Grand Plan of God

joeteekay · June 04, 2015, 05:47:39 AM

The Grand Plan of Elohim

This is part I

The Grand Plan of Elohim involves this Divine Being creating a Family.

It is His will to create a family in His likeness and character.

This process began before time and anything physical.

(p.s. amendment July 4, 2015 - forum member Micah 7-9 gave me some references pointing out that there was never a time without time. Time always existed. Although I am not fully convinced I must say I do not know for sure one way or another. :dontknow:)

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eaglesway · June 04, 2015, 06:07:14 AM

Amen!

micah7:9 · June 04, 2015, 07:05:02 AM

Before time???? God IS Spirit not a spirit? :2c:

sheila · June 04, 2015, 07:09:05 AM

exactly..it is His dream and inspiration to make a family...that's what it's been about all along.

joeteekay · June 04, 2015, 08:05:33 PM

Quote from: micah7:9 on June 04, 2015, 07:05:02 AM
Before time???? God IS Spirit not a spirit? :2c:

Hi Micah,
I have seen it both ways in lieteral translations, although I admit I like IS SPIRIT better.
CLV(i) 24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."

About time. Time only came into existence in eonian times. Did not exist before the physical realm IMO.
I discuss this more in Part II. :dsunny:

eaglesway · June 04, 2015, 08:17:42 PM

To me time is like a bubble suspended in the vastness and immensity of God. Before He created it, the ages like bubbles within the whole bubble, wheels within wheels, there was no time. When the bubble pops(when death is done away and God becomes all in all) there will be no more rule power and authority and time will be no more, just a whole lotta love and joy :o)

Aerex · June 04, 2015, 08:26:55 PM

What is the difference between God and his celestial beings (angles and demons? If they are no differences aren't the angles more like God than man?

Tom · June 04, 2015, 08:36:14 PM

I've also thought about time as we know it ending with the eons because I think it is related to mortality. I think we will perceive both time and space differently when we're immortalized.

Tom · June 04, 2015, 08:46:24 PM

The Greek "aggelos," literally "messenger," translated as "angel" in the King James Version, can apply to both celestial and human messengers. God is spirit and the father of spirits. (John 4:24; Hebrews 12:9) The celestial messengers are spirit beings like God, but we humans are living souls created by God from soil and the "breath of life." (Genesis 2:7) Demons are evil spirit beings with the power to obsess mankind.

Tom · June 04, 2015, 08:51:37 PM

I believe the only effective way to overcome an obsession such as an addiction is to realize a demon is behind it, and trust God to save you from it.

eaglesway · June 05, 2015, 02:21:43 AM

Quote from: Aerex on June 04, 2015, 08:26:55 PM
What is the difference between God and his celestial beings (angles and demons? If they are no differences aren't the angles more like God than man?

The substantial difference is that they are created, as are we.

In the resurrection we, wh are grafted into the True Vine will be higher than angels, but for now we are lower(imo).

Hebrews 2

7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

As "the children Thou(God) has given me", we wil partake in the inheritance of the Son, seated in Christ in the heavenly realms above all principality and power(and indeed already are in the spirit).

Hebrews 1

13But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET "?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

joeteekay · June 05, 2015, 07:18:06 PM

Quote from: eaglesway on June 04, 2015, 08:17:42 PM
To me time is like a bubble suspended in the vastness and immensity of God. Before He created it, the ages like bubbles within the whole bubble, wheels within wheels, there was no time. When the bubble pops(when death is done away and God becomes all in all) there will be no more rule power and authority and time will be no more, just a whole lotta love and joy :o)

That is a real cool way of looking at this question of time. Eventually it will "POP" at the consummation. Before this bubble was created by God, He had created the spiritual realm and the Heavenly Host, although we do not find much reference to this spiritual realm in the scriptures except for some glimpses thriough a glass darkly.

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

rosered · June 05, 2015, 09:05:27 PM

Having no greater joy than knowing Gods love :HeartThrob:

I believe all have tasted Gods goodness Joe

Will attempt to share something , the Lords presence by His Spirit has allowed me to rejoice in personally .

