what would you answer

[Tom]

I agree that everything that comes through humans is imperfect. That's why there are so many errors in all the ancient manuscripts, but the truth still comes through. I use the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer even though I've personally proofread the New Testament section of the Concordant Literal Version module and started on the Old Testament but was told to forget it because a new one was coming. While doing so, I saw a lot of typos but helped to correct them. Unfortunately the Old Testament section replacement is delayed because the author is working on a Concordant Version module for eSword right now which will be the first one from the Concordant folks and badly needed because the ones out there haven't even updated the New Testament section. I like the ISA because it compares the King James, Young's Literal Translation, and the Concordant Version with the ancient text and an ultra-literal translation. I don't think there is a perfect translation because something is always lost in translation, but I think the Concordant Version is the best I've seen.

[Tom]

We've already established the importance of context, right?

[Tom]

That's what was said about "spirit" vs. "breath."

[Tom]

The whole theory behind the Concordant Version is to be consistent with the definition as much as possible except when allowing variation for the sake of idiom.

[Tom]

As far as Knoch's theology goes, I've read all the Concordant writings, and though much of it was different than what I used to believe when I first read it, I now think it all makes sense. We all have a "theology" or "ideology" or "philosophy" or "worldview" or "perspective" or "viewpoint," but I don't think that means we should ignore what anybody else says. We obviously don't all agree with each other, but it's interesting to compare what we believe with each other.

[marie glen]

I read a number of versions, referencing the concordant ISA program as the closest translation, even the Concordant New Testament falling short of it.. i like the interlinear, and the ISA program is the best one I've used yet.. When seeking that true meaning, I believe mostly it comes through from the Spirit of God. There are times when seeking in the interlinear, I will find it reflects the sense I was expecting..

I read the scripture, except for specific study, but daily reading in ways geared to help me to `enter the story`- this, to me, for myself is the most important way.. I want to be in the word, and the word in me, and abiding.. I used to read one gospel per season, for instance (4 gospels / 4 seasons) but now I read a blend of (mostly) two, blended together, on a six month schedule.. Acts and Revelation have weekly readings.. and the letters of the new testament, I read through the year, in order believed written in 365 readings.. I want the letters in my mind to always be lined up with Acts.. and after, in the proper perspective..

I don't believe I have a hard time reading the original intent of verses, when I do I read the same verses in the concordant, or better yet the interlinear.. And also in my regular reading I often read the same in the Concordant.. I also want to be able to quote the KJ and the NIV as those are the most commonly known.. And by knowing their versions, can locate a verse using regular concordances.. for locating the verse..

I am loving the ISA program (interlinear) as before then I was using one I purchased from the Watchtower, though I was never affiliated.. :smile:

[rosered]

As far as Knoch's theology goes, I've read all the Concordant writings, and though much of it was different than what I used to believe when I first read it, I now think it all makes sense. We all have a "theology" or "ideology" or "philosophy" or "worldview" or "perspective" or "viewpoint," but I don't think that means we should ignore what anybody else says. We obviously don't all agree with each other, but it's interesting to compare what we believe with each other.

  I totally agree with you Tom , is good to keep and open mind and heart ,    knowledge is knowledge and it    comes to its own fruition   
  reap what we sow   , so to speak      , I am not saying i am  right  in everything I share , its just what is in my heart and sharing it , just as you brother  , this is all   .. 

  But LOVE NEVER FAILS    ANY OF US  :HeartThrob:

[micah7:9]

I like to read any version with an interlinear open. I believe the Concordant is as flawed in places, as are they all, so I use them all as parralels and check the differences in interlinears and lexicons to see if I can iron out the wrinkles to my own satisfaction. I have seen several places where it seems to me the Concordant is a vessel of Knoch's theology rather than a translation (as are they all at one point or another because translators are theologically flawed).

:iagree:

[marie glen]

As far as Knoch's theology goes, I've read all the Concordant writings, and though much of it was different than what I used to believe when I first read it, I now think it all makes sense. We all have a "theology" or "ideology" or "philosophy" or "worldview" or "perspective" or "viewpoint," but I don't think that means we should ignore what anybody else says. We obviously don't all agree with each other, but it's interesting to compare what we believe with each other.

:iagree: :iagree: especially with "it's interesting to compare what we believe with each other."

