The fear of Eternity

[Mickiel]

It's strange to me how many are dismissing time iin eternity, when one of the definitions of eternity is endless time.

On Isaiah 46:9-10, God speaking, ' Remember the former things of old , for I am God , and there is none like me. Declaring the end and from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done.. saying my counsel shall stand and I will do all my pleasure. So we can remember the former things of God old. And Notice God said of time can be things not yet done. And he says he will do them. But he's taking his time. In the kingdom we will be on God's time.



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[Mickiel]

From ancient times God's counsel shall stand , Isaiah 46;10
Look at that will you , God's counsel and time are old., But they shall stand, we cannot strip time from God's wisdom. In Psalms 33:11the counsel of the Lord stands forever. In my view this means time stands forever.

[Mickiel]

God says his counsel shall stand , from ancient times it stands forever. This is God revealing that time is ancient , l can no longer agree that time was created for man. Mankind was alloted a certain amount of time to exist and in flesh , but time was here far before we were. Time is simply the pace and space of God. Somebody came up with some attractive slick ways to define time and eternity , you know, that shinning glowing knowledge that swells the head , and we become interested.

Now we want to strip time from eternity , that's like trying to remove pace from God's plans. As if he is human and has all day to do nothing. Along with his great power comes great responsibility. His counsel , his time are deeply thought out and discussed.

[Mickiel]

In Rev.20:6 it speaks of the first resurrection and the Priest of God and Christ shall reign one thousand years. This is in the kingdom in eternity , and it's predicting time. Verse 7 says when the thousand years have expired, Satan is loosed, but this has time expiring on a planned event which I find hard to believe any way. Satan being loosed with in the kingdom and thousands being deceived. There's something weird about that , it makes no sense to me, but that is just my opinion. All that is unneeded. Cruel and unlike God's planning.

[Mickiel]

In Rev.20:6 it speaks of the first resurrection and the Priest of God and Christ shall reign one thousand years. This is in the kingdom in eternity , and it's predicting time. Verse 7 says when the thousand years have expired, Satan is loosed, but this has time expiring on a planned event which I find hard to believe any way. Satan being loosed with in the kingdom and thousands being deceived. There's something weird about that , it makes no sense to me, but that is just my opinion. All that is unneeded. Cruel and unlike God's planning.

It's really weird to disagree with something in scripture, it hurts my heart to think about the kingdom already established, and it gives a measured time event , one thousand years. Then after all that peace and love , now Satan is loosed on the people again.  That to me is barbaric . Just makes no sense to me. But you know how it is when you don't know and comprehend things. Excuse me please but I just don't like this. It's just so out of place.

[Mickiel]

As shady as it is to me , Rev.20:6 shows time being counted in eternity, a strange and most unusual event that highlights  a one thousand year period where satan is  bound and then loosed after the 1,000 period is over and he attacks the people again. Although I use it as an example of time existing in eternity , I find the event itself questionable. Why do this after 10000 years of peace.

Most likely the citizens knows it's committed by scripture and coming. What are they to do, count the days until it comes? After all that kingdom time Satan is allowed to wreck more havoc? He should have been killed and gone, but now this evil again. In my view , and I stress that this is my personal view , it's one of those spots in scripture I hope we got wrong. I sense something seriously in error here and it depresses me without end.

I pray God's understanding and he help my unbelief.

[Mickiel]

Will heaven have a calendar of events in the Kingdom? I think a reasonable question. Because if it does, then time is measured there. Let's say an event is coming ,how  will the citizens be notified? However  it's done , it must include a time up ahead.  Tomorrow , next week ,or the third cock crowing. Word of mouth. The event just automatically placed within our minds.? In. Some cases it's better tu use time not dismiss it. Time is not evil.

