Prophecy

[marie glen]

 :hiya: ..being mostly a spiritual hermit, studying only the Bible and not from men, I'm not sure what others think when it comes to Bible prophecy.. not sure what's meant by the "historic view"..

But I do know there's lots of cross references between the prophets and the Book of Rev.. and the Bk of Rev was written in 90a.d. (approx) so could not be prophesying 70a.d.

If we carefully read the 6th SEAL, rev 6:12 and on.. knowing the seals progress/gallop, and are described here so veRy early on in the narrative, as a blend of 2 things, what they are when they begin + what they are when they end, aka, when they are fuLLY matured. (Providing a lock on the vision for many days.)

It then becomes quite obvious that SEAL 6 is the Opening of atomic warfare. After which is a pause of it (7:1). That is where we are. Right there, in that pause of SEAL 6 (smack dab at 7:1).

When the pause of it is broken, that is when the 7th SEAL is Opened, and is followed by another pause, tho not as long. (While the 7 TRUMPETers line up...)

the 6th SEAL perfectly aligns with 13:13 showing an office the notorious 66 and 6 guy at least at one time, sits in. :gsmile: :2c:

[Jock]

Molly, I agree with your assertion on the anti-Christ being the "Mahdi" and Islam being the conquering hordes who are bent on world domination. Who beheads their victims? People are generally afraid of them now. The caliphate is being built as we speak.
I have been reading books by Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson just recently and they are very convincing. A british soldier (off duty) in London was butchered by two Muslims using knives and meat cleavers and shouting "Alahu Akbar"

link below

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468

Jock

[sheila]

   I see Ishmael..as a typology of the man of sin/carnal......his hand against every man......though all men bear the image

after a fashion of the 'corrupt one ' first.  a wild-ass of a man..his hand shall be against every man...thus the division

  the scattering to the four corners of the heavens and earth...through religion politics and race[a house divided against

itself can not stand]   the promises do not come through this natural lineage

   Zechariah 14;13  the unique day........each man will seize the hand of another and they will attack each other/surely a mark

in the hand..of a beastly carnal divisive nature.

  the promised seed is not like that...all are one in Christ..neither greek nor jew..male nor female..gathered into one new man

in Christ...that spiritual stone that strikes the feet of the image of the carnal...is the new creature...of which all shall

be gathered into one..in Christ

[marie glen]

Jock and Molly,

..and as we 'speak' (lol) they are infiltrating nations aNd the world body known as the un..

the dove, or rather, the donkey (politics) will partner with the crow/vulture !!!

[Jock]

Yep, and it's interesting to note that all places, towns, countries mentioned in the Bible, are Islamic, apart from Israel.

Recommend "God's war on terror" by Walid Shoebat.

Jock

[marie glen]

Oh yes! Love that guy! am going to watch on youtube "God's war on terror" today.. I think I've seen part of it.. I'm thinking of ordering the book..

[Lazarus Short]

Marie, here is another way to look at the sixth seal:

http://www.johnhorrigan.com/darkday.html

It's a fairly long essay, but worthwhile, if in fact the events in New England in 1780 were in fulfillment of prophecy.

For the falling stars, we have this:

http://www.patmospapers.com/ndex/stars.htm

As to the rest of the opening of the sixth seal, I just don't know...

[marie glen]

hi Lazarus.. I'll confess I'm pretty convinced when it comes to the 6th seal, because when you read it, it speaks of people going into the holes and caves, and I'm old enough to remember "bomb shelters" and when I read it, it screamed at me, "bomb shelters!"

But someone will never see it if they don't realize, by re reading it, that the seals are described as an intertwining, a blend, of what it is when first Opened/broken (aka, the scroll opened further by the seal being broken) and the other intertwined cord is what it is in its fully progressed (galloped) form at the 'end'. These two cords, or threads, (its beginning and its end) are intertwined, and are not in a list or in order, but are blended together or twined.

Both Isaiah and Hosea speak of men hiding in the caves and holes.. cover us..

It was a dark day in 1945 over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.. and in the final conflagration (fullness of the 6th seal) "the earth will rock to and fro" - from earth it is bound to look like the stars are falling.. (much more so than meteor showers or halebob)

After the new element of the age is released by the opening of the 6th seal, there is a pause, lest any wind harm earth or trees.. the new wind is paused.. which is exactly what we see, and is exactly where we are.. when this new element/fire/wind is re-released (limited) within it are the 7 trumpets.. aka, within atomic warfare is the 7 trumpets; and within the final (big) use of it, will be the 7 bowls (He comes with fire and with angels - which after the tribulation of those days.. he will send out to gather his elect.)

Look at the other seals - (without what we've been told about them) -  the years of our Lord a.d. is the latter age.. one comes out riding a white horse, conquering and to conquer.. "Christ was openly victorious over principalities and powers" - those olde 'gods' (of Canaan, moon god of human sacrifice, etc)

the 2nd seal, still man's constant companion.. war - "he is given a great sword" - "a long sword" other versions say..

the 3rd seal.. always rides with war, shortage, imbalance

the 4th seal, a pale sickly horse (greenish) and (hades?) follows after him.. the grave! follows after him, including the mass grave, we have already seen some of.. 4th apocalyptic element of this latter age of man, pestilence including chemical (warfare) which the mass grave follows after it.

5th seal, the blood of christian martydom cries out to God even as the blood of Abel did -

6th seal - a wind so strong it eventually causes the earth to rock to and fro in a great earthquake and the fires of it are reflected by the moon.. (red moon)

then.. a pause. Verse 7:1, no wind to harm earth or tree.. the (new, fiery) wind is paused..

It's hard for me to understand how it's so hidden..

Also rev 13;13 - a man/office brings fire to earth in the sight of men.. from the sky is as it appears to men, especially those it fell upon.. this convinces mankind/the nations, to rebuild the image of the beast (a world body/panel) - what sort of fire from the sky are we waiting for? from a wand? it doesn't say anything about a wand. It says brings fire from the sky to earth in the sight of men.

Most of mainstream Christianity doesn't believe the u.s. is in Bible prophecy. What?! And thermal nuclear warfare capability and occurrence, not there either? capitalism and socialism? islam? all missing? Nope. All there.

socialism will devour, and raze with fire, capitalism
a strong islamic leader will make war with the strongest of nations (when he sits in the sec gen seat? once having been in the 13:13 office?) - he will not honor women (gen 3:15, always against woman)
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here's my other points I find it hard to believe ppl cannot see...

(gen 3:15, always against woman) but woman birthed Christ whom Herod tried to devour, but He was lifted up to the right hand of God.. so the adversary pursued the woman (70a.d) to europe mostly, then there was war in heaven and the adversary is then restricted from the heavens, so in great rage again persecuted (inquisitioned) the woman; but she's given the two wings of an EAGLE so she CAN fly (SAIL) to a new place from the FACE of the adversary for 3.5 MODERN divisions of time.. 1620 -> 1970 then the serpent (guise) vomited-water / a flood (proliferation) of filth/indecency in order to wash her away.. make her fall away.. But the earth will open its mouth and swallow the flood (drought as prophesied by Jesus in Luke 23:28-31, and of course, Joel) - and then the nations are gathered to war, surround Israel, who by now, has the testimony of Jesus...
= for Jesus said "you (Jerusalem) shall not see me again until you say blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD" -- REv 16:14,15,16 - #14-kings gather for Armegeddon; #15-blessed the one keeping his garments handy/on, for I come quickly; #16-and to armegeddon the armies are gathered.

"And the Lord ALONE will be exalted in that day."

Sorry to carry on so! [but WHY is the irs being ARMED?? what office is pinpointed by rev 13:13? And WHO is actively and persistently infiltrating the world body?? to what end?/purpose? why do so many in our own nation declare Islam is a religion of peace, and Christianity of bigotry,etc? even our own president, why?? because we deserve it? NO. The purpose is Rev 20:4b]

One more ? - what gives breath/authority to the world beast/body ((rev 13:1-10 is a world 'beast' as opposed to 11-18, a man, or more precisely, an office, which brought fire from the sky to earth)) Answer: it's the man/office of 11-18! the HEAD, which did not originally sign on, even tho it was dreamed up by one in this office, thus was the head.. so it expired.. Then was born anew after the fire from the sky to the earth in the sight of men. [The Islamic madhi is prophesied to bring 7 years of peace.. Daniel says it's a covenant/treaty/"league" of one week of years.]