I am always assuming that each one bases their thoughts on what they perceive the Word is saying.. or from a particular 'level' of it, namely inner or outer, mostly - as I believe the Word is both; and whereas I tend to focus on the outer, total universe/creation plan of God mostly because I feel that is the answers the world is seeking these days, others may focus a bit more on how the plan of God impacts us within.. therefor I believe most can be pretty much synchronized.. most, likely not all..

But to me, the important thing is we are all being transformed into His image and likeness, and especially, His character.. His character being it.. the goal post.. If this forum is any indication, UR seems to bear good fruit when it comes to dialog and sharing.. Argumentativeness and condescension seems to be so much more less than what is found (possibly at) some other places..

"esteeming others as better than yourself" or at least equal! goes a long way in letting dialog and ideas flow.. And really, it's not our job to convince others of `truth`.. that is the Holy Spirit's 'job'! Discussing things i believe is beneficial.. And one day I believe we will all speak with one tongue -  the word. :smile:

[rosered]

 :thumbsup:

I say  thumbs up  to all that is being said     :dsunny:

  I love the Holy Spirit of truth teaching us what is right in the sight of God and that is what matters most   to all of us .
pleasing   HIM       :HeartThrob:

[Tom]

Right, I think, even though we all see things a little differently, it's good to share with each other, and we're all just students of the word of God. We're blessed to be able to get together even if we make each other crazy sometimes. I never mean to offend or claim any authority. I'm just figuring it all out as I go along sometimes getting flashes of new revelation or remembering something in a different light. God bless ya all.

[eaglesway]

As far as Knoch's theology goes, I've read all the Concordant writings, and though much of it was different than what I used to believe when I first read it, I now think it all makes sense. We all have a "theology" or "ideology" or "philosophy" or "worldview" or "perspective" or "viewpoint," but I don't think that means we should ignore what anybody else says. We obviously don't all agree with each other, but it's interesting to compare what we believe with each other.

:iagree: :iagree: especially with "it's interesting to compare what we believe with each other."

I am always assuming that each one bases their thoughts on what they perceive the Word is saying.. or from a particular 'level' of it, namely inner or outer, mostly - as I believe the Word is both; and whereas I tend to focus on the outer, total universe/creation plan of God mostly because I feel that is the answers the world is seeking these days, others may focus a bit more on how the plan of God impacts us within.. therefor I believe most can be pretty much synchronized.. most, likely not all..

But to me, the important thing is we are all being transformed into His image and likeness, and especially, His character.. His character being it.. the goal post.. If this forum is any indication, UR seems to bear good fruit when it comes to dialog and sharing.. Argumentativeness and condescension seems to be so much more less than what is found (possibly at) some other places..

"esteeming others as better than yourself" or at least equal! goes a long way in letting dialog and ideas flow.. And really, it's not our job to convince others of `truth`.. that is the Holy Spirit's 'job'! Discussing things i believe is beneficial.. And one day I believe we will all speak with one tongue -  the word. :smile:

I agree Tom. I value Knoch's theology, I was just making a point about translations. The Bible is not much more than an idol for many. The fact that we can share our views from diffefent perspectives is a posiive thing, especially since we share Christ crucified and the salvation of all. That is a lot. I think it is the reason we can share our differences. There is a reverence that comes with the knowledge that Christ was crucified for each of us.

And certainly, Marie, being transformed into His image is the beauty of that gospel, and the goalpost we will all get kicked through when all is said and done LOLOL.

[rosered]

I am just so glad you said that John !
  Making the Bible and idol .
 
Its    written  , that God come down in Gen 11 and confounded the languages  on purpose .  the tower of Babel  and we still have this happening to this very day !

   Those building a tower to heaven     together   and doing it without God  included or by just using His name only .. of their own  doings and calling it, '' inspired  from God ''.

When He really  wants a one on one relationship  with every one of us .
  Being a friend  of  God was a   honor that Abram   even to this day  its written about , because He believed and obeyed  and mostly trusted   God  though everything he was living though in this world

God gave His life a purpose and meaning  and  made Abraham  blessed  and a father of many nations  and example of  what real  faith   means  to help  us
understand   ,  what pleases God .

   The whole bible is about  examples to help us trust God   though  the best and worst of circumstances in this life   by all those who came  before us .

Abraham had no bible to read and He done well    in the presence of God .   :HeartThrob:

[lastpost]

The Bible is not much more than an idol for many.

Then surely one lives in the shadow of God
For if one lived in the Light of the God in Christ
Then one could never raise an idol to such status
That it should be called by the most Sacred Name of all.

