A Kool Weird Thing

[marie glen]

(Or it would be weird if we didn't know the Lord!) This morning I noticed a couple of books from a corner, my cat had knocked over, so I picked them up. And one of them was a little daily Bible verse, or two, book called "Our Daily Bread - Readings For Everyday". The readings are veRy brief. I bought it years ago for my husband. It's a nice little book with a loaf of (homemade) bread and slices and a sheaf of wheat nicely illustrated on the front.

So I decided to include it in my morning quiet time reading. I opened it where the bookmark was, and lo and behold it was at September 30, today's date. And the verse was 2 Timothy 2:20 (NASB) - "Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor."

This verse reverberated with me because I like to say the reason there's two resurrections, or that is, there's the elect or chosen (gold, silver) and those not chosen (during this life, wood, clay) imo, is because this life is a narrative or 'truth proving' drama, and it's like with a movie. You need more than one character.

If, that be the case.. or if God's will is supreme and all in all (which of course it is) then why should "punishment" in a hereafter be necessary?

Will those of the second resurrection really need to suffer more in order to repent and be born again?

It's not that the chosen are in any way superior (not before being born again that is). Don't forget, many of those of the second resurrection have never even ever heard of Christ and His atonement on behalf of mankind so they have not yet "believed".

I believe there is a millennium while the second resurrection is still asleep/reposing/imo,unconscious (called "Trumpets")

Then I think there's a half a millennium, which will be a long Day of Atonement (called the "Great White Throne Judgment"/proving/setting straight. At the opening of which, the second resurrection arrives DOA (sorry I can't resist the play on DOA / dead on arrival / Day of Atonement).

Millennium and half a millennium patterned after the Autumn Holy Days of Trumpets, then ten days later Day of Atonement and five days later, "Tabernacles" when God Himself will "dwell with mankind and make all things new" (Rev 21:1-5).

Or, in other words(?) having cast death and the grave (commonly translated 'hell') and all suffering, all negative, etc, into the Lake of Fire (here as not being) God Himself, the consuming fire of anything not pure, not perfect, not genuine, not true, will come to dwell with mankind upon a planet, in a galaxy, in a universe.. all made new.

[jbertonbounds]

Beautiful! :thumbsup:

But I'm unsure of this millennium / half millennium concept.   :dunno2:  Where can I learn more about this?

[redhotmagma]

If, that be the case.. or if God's will is supreme and all in all (which of course it is) then why should "punishment" in a hereafter be necessary?

Will those of the second resurrection really need to suffer more in order to repent and be born again?

It's not that the chosen are in any way superior (not before being born again that is). Don't forget, many of those of the second resurrection have never even ever heard of Christ and His atonement on behalf of mankind so they have not yet "believed".

I do not believe there is a need for "punishment".  I know some disagree, and there are some verses indicating pain (weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc).  But IMO, the punishment of being immersed into the Lake of Fire, aka Gods presence aka LOVE is overwhelming, but the only suffering is kinda like when you get into a very hot hot tub.  It stings for a minute because your body has to acclimate.  But then its Amazing. 

:2c:

[rosered]

   For me the shame    or the not being ashamed  is going to be   the   ''thing''   that  is the punishment
I remember Jesus stating  , that   the shame of your nakedness does not appear  before Him , Just as the Lord asked Adam in the garden who told you  your where naked ? they were ashamed   to  come  appear  before HIM .

Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

  Being ashamed  has a torment of itself   to  me
  there are alot more scriptures  , but here is a few examples


Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Hbr 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

  Just some things I have considered   and  share   here

[rosered]

  Marie Glenda ! my grandpa used to give me  daily breads often , years ago and how I miss those times sis!!

[jbertonbounds]

If, that be the case.. or if God's will is supreme and all in all (which of course it is) then why should "punishment" in a hereafter be necessary?

Will those of the second resurrection really need to suffer more in order to repent and be born again?

It's not that the chosen are in any way superior (not before being born again that is). Don't forget, many of those of the second resurrection have never even ever heard of Christ and His atonement on behalf of mankind so they have not yet "believed".

I do not believe there is a need for "punishment".  I know some disagree, and there are some verses indicating pain (weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc).  But IMO, the punishment of being immersed into the Lake of Fire, aka Gods presence aka LOVE is overwhelming, but the only suffering is kinda like when you get into a very hot hot tub.  It stings for a minute because your body has to acclimate.  But then its Amazing. 

