salvation is a free gift of gratis, the pure kindness and mighty Mercy of God has washed us clean from sin by the blood of Christ which washed abundantly Jesus became the sin eater and our hope is now based on HIS faith.We are now heirs of eternity. This is gratis , a gift , how can we ecape if we neglect so great salvation? Oh the powers that be are swirling all around us , the calling of God is great , Romans 1: 1-7 we are called of Jesus Christ and serve him with our spirit.

Mickiel · September 04, 2021, 07:45:22 AM

Here is one characteristic of the coming called out church of God, the elect; Romans 1:8 First I thank my God trough Jesus Christ for you all , that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. The whole world will know who and where the true church of God is. There will be no guessing and identity confusion. Time will be spent boosting your motivation and morale, and the Holy Spirit will be put on surcharge.

Mickiel · September 04, 2021, 08:58:47 AM

In Matt.5:14 you are the light of the world ,a city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. This astounding imagery is vividly set forth the calling of the church of Christ as a visible society, no more secret squirrel. The purpose now is to be seen and heard. The zeal for your salvation now needs to grow to put you more out of yourself and In to public life. Our light must shine. The world's eyes will be on us.

Mickiel · September 04, 2021, 02:32:47 PM

Christ church should be a visible society and his called and chosen people need to be a part of that. Jesus is on point in his mission , salvation has come to the house of the world , Luke 19:9-10. "The Son of man is come to seek and to save that which is lost." John 6;44 brings into play another aspect of the this salvation blitz . Humans must be drawn first, so God fills up his called out ones in this manner. He draws many unto himself, Matt.22:,14" For many are called but few are chosen. They are called to serve , not to sit. They are called according to a purpose , Romans 8:28 , a purpose predestined to activate a spiritually dead world. Through which will come the harvest of the world.

Mickiel · September 04, 2021, 11:24:46 PM

Being chosen is indeed a great honor. How does a believer know they are chosen? I don't think it's an easy answer to that. In Matt.24:22 the course of human history is changed for the elect. So God and Christ Revere them. And are very protective of them. They will need humility and lots of it , knowing human nature and how it loves to become important. They will need to be a people who can show how God is. A person that can be admired spiritually. So the knowledge of how to know your chosen , best come from the one who choose you. I think that's the best way. Get it from the source.

Mickiel · September 06, 2021, 02:14:10 AM

The chosen are the tip of salvation , along with the New Testament churches during biblical times. If you ever wonder how you would have lived during those times, what kind of believer you would have been, God placed you in a time that would be best for you. He wanted you here. Are we more advanced than the old church? Well we should be, we ought to be, so are we? No doubt in many ways we are , knowledge has increased. My concern is our love for each other and our zeal for this great salvation. Rev.2:1-7 The Ephesians church embraced their salvation and loved Christ because he first loved them, 1John 4:19 ,Eph. 2:4. And they were attacked in that area. There is a passion in gratitude for this great salvation that spills over into one another. We face the same challenges in the 21st century. We must remain zealous for the truth. We cannot allow the frustration of false teaching overpower the love of Christ.

Mickiel · September 06, 2021, 02:41:59 AM

We live in a more crowded world today. It's just more of everything; more sin and evil, more peer pressure, more false teachings. So God's people now are not grouped together, we mostly live as individuals with long distance contacts. This can become weary to the believer, all the stresses that affect its core values of being close to someone of like mind is putting pressure on our minds. And Satan goes after that with impunity , to strip the power of your love and your peace of sound mind. 2Tim. 1:7. Because Satan himself fears our awesome gifts that God has given us. We just have to cling to Christ all the more ; we can do it, we were born to face these challenges of these times. Placed here to suffer and endure. So hold tight to your love of this truth, you are not out of place. Your a pillar in a great movement.

Mickiel · September 06, 2021, 05:20:09 AM

In this new movement we have fellowship with the Father, Christ and each other, 1John 1;3 , remember Satan burrows deep into the Feelings of the believer being alone in this way. He goes after the consciousness, which will hamper prayer and study, the believer has not much inspirational contact with fellow believers. The confirmation of learning new truths is affected , so the new believer is forced to fellowship with the Holy spirit , by design he is learning proper protocol under pressure, you always go to God. But it would be nice to have a friend to go to as well. In Matt. 18:19-20 we see the power in just two or three of us. Heb. 10;24-25. 1Thes.5:11 , so work on your being alone so much, create ways to fellowship. Your going to need it, Ecclesiastes 4:9-12. A threefold cord is not easily broken , means we need the strength of our brothers. Iron sharpens iron, Prov. 27:17. Acts 2:42, Gal. 6:2 , 1Pet. 3:8, and Romans 1:12.. These are mind guards, help for the conscious believer who meditates on his or her lives. So you get into the habit of praying without ceasing, 1Thess. 5;17.

Praying without ceasing does not mean constantly chanting like your a Hari Chrisna or some repetitive wailing on a wall. You begin your prayer and just never end it. Say your peice and leave it at that place until you start another conversation with God. Talk to God in any place, in any position your body is in, about any subject and let him know your lonely and would like that area of your calling addressed.