Christendom is waiting for a magical pope who with his wand will bring a puff of fire and mesmerize the world. - The world is already mesmerized!!! both by the $iTy harlot(ry) and especially by the rest i've been babbling about/against.. :hiya:

[eaglesway]

It seems to me that if we read the word literally we would understand that the sixth seal was opened around two thousand years ago in a vision given to John upon the isle of Patmos. The sealed book that was held in the hand of the one who sits on the throne contained revelations, prophesies to be understood in several ways on several levels like "wheels within wheels". Within the section of the book contained within the sixth seal, is a vision of the great Day of God that all men wake up into- the heavens are "rolled up like a scroll" and "every eye shall see Him even those who pierced Him" and no one is able to stand. "Yet once more I will shake the heavens and the earth until only that which cannot be shaken remains".

The stars of heaven are shaken to the earth as "untimely figs", prematurely cast down by a mighty wind--- have you ever seen this? Unripened fruit laying about beneath a tree, food for the earth because of a wind blowing them off their purchase?

Rev 2:1  "To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this: 'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance,........but I have this against you, you have left your first love.

This is speaking of the judgment of God, His "trying of the reigns and the hearts IN THE DAY- "For now the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God with the elders at Jerusalem" - the stars are held in His hand are the apostles/messengers/presbyteries of the "gatherings of called out ones"(see I Cor 3 1:11-18)

1Co 3:11-15  For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.  (12)  Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,  (13)  each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.  (14)  If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.  (15)  If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.


"Those who lead the many to righteousness will shine like stars in the heavens"(Dan)...But if they are weighed in the balance and found wanting they  are shaken off by the wind to "Fall like unripe figs" in the Day of the Lord.


"For the day of the Lord comes like a thief"- to those who walk in darkness,or those who sleep in the light. The Lord "Comes Quickly/Suddenly(Malachi 3:1-6, Rev 22:15)  and the veil is rent and the heavens are "rolled back like a scroll". "The Day shall not take you as a thief for you are children of the light, walking in the Day"- for those who watch, and listen, and walk "in the Day" the veil is already rent- he that believes in me though he die yet shall he live."  "Everyone who believes in me has passed from death into life." Therefore watch and pray for the spirit is willing and the flesh is weak and you know not the day or the hour. Walk in the light as He is in the light."

AWAKE O SLEEPER and arise from the dead and the LIGHT OF CHRIST WILL SHINE ON YOU.

Gen 1:5-8  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.  And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.  And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven.

Col 1:12-13  Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:   Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Each seal is opened the words "Come and see". For instance, in brief, the fifth seal reveals that the age will be fulfilled when the harvest of "many sons unto glory" is complete. If we suffer with Him then we will also reign with Him. It is a revelation of one of God's purposes in this age- He is gathering sons.

The sealed book, imo, is the book that was sealed at the end of Daniels revelation "Seal up the testimony for the time is afar off." Dan 12:4

At the end of John's revelation the words are, "Seal not the scroll because the time is AT HAND"Rev 22:10. The seals were all already broken at that point, the scroll remains "open" to all who have ears to "hear what the Spirit is saying to the called out ones".

"Come and see". It has never been sealed since and indeed cannot be sealed because the Lamb broke the seals and they will never again be sealed.

As the following verses explain, it is only sealed "to us" because we "cannot hear"- but the poor in spirit can, "hear what the Spirit is saying" because the "sword of His mouth" has separated the wheat from the chaff and His "eyes of firey flames" have thoroughly purged His threshing floor.

Isa 29:10-24  For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep(awake o sleeper), and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered(blinded/veiled).  And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed(This cannot be understood yet excuse):   And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned(I am not smart/educated enough excuse).   Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men(real reason we can't understand):    Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.   Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? (I am he that tries the reins and the hearts)  Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness(Come and See).   The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.  For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:  That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.  Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.   But when he sees his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.  They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

In the gathering of the called out ones all that is hidden is brought to light(lake of fire, maybe? :o)(1 Cor 2:1-16, Heb 12 entire)

As it is written in Hebrews,

Heb 10:37-39  FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE, HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY(Behold I come quickly).   BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.  But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction(the potter crushes the marred vessel in order to remake it), but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul(finished vessels fired and set upon the mantel).

"In a little while", "In that Day", "these are biblical code words for both stage level and overall universal fulfillments of the promises of God.  Behold I am coming quickly. Come Quickly Lord Jesus.

We are all longing for the day that has dawned to be fulfilled and indeed the whole creation groans with us, eagerly awaiting the revelation of the sons of God, through whom the creation will be set free from futility into the glorious liberty of the sons of God.

Rev 5:7-14  And He came and took the book out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.   When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.  And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."   Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands,  saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing." And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."  And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen."