:2c:

[2Th 1:9 ESV] They will suffer the punishment of eternal [aionios] destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day...

This scripture says there will be punishment, but I don't think God would punish anyone without there be a need.  So then why do you believe there will be no need for punishment?

Also, the phrase "weeping and gnashing of teeth" I believe describes deep sorrow, rather than an indication of pain.

[sheila]

hmmnn....shame can make your skin red..just like  hot-tub. :Chinscratch:.......

    I've had mycheeks stinging more then a few times  :mblush:

[JulieTang84]

I do not believe there is a need for "punishment".  I know some disagree, and there are some verses indicating pain (weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc).  But IMO, the punishment of being immersed into the Lake of Fire, aka Gods presence aka LOVE is overwhelming, but the only suffering is kinda like when you get into a very hot hot tub.  It stings for a minute because your body has to acclimate.  But then its Amazing. 

:2c:

Oh there will be plenty of figurative weeping and gnashing of teeth, but it won't be from those that are being purified.  :HeartThrob:


Rather the spirits of darkness that have tried to lure Fathers children into a den of despair will find much to weep about when they are forced into the light of truth.


The church even get's this wrong, but the many ET'ers will be in awe of the Love of Father and the multitude who stand with Christ who accept them with open arms, just as the father of the prodigal son.


Love is EVERYTHING!!!!!!  :HeartThrob:


Love Julie

[JulieTang84]

[2Th 1:9 ESV] They will suffer the punishment of eternal [aionios] destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day...

This scripture says there will be punishment, but I don't think God would punish anyone without there be a need.  So then why do you believe there will be no need for punishment?

Also, the phrase "weeping and gnashing of teeth" I believe describes deep sorrow, rather than an indication of pain.

JB, please do a study on the word "PUNISH" you will find that it does not give true meaning to the original word. You will likely be amazed that the correct rendering is mostly connected to "Correction."


Something we are all in need of.  :eek:


Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

[jbertonbounds]

I do not believe there is a need for "punishment".  I know some disagree, and there are some verses indicating pain (weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc).  But IMO, the punishment of being immersed into the Lake of Fire, aka Gods presence aka LOVE is overwhelming, but the only suffering is kinda like when you get into a very hot hot tub.  It stings for a minute because your body has to acclimate.  But then its Amazing. 

:2c:

Oh there will be plenty of figurative weeping and gnashing of teeth, but it won't be from those that are being purified.  :HeartThrob:


Rather the spirits of darkness that have tried to lure Fathers children into a den of despair will find much to weep about when they are forced into the light of truth.


The church even get's this wrong, but the many ET'ers will be in awe of the Love of Father and the multitude who stand with Christ who accept them with open arms, just as the father of the prodigal son.


Love is EVERYTHING!!!!!!  :HeartThrob:


Love Julie

I never thought of that before.  The scripture does not say that the wicked or unbelievers will "weep and gnash their teeth" - it simply says "in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."  Doesn't say who will be doing it. :Chinscratch:

OTOH, I would not assume that it will be the evil spirits either - unless you have a scripture reference to back that up?

[sheila]

if you read the preceding versus  ..you willsee it was those who persecuted andcaused

those who beleivedin Him trouble[see dragon persecuting..floodwaters to try aand causethe

woman to be washed away..and go after the woman'soffspring..to war withthem.]

  the  LOF is prepared   for satanandhis angels.

   so ineffect..allenemies ofLove and Truth will be consumed...For the Glory ofGodand

  deliverance of man

    :thumbsup:Julie

[sheila]

can you say  LOF PREPARED FOR satanandhis demons

[marie glen]

Beautiful! :thumbsup:

But I'm unsure of this millennium / half millennium concept.   :dunno2:  Where can I learn more about this?

All I can think of is Leviticus 23, which you likely know, describes the Holy Seasons, the Spring and the Fall. I'll include a link to the verses on Bible Gateway..

I think I read somewhere online some time ago, someone say "if the Spring Holy Days prophesied Jesus' first advent, then why not the Fall ones prophecy the" (long) "second one?" And somewhere along the line I seem to have picked up the word "long"... then when in prayer I noticed there seem to be three peaks making up the second advent, and there are three Fall Holy Days.

The Holy Days being of course "Trumpets", the "Day of Atonement" (Lev 23:27,29--a day of affliction/afflicting one's soul, repentance is how ancient Israel interpreted it.. with wailing, I believe I read somewhere about that Holy Day..) and then "Tabernacles".

And the three peaks of the second advent of Jesus (1) returning with His angels and the sound of a trumpet blast, (2) Day of Judgment after/at the second resurrection, and then the happy 'conclusion' when our Father Himself "makes all things new and will now (3) Tabernacle with man on earth.

Then while in prayerful quiet time and study, it seemed mighty co-incidental that between (1)"Trumpets" and (2)"Day Of Atonement" is 1O days, and between (1)Jesus' return and (2) Judgement Day/second resurrection is 1OOO years. If those correlate, as it sure seemed to my mind to be doing, then wouldn't the "5 days" - half the time between (1) and (2) - between (2)"Day of Atonement" and (3)"Tabernacles" correspond to 5OO years between (2)"Judgment Day" and (3)"Tabernacles" - if we may call it that, when God Himself, Great Creator makes all things new and will come to the earth to "dwell with man"..? Still in prayerful contemplation and study.. Well, I guess that's where I picked up the word "long".. And other logical prayerful contemplations have come to play.. If "Day of Atonement" lasts roughly 5OO years (represented by the "5 days" between Fall Holy Day (2) and (3) like the "1O days" between Fall Holy Day (1) and (2) representing the 1OOO long millennium..
               * * * *
This is related - Over the years Rev 19:11-21 has grown to seem to be a LOF but one of man's making by his splitting of the atom.. fiery judgment for an advanced(?) day, as opposed to fiery judgments/consequences/results of Old Testament times..

Then Rev 20:7-9 which seems to be another LOF of sorts (did you read the article at the link someone, I forget who :smile: left at another discussion - the aticle: "The Lake of Fire Pt 2" http://www.remnantbiblestudies.com/article10_lake_of_fire_pt2.html - It's very interesting I haven't finished it yet. Loses me a little if/when he wanders from the Word.. but as far as I've read very interesting! I'm not halfway yet.

Then there's the verses in chapter 7 of Daniel, verses 13,14, 22, 27 (12:9?) Well, that's about it, I'm sure it exists in the land of Bible acadamia, public, private and/or personal, somewhere, besides in my head.. And of course I think it's in the verses..

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Lev%2023:24,27,29,34;Daniel%207:13,14,%2022,%2027;Daniel%2012:9;Rev%2019:11-21;Rev%2020:7-9,11-14;%2021:3&version=NKJV
(with the Fall Holy Days of the 7th month, days 1,10 and 15)
:Peace2: :Chinscratch:

[marie glen]

If, that be the case.. or if God's will is supreme and all in all (which of course it is) then why should "punishment" in a hereafter be necessary?

Will those of the second resurrection really need to suffer more in order to repent and be born again?

It's not that the chosen are in any way superior (not before being born again that is). Don't forget, many of those of the second resurrection have never even ever heard of Christ and His atonement on behalf of mankind so they have not yet "believed".

I do not believe there is a need for "punishment".  I know some disagree, and there are some verses indicating pain (weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc).  But IMO, the punishment of being immersed into the Lake of Fire, aka Gods presence aka LOVE is overwhelming, but the only suffering is kinda like when you get into a very hot hot tub.  It stings for a minute because your body has to acclimate.  But then its Amazing. 

:2c:

...I'm thinking almost like we felt when we first believed and repented and mourned over our sins.. :Chinscratch: :btantrum: :flamebreath:

   For me the shame    or the not being ashamed  is going to be   the   "thing"   that  is the punishment
I remember Jesus stating  , that   the shame of your nakedness does not appear  before Him , Just as the Lord asked Adam in the garden who told you  your where naked ? they were ashamed   to  come  appear  before HIM .

Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

  Being ashamed  has a torment of itself   to  me
  there are alot more scriptures  , but here is a few examples


Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Hbr 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

  Just some things I have considered   and  share   here

Yes! that's a large part what I'm thinking (and saying) :iagree:

  Marie Glenda ! my grandpa used to give me  daily breads often , years ago and how I miss those times sis!!