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[Mickiel]

I don't know, God has a way of testing people. The time he was seeing if his servant would sacrifice his own son , he stopped him. He had Job seriously tested. He killed all his animals , servants and children. Then gave him back more than he ever had before. So with this thousand year exile of Satan then sicking Satan on the kingdom like a dog , will have it's rich results. God help me, I wish I could take part in killing Satan. I have never wanted to kill in my life , but I would kill Satan if allowed. Horrible isn't it , a believer wanting to kill. God help me. Believe me, he would kill any of us and think nothing of it. Satan is a murderer , mad at all humanity, insanely jealous of us. He hates salvation. Satan is evil , nuclear and explosive , torrid and  mean.  That's why I believe God is going to will him out of existence.

[Mickiel]

God has sacrificed a whole lot to bring us into eternity. Way much more than is revealed. He has had to kill and I know he does not like it. He has had to bring evil and suffering for into existence, and I know for sure he does not like that. I think his heart bleeds sometimes for us as all creation moans as it awaits that great day when God has had enough and says stop, no further. I feel for God sometimes because he has invested so much of himself into salvation. His pure love and kindness has to put up with Satan and so much death and heartache. Oh bless our Father his goodness has to hold fire. We ought to love him far more than we do.

I am glad he has Jesus with him and his elders and angels. I imagine he has them sing for him at times to comfort him. I just thank him sometimes just for putting up with me. With mankind. His ways are unlike our own. When his Great heart is heavy  , perhaps all of heaven moans. He has put so much into our salvation. Comfort our God with prayers of Thanksgiving from the deepest part of our conscious souls.

[Mickiel]

I wish I knew God more than I do , I know very little. He hides himself,  Isaiah 45:16. Hides himself in eternity so humans cannot perceive him before the "Time". The calling of God is just a matter of time. it would be a gift to know God. Jesus said in John 17:25 " Oh righteous Father the world has not known thee
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Job says in 36:27," God is great, we know him not." I long to know him and to be righteous. Jesus said those who hunger and thrist for righteousness shall be filled , and I believe that, but each in God's time. This movement to remove God from time is motionless in reality. Stagnant and misunderstood. But God knows what he is doing , we just don't know. In Jer. 24;7 , God reveals that he gives humans the heart to know him. Oh and it takes heart to know him.

It would help if the heart was active and thirsty to serve. I missed out on a glorious chance to serve  a couple of months ago. I went to the hospital , my cancer  bothering me. I was in the lobby and had to use the restroom. Once in there I saw a man in a wheelchair struggling to get onto a toilet. I wanted to help but I felt arkward. I was ashamed to help because I thought to help him would shame him. So I ignored him and left. In that lobby I asked God to go forgive me. That was six months ago and it still bugs me. It requires a heart to serve. And to know God it requires a heart to serve him no matter what. You can't be ashamed to move and act , to love and sense when your just wrong.




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[Mickiel]

God gives the heart to know him. I can't figure out why God chooses people , they all are different. He may have chosen Israel because of their disobedience and reveal himself saving a whole tribe even in their disobedience, showing he will do the same for a disobedient world. In Isaiah 48:10-11, "I have chosen thee  in the furnace of affliction, for my own sake, even for my own sake. His own sake means his own reason. Be He is the redeemer.
God does not give reasons for calling people or timing. He inspired it to be known that he will call weak people to confuse the strong. Again Jesus taught that he came not to call the righteous but sinners to repent. So the target is the unconverted unbelievers.

God is not democrat or republican , he is a dictator. And he will pour out his spirit on all flesh , Joel 2:28. He is not taking votes or asking our opions , he is unconcerned with the will of man. He does things we don't understand Job 37:5.  He has some strict sides to him in Isaiah 40:17," , All nations before him are as nothing and they are counted by him to be less than nothing  and meaningless. A most unusual God. Then in Isaiah 45:23 he is swearing by his own holiness, that unto him every knee shall bow and  confess
Other words converted.

[Mickiel]

Really if you think about it ,in the end God wouldn't really have to kill anyone , we would kill ourselves globally and no flesh would be left alive , if he just left us to ourselves. But God must have  a personal schedule and wants it done his way , he would rather end things in his way, reflecting that he is alpha and Omega, he will speed up what we have globally done anyway , were even helping to kill the earth without war. Everyday I see bad news on our climate and how we cause that to erode, and mankind can't even agree on that.