A temple is built round the idol
Casting further shadow blocking the Light
As the Light of the God in Christ
Are words to be repeated.

The treasures of the temple are bound
In which one must tarry and abide
Until the shadow no longer satisfies
And the Light of God in Christ is sought.

[eaglesway]

I am just so glad you said that John !
  Making the Bible and idol .
 
Its    written  , that God come down in Gen 11 and confounded the languages  on purpose .  the tower of Babel  and we still have this happening to this very day !

   Those building a tower to heaven     together   and doing it without God  included or by just using His name only .. of their own  doings and calling it, " inspired  from God ".

When He really  wants a one on one relationship  with every one of us .
  Being a friend  of  God was a   honor that Abram   even to this day  its written about , because He believed and obeyed  and mostly trusted   God  though everything he was living though in this world

God gave His life a purpose and meaning  and  made Abraham  blessed  and a father of many nations  and example of  what real  faith   means  to help  us
understand   ,  what pleases God .

   The whole bible is about  examples to help us trust God   though  the best and worst of circumstances in this life   by all those who came  before us .

Abraham had no bible to read and He done well    in the presence of God .   :HeartThrob:

Yes, and it appears our language is still quite confounded, which indicates that we have not yet heard clearly the one voice. Still building towers, I guess.

"That you may be one, even as I and the Father are one- I in the Father and the Father in Me and I in you."

[rosered]

          Amen ,   God bless    :flowerred:

[JonesHenry]

'I am concerned about your family, because you do not warn your children for an eternal hell. This makes the choice for God too open-ended / non-committal'. Our friend thinks because we teach our children UR, they are laid back about following God.

A really good qustion! I would counter this with a relatively simple but also a harsh argument.



Wich God do you serve?



If hes name is Yahweh, do you not follow Yahwehs commandments?



Where in the OLD TESTAMANENT does Yahwe speak of the "wages of sin being eternal torture in a dark pit?"




"But Jesus said..."



Did Jesus REALLY say that? You know, the words of ONE MAN can rather easily be twisted to suit POLITICAL IDEALS!



Like Gehenna meaning Hell, when the Greek equivalent for that would be HADES!



Especially by a Pagan sun worshipping emperor who claims that the SON GOD APOLLO came to him in a dream before a crucial battle and gave him HIS INSIGNIA on wich to follow him to victory!

http://kahalyahweh.net/Articles/chirho.htm



Jesus said so...Yeah, and ofcourse your King James bible will tell you that! You know, the one based on LATIN VULGATE!

http://egregores.blogspot.fi/2010/10/augustine-in-defense-of-torturing.html



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Jesus said he had come to PUT AWAY the old law, and to preach the gospel to the gentiles!

“Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.  For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter† or one tiny pen stroke‡ shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven."


Matthew:17-20



But he answered, “I wasn’t sent to anyone but the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 15:24



Yes ofcourse! It all makes perfect sense now! And Jesus WAS talking about a place controlled by fiery fire demons! NOT Gods HOLY purifying presence, because thats the old covenant and it has now literally been done away with!



"For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God."

Deuteronomy 4:24



"for our "God is a consuming fire."

Hebrews 12:29



By SATAN and the "teachers of the law" who are the only magic beings on earth that can actually translate Koine Greek!



Believe in this, or God WILL strike you down and cast you into a bottomless DARK PIT!!!



Do you serve Yahwe or the "christian god" created by the pagan SUN WORSHIPPING "church" Also know in Latin as Solar Invictus!



Only one is the real TRUE GOOD! Choose wisely!



P.S:


The word "church" ORIGINALLY both in Hebrew & Greek meant a CONGRECATION OF PEOPLE! Not an ORGANISATION or a building!


http://biblehub.com/greek/1577.htm

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6951.htm



How could God come to he people of Israel in Sinai, as they did not have ANY KIND OF OFFICIAL BUILDING or cult worship on how to worship him?



How could God speak to them as they were not followers of an OFFICIAL CHURCH!



Guess they were just listening to some DEVIL in the wind :sigh:

[sheila]

    I would say.. judge for yourself what is right.......in a marriage...which is better.......a wife in constant terror/fear of her husband...

   or a wife who genuinely loves and respects/honours her husband.?

[Abigail]

    I would say.. judge for yourself what is right.......in a marriage...which is better.......a wife in constant terror/fear of her husband...

   or a wife who genuinely loves and respects/honours her husband.?

:iagree: :HeartThrob: