The fear of Eternity

[Mickiel]

I am encouraged , thank you

[Mickiel]

Amen and amen.  You know the story. We all have to learn , who is really guiding us. As you stated we learn from God , in Jeremiah 24: 7, :"I will give them a heart to know me." Some of my learnings have been unorthodox I admit .

[Mickiel]

Amen and amen.  You know the story. We all have to learn , who is really guiding us. As you stated we learn from God , in Jeremiah 24: 7, :"I will give them a heart to know me." Some of my learnings have been unorthodox I admit .

Yet I maintain most of my speculations come from scripture and how they impress my mind , and I am comfortable with that : having my own views. I mean I see what I see, I  understand what I understand. I am not fishing for agreement, merely expressing myself and beliefs.

[Mickiel]

Amen and amen.  You know the story. We all have to learn , who is really guiding us. As you stated we learn from God , in Jeremiah 24: 7, :"I will give them a heart to know me." Some of my learnings have been unorthodox I admit .

Yet I maintain most of my speculations come from scripture and how they impress my mind , and I am comfortable with that : having my own views. I mean I see what I see, I  understand what I understand. I am not fishing for agreement, merely expressing myself and beliefs.

It is vain speculation we must avoid. ! I see nothing wrong with brothers sitting around discussing scriptures that we really don't know the answers, but we are discussing what they could mean. Well it could be this , because of that scripture, or it could be that because of  this other scripture. Constantly asking God for guidance.

[Ross]

Divine revelation- ergo as God teaches us so that nobody can take credit for anything.
This also makes us equal in His sight- hence no longer Jew or Greek.... but all in Christ.
Learning is indeed an ongoing process.

[Mickiel]

In looking for spiritual understanding , you are using what is called spiritual discernment.  A decision making process in which an individual makes a discovery that can lead to future action.  God guides the individual to help them arrive at the  best decision. Discernment is a gift where you can see through smokescreens and obstacles.  Discernment is the ability to distinguish : it's judgement. And outside of God , Christ and the Holy Spirit,  I trust my own discernment far more than others. Spiritual discernment is a gift from God, physical discernment is a learned skill. Discernment is a wise way of judging between things. This adds weight to assumption's that you do manage to see , it adds its own wisdom. I think it's a good thing to even Practice. You could take on discernment as a deliberate practice.

Discernment is a unique discipline that takes practice , insight, commitment and unrelenting follow through. It makes you pray , makes you go to God. I have experienced being right about a speculation, and being wrong. And it's not wrong to trust your own discernment , we can discern for ourselves what is right. Job 34:4. Sometimes it's best not to let anything get between you and God. When you walk alone anyway, it's not much of a choice.

I think we should be careful of it, not really fearful of it. Brave and upright enough to tell others what a son of God thinks . Wise enough to ask God to help us think , you'll look up one day and find wisdom in you, sound speculation and  your assumption's right on target . To gain more insight we have to often press our prayers on God, be unrelenting in your desire to know the truth. In Luke 22:44 Jesus prayed so hard his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.

[Mickiel]

Divine revelation- ergo as God teaches us so that nobody can take credit for anything.
This also makes us equal in His sight- hence no longer Jew or Greek.... but all in Christ.
Learning is indeed an ongoing process.

Amen. My own sinful life has me knowing I cannot take credit for anything. Learning is indeed an ongoing process , that I think will not be affected by eternity.

[Mickiel]

There really is not a word in scripture for eternity. Those aonian arguments are beyond me. Eternal, everlasting, forever , many terms are used. Always. And quess what, all those terms involve time. You can't take time from eternity.

[Mickiel]

What day or hour God returns, only he knows. But it's a matter of time. Why is God taking so long to return? He's taking his "Time". Taking his time in eternity.. He is being patient, Patience has to do with time.  They may need more time to finish the reconstruction of all things. When will God call out his end time church? At the right time. Even the plan of salvation involves time.

[Mickiel]

In Rev.22:2 the new heaven and earth are finished  all old things are passed away. We're living in eternity and the there is a tree of life which gave 12 kinds of fruit every month for the healing of the nations. Months are measures of time and date. So here we have months  in the kingdom. Now  we know that months are filled with days. All used in time.

[Ross]

Just one of those interesting side lines:
Jeremiah 10:2  " Do not learn the way of the nations for the customs of the people are false.
And do not be scared by the signs of the heavens,  for the nations are scared by them. "

This, for me, is like a reinforcement of Paul's statement to the Hebrews about not being conformed to this age,  but literally transformed by the renewing of our mind

Considering that we can't currently fathom the depth of His love by our fleshly mind makes this one incredible statement- not a maybe but a statement.
Awesome stuff really.

[Mickiel]

I think being transformed by the renewing of the mind involves radical change in our consciousness , and  being willing to change when it's needed. To break through the conformity of this age I think we need to take giant steps at times , not hold back with a conservative consciousness. The ways of the nations are almost always traditional thinking. We can't think old school and think we are growing in knowledge. 