I'll bet!! I remember those! Or I think i know what you're talking about.. the little (plastic?) loaf with cardboard scriptures you picked from for each day! I had one years and years ago.. I saw one recently on ebay or amazon - should've bought it!!
                        :gsmile:

[Tom]

I think the "lamentation and gnashing of teeth" refers to the kingdom in Israel. See the attachment.

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[jbertonbounds]

Beautiful! :thumbsup:

But I'm unsure of this millennium / half millennium concept.   :dunno2:  Where can I learn more about this?

All I can think of is Leviticus 23, which you likely know, describes the Holy Seasons, the Spring and the Fall. I'll include a link to the verses on Bible Gateway..

I think I read somewhere online some time ago, someone say "if the Spring Holy Days prophesied Jesus' first advent, then why not the Fall ones prophecy the" (long) "second one?" And somewhere along the line I seem to have picked up the word "long"... then when in prayer I noticed there seem to be three peaks making up the second advent, and there are three Fall Holy Days.

The Holy Days being of course "Trumpets", the "Day of Atonement" (Lev 23:27,29--a day of affliction/afflicting one's soul, repentance is how ancient Israel interpreted it.. with wailing, I believe I read somewhere about that Holy Day..) and then "Tabernacles".

And the three peaks of the second advent of Jesus (1) returning with His angels and the sound of a trumpet blast, (2) Day of Judgment after/at the second resurrection, and then the happy 'conclusion' when our Father Himself "makes all things new and will now (3) Tabernacle with man on earth.

Then while in prayerful quiet time and study, it seemed mighty co-incidental that between (1)"Trumpets" and (2)"Day Of Atonement" is 1O days, and between (1)Jesus' return and (2) Judgement Day/second resurrection is 1OOO years. If those correlate, as it sure seemed to my mind to be doing, then wouldn't the "5 days" - half the time between (1) and (2) - between (2)"Day of Atonement" and (3)"Tabernacles" correspond to 5OO years between (2)"Judgment Day" and (3)"Tabernacles" - if we may call it that, when God Himself, Great Creator makes all things new and will come to the earth to "dwell with man"..? Still in prayerful contemplation and study.. Well, I guess that's where I picked up the word "long".. And other logical prayerful contemplations have come to play.. If "Day of Atonement" lasts roughly 5OO years (represented by the "5 days" between Fall Holy Day (2) and (3) like the "1O days" between Fall Holy Day (1) and (2) representing the 1OOO long millennium..
               * * * *
This is related - Over the years Rev 19:11-21 has grown to seem to be a LOF but one of man's making by his splitting of the atom.. fiery judgment for an advanced(?) day, as opposed to fiery judgments/consequences/results of Old Testament times..

Then Rev 20:7-9 which seems to be another LOF of sorts (did you read the article at the link someone, I forget who :smile: left at another discussion - the aticle: "The Lake of Fire Pt 2" http://www.remnantbiblestudies.com/article10_lake_of_fire_pt2.html - It's very interesting I haven't finished it yet. Loses me a little if/when he wanders from the Word.. but as far as I've read very interesting! I'm not halfway yet.

Then there's the verses in chapter 7 of Daniel, verses 13,14, 22, 27 (12:9?) Well, that's about it, I'm sure it exists in the land of Bible acadamia, public, private and/or personal, somewhere, besides in my head.. And of course I think it's in the verses..

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Lev%2023:24,27,29,34;Daniel%207:13,14,%2022,%2027;Daniel%2012:9;Rev%2019:11-21;Rev%2020:7-9,11-14;%2021:3&version=NKJV
(with the Fall Holy Days of the 7th month, days 1,10 and 15)
:Peace2: :Chinscratch:

Thanks, Marie :thumbsup:

[marie glen]

If, that be the case.. or if God's will is supreme and all in all (which of course it is) then why should "punishment" in a hereafter be necessary?

Will those of the second resurrection really need to suffer more in order to repent and be born again?

It's not that the chosen are in any way superior (not before being born again that is). Don't forget, many of those of the second resurrection have never even ever heard of Christ and His atonement on behalf of mankind so they have not yet "believed".

I do not believe there is a need for "punishment".  I know some disagree, and there are some verses indicating pain (weeping and gnashing of teeth, etc).  But IMO, the punishment of being immersed into the Lake of Fire, aka Gods presence aka LOVE is overwhelming, but the only suffering is kinda like when you get into a very hot hot tub.  It stings for a minute because your body has to acclimate.  But then its Amazing. 

