Grand Plan of God

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I didn't say winter WAS death, it was obviously an example of PERCEIVING death, because in the winter's up north, a lot of things, DIE. Seasons change, display different states of growth and death. All these natural occurrences were given to display spiritual truths, just like the Tabernacle of Moses, another witness. Because they came forth from Him, they can do nothing but display His nature in a "lowered" or "lesser" form, just like the woman and the soul is the lesser glory yet she still possesses glory.

You got it backwards; I didn't say death measures time, I said time is the measurement of death. Before the creation WAS, He WAS, and He is/was Spirit, and He poured Himself out like water into what was made by Him. Which is why B for berecrap (Genesis) was the first letter used in Genesis and not the A. He created the "house" and then He filled it with Himself. My  :2c: Blessings...

[micah7:9]

"I didn't say winter WAS death, it was obviously an example of PERCEIVING death, because in the winter's up north, a lot of things, DIE."

You said, "Time is the measurement of death. Something has to die to create time (think of the seasons for example and winter)." Perceiving? And "something has to die to create time" So without something dying there is no time?

You said " I didn't say winter WAS death, it was obviously an example of PERCEIVING death, because in the winter's up north, a lot of things, DIE."

In Winter up north, things go dormant, they do not die. Then you said, "Therefore there's no time in His Spirit because there's no death in His Spirit."

Where did you get the idea there is "no time in His spirit" just what is not happening in His spirit at any time ? Nothing?
Now this one really got me, "just like the woman and the soul is the lesser glory yet she still possesses glory." Could you explain that to me?
Yeah I am a bit befuddled. :Chinscratch:

[rosered]

  I do see  what Bex is saying and understand your   stance on this Micah

   It is true death  , being compared to winter in the sense of dormancy...     A cold lifeless     HOLD for a season ..  Just as Jesus dies on the cross in 1 Cor 15  Paul explains , this death [ to only know Jesus Christ and Him crucified ] would  bring  all   LIFE in new  creation  from within Himself  [ by Him and though Him and for Him  are all things   Col 1 ,  what is dead  being the Lord/ Master /Chief / first  of this pattern ,

  of the dead  would make new life come from His substance '' Christ 'by faith  in GODS WORD by the SPIRIT ' anointing/to smear with Holy oil  and keep the fire burning of Holy Spirit  of God the Father  ]] ...   as the perfect  could only do ...    there is no corruption  whatsoever  ,it is pure  , Holy  , clean ,

This is why Jesus said , I   desire it you would be  hot or cold    ,  on fire  for God[ Holy Spirit & fire  or  lifeless as one dead  , the lukewarm state of the last   day church   [ This WORD   spoken  ,judges us on the last Day ,  does become  , and that warning shows us that it is  unworkable and will be  cast out of His body ,  to die , rejected  branches  to be burned   ,  Only  the dead/cold  and the living/hot   are HIS     , being the Lord /Master of the dead and the Living ,  cold to raise to life again   from the dead  or    Hot  and   teachable  and receiving   of Him  , this world is on FIRE   ,  and   the natural eye cannot see it    , Jesus come to set the world on fire     and  His cross is that pivotal point   ,  to judge the quick and the dead ...   

The hope is in the Lord to make the  new life   spring forth  as the new season He ordains   and sets  in motion by His desire .  this is why Paul could say I die daily ,,,    the world put him to death hating him , but Christ kept Him alive in hope by faith that He will also experience the glory of GOD  being in the risen Christ 

1 Cor 15       in The Order of Resurrection.........
...30Why are we also in danger every hour? 31I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what does it profit me? If the dead are not raised, LET US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE....

Jesus come to raise the dead to Life again from among the dead ...    by His Word and Spirit   do we   worship God the Father

  I agree with you in the sense of in the fulness of Time     , because time is a measure , GOD set in motion this event  ,       that Christ come   as a babe  by  the woman born UNDER LAW   , bondage  law of moses  ministration of  death   to set the world free from corruption  /DEATH     , this pattern  SON  , manchild  [Rev 12 ], that would    though the Church /assembly of   ISRAEL  , ALL THOSE    GATHERED  BEFORE  Him were set free    in the moment of His own rising up   in GLORY and that GLORY REMAINS   TO THIS DAY ...   bringing   many sons in to the same glory before the world was   being  created by HIM     and making new     ,, 1Cor 15 ..
  This whole  post was  not meant   to be , some got lost , but Gods will be done  :HeartThrob:  love to you  all   in Christ our greatest  hope ALIVE

[lastpost]

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed".

