The fear of Eternity

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Mickiel

Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 01:48:51 AM
Praise God for his salvation. I think so much about God, nothing better to do. I wonder what he thinks of me? I wonder how often he personally addresses the hordes of heaven. What does he say? Know he likes singing , I  wonder if he sings himself. Wonder what he looks like.  In Psalms it says he adorns him self with majesty. A key that he created parts of himself.  I'll show the scripture later .

It says he made himself more beautiful. It almost describes
him like we would describe a woman . Using those terms..  he's lovely. And it uses masculine terms as well
. Without heavenly shielding we look at him and die. Stunning!
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In Job 40:10 Deck thyself with majesty and glory and Excellency
. In Psalms 104;2  God covers himself with light. Like a garment

Mickiel

Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 02:54:29 AM
Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 01:48:51 AM
Praise God for his salvation. I think so much about God, nothing better to do. I wonder what he thinks of me? I wonder how often he personally addresses the hordes of heaven. What does he say? Know he likes singing , I  wonder if he sings himself. Wonder what he looks like.  In Psalms it says he adorns him self with majesty. A key that he created parts of himself.  I'll show the scripture later .

It says he made himself more beautiful. It almost describes
him like we would describe a woman . Using those terms..  he's lovely. And it uses masculine terms as well
. Without heavenly shielding we look at him and die. Stunning!
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In Job 40:10 Deck thyself with majesty and glory and Excellency
. In Psalms 104;2  God covers himself with light. Like a garment

Here we see God doing things to himself. God is poking at Job asking him if he  can do what he can. He 'decked himself" .. or he created more majestic glory about himself. He "Covers himself" with light , as if it's a part of his wardrobe. Stunning.

Mickiel

Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings.  Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb.  A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.

darryl

Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 11:44:36 AM
Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings.  Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb.  A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.

Isiaiah says God created evil...and darkness....not moral evil, i believe..but evil events for a greater Good
"I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance".Isaiah 45:23

Mickiel

Quote from: darryl on July 06, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: Mickiel on July 06, 2021, 11:44:36 AM
Even Jesus did things to himself, in John 17: 19 Jesus said he sanctified himself. Made himself holy. These are powerful beings.  Job 42:2 he knew God can do everything. He transformed Jesus from a spirit being , into a human spamadazoa inside Mary's womb.  A miracle. In Psalms 104:1 God is clothed with honour and majesty. Who clothed him? He clothed himself. We serve some most unusual beings. God even makes people crooked. Ecclesiastes 7;13, it even calls it a work of God to make a man crooked. Nobody but God can straighten them out but God.

Isiaiah says God created evil...and darkness....not moral evil, i believe..but evil events for a greater Good

Can you explain how moral evil is seperate from evil.

Mickiel

In my view God can infect the morals of a human, with evil , ..,even harden their hearts. He can easily install it on their memory banks and appeal directly to the cerebellum in the cerebral cortex of their brain. It will be there and stay there and until they are released. He can even lock them up in unbelief , which is a moral evil.

Mickiel

In Lamentations 3:38 out of the Lord's mouth proceeds evil and good. In vs 9 again we see him making a path crooked. In fact a whole church of God had bad morals, the church at Pergamos in Rev.2:15 had beliefs that Jesus hated! Because the doctrines were evil.

Mickiel

God created Satan , the king of evil moral. When Satan enters the human consciousness , he now controls the cerebral cortex and a devastating dominion of extraordinary manipulation begins and it can last a lifetime. How great is the darkness?

Mickiel


Once Satan has accessed the cerebrum cortex , then the consciousness can be seared. No condition he can put you in is out of bounds. Look at how Satan has deceived the world. He has them believing that we came from apes. We are not continuous with the idiot heirachy of speechless apes.

Mickiel

One of the keys to Satan deceiving is mind games. One game is to con you, trick you into thinking you don't have something that you do , like salvation. He enters doubt into you, like entering data into a computer. God says life but Satan says death. God says you are his, Satan cons and says y our not good enough. God says the salvation of all is possible, religion says it's blasphemy.

So Satan counts counter clockwise. He places other images in the mirror your eyes peer into. Sinister systematic seduction of the Christian mind. He alters God's image. The image of God is his mind. We are in his image means we have a mind, Satan wants to subtract and distort that.

Mickiel



In James 1:14-15 we see the cerebral cortex being accessed; "But every man is tempted , when he is drawn away by his own lust , and enticed: now the thought goes up and he is accessed. Then when lust has conceived , it gives birth to sin; now the consciousness is seduced and stuck. The results can be like quick sand or slow sand.
The trap can last a lifetime if God does not intervene.this is part of what we need salvation from. A whirlwind of deception can exist in this process. Conversely a whirlwind of truth as well.

Mickiel

About the best reasoning I have read is that God designed salvation to be a challenge to us that builds character, through the push and pull in life. God never had any opposition so he had to create it.  I am open to any other views.

Mickiel

In Isaiah 65:17-19 "I create a new heaven and a 🆕 earth. He created Jerusalem rejoicing, her people a joy. Again love, joy, will. The former things will not be remembered.

Mickiel

Quote from: Mickiel on July 09, 2021, 04:14:33 AM
In Isaiah 65:17-19 "I create a new heaven and a 🆕 earth. He created Jerusalem rejoicing, her people a joy. Again love, joy, will. The former things will not be remembered.

I wonder what God means when he said he will create new heavens? Does he mean a whole new universe?  This makes salvation even more exciting. How will we travel? The universe is endless and eternity is as well. This is so exciting.

Mickiel

John saw a new heaven and a new earth, in Rev. 21:1-2, coming down from God, " Prepared" as a bride for her husband.  Even the holy city is described like we would describe a woman. The intimacy here is impactful. It's going to be beautiful and God will wipe away our tears.. Spiritually sensual as God personally crosses us over. A show of care and concern , and he will be with us. He promised to make all things new.


Mickiel

Even we are described in terms of a woman, in Rev.19:7-8 , we are called Christ wife arrayed the in fine linen.  A romance , it's a love story. Salvation is a biblical love story.


Mickiel

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In Gen. 17 One of God's names can be interpreted Elshaddy ,or the many breasted one , feminine isn't it. There is neither male or female in heaven , nothing is said about a mixture of the two. Or characteristics of the two. I am sure no sexual organs , but Hallmark creative signs of the two , like faces and hair on angels that appear human.

So much male and female connotations are used in the bible , that I think the kingdom creations do reflect some level of it in both the angelic realm and God himself. And we surely must be cautious as to how we describe God.

Mickiel

The bible is not sexist because neither is salvation. Women financed Christ ministry , he was born of the spirit through a woman. We have female biblical authors ,. And we have Eve , the first human to confront Satan. Eve was a leader with a strong will ,we know this from God's curse on her , to be submissive to Adam , meaning she was not that way before. Why would God curse her with a condition she was already in?  So Pryor to her stepping up on Satan, she was most likely The leader and not submissive..

Abigail

Hi Michiel,
I was just browsing through some of your posts. I understand the way you ask questions and think and reason, because I have the tendency to think that way too (and get stuck). One thing is, I don?t want to say this as a cliche, some things are really beyond what we can imagine. Like time and space, no one can grasp the idea of universe (what is beyond the universe? And beyond that? And when it stops what comes beyond that? Same with time and eternity, your mind snaps when you try to comprehend something that?s just to big for the little brains we have.

When I read your seeking questions that beg for answers it reminds me of the need to be as a little child that trusts it?s Father. Even if they are traveling to a place that is totally new and strange to the child, but the Father knows where you?re going and the child feels safe since he knows the Father is good and cares for Him. There are things you just can?t explain to little ones, and our Father is so much bigger than us. I don?t say stop thinking. But I?ve found that some sorts of reasoning, or trying to grasp things just don?t work and make you walk in circles in your head and don?t bring you nearer to really knowing Him. And that is what Christ came to give us: ?And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.?