Gen.1;1 in the beginning God created , should have read in "A" beginning God created. Same with John 1:1 , but then it calls Jesus a God. So is Jesus a God? Well now he never calls himself a God and the Father said none besides him is a God, and Jesus was sitting beside him when he said that. But in John 1:3 it reveals that Christ actually created everything that is. How could anything but a God do that? So whatever he is , he is mighty. I am unclear on him m being a God, but I favor it at times. I just can't get over the Father saying he alone is God, because God trump's everything said in scripture, no matter who else has said it. So I don't really know if Jesus is a God, but I sense he is, but I just can't explain it.

[Mickiel]

Are there reasons for humans to really reject salvation? Well yes there are. I mean we may not agree with them or like it, but hey man people are indeed different. Atheist are simply unbelievers. Absolutely nothing wrong with their emotions , intellect , education , family life , many of them are Patriots. And veterans. Just no God in their belief. I dated an atheist once just to see how she the things would be  , she was brilliant. But just devoid of God completely , and that is unattractive to me I had to admit.  I see why the bible suggest you don't marry unbelievers. It can work, but I think it would require some serious adjustments.

Many are raised in countries that are not religious at all, so it's just their learned way of life. Salvation is a meaningless mystery to them, their state of unbelief not their fault at all. Salvation to most will be reeducation , others just a whole new experience. The hardest I think will be religious people who have been deceived, like most of Christianity , their going to be some tuff nuts to crack , badly damaged doctrines of God that are literally in their bloodstream. This world has always needed God but it's gotten worse.

More and more Satan is deceiving and seducing in incredible ways as he masters his hatred and uses his power to influence and manipulate. The truth is in drought , you hold some precious information and knowledge , which is why you are a target of the underworld. And they will be coming. This is why we need God's protection. Salvation is the real treasure and threat to Satan's kingdom.

[Mickiel]

Gen. 3:22 is another possible reason God designed salvation in the flesh first for humanity. " The man has become like one of "Us", knowing good and evil. Obviously God knew about evil before man did , he knew about it. The possibility of him being opposed. Now God knows there can never be a power greater than he , it's basically impossible but still improbability or imaginations in reality of evil he wanted to deal with up front , I think to show how it would result. Kind of like teach a serious lesson, "You go down this path you will surely die." A serious message amongst eternals. Its a message for his children too. There is only one way to deal with life , God's way. Either you know that and live , or face extingsion. It's God's way or no way. Which is why I say God is basically a dictator, just a loving good one. But make no mistake , he will not allow rebellion. The angels rebelling is a misunderstood myth, they did and do as God bids them to do. They cannot act outside of God's will. And on that God will have a clear understanding with all life permitted to live.

So it's better we know evil in the flesh, experience it and have an out; a way to escape it's power, because it is a power. Sin is it's calling card , it's introduction to evil. We can get burnt , heal and never have to experience such pain again. So salvation has many inner meanings , because angels have not had to be brought in this way. Only humanity has to do this most unusual interesting pledge.

[Mickiel]

 Angels know what's coming in our salvation. Just look at the joy from the foundations of the  earth are beginning to be laid in Job 38:6-7, "Where are the foundations fastened ? Who laid the cornerstone? When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"  Angels shouting and rejoicing , happy and hopeful at our incoming majestic birth to meet their younger family of personal beings from God.

So salvation is also a VERY large family being united with God's own offspring. Mighty angels , many personally designed and assigned to us and our well being. Raising us like children, showing and training us how to live our new incredible lives. Oh what a great time it will be as they show us how to live and eat and rest in our new homes. Teach us the routines and guide our worship.