It seems to me that there are two definitions of time that need to be considered.
There is the "time" that belongs to God.
There is the "time" that belongs to man.

If God never changes then man's time is outside of God.

Ever-present time, God's time, is caused to overflow by sinful man who separates himself from God.
Hence ever-present time outflows into man's time, night, and inflows as day until it is once again reconciled in ever-present time.

Now is the time. Within is the unchanging Spirit. The Christ of God ever calls the children of God to recognise His unchanging Nature within them.

Leaving the sinful nature behind and living unto Him in the Spirit. Unfolding ever-revealing youthfulness which has always been unchanging. It is there to be had by all, in my opinion.

Peace.

[rosered]

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed".

It seems to me that there are two definitions of time that need to be considered.
There is the "time" that belongs to God.
There is the "time" that belongs to man.

If God never changes then man's time is outside of God.

Ever-present time, God's time, is caused to overflow by sinful man who separates himself from God.
Hence ever-present time outflows into man's time, night, and inflows as day until it is once again reconciled in ever-present time.

Now is the time. Within is the unchanging Spirit. The Christ of God ever calls the children of God to recognise His unchanging Nature within them.

Leaving the sinful nature behind and living unto Him in the Spirit. Unfolding ever-revealing youthfulness which has always been unchanging. It is there to be had by all, in my opinion.

Peace.

:thumbsup:                    Wait upon the Lord !!   Isaiah 40   But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.         :banana:

  Walkin the Spirit of light and life    ,    here is the patience of     the holy ones /saints   ,   The burning bush was not consumed   as well!!




Revelation 14:12-20Expanded Bible (EXB)

This means ·God's holy people [T the saints] must ·be patient [persevere; endure]. They must ·obey [keep] God's commands and ·keep their faith in [remain faithful to] Jesus.




Then I heard a voice from heaven saying, "Write this: ·Blessed [or Happy] are the dead who die from now on in the Lord."

The Spirit says, "Yes, they will rest from their hard work, ·and the reward of all they have done stays with them [L for their deeds will follow them]."

Then I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and sitting on the white cloud was One who looked like a ·Son of Man [or human being; C a designation Jesus applied to himself; Dan. 7:13–14]. He had a gold crown on his head and a sharp sickle

[C a curved blade used to harvest grain] in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called out in a loud voice to the One who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and ·harvest [reap] from the earth, because the time to ·harvest [reap] has come, ·and [L because] the ·fruit [L harvest] of the earth is ripe." So the One who was sitting on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was ·harvested [reaped].

Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. And then another angel, who has ·power [authority; charge] over the fire, came from the altar. This angel called to the angel with the sharp sickle, saying,

"Take your sharp sickle and gather the bunches [clusters] of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe." Then the angel swung his sickle over the earth. He gathered the earth's grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's ·anger [wrath; Is. 63:2–3, 6; Lam. 1:15]. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the winepress as high as horses' bridles for a distance of about ·one hundred eighty miles [L one thousand six hundred stadia].
  Babylon is falling    :dsunny:

[joeteekay]

:cloud9: Well, I'll throw out there what He gave me years ago on time. Time is the measurement of death. Something has to die to create time (think of the seasons for example and winter). Therefore there's no time in His Spirit because there's no death in His Spirit. When He poured Himself into the physicality of His creation, it was a "lowering", a type of death, making time possible. My  :2c: Blessings....

Time is the measurement of death.  Something has to die to create time.

Those are most profound statements.

When God created the physical universe, He may have done it by what the scientists call the "Big Bang Theory".
We do not know for sure, but this we do know:

The physical universe, the entire cosmos, is ever expanding and gradually dying.  Astrophysicists call this expansion the red shift. Even our sun, ole sol, is slowly burning out.  Reminds me of the time I heard someone say that the universe is like a giant watch or clock that was wound up long ago and is gradually ticking away until it stops. At the end of the aeons everything will change at the consummation and God becomes ALL IN ALL.

The earth and universe are waxing old:

Isa_51:6  Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.


2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Peace and harmony  :Peace2:
Joe

[rosered]

:cloud9: Well, I'll throw out there what He gave me years ago on time. Time is the measurement of death. Something has to die to create time (think of the seasons for example and winter). Therefore there's no time in His Spirit because there's no death in His Spirit. When He poured Himself into the physicality of His creation, it was a "lowering", a type of death, making time possible. My  :2c: Blessings....

Time is the measurement of death.  Something has to die to create time.

Those are most profound statements.

When God created the physical universe, He may have done it by what the scientists call the "Big Bang Theory".
We do not know for sure, but this we do know:

The physical universe, the entire cosmos, is ever expanding and gradually dying.  Astrophysicists call this expansion the red shift. Even our sun, ole sol, is slowly burning out.  Reminds me of the time I heard someone say that the universe is like a giant watch or clock that was wound up long ago and is gradually ticking away until it stops. At the end of the aeons everything will change at the consummation and God becomes ALL IN ALL.

The earth and universe are waxing old:

Isa_51:6  Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.


2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Peace and harmony  :Peace2:
Joe

  Amen Joeteekay ,,
  I can see that  naturally   and spiritually speaking as , a TRUTH   in both cases /realms  :HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

Unfolding ever-revealing youthfulness which has always been unchanging.

:thumbsup: ..amen! life! love, light.. Jehovah..

When He poured Himself into the physicality of His creation, it was a "lowering"

..do you mean a becoming denser sort of thing?

I often think of how beautiful it was! I love to remember how He said after the 6th day "behold it is all good.."

"He is making new heavens and a new earth.." thank goodness because we've done a number on this one! If we could travel through the universe, just imagine what havoc we could do.. Someone posted, this ones' on fire.. It is.. We didn't build on the rock. :doh:

When God created the physical universe, He may have done it by what the scientists call the "Big Bang Theory".
We do not know for sure, but this we do know:

The physical universe, the entire cosmos, is ever expanding and gradually dying.  Astrophysicists call this expansion the red shift. Even our sun, ole sol, is slowly burning out.  Reminds me of the time I heard someone say that the universe is like a giant watch or clock that was wound up long ago and is gradually ticking away until it stops. At the end of the aeons everything will change at the consummation and God becomes ALL IN ALL.

The earth and universe are waxing old:

Isa_51:6  Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.


2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Peace and harmony  :Peace2:
Joe

  Amen! If only we'd built on the Rock! ..But, this is the life of doing everything wrong.. How else to prove the utter ridiculousness of drifting away from God..

Verse 13, praise the Lord :smile: says "..and for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise we do wait, in which righteousness doth dwell" (YLT)

Like Isaiah 65:17, which says "For, lo, I am creating new heavens, and a new earth.." (YLT)

Just imagine how beautiful that original garden was.. But alas! You can't have rational creatures if there's no choice involved whatsoever. ..So here we are.. we might as well 'enjoy the ride' as they say.. Or buckle our seat belts.. I agree with Micah.. that these days are shifting sands.
:smile:

[Cardinal]

:cloud9: Well, I'll throw out there what He gave me years ago on time. Time is the measurement of death. Something has to die to create time (think of the seasons for example and winter). Therefore there's no time in His Spirit because there's no death in His Spirit. When He poured Himself into the physicality of His creation, it was a "lowering", a type of death, making time possible. My  :2c: Blessings....

Time is the measurement of death.  Something has to die to create time.

Those are most profound statements.

When God created the physical universe, He may have done it by what the scientists call the "Big Bang Theory".
We do not know for sure, but this we do know:

The physical universe, the entire cosmos, is ever expanding and gradually dying.  Astrophysicists call this expansion the red shift. Even our sun, ole sol, is slowly burning out.  Reminds me of the time I heard someone say that the universe is like a giant watch or clock that was wound up long ago and is gradually ticking away until it stops. At the end of the aeons everything will change at the consummation and God becomes ALL IN ALL.