:2c:

[2Th 1:9 ESV] They will suffer the punishment of eternal [aionios] destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day...

This scripture says there will be punishment, but I don't think God would punish anyone without there be a need.  So then why do you believe there will be no need for punishment?

Also, the phrase "weeping and gnashing of teeth" I believe describes deep sorrow, rather than an indication of pain.

That describes ancient Israel's "Day of Atonement" to a T... (imo)

I did a search and it seems there's quite a few theories out there as to the Spring Feasts and Fall Feast prophesying the 1st and 2nd Advents of Jesus..

a couple of links on this which look interesting (which I only partially scanned however)
Long but they seem to start out good,
tho not understanding UR, they seem to miss somewhat,
and "elul" seems to be an addition to Lev 23:
http://www.cofac.org/atonement.html - goes into the two goats, the scapegoat..
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/festivals_2/4.html - the very positive side..

This one is interesting from a Jewish believer point of view:
http://www.jewishvoice.org/messianic-education/jewish-roots/feasts/prophetic-nature.html

[marie glen]

The church even get's this wrong, but the many ET'ers will be in awe of the Love of Father and the multitude who stand with Christ who accept them with open arms, just as the father of the prodigal son.


Love is EVERYTHING!!!!!!  :HeartThrob:


Love Julie

I believe that! That the 2nd resurrection which had "died in their sins" therefor rise in their sins (DOA) but learn of God's Great Plan of Salvation.. repent, mourn their sins for a bit like we did, then will "believe" and thus their names will be (added) in the Book of Life, for what is required to have one's name written in the Book of Life? And where does it say this can ONLY occur beFore one's death? (Making this a Great Day of Atonement/AT-One-Ment... for "all"... Because "Love IS everything"!

If the Fall Feast schedule typifies the events of the 2nd advent, and the millennium of Jesus lasts "1000 years" (typified by the "ten days" feast of trumpets) and between Atonement and Tabernacles is 5 days, I believe that allows 500 years for all of the 2nd resurrection to believe, repent and be born again.. experiencing a Lake of Fiery repentance and purification/transformation the same as the elect did/do..

I finally did a search online on the Fall Feasts as prophecy and/or as typifying the 2nd Advent of Jesus, and there's lots of theories out there! But not understanding UR and all that says about our dear Father, these theories, to me, seem to fall short.. But! I see more than just I am onto this idea.. :myahoo:

[marie glen]

can you say  LOF PREPARED FOR satanandhis demons

I recently did a study of the verses listed in the concordance which include "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" or "wailing and gnashing of teeth".. very interesting.. [and compared it to Lev 23:26-29 ("not of works, lest any should boast")]

I agree that the LOF is for the devil and his angels.. Even those two of rev 19:20 who are thrown alive into the LOF (at Jesus' return) are, imo, institutions of men (and devils) which are active at the time.. The beast here being the big or world (body?)/beast of rev 13:1-10 (not the little one of 11-18 which is a two horned office which released a new fire, the 'miracle' or ability of, given by)

the second one thrown into the LOF at Jesus' return, the false prophet/teaching(?)/theory(?) which began as a man but became a white frocked magician, one which developed the fire capability I just mentioned of rev 13:13 and also that notorious end time 666 apparatus.. who else does miracles and wonders more than our white frocked magicians? And thus far? Imo (Rev 19:20) No humans in the LOF, or at least the one which is "the 2nd death". I believe fiery judgments whether literal or spiritual are also LOF's.. Like at Rev 19:11-14 and 20:7-9.
                :gsmile:

[JulieTang84]

I never thought of that before.  The scripture does not say that the wicked or unbelievers will "weep and gnash their teeth" - it simply says "in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."  Doesn't say who will be doing it. :Chinscratch:

OTOH, I would not assume that it will be the evil spirits either - unless you have a scripture reference to back that up?

JB Love is what Love does. If LOVE in its purest form must punish to the point of tears and gnashing of teeth then the LOVE is far less perfect than my own. For pure love heals, protects, nurtures and removes all blemishes by its pure brilliance. This is the LOVE that Jesus taught. Please do not be pulled into the snare of popular belief.

Father IS LOVE and Jesus Forgave. This is truth.