GOD IS SPIRIT and this crude attempt to explain it , I will say its an ENERGY OF THE PUREST LOVE that could ever enter into your moral fiber of being

Just the waves of the connection is impossible to put into words , every thing that has a source of this life force , is moving and having a existance because of Him , He speaks and the WORD becomes LIFE in an of itself

The vastness of His loving energy being called SPIRIT AND LIFE made everything that ever come into being , even breathing on the dust of the earth to make man mortal was His own design, everything contained in this breath of God is because of LOVE , the very action of it exists because of HIS ALL CONSUMING POWER and a force that cannot be contained by any one thing and time is not a factor

It is as continual as HE IS OR EVER WAS the tiny fragments of this energy carry LIGHT in them and are covered by the flesh or the dust of the earth

that being a solid and tangible thing that can be seen and felt , just as the Spirit can be seen and felt , when Jesus returned to the 12 and showed Him this glorified state , they saw in the physical and spiritual state that all things were possible with God increasing their faith , the very substance
of this powerful loving energy that they were blind to before

God revealed this to them as only He can
I do believe there is more to life than this physical state of being and we have only begun to live when we are free from the binding of the earth form found in all mankind though Adams ''condition'' and Eves curiosity by the subtle beast the carnal mind of the serpent that kept us all bound in death till the Life comes to free us of this mortality in Jesus Christ as the SON OF GOD as only LOVE CAN DO ..

There is no other way ... Love is an action Word brought about by a power and energy that must penetrate the very being of mans core to understand the depth and vastness and unbound WORD OF TRUTH , all around us and though us and for our own good and well being ,,God has done it all from the very beginning to the very end and its never had death as any part of it EVER

It is totally done away with in Christ But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

LOVE IS THE FULLING OF THE LAW , love does no wrong ever , when you have that Spirit and energy of Love greater things are bound to happen

and will receive the Highest of praise honor and glory that could ever be known to mankind though His own Spirit of LIFE loving existence we shall go from glory to glory from that point on ward and up ward we only have glimpses and sparks of this Light contained in flashes for this time and the FATHER GIVES THIS THOUGH HIS SON THE LIGHT OF LIFE IN mankind as His gift of Love , more will be added if you are found faithful in a few things :HeartThrob:

eaglesway · June 05, 2015, 10:30:50 PM

Yea Joeteekay,

Thats exactly what I believe.

The bubble is the veil. Death, time and the grave are all veils. There are bubbles within bubbles. A veil is torn, and a bubble pops when we get connected to the Vine(on one level). Another pop at the resurrection. Another pop at the consummation at the end of the ages when death and the grave are destroyed. When God is all in all, every veil has been torn, every bubble has popped :o)

lastpost · June 05, 2015, 11:40:07 PM

Quote from: rosered on June 05, 2015, 09:05:27 PM

Having no greater joy than knowing Gods love :HeartThrob:

I believe all have tasted Gods goodness Joe

Will attempt to share something , the Lords presence by His Spirit has allowed me to rejoice in personally .

GOD IS SPIRIT and this crude attempt to explain it , I will say its an ENERGY OF THE PUREST LOVE that could ever enter into your moral fiber of being

Just the waves of the connection is impossible to put into words , every thing that has a source of this life force , is moving and having a existance because of Him , He speaks and the WORD becomes LIFE in an of itself

The vastness of His loving energy being called SPIRIT AND LIFE made everything that ever come into being , even breathing on the dust of the earth to make man mortal was His own design, everything contained in this breath of God is because of LOVE , the very action of it exists because of HIS ALL CONSUMING POWER and a force that cannot be contained by any one thing and time is not a factor

It is as continual as HE IS OR EVER WAS the tiny fragments of this energy carry LIGHT in them and are covered by the flesh or the dust of the earth

that being a solid and tangible thing that can be seen and felt , just as the Spirit can be seen and felt , when Jesus returned to the 12 and showed Him this glorified state , they saw in the physical and spiritual state that all things were possible with God increasing their faith , the very substance
of this powerful loving energy that they were blind to before

God revealed this to them as only He can
I do believe there is more to life than this physical state of being and we have only begun to live when we are free from the binding of the earth form found in all mankind though Adams "condition" and Eves curiosity by the subtle beast the carnal mind of the serpent that kept us all bound in death till the Life comes to free us of this mortality in Jesus Christ as the SON OF GOD as only LOVE CAN DO ..

There is no other way ... Love is an action Word brought about by a power and energy that must penetrate the very being of mans core to understand the depth and vastness and unbound WORD OF TRUTH , all around us and though us and for our own good and well being ,,God has done it all from the very beginning to the very end and its never had death as any part of it EVER

It is totally done away with in Christ But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

LOVE IS THE FULLING OF THE LAW , love does no wrong ever , when you have that Spirit and energy of Love greater things are bound to happen

and will receive the Highest of praise honor and glory that could ever be known to mankind though His own Spirit of LIFE loving existence we shall go from glory to glory from that point on ward and up ward we only have glimpses and sparks of this Light contained in flashes for this time and the FATHER GIVES THIS THOUGH HIS SON THE LIGHT OF LIFE IN mankind as His gift of Love , more will be added if you are found faithful in a few things :HeartThrob:

Thank you for your efforts in attempting to explain the inexplicable Rosered, a daunting task, but I believe some ordinary sentient people in the world today are able to see the truth and conviction in what you are saying, and how the Love of Christ or the Love of God is a very tangible Reality.

rosered · June 06, 2015, 01:21:07 AM

Blessings brother ... and we thank Him as the Voice of many waters moves upon the earth :cloud9:
God sure does make it all worth your while :HeartThrob:

joeteekay · June 26, 2015, 05:51:36 AM

Quote from: joeteekay on June 04, 2015, 05:47:39 AM
The Grand Plan of Elohim

This is part I

The Grand Plan of Elohim involves this Divine Being creating a Family.

It is His will to create a family in His likeness and character.

This process began before time and anything physical.

(p.s. amendment July 4, 2015 - forum member Micah 7-9 gave me some references pointing out that there was never a time without time. Time always existed. Although I am not fully convinced I must say I do not know for sure one way or another. :dontknow:)

Grand Plan of God

Part II

In the beginning:

When we find the word beginning in scripture it is referring to something starting and a starting point can only be defined as being connected to time. It is like the start of a process or a race. It has a beginning and runs its course. A race starts and it ends at the finish line. All events are marked by time. And so are the eons or ages.

The word beginning is found in Gen 1:1 and in John 1:1. Is this a reference to the same beginning, or two different beginnings? Perhaps it is referring to the same beginning point, although that is certainly debatable.

In Gen. 1:1 we read :

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)

However in the Hebrew scripture it rendered:

In the beginning created God the heaven and the earth.

The omniscient God is the Creator God. That is His primary attribute and should be so recognized and so worshiped.

(J. Preston Eby - God, All in All) In the eternal realm before the ages were formed, and ages before man first saw the light of earth's day, the almighty Lord set in motion His omniscient and immutable purpose for the ages which were to follow.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

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micah7:9 · June 26, 2015, 12:36:21 PM

TIME: the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues

Jehovah...self Existent...to Exist ....be or become, come to pass... I AM. So since as is you say "God created time," HE[God] did nothing and HE did not exist before He[God] created time?
EXIST: to have real being whether material or spiritual.
In my opinion the Lord God IS TIME.
If there was/is no time- nothing happening- so if God created time as you say then God did not exist before God created time? :2c:
Col 1:17 and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him."

joeteekay · June 26, 2015, 07:09:40 PM

Quote from: micah7:9 on June 26, 2015, 12:36:21 PM
TIME: the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues

Jehovah...self Existent...to Exist ....be or become, come to pass... I AM. So since as is you say "God created time," HE[God] did nothing and HE did not exist before He[God] created time?
EXIST: to have real being whether material or spiritual.
In my opinion the Lord God IS TIME.
If there was/is no time- nothing happening- so if God created time as you say then God did not exist before God created time? :2c:
Col 1:17 and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him."

Thanks for you comment Micah.

Although I am not keen on using the word eternity, since it not a biblical term, the concept of eternity does provide an understanding of the meaning of time.