The earth and universe are waxing old:

Isa_51:6  Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.


2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Peace and harmony  :Peace2:
Joe

:cloud9: Yes it is. Going along in this same vein, I was in bible study one time and He gave me an open eye vision. I saw nothing but light, going from my left, super fast as first, then slowing down, showing the different speeds of it as gradations of gray until it became pitch black and came to a stop it seemed; then it went on from gradations of gray back into super fast bright light. He said, "You have just witnessed creation."  We came out of the light, and to the light we (and all of groaning creation) return to the light. Since to quicken our mortal body means to speed up, sort of takes on a new meaning doesn't it? Take or leave it, my  :2c:  Blessings....

[marie glen]

I was thinking a bit of somewhat along those lines today.. as "the creation itself groans awaiting the glorious Liberty"... It groans, I was thinking, to return to perfection!  That spotless garden He created - and is creating. I was thinking what else could it be groaning for? Except under its burden of imperfection.

And since He is both life and perfection, what GOOD news it actually is, that nothing, utterly nothing imperfect can endure.. Imperfection being intrinsically the opposite of Life.
:dsunny:

[joeteekay]

The plan of the eons (ages) was conceived in the heart of God who purposed all things after the counsel of His own will (Eph 1:11).  That plan is being accomplished one step at a time in each succeeding age.

Ephesians 3:11 Diaglott  according to a plan of the ages, which he formed in Anointed Jesus the Lord of us;

In a previous post on this thread I mentioned scriptures that revealed that the plan as "eonian times".  There are 5 eons in that plan.

Our all-wise heavenly Father planned the events of each successive eon from the very first one unto the last one culminating in the consummation

Understanding God's plan opens entirely new and greater vistas of the love, wisdom and power of God.  It is not any longer a question of the Church working to get souls saved, but it has become the reality of God working out His plan and purpose for all people through the eons He created.

All the eons are created for Jesus the Christ.

Hebrews 1:2 ECB  and in these final days speaks to us in Son: whom he placed heir of all; through whom also he made the eons:

The 5 eons are:

1.   the Disruption, Gen. 1:2
2.   the Deluge, Gen. 6
3.   the Day of Indignation, Rom. 2:5
4.   the judgment   Rev. 20
5.   the consummation


This entire long phase is called eonian times in scripture.  Though these times deal with long periods, nevertheless, each one of the five always has a beginning, and an ending. Every ending has a calamitous effect.

The first eon

This first eon that began with the creation of the physical universe.  After completing their planning and design, God  (Elohim) formed physical laws, matter, and life by converting spirit into the physical universe.  Man had not been created yet. 

HEB 11:3  KJV -   the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Genesis 1:1  CLV  Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth.

Isaiah 45:18  CLV  For thus says Yahweh, Creator of the heavens; He is the Elohim, and Former of the earth, and its Maker, and He, He established it. He did not create it a chaos. He formed it to be indwelt. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else."

Isaiah 45:18  KJV  For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The physical universe was not created in state of chaos.  It became that way at some time after the initial creation  This event is often referred to as the disruption. 

Genesis 1:2 CLV Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the submerged chaos. Yet the spirit of the Elohim is vibrating over the surface of the water.

The Concordant translates the Hebrew as became chaos and vacant.
The King James translates the Hebrew as it became without form and void.

The earth was "perfect" when it was created, but something catastrophic happened afterward.  The earth became a chaos and void.  Physical evidence for the disruption abounds in the geology of the earth, which predates the great flood of Noah's time by millions of years. Some people believe that the disruption occurred when Satan was brought into existence to play his part as the Adversary of God.  God allowed him to unleash his destructive power to cause the disruption.  It may well have been a time that the pre-historic creatures roamed the earth, all of which perished in the cataclysm.

Now God would renew the surface of the earth and make it ready for His creation of man. 

Psalms 104:30  CLV You send forth Your spirit; they are created, And You renew the face of the ground."

The second eon commences with the renewal of the earth and the creation of everything necessary for man and his existence, including man himself.

Next time we look at the subsequent eons.