I?ve found that when I ask questions to my Father as a child does, it brings me in a much better place then when I am just trying to figure out an unknown mystical being called God. Even if it?s just a childlike cry, maybe full of frustration and hurt. Even if I don?t have the answers immediately (often they come gradually, over time, or I am even changed by just the process of asking and crying out and the question might even no longer be an issue).

Mickiel

Quote from: Abigail on July 10, 2021, 11:04:05 PM
Hi Michiel,
I was just browsing through some of your posts. I understand the way you ask questions and think and reason, because I have the tendency to think that way too (and get stuck). One thing is, I don?t want to say this as a cliche, some things are really beyond what we can imagine. Like time and space, no one can grasp the idea of universe (what is beyond the universe? And beyond that? And when it stops what comes beyond that? Same with time and eternity, your mind snaps when you try to comprehend something that?s just to big for the little brains we have.

When I read your seeking questions that beg for answers it reminds me of the need to be as a little child that trusts it?s Father. Even if they are traveling to a place that is totally new and strange to the child, but the Father knows where you?re going and the child feels safe since he knows the Father is good and cares for Him. There are things you just can?t explain to little ones, and our Father is so much bigger than us. I don?t say stop thinking. But I?ve found that some sorts of reasoning, or trying to grasp things just don?t work and make you walk in circles in your head and don?t bring you nearer to really knowing Him. And that is what Christ came to give us: ?And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.?

I?ve found that when I ask questions to my Father as a child does, it brings me in a much better place then when I am just trying to figure out an unknown mystical being called God. Even if it?s just a childlike cry, maybe full of frustration and hurt. Even if I don?t have the answers immediately (often they come gradually, over time, or I am even changed by just the process of asking and crying out and the question might even no longer be an issue).

Hello Abigail,

Your so right , I am so curious about so many things , even my own notes confuse me at times, I wonder "Where did that come From"? But as you say God is driving us and he knows where he is going. I have asked  him many questions over the years, some answered some not. But I always ask him and Jesus to not allow me to mislead people. Sometimes my thoughts are nuclear and Xplosive. So I have to keep his word in front of my frail mind.

I thank you for your kindness.

Mickiel


The female point of view is most interesting. Also interesting is that more females are believers than males , and that's across all cultures. And more religious. If God had not cursed Eve I think women would have run this world.  Now that would have been interesting.

Mickiel

Understanding time and eternity would be quite something. It's like a world with no rivers or lakes , no sea. A world where it never rained. A world with no pain , no currency , where no one ever died. A world with no time. Now that one I really don't understand. I don't see how time cannot exist. If we're living in the kingdom and you see me walking and you plan on coming by my mansion, do you day, "See you in ten minutes".  But you can't say that if no time exist. We can never know how old God is.. How does heaven schedule things? How can we ever talk about the past, if the past no longer exist? Is having a memory forbidden?

This is going to be otherworldly.

Mickiel


Doesn't it make more sense to say time exist in eternity , but it just has no end? Eternity is time with no end. I mean how does that strike you? If I spend eternity with you, am I not spending time with you?

Mickiel

I am not arguing , but let's say if I was, I would argue for time being something we cannot just brush off because we lack knowledge , we error because of that. Why should time be eliminated? What scripture says it should. A thousand years is as one day with God, can just as well mean time passes fast with him instead of slow. Or it could mean time is measured differently. Years and days are still time.

God is just not bound by time, that means many things in eternity, like people don't age. God's 24 elders on his throne are hinted to be ancient. Wise beings, like God's advisory board. His deepest friends and servants he deeply trust. With Christ at his side and these elders  , along with great awesome Cerephims and Cherabs ,  God's throne is formidable and had sanctified and sanctioned salvation. All their power invested on in us , and I suggest they planned it and that takes time, God could have to instantaneous done all this in an instant. But he didn't , he took his time. He wanted the time taken. We're waiting are we not. Do you think in  the kingdom we won't have to wait on things?
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.most believers think there will be no more time. I think time just won't end.

Mickiel


It's strange to me how many are dismissing time iin eternity, when one of the definitions of eternity is endless time.