Here is where I got some information about the meaning of time:

In his essay "Just What Do You Mean Eternity", J. Preston Eby provides insight into these two words. Here are some excerpts from the section entitled "TIME VS. ETERNITY":

Here is stability - immutability - the quality of His nature remains the same, He is the eternal!

The eternal existence of God is certain for He is the source of all life. Death cannot touch Him for He is not dependent upon the sustaining power of another, He is Jehovah, the self-existent one.

Time was created; it had a beginning, it shall have an end. It is only one thing among countless other things that are part of the entire created universe.

Before the creation of the universe, there was no time; at the end of the ages when the present material universe is dissolved and replaced by a new, spiritual universe, time shall cease to be.

A proper understanding of time as a created phenomena having beginning and ending is an absolute prerequisite to a proper understanding of eternity. Time is relative only to the physical universe and the purposes of God therein.

We can also understand that both time and space (as we presently know them) will end together at the conclusion of the ages.

I am compelled to state that the Bible says very little by way of a definition of eternity because the Bible is essentially a book of time and for time. It was written for man who lives in a temporal state and who is not yet a totally eternal being.

Eternity is a state of absolute timelessness, not of unending time. Eternity is a state of being, resident in the very nature and person of God in which such concepts as past, present, future, before, after, change, transition, growth, decay, etc. do not exist. It is wrong to assert that, when time ends, eternity will begin, because eternity has no beginning. Neither did it end when time began, as so many charts indicate.

Time is not part of eternity; eternity is not composed of segments of time. Eternity is not time standing still; it is simply not time at all. Eternity doesn't go on and on and on, ad infinitum. Eternity doesn't go anywhere, nor does it do anything. Eternity simply is. Eternity is part of the very nature and person of God. Eternity transcends beyond our knowing anything having to do with time. It is not time at all

FROM TIME TO ETERNITY

This phenomena called time was created by God for man. Why? Time is the womb from which God is birthing a people like unto Himself. We get the germ, the beginning and foretaste of eternity in time, but this is only the seed of eternal life. This womb of time is provided to aid man in his development, to assist him in preparation for a new, totally spiritual existence beyond time, beyond the last age, when the umbilical cord is cut, in a state of existence called eternity.

The complete article can be found at:

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/eternity.htm

:dsunny:

micah7:9 · June 26, 2015, 08:12:26 PM

Quote from: joeteekay on June 26, 2015, 07:09:40 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 26, 2015, 12:36:21 PM
TIME: the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues

Jehovah...self Existent...to Exist ....be or become, come to pass... I AM. So since as is you say "God created time," HE[God] did nothing and HE did not exist before He[God] created time?
EXIST: to have real being whether material or spiritual.
In my opinion the Lord God IS TIME.
If there was/is no time- nothing happening- so if God created time as you say then God did not exist before God created time? :2c:
Col 1:17 and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him."

Thanks for you comment Micah.

Although I am not keen on using the word eternity, since it not a biblical term, the concept of eternity does provide an understanding of the meaning of time.

Here is where I got some information about the meaning of time:

In his essay "Just What Do You Mean Eternity", J. Preston Eby provides insight into these two words. Here are some excerpts from the section entitled "TIME VS. ETERNITY":

Here is stability - immutability - the quality of His nature remains the same, He is the eternal!

The eternal existence of God is certain for He is the source of all life. Death cannot touch Him for He is not dependent upon the sustaining power of another, He is Jehovah, the self-existent one.

Time was created; it had a beginning, it shall have an end. It is only one thing among countless other things that are part of the entire created universe.

Before the creation of the universe, there was no time; at the end of the ages when the present material universe is dissolved and replaced by a new, spiritual universe, time shall cease to be.

A proper understanding of time as a created phenomena having beginning and ending is an absolute prerequisite to a proper understanding of eternity. Time is relative only to the physical universe and the purposes of God therein.

We can also understand that both time and space (as we presently know them) will end together at the conclusion of the ages.

I am compelled to state that the Bible says very little by way of a definition of eternity because the Bible is essentially a book of time and for time. It was written for man who lives in a temporal state and who is not yet a totally eternal being.

Eternity is a state of absolute timelessness, not of unending time. Eternity is a state of being, resident in the very nature and person of God in which such concepts as past, present, future, before, after, change, transition, growth, decay, etc. do not exist. It is wrong to assert that, when time ends, eternity will begin, because eternity has no beginning. Neither did it end when time began, as so many charts indicate.

Time is not part of eternity; eternity is not composed of segments of time. Eternity is not time standing still; it is simply not time at all. Eternity doesn't go on and on and on, ad infinitum. Eternity doesn't go anywhere, nor does it do anything. Eternity simply is. Eternity is part of the very nature and person of God. Eternity transcends beyond our knowing anything having to do with time. It is not time at all

FROM TIME TO ETERNITY

This phenomena called time was created by God for man. Why? Time is the womb from which God is birthing a people like unto Himself. We get the germ, the beginning and foretaste of eternity in time, but this is only the seed of eternal life. This womb of time is provided to aid man in his development, to assist him in preparation for a new, totally spiritual existence beyond time, beyond the last age, when the umbilical cord is cut, in a state of existence called eternity.

The complete article can be found at:

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/eternity.htm

:dsunny:

Thanks have had the article in print for quite sometime, I just don't accept it any longer.
You are right the Bible says very little about eternity. Isa 57:15 I like the CLV :2c: :dsunny:

Lazarus Short · June 26, 2015, 08:45:53 PM

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning [time] God [spirit] created [energy] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter].

There's the whole thing in a proverbial nutshell.

micah7:9 · June 27, 2015, 02:41:52 AM

Quote from: Lazarus Short on June 26, 2015, 08:45:53 PM
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning [time] God [spirit] created [energy] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter].

There's the whole thing in a proverbial nutshell.

So BEFORE the beginning[time] God[spirit] was doing nothing, God was just in a state of limbo and nothing was going on? I do not accept that proverbial nutshell. :2c:

Lazarus Short · June 27, 2015, 03:31:53 AM

Quote from: micah7:9 on June 27, 2015, 02:41:52 AM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on June 26, 2015, 08:45:53 PM
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning [time] God [spirit] created [energy] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter].

There's the whole thing in a proverbial nutshell.

So BEFORE the beginning[time] God[spirit] was doing nothing, God was just in a state of limbo and nothing was going on? I do not accept that proverbial nutshell. :2c:

OK, but then God's Word does not tell us anything about "before the beginning." I doubt if we are spiritually and/or mentally equipped to understand some things, and I suppose that is one of them. :2c: :2c:

Seth · June 27, 2015, 03:41:22 AM

The phrase "in the beginning" is pretty vague imo. It doesn't have to mean anything other than our own universe.

rosered · June 27, 2015, 07:41:59 PM

I know my own opinion may not matter to some , and we all have many opinions about many things , they are ''judgments ''

I do believe the Existence of God was always .

The pure harmony and flow was always , set in motion by the Source of all power BEING GOD in WISDOM

I believe many were sent in this lower form existence ..
A darkness from HIS BRILLIANCE &LOVE

I do believe also many when arriving back ''home '' will remember.

That being the pre existing and pre destined ones God has ordained and purposed in His Wisdom .

I believe the new life given from those sent , will be gathered in to Christ .
Which is life sustaining of Itself

Christ is GODS SON to be gathering the all , being the good and evil of all the knowledge of this realm as the living and dead , the holy and unholy
as the Fire of Gods cleansing purpose of LIGHT &LIFE

and His purpose is to bring back everything , being made perfect and complete in HIM AND PRESENT IT TO GOD

Being a new creation that has absolutely perfect and complete GLORY OF GOD BEING THE SUPREME SOURCE THAT ALL CAN KNOW IN THE END

What is was like to live without GOD and life without him was nothing , but the good was always Him and live by faith , not knowing , but the hope placed inside you, by Him, will prove TRUTH , that LOVE was always perfect and complete and needed nothing from us but we always needed HIM to LIVE and LOVE and be whole .

Glory to God in the Highest !!!

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