A Kool Weird Thing

[marie glen]

Check out the info below the chart regarding the scripture quote.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

But that means ppl cast into the LOF (as the 2nd death) at Jesus' return [sentence before judgment (day) which to me doesn't jive with God's nature]

Matthew 25:31,41

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

31 "And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory; ...41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers" - Imo, the effect (destruction) is ageduring/during the millennium age, until the 2nd resurrection..

This article here - http://www.remnantbiblestudies.com/article10_lake_of_fire_pt2.html - is along the lines I believe.. tho it loses me when it strays from the Bible, and tho it's very long you can catch the drift of it by reading a few paragraphs...

[marie glen]

The word "fire" is from Strong's Greek #4442 "pur - a primary word: "fire" lit. or fig., spec. lightning: - fiery, fire"

the italics of "lightning" is Strong's italics..

the "to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;" is what equates it to the LOF (imo, a LOF) but I think it means - to the destruction, age-during, that has been prepared for the Devil and his messengers.. destruction being destruction, but the LOF as the 2nd death to me, involves gone.. as death and the grave will be gone.. and not just for an age or two.. whereas I believe those adversarial nations and ppl at Jesus' return will experience destruction as age lasting (i.e. during the millennium) and not as the 2nd death/gone like death and the grave..

           :smile:

[Tom]

Check out the info below the chart regarding the scripture quote.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

But that means ppl cast into the LOF (as the 2nd death) at Jesus' return [sentence before judgment (day) which to me doesn't jive with God's nature]

Matthew 25:31,41

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

31 "And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory; ...41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers" - Imo, the effect (destruction) is ageduring/during the millennium age, until the 2nd resurrection..

This article here - http://www.remnantbiblestudies.com/article10_lake_of_fire_pt2.html - is along the lines I believe.. tho it loses me when it strays from the Bible, and tho it's very long you can catch the drift of it by reading a few paragraphs...

"31 "Now, whenever the Son of Mankind may be coming in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then shall He be seated on the throne of His glory,
32 and in front of Him shall be gathered all the nations. And He shall be severing them from one another even as a shepherd is severing the sheep from the kids.
33 And He shall be standing the sheep, indeed, at His right, yet the kids at the left.
34 "Then shall the King be declaring to those at His right, 'Hither, blessed of My Father! Enjoy the allotment of the kingdom made ready for you from the disruption of the world.
35 For I hunger and you give Me to eat' I thirst and you give Me drink; a stranger was I and you took Me in;
36 naked and you clothed Me; infirm am I and you visit Me; in jail was I and you come to Me.'
37 "Then the just will be answering Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we perceive Thee hungering and nourish Thee, or thirsting and we give Thee drink?
38 Now when did we perceive Thee a stranger and took Thee in, or naked and we clothed Thee?
39 Now when did we perceive Thee infirm, or in jail, and we came to Thee?'
40 "And, answering, the King shall be declaring to them, 'Verily, I am saying to you, In as much as you do it to one of these, the least of My brethren, you do it to Me.'
41 "Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers.
42 For I hunger and you do not give Me to eat; I thirst and you do not give Me drink;
43 a stranger was I and you did not take Me in; naked and you did not clothe Me; infirm and in jail and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then shall they also be answering, saying, 'Lord, when did we perceive you hungering or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in jail, and we did not serve you?'
45 "Then shall He be answering them, saying, 'Verily, I am saying to you, In as much as you do it not to one of these, the least, neither do you it to Me.'
46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian." (Matthew 25:31-46)

"31 The many judgments in the Scriptures should be carefully distinguished as to time and place and participants and the attending circumstances. There is no "general judgment", for the saints are judged in the cross of Christ. The individual judgment of the unbeliever for his sins does not take place in this life, but in resurrection. All mankind except those who are Christ's will be raised from the dead to stand before the great white throne, which is not set up until after the coming kingdom eon has run its course (Un.20:11). The judgment here presented differs in time, in place, in character and in purpose. It occurs at the commencement of the kingdom, at His coming in glory, while the great white throne session does not take place until after the thousand years. This judgment is on the earth. The earth will flee before the great white throne (Un.20:11). Living nations will appear before the Son of Mankind, but only the dead come before the later tribunal. The nations are judged as such, not their sins, but according to their treatment of Israel during the time of their affliction.
     When God is judging the earth no greater act of righteousness can be done than to feed and shelter His oppressed people. Each faithful Israelite stands in the place of Christ toward the nations. Those who help them do so at the greatest risk, for they may be called to account by the powers that oppose them. This tribunal is not concerned with their ultimate destiny, but with their place in the kingdom. The kingdom will be comprised largely of gentiles, subordinate to Israel politically and religiously, but nevertheless the recipients of much blessing. All that they receive comes to them through Israel, while the present grace which we enjoy comes to us because Israel as a channel is choked, yet the super-abundance of the grace overflows all barriers. We have every reason to treat the Jews with the utmost grace, but our conduct toward them is not a factor in our destiny. We do not enter the kingdom, because we have a higher and more honorable allotment among the celestials.

40 See 10:42.

40 The "brethren" of Christ, in the kingdom, are His fellow Israelites, in contrast with those of other nations. These do not appear before this tribunal. Their judgment is dealt with in the preceding parables.

41 The Slanderer and his messengers will be the chief instigators of the fearful anti-Semitic outbreak of the end time. It will be the greatest of all pogroms, and men will be urged on by malignant spirit powers to do all that is possible to exterminate the people who refuse to worship Satan's christ, or to bow down to his image. Being superhuman, the wild beast and the false prophet will have their portion in that lake of fire into which the Slanderer is cast more than a millennium later (Un.20:10).

46 Eonian chastening is here limited to the nations who will not succor the faithful of Israel in their time of sore distress. It has no bearing on the sins of individuals. The justice of fire eonian is disciplinary and corrective (cf Jude 7)." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 49)

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html