[Mickiel]

We have to dare to learn sometimes , walk down roads we never walked before. Learn things we never knew. Even if and when we are wrong, God will reveal that. God says " My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Often it's what we don't know that hurts us. And this is serious stuff, God didn't say we get weak for lack of knowledge, or it will harmfully pass , he said his people are "Destroyed" , for lack of knowledge. That's heavy.

[Mickiel]

We have to dare to learn sometimes , walk down roads we never walked before. Learn things we never knew. Even if and when we are wrong, God will reveal that. God says " My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Often it's what we don't know that hurts us. And this is serious stuff, God didn't say we get weak for lack of knowledge, or it will harmfully pass , he said his people are "Destroyed" , for lack of knowledge. That's heavy.

When we lack vision we perish in our learning. Prov. 29:18 , "Where there is no vision the people perish." Their race just dies out. This is what happened to the  Neanderthal and Cromagnon man.  They just had very little knowledge or vision. They were never conscious of civilization. I get accused a lot for stepping out further. Most just like to stick to the trunk of the tree , I like getting out on the branches and reaching.

[Mickiel]

When God inspires it's awesome , nothing else like it. Being called has by far been the most important exciting thing that has happened to me. Having knowledge downloaded into your consciousness is astounding. I think having knowledge from God is eternal. The wisdom , understanding , intelligence of mind , never wears out , is never used up. The divine gift of spiritual discernment is unimpairable , indestructible , permanent. It cannot be lost , altered , infected or defective , it is everlasting fact.

A true student of God and Christ is just going to be an amazing individual.

[Mickiel]

So where is eternity? Well I think it's all around us , we just can't see it. It's everywhere , the realm of God. I think one could say it's in another dimension and that be correct. To enter you pass from death to life , unless just your spirit is carried there for visitation only. To be shown things, like what happened to The apostle John. No one knows the day or hour God will return, but I bet some of us will sense it. As God draws near , the believer will be affected by that. When God comes closer to earth, it's impossible for nothing to be affected by his movements. Even the earth will sense it. We already long for him.

[Mickiel]

So where is eternity? Well I think it's all around us , we just can't see it. It's everywhere , the realm of God. I think one could say it's in another dimension and that be correct. To enter you pass from death to life , unless just your spirit is carried there for visitation only. To be shown things, like what happened to The apostle John. No one knows the day or hour God will return, but I bet some of us will sense it. As God draws near , the believer will be affected by that. When God comes closer to earth, it's impossible for nothing to be affected by his movements. Even the earth will sense it. We already long for him.

In Romans 8:19-23 " For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the Sons of God.For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope . Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of curruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." For we know the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves , waiting for the adoption , the redemption of our body ".

The earth will sense the coming of God, his leave of absence has affected everything. We were made subject to vanity so we could develop hope to be delivered. This is what spearheaded the events in the garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were made subject to hope , creating the Need for Christ to deliver a world now in bondage. This is the manifestation of the Sons of God. Waiting for the adoption.

[Mickiel]

So where is eternity? Well I think it's all around us , we just can't see it. It's everywhere , the realm of God. I think one could say it's in another dimension and that be correct. To enter you pass from death to life , unless just your spirit is carried there for visitation only. To be shown things, like what happened to The apostle John. No one knows the day or hour God will return, but I bet some of us will sense it. As God draws near , the believer will be affected by that. When God comes closer to earth, it's impossible for nothing to be affected by his movements. Even the earth will sense it. We already long for him.

In Romans 8:19-23 " For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the Sons of God.For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope . Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of curruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." For we know the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves , waiting for the adoption , the redemption of our body ".

The earth will sense the coming of God, his leave of absence has affected everything. We were made subject to vanity so we could develop hope to be delivered. This is what spearheaded the events in the garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were made subject to hope , creating the Need for Christ to deliver a world now in bondage. This is the manifestation of the Sons of God. Waiting for the adoption.

In 1John 3:2-3 , Beloved now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he shall appear, we shall be like him ; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that has this hope in him purifieth himself , even as he is pure. The die is cast, the salvation Is done , now we just wait. But we have a very powerful hope in us, so powerful It purifieth itself. Takes care of itself because It is a living hope.  Not only  will we see God as he originally is, AND we will be "Like him." Gen.3:22" The Lord God said , behold the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil." So again part of being In God's image is our consciousness, that is open to God. We cannot be conscious of, those things we are not conscious of. It has been granted to us to know.

[Mickiel]

1Pet.1:3-5 ,God , according to his abundant mercy has given us a lively Hope ,( a living Hope ) , by the resurrection of Jesus from the dead , to an inheritance incorruptible an undefiled , and that does not grow weaker , reserved in heaven for you. Our salvation is kept by the power of God.  The devil , sin and and evil cannot get to it and infect our salvation , it's super secured and sealed. Our own behavior cannot touch our salvation , our birthright. We have reservations in heaven booked long ago. This is great news for sinners and unbelievers. Everyone will be vacinated as salvation becomes a mandate.  An actual date with the Father. Jesus as our advocate is able to save them, Heb. 7:25 he ever liveth to make intercession for the them. Praise God, how wonderful this insurance that the Father freely gives. Jesus ever lives to stand up for us and make us righteous before the Father

We're so covered , so protected , so loved!  Even when satan manages to get into our heads while we pray , Jesus is there to intercede for us and present the prayer to the Father without spot or wrinkle.