:friendstu:

[darryl]

The plan of the eons (ages) was conceived in the heart of God who purposed all things after the counsel of His own will (Eph 1:11).  That plan is being accomplished one step at a time in each succeeding age.

Ephesians 3:11 Diaglott  according to a plan of the ages, which he formed in Anointed Jesus the Lord of us;

In a previous post on this thread I mentioned scriptures that revealed that the plan as "eonian times".  There are 5 eons in that plan.

Our all-wise heavenly Father planned the events of each successive eon from the very first one unto the last one culminating in the consummation

Understanding God's plan opens entirely new and greater vistas of the love, wisdom and power of God.  It is not any longer a question of the Church working to get souls saved, but it has become the reality of God working out His plan and purpose for all people through the eons He created.

All the eons are created for Jesus the Christ.

Hebrews 1:2 ECB  and in these final days speaks to us in Son: whom he placed heir of all; through whom also he made the eons:

The 5 eons are:

1.   the Disruption, Gen. 1:2
2.   the Deluge, Gen. 6
3.   the Day of Indignation, Rom. 2:5
4.   the judgment   Rev. 20
5.   the consummation


This entire long phase is called eonian times in scripture.  Though these times deal with long periods, nevertheless, each one of the five always has a beginning, and an ending. Every ending has a calamitous effect.

The first eon

This first eon that began with the creation of the physical universe.  After completing their planning and design, God  (Elohim) formed physical laws, matter, and life by converting spirit into the physical universe.  Man had not been created yet. 

HEB 11:3  KJV -   the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Genesis 1:1  CLV  Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth.

Isaiah 45:18  CLV  For thus says Yahweh, Creator of the heavens; He is the Elohim, and Former of the earth, and its Maker, and He, He established it. He did not create it a chaos. He formed it to be indwelt. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else."

Isaiah 45:18  KJV  For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The physical universe was not created in state of chaos.  It became that way at some time after the initial creation  This event is often referred to as the disruption. 

Genesis 1:2 CLV Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the submerged chaos. Yet the spirit of the Elohim is vibrating over the surface of the water.

The Concordant translates the Hebrew as became chaos and vacant.
The King James translates the Hebrew as it became without form and void.

The earth was "perfect" when it was created, but something catastrophic happened afterward.  The earth became a chaos and void.  Physical evidence for the disruption abounds in the geology of the earth, which predates the great flood of Noah's time by millions of years. Some people believe that the disruption occurred when Satan was brought into existence to play his part as the Adversary of God.  God allowed him to unleash his destructive power to cause the disruption.  It may well have been a time that the pre-historic creatures roamed the earth, all of which perished in the cataclysm.

Now God would renew the surface of the earth and make it ready for His creation of man. 

Psalms 104:30  CLV You send forth Your spirit; they are created, And You renew the face of the ground."

The second eon commences with the renewal of the earth and the creation of everything necessary for man and his existence, including man himself.

Next time we look at the subsequent eons.

:friendstu:

yes, 5 eons (or more ) revealed to us but I believe God's eons will stretch on an on and on and on  and on  into the Ages..its very exciting !... :banana: :banana: :banana: :dsunny: :dsunny: :dsunny: :gimmefive:

[joeteekay]

Continuing on the topic of the eons, five of which can be identified in scripture. Already covered the overview and the first eon in this thread.

The 5 eons are:
1.   the Disruption, Gen. 1:2
2.   the Deluge, Gen. 6
3.   the Day of Indignation, Rom. 2:5
4.   the judgment Rev. 20
5.   the consummation

This entire long phase is called eonian times in scripture.  Though these times deal with long periods, nevertheless, each one of the five always has a beginning, and an ending. Every ending has a calamitous effect.

Now the second

The second eon

A long time after the disruption God renewed the face of the earth in preparation for his supreme creation.

Genesis 1:3 – 5 CLV  And saying is the Elohim, "Become light!" And it is becoming light.
4 And seeing is the Elohim the light, that it is good. And separating is the Elohim between the light and the darkness.
5 And calling is the Elohim the light "day, and the darkness He calls "night." And coming is it to be evening and coming to be morning, day one.

Then God (Elohim) continues creating for the next six days as we read in the verses Gen 1:2- 26. ).  How long ago did this stage of creation take place? Many believe that according to the Bible the creation of the physical universe was only about 6,000 years ago. However, the text allows for a different interpretation. A close examination of the Scriptures reveals that there could have been a long period of time between the original creation of the earth and the re-creation of all that was on it described in Genesis 1:3-31.

There are some very strong proponents of a day being a literal 24 hour period.  This is a point of considerable contention.  The day can also be understood as a Hebrew idiom, representing an unknown length of time.  The Hebrew word is YOM (H3117).  The concordances indicate it has a wide range of meanings, not just a 24 hour period.  A good web site which discusses this topic including the meaning of sunrise to sunset is:

http://godandscience.org/youngearth/longdays.html

So in the first and second chapters of Genesis are described the beginning of mankind in the Garden of Eden. It is interesting that despite this being a Paradise where Adam and Eve lived in the presence of God, Satan existed even in this place. The serpent lived in their midst, and had access to Adam and Eve so as to tempt them. This was not a neutral setting, where Adam and Eve would simply live in obedience to God. The evil one lived among them, and tempted them.  We know what happened.

Thus began the deterioration of man.  Once expelled from the Garden, mankind follows a steady course of sin and self-destruction. Cain kills Abel. Evil runs rampant.  Mankind degenerates to such a great degree that God destroys them all in a great flood, also called the Deluge.  This most certainly does not mean that God made a mistake in this second eon because of what happened.  But it does tell us that without knowledge of God and His ways leads to ruin.  Sin results in death.

In Genesis 6 we find the wicked being destroyed in the flood and only the righteous Noah and his family surviving.  Thus end the second eon and the third eon commences.

[Dandelion]

My  :2c:

I don't think time existed,as we know it, until God created someone, maybe Adam, maybe someone on another planet, to exist.

God lives in the clock of eternity, for the most part, exception being when Jesus became man, while still being God. ( Just guessing, of course.)

Time was created for his creatures, who needed it as a reference and a framework to move within.

I believe, that, at some point, maybe immediately, after we die, we enter into the eternal clock. Of course, I have no idea how that would work.

I enjoy thinking about these things, though.            :drama:

D.

[eaglesway]

My  :2c:

I don't think time existed,as we know it, until God created someone, maybe Adam, maybe someone on another planet, to exist.

God lives in the clock of eternity, for the most part, exception being when Jesus became man, while still being God. ( Just guessing, of course.)

Time was created for his creatures, who needed it as a reference and a framework to move within.

I believe, that, at some point, maybe immediately, after we die, we enter into the eternal clock. Of course, I have no idea how that would work.

I enjoy thinking about these things, though.            :drama:

D.

:thumbsup:

[Dandelion]

Thank you, EW.

I just wanted to add, that one thing about the eternal clock, that I imagine, is that we can go from past to present to future, whenever we wish to. Perhaps more like entering a room, where an 'event' is taking place, and being able to leave the room, then go back again. Like the gadget that lets you freeze television shows and go back and forth, or even have them on your screen, simultaneously. 

Present might take on a whole new meaning, because of all the possibilities to enter into, happening simultaneously. 

D.

[marie glen]

A little understood aspect of how God works with His physical creation are the scriptures dealing with the eons. With out a doubt, it is vitally important  to understand the wonderful truth of the saving work of Jesus. That is of primary importance. Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world.

But, even of the saints, few have any clear idea of the object of all creation and revelation.  It seems difficult for us to associate Christ with anything more than His sacrifice and redemption. He died for the sins of the world. The great truth that He is the Firstborn of creation seems to have vanished from the consciousness of Christendom ( from Knoch).

and,

God's grand and glorious purpose will never be fully understood until we learn that this Greek word "aion" transliterated "eon" by the (Concordant Version), is a time word.

Amen! :thumbsup: :iagree:

The plan of the eons (ages) was conceived in the heart of God who purposed all things after the counsel of His own will (Eph 1:11).  That plan is being accomplished one step at a time in each succeeding age.


The 5 eons are:

1.   the Disruption, Gen. 1:2
2.   the Deluge, Gen. 6
3.   the Day of Indignation, Rom. 2:5
4.   the judgment   Rev. 20
5.   the consummation

..this got me to thinking.. and wanting to summarize the eons/ages as I have thought of them.. 'after' when there was undifferentiated Yahweh/God eternal.. then the "firstborn" as "primary", the only 'straight out from Yahweh one.. then the creation of the angels, for a time 'only' Father, Son and the angels-though rational creatures, thus able to make choices, there being 'only' Father, Son and angels, not that much to go astray about, nevertheless, the universe and man and woman not created until after the first (bound to occur?) rebel thought occurred and also fully matured... (why? :smile" ..perhaps so all would take this unavoidable journey and lesson together, all at once? unavoidable if there's to be rationality?)

The eons of the universe: (?) Not biblical, just my own summarizing..

#1 - The beginning?

creation (a week - 7 days - 6 days / six "a morning and an evening" and a 7th of "rest" -- the account in chapter 2 I believe is an insert magnifying or that is, providing more detail of the account/summary given in chapter one.

Adam and Eve in the garden.. Yahweh walking in the garden in the cool of the evening.. the adversary's sedition and trickery/deception [thinking ability includes choice, once imperfection sets in, oppression is bound to rear its ugly head?]

The promise of Messiah who will bruise the adversary's head (a sort of death blow?)

And Adam and Eve, thus mankind/all born after and from them, are banished from the tree of life, lest they live forever in the imperfect/"missing the mark"/sin condition.

#2 - The Nations - The utter fall (aided by Nephilim? ancient giant/mythic men of renown/legends? - tho before this 'mother goddess'? faint memories of Eve, whom Adam called "the mother of all" (sorry getting a little sidetracked.. :laughing7: )

The deluge - Tower Babel --> the nations

#3 - The call of Abraham and the nation - Israel

#4 - Messiah - beginning with the announcements prior to His birth, at His birth, and then by the Baptist - the prophesied voice in the wilderness, may way/ready His path.. Jesus' life, execution, resurrection --> acsension (the only - the gnostics/collected hidden knowledge of the pagan faiths/ideas, were obsessed with ascension - from the levels of Tower Babel to the New Testament era gnostics;  :2c: but only one has ascended or will ascend - the elect during the millenium will 'rule'/reign on earth, not from God's Throne; imo)

#5 - Last Days - the years of our Lord A.D. - in Revelation, the Seals of God are the main elements of, described as a blend of what they are at their beginning and what they are at their end ( a 'lock' on the vision, one of at least 2?) The trumpets are in the 7th Seal and the bowls (concurrent??) are in the 7th trump. [The trumpets including the 7th/last fulfilling the fall holy day, Trumpets; tares gathered to Armageddon and wheat into His barn/the millennium]

#6 - The Millennium (1000 years) of Jesus reign on Earth not yet made new - (fulfilling the 10 days between Trumpets and Day of Atonement of the fall holy days)

#7 - Great White Throne Judgment 'Day'/Age - fulfilling (and consisting of) the 5 days between Day of Atonement and Tabernacles of the fall holy days

Commences with the resurrection of the tares, all those not yet born again/believing - the weeping and gnashing of teeth and outer darkness of those who have reason to be terrified - "fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" - I mean despots and the like, both minor and major.. satisfaction and some vindication for the sake of their victims, reap as the sowed, etc.

In and like the pattern of ancient Israel's annual, collective "Day of Atonement" - of repentance and reconciliation - Lev 23 "whosoever will not afflict his 'soul' on that day will be separated from his people" (paraphrased from memory) ...i.e., all those (still?) not believing, will go to the 2nd death, the lake of sacred purification, for a duration.

Until - Tabernacles -

1 Corinthians 15:28, "And when all things are subjected to Him (Christ), then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One (the Father) who put all things under Him, so that God/Yahweh may be all in all"

Revelation 21:3, "And I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, `Lo, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them -- their God" ....all in all! :banana:

The family of God.. Full understanding of good from evil / life from nonlife deeeeply engraved upon each one's heart, mind and psyche.
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