In Psalms 65:5-6, "Blessed is the man whom thou choose and "caused" to approach you that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even the holy temple. God caused the human to approach.verse 5, "By terrible things in righteousness will thou answer us, oh God of our salvation." The data is clear, all who live in Christ shall suffer persecution , terrible things that become the incredible building blocks of God's ingenuity and salvation investment in himself birthing new Life through such enigmatic creative techniques.

[Mickiel]

 As we suffer now we are not alone in our suffering for salvation. God himself suffers these things happening and what he must do. In 2Pet. 3:15 God suffers long and that long-suffering is salvation. He knows the time is coming where he will turn up the elements and melt things with fervent heat. It's called the Day of the Lord in 2Pet. 3:10 and that day will come like a thief in the night, totally unexpected. It will burn the earth itself up.  Goodness.

[Mickiel]

We were justified freely by his grace and that justification is a universal remedy. A slave mass market of sinners , sold under sin, under sentence of death. Christ brought out the market and the redeemed can never again be exposed to sale. Redemption by sacrifice and power. The destruction is really construction.

[Mickiel]

I haven't said this in awhile , I am redeemed! Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. To have a life reversed from sin to salvation is a great shifting of gears , a gift , a birthright , an inheritance. The Holy Spirit has us covered. We got it made really, the deal of the century. Why not be happy? Sometimes I am so sad I just don't know why. Maybe this world is depressing. Or I just need a new head.

[Mickiel]

I groan with creation groaning. We can feel the effects of the world suffering and be motivated by the redemption granted by the superior God, who gave grace to each of us according to what Christ wanted measured unto you. Even in captivity he gave us gifts. For the perfection of the saints as we go through designed skits for our lives. That we can grow up in him and increase the body  of Christ in love. We have access to the Father in confidence and boldness to bear witness to his awe inspiring love for all of humanity.

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[Mickiel]

So I am inspired to write let love continue , so we might boldly say the Lord is my helper , his help will not decrease , Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is Alpha and Omega,  the complete cycle of our lives.  By him therefore let's us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually , meaning each time you remember to. Witness the fruit of your lips as you open your heart to the people. Remember people are in bondage and really need the good news. Jesus being the mediator of the new covenant  , sprinkled his blood that we may speak better things in public. Break the shell of selfish silence and leak out the power within you. Don't pass the opportunity to serve. I did that a month ago and it decreased my spirit. Like loosing air in a balloon , something is missing in that motivation. You were made to help, as we draw near that help should increase. Heirs of the kingdom must not be hearers only but doers of the word. And keep ourselves unspotted from the world.

[darryl]

Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings.  Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb.  A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.

Isiaiah says God created evil...and darkness....not moral evil, i believe..but evil events for a greater Good

Can you explain how moral evil is seperate from evil.

abstract concepts aren't easy to explain.... the Bible says  "God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5)...moral evil IS darkness

[darryl]

. Satan is evil , nuclear and explosive , torrid and  mean.  That's why I believe God is going to will him out of existence.

or even better, transform Satan into something Good as He transforms us.

[Mickiel]

Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings.  Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb.  A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.

Isiaiah says God created evil...and darkness....not moral evil, i believe..but evil events for a greater Good

Can you explain how moral evil is seperate from evil.

abstract concepts aren't easy to explain.... the Bible says  "God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5)...moral evil IS darkness

There is no darkness in God , but in Isaiah 45:7 he said he created the darkness. And evil. Now moral evil came from evil. God did not create moral evil, which is murder, rape , robbery , hatred and jealousy and things like that, but he created the source it came from, Satan. God created the vehicle by which evil morals came into the world. He created the root of evil from which all forms of it grew. He opened the door so he is responsible , which is why we cannot be condemned. In John 8:44 Satan is the father of this stuff.

[Mickiel]

. Satan is evil , nuclear and explosive , torrid and  mean.  That's why I believe God is going to will him out of existence.

or even better, transform Satan into something Good as He transforms us.

I personally believe Satan will be destroyed. I see nothing in scripture that hints God may recreate him. We may not like it, but God is Omega, the end of things he does not want.