Mickiel · September 06, 2021, 06:28:50 AM

In Rev. 2:4 , "Nevertheless I have something against you , because you have left your first love." This also can mean turning away from the truth of the universal gospel of all being saved. That new truth must have been a great love to them, as it is to us now. It says"They left " their first love. Not that they stopped believing it, it was just brushed aside. Look in verse 5, Remember therefore from where you have fallen and repent and do"The first works". Using these expression's "First love , First works." I am impressed that it is the doctrine of universal salvation and love for the brethren that was first taught the way.

The latter part of vs.5 "Repent an do the first works ; or else I will come to you quickly and remove thy candlestick out of its place." Which may mean Jesus would blind them from the truth. The Ephesus church were doing this work , and could properly discern false prophets. But they had problems with evil people . But they had patience and laboured on. We most certainly need that ability to discern false prophets or teachers, their false teachings has to appear as truth and alluring; manipulating the mind of the believer. So we have to know where the dirt comes from.

Mickiel · September 06, 2021, 07:50:44 PM

Leaving their fist love in Rev.2:4, the message they heard from the beginning , that we should love one another, 1John 3:11, we know we have passed from death to life because we love or brothers. This love puts you into a different phase of growth and reality. You can see life where before you only saw death. You have moved into a slot , a very important space where you are now chosen and anointed . 1John 2:27,"But the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you , and to need not that any man teach you , but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, And is no lie, and even as it has taught you , you shall abide in him."

The anointing, or the in-depth power of the Holy Spirit , teaches you "ALL THINGS", and is being poured into your consciousness. But everything you need to know being given to you.

Mickiel · September 06, 2021, 08:22:26 PM

Quote from: Mickiel on September 06, 2021, 07:50:44 PM

Leaving their fist love in Rev.2:4, the message they heard from the beginning , that we should love one another, 1John 3:11, we know we have passed from death to life because we love or brothers. This love puts you into a different phase of growth and reality. You can see life where before you only saw death. You have moved into a slot , a very important space where you are now chosen and anointed . 1John 2:27,"But the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you , and to need not that any man teach you , but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, And is no lie, and even as it has taught you , you shall abide in him."

The anointing, or the in-depth power of the Holy Spirit , teaches you "ALL THINGS", and is being poured into your consciousness. But everything you need to know being given to you.

This is a wonderful thing for the believer, it bypass traditional ways and Is revolutionary in spiritual leaning, you need no human teacher. Wow, no human meddling between you and God, what a calling! This is a sign that God is aware that many of us are alone without much fellowship. So he feeds us directly. But please notice "Everything you need to know is being revealed to you." Now you will see more life, more salvation. You have a private connection with the Holy Spirit. And his fruit will come out of you.

Mickiel · September 07, 2021, 07:29:37 PM

I think it's difficult to know if you have the Holy Spirit. Notice John 1:33 "John said I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and "Remain" on him. The spirit remaining means it never left him again. This is how you know. The spirit will visit believers and inspire them , in those cases we can say the spirit is" With you", but it does not remain. This can deceive a believer into thinking the spirit is in them permanently , because of their strong desire. So I never say I have it, I just say it visits me. God wants us to respect and honor the truth, especially the truth about ourselves.

Mickiel · September 08, 2021, 12:05:21 AM

In John 1:33, it said John will see the Spirit descending and remaining on him. In vs 34 John said he saw and bare record that this is the Son of God. So the bible is using this event for very important reasons. That Spirit remaining solidified Jesus as the Son of God. Baptized with the Holy Spirit. Now baptism of the spirit is revealed to the people in scripture. John was baptizing with water up to this point, but now an important pivot Is taking place.

Mickiel · September 08, 2021, 12:44:28 AM

In Matt.3:11 spoke of Jesus baptizing with the Holy Ghost and fire! Mark 1:8 calls it baptism with the Holy Spirit.in vs 10 the Spirit descending is still the language being used. So is this how modern day believers must be baptized? With water and spirit?

Mickiel · September 08, 2021, 01:59:04 AM

Quote from: Mickiel on September 08, 2021, 12:44:28 AM
In Matt.3:11 spoke of Jesus baptizing with the Holy Ghost and fire! Mark 1:8 calls it baptism with the Holy Spirit.in vs 10 the Spirit descending is still the language being used. So is this how modern day believers must be baptized? With water and spirit?

There are no other ways listed in scripture to be baptized, except with water and spirit. Another believer can baptize you with water, but Jesus must baptize you with spirit. This is another way to know you have God's spirit, when he baptized you with it. Such an experience should have marked you memory and you should know exactly what happened and how. This is another reason I know I have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit, I would know something like that, never forget it and never lie about it. That would be a life changing eye opening experience , don't you think? Frozen into your memory banks.

Everywhere I have looked at the Holy Spirit being given, it comes down from heaven on its own and joins with the believer. Even in a large group setting like the book of Acts 2:1-4, it came from above , came to rest on each of them, until they all were filled with the spirit. So no human needs to baptize you to receive the Holy Spirit. These other gifts like speaking in tongues I really am unclear on, don't know what to think about them. So I don't worry about it.

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