[Mickiel]

Yes, yes , with Jesus as our advocate , meaning our support system, pleads on our behalf and represents our salvation interest. He singlehandedly took on Satan and defeated him in a classic case of power and purge. He gave his life for us all and because of that he became a better Saviour. Through Christ the Father imputes No sin to humanity. What do we even say to him when we meet in eternity? Just fall to our knees and worship.

[Mickiel]

Yes, yes , with Jesus as our advocate , meaning our support system, pleads on our behalf and represents our salvation interest. He singlehandedly took on Satan and defeated him in a classic case of power and purge. He gave his life for us all and because of that he became a better Saviour. Through Christ the Father imputes No sin to humanity. What do we even say to him when we meet in eternity? Just fall to our knees and worship.

We fall on our knees with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord., We are changed into the same image from glory to glory , even as by the spirit of the Lord . Now the Lord Is that spirit ; and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2Corinth. 3:17-18. Liberty, freedom not bondage to sin and the lake of fire. Freedom from the punishments that religion has announced. Our salvation interest are things which may not be seen , but the things not seen are eternal. Our salvation interest are vested in the manufactured death and resurrection   of Christ. Jesus came to give his very life as a ransom for many ,  Matt.20:28. And weave the Father into many. Eph. 4:6 One God and Father of all , who is above all , and through all and In you all. And all are given grace. Salvation is complete coverage . And we must seriously learn this salvation and be well grounded in it. No longer tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine , but speaking the truth in love and grow up into him.

[Mickiel]

So me myself, I like speaking out in places I go like this , you know say something, bear witness to the truth you know. Strangely most people tend to be quiet and hardly share. Part of worshipping is speaking out , tell the people what God has done to you. Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. It's so much better when you fellowship with a person instead of a wall. You glean so much more. Satan has slapped a wall of silence on many believers, to silence that truth he hates. God bless your hearts, don't allow him to gag you .

Visit some of the universalism sites and see how that strong spirit of silence is making them almost dead of inspiration. Their leaders  are dying off and the young newcomers neglected. God help us
.

[Mickiel]

There is the fear of sharing that has gotten out there. Believers in this new truth seem to think we're supposed to be mute statues and withhold these truths. I never have understood this. It's like a spell cast over a people. Just because they learned it's God that opens a human, then they seem to think they need to stay out of that. Leave the newcomer to learn on their own. Or as if we can't share the truth because it's classified or something. Just lazy weird ideas that are not helpful to people at all. Hoarding the truth unto themselves.

[Mickiel]

There is the fear of sharing that has gotten out there. Believers in this new truth seem to think we're supposed to be mute statues and withhold these truths. I never have understood this. It's like a spell cast over a people. Just because they learned it's God that opens a human, then they seem to think they need to stay out of that. Leave the newcomer to learn on their own. Or as if we can't share the truth because it's classified or something. Just lazy weird ideas that are not helpful to people at all. Hoarding the truth unto themselves.

We need not hoard the truth , or hide behind it on a website. As people are drawn to the truth, there's nothing other believers can do to mess that process up. Open your hearts to others , for we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth, 2Corinth. 13: 8. The bible is not against sharing the truth. Witnessing is not a taboo.  We don't have to stand on street corners shouting out scripture , or try to convince others of this way , but at least be willing to explain your belief as that door opens. If heaven knows your going to have radio silence, then that door probably won't open for you anyway.

God's truth will endure to all generations , Psalms 100:5. If I asked you what is your active right now participation in this , how are you helping this truth endure , what will you say? Let me give an example. Here we have a person called by God , they are filled with truth, knowledge of God bursting at the seems: the spirit seems to be with them, yet they can walk around all day long , interact with all kinds of people , and never even mention God and his truth. Go the whole day and never discuss salvation with others.

And some brethren dare bring up "',well I don't want to cast pearls  on swine ". Meaning why waste the truth, really your saying why waste your time on an unbeliever. Their minds are closed. No , push forward with all those gifts you have collecting moss. Let each of us prove our own work, Gal.6:4. We cannot afford to grow weary in our well doing , your equipped enough to Bear your own burden , and let those taught in the word communicate , and experience the love , joy and will of spreading the gospel out of your mouth, pass your face, and into the conscious mind of another.

[Mickiel]

To Bear witness to the truth you make a statement with your life and how you live it.  You communicate , you don't be silent and hold back. You can bear witness through your writing, through art or by simply sharing. In John 18:37 Jesus said he came into the world to Bear witness to the truth. Jesus communicated with the people. He used scripture and parables. He actively participated every day. I used to go to nursery homes , recreation centers and schools and tell this truth. I recall writing for magazines and newspapers along the way. It's been a ball.