Love Julie  :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

can you say  LOF PREPARED FOR satanandhis demons

Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

I always wondered about that verse. Is it a conclusive list? I think it depends on the translation/interpretation of 'angels'.

Humans are no angels but I can, for example, see ET preachers are satan's messengers.
Demons are no angels (devils are) but they can be messengers I assume.

[WhiteWings]

Also, the phrase "weeping and gnashing of teeth" I believe describes deep sorrow, rather than an indication of pain.

The weeping is not because where they are but where they want to be. They are kicked out of the room/house with the wedding party. That includes everyone not holding a burning lamp when the groom arrives. The 5 foolish virgins didn't and were not let in. Keep in mind the 5 were not enemies of the groom (Jesus) because obviously it was an honor being a bridesmaid. I would say they are slacking Christians and similar. Not Christ haters as so many seem to think.

[Tom]

"Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers." (Matthew 25:41)

"41 The Slanderer and his messengers will be the chief instigators of the fearful anti-Semitic outbreak of the end time. It will be the greatest of all pogroms, and men will be urged on by malignant spirit powers to do all that is possible to exterminate the people who refuse to worship Satan's christ, or to bow down to his image. Being superhuman, the wild beast and the false prophet will have their portion in that lake of fire into which the Slanderer is cast more than a millennium later (Un.20:10)." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 49)

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

[marie glen]

"Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers." (Matthew 25:41)

"41 The Slanderer and his messengers will be the chief instigators of the fearful anti-Semitic outbreak of the end time. It will be the greatest of all pogroms, and men will be urged on by malignant spirit powers to do all that is possible to exterminate the people who refuse to worship Satan's christ, or to bow down to his image. Being superhuman, the wild beast and the false prophet will have their portion in that lake of fire into which the Slanderer is cast more than a millennium later (Un.20:10)." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 49)

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

I find myself thinking when Jesus returns "with angels and with fire" - I think of "the fire" as fiery judgment like in Old Testament days but as man's splitting of the atom, as I figure all of this "shadow of death" is the natural result and consequences of mankind's own doings.. God proving (for all eternity?) what is good from what is evil (life from death and what works from what simply never can)..

'destruction intended for the devil and his angels' but those who don't know, are backslidden, or especially those who are carrying out evil in the day will have their part in that fiery judgment/consequence,result.. a LOF on earth in the Middle East in the "valley of decision" the one which runs down to the dead sea, the first (example of a fiery judgment) Lake Of Fire destruction.. from which the smoke of them all will rise up forever and ever, a poetic way of saying the memory of them will never be forgotten.

When I think of our Father God, I find myself with this word in my mind "purpose" (His purpose).. Imo, what He is doing/His purpose, is revealed in our Holy Writ and also how He is bringing it all about..

thanks for the link to the chart to check out.. :smile:

[Tom]

"Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers." (Matthew 25:41)

"41 The Slanderer and his messengers will be the chief instigators of the fearful anti-Semitic outbreak of the end time. It will be the greatest of all pogroms, and men will be urged on by malignant spirit powers to do all that is possible to exterminate the people who refuse to worship Satan's christ, or to bow down to his image. Being superhuman, the wild beast and the false prophet will have their portion in that lake of fire into which the Slanderer is cast more than a millennium later (Un.20:10)." (Concordant Commentary on the New Testament page 49)

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

I find myself thinking when Jesus returns "with angels and with fire" - I think of "the fire" as fiery judgment like in Old Testament days but as man's splitting of the atom, as I figure all of this "shadow of death" is the natural result and consequences of mankind's own doings.. God proving (for all eternity?) what is good from what is evil (life from death and what works from what simply never can)..

'destruction intended for the devil and his angels' but those who don't know, are backslidden, or especially those who are carrying out evil in the day will have their part in that fiery judgment/consequence,result.. a LOF on earth in the Middle East in the "valley of decision" the one which runs down to the dead sea, the first (example of a fiery judgment) Lake Of Fire destruction.. from which the smoke of them all will rise up forever and ever, a poetic way of saying the memory of them will never be forgotten.

When I think of our Father God, I find myself with this word in my mind "purpose" (His purpose).. Imo, what He is doing/His purpose, is revealed in our Holy Writ and also how He is bringing it all about..

thanks for the link to the chart to check out.. :smile:

Check out the info below the chart regarding the scripture quote.

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html