So, if we read everything absolutely literally/historically the book is not unsealed until "Every created thing in heaven and on earth and under the earth and all things give glory to the Lamb", just look at it and see it there. But we of course cannot- it is the apocalypse(revelation) of John given for those who have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the  called out ones. What is that?

Come and See :o)   Come drink freely of the water of life :o) Let everyone who thirsts, Come :o) Let everyone who has ears to hear, Hear- BEHOLD I AM MAKING ALL THINGS NEW- BEHOLD, I AM COMING QUICKLY :o)

These are just my own opinions given for the purpose of perspective, not intended for debate as such. Peace.

[sheila]

Hi John....my post is in regard to 'in a little while" referred to in your post. As I had a dream vision 3 mornings ago.....

of standing with a few people..and a baby was there,when a giant waave of water rose up.   I said 'give me the baby"

and held him as the wave crashed down on us. Then I was standing ,with others,with the child in my arms..and a voice said

"and in a little while" it will be alright.

   I did some looking into the scriptures about Jesus telling them..you will not see me..and in a little while you will see me again

...as He underwent His cross .

  I also see the wall of water about to crash down as floodwaters of the dragon..sent to wash the woman away....and it will

not. For He will establish her in the earth   [temporal camp then permanent...the Holy city He loves.............

   I welcome any insight from all of you in regard to this dream/vision.....   a multitude of counselors there is wisdom..

[sheila]

new insight..just now.    A final assault of the lower waters against the Higher waters.[manchild/throne].in the camp of the Holy city

   that will not overcome....

[Deena]

Sheila, I don't know what it means, but I had a similar dream a few months ago.  It was actually two-fold.  First I saw myself in a very tall building with multiple floors and I knew it was going to collapse.  I said to God, ok, but please don't make it hurt too much.  In the same night, I had a dream that I was standing on a beach just staring at the wall of water approaching.  I knew it was going to crash down on all of us standing there.  I braced myself and said Ok.  The dream disturbed me at the time.  Like I said, I don't know what it means.  It could mean I need to stop watching the news.  That is enough to give anyone nightmares.

By the way, did anyone catch this on the news: The Pope announces he believes all people have been "redeemed" by Christ.  I saw this on the Fox News ticker.  They also added, "not all Christians agree with him."  Did anyone else catch this?

[OneThing]

Deena - thanks so much for sharing the news about Pope Francis's statement re:  all redeemed by Christ...  I just spend a few minutes reading various news sites, which I would not have done without your calling this news to our attention.  I am truly encouraged not because suddenly all Catholics will have to believe that all are redeemed, but because I've been praying for some kind of opening for me to begin a serious discussion on Jesus Christ Savior of all men with my very, very Catholic family and other relatives... I have many, many cousins with whom I do have a rather friendly relationship... I'm in the process of composing my annual good newsletter to family and friends...  so much to discuss with them and now I have an opening given by the pope... oh my...

Sheila, I have been praying about your request re: your dream vision... so far it seems that I won't be any help...  except, of course, to pray that you will be given a clear insight...

[sheila]

   ty guys...and yes,I had caught that...about Francis.    Glad Father has opened a door for you in the catholic faith..OT

     and Deena...it was definetly a Holy spirit dream..right upon wakening...they have a different 'something' about them

   from your run of the mill dreams.

[Deena]

I'm glad the info was useful.  I hesitated because I wasn't quite sure it was true (about the Pope)--glad to know it is!  What an interesting development, and something hopeful in this gloom and doom world.

[marie glen]

Hi John....my post is in regard to 'in a little while" referred to in your post. As I had a dream vision 3 mornings ago.....

of standing with a few people..and a baby was there,when a giant waave of water rose up.   I said 'give me the baby"

and held him as the wave crashed down on us. Then I was standing ,with others,with the child in my arms..and a voice said

"and in a little while" it will be alright.

   I did some looking into the scriptures about Jesus telling them..you will not see me..and in a little while you will see me again

...as He underwent His cross .

  I also see the wall of water about to crash down as floodwaters of the dragon..sent to wash the woman away....and it will

not. For He will establish her in the earth   [temporal camp then permanent...the Holy city He loves.............

   I welcome any insight from all of you in regard to this dream/vision.....   a multitude of counselors there is wisdom..

To me, Shiela, the dream would mean flood waters of global affairs which the Church (plural) is like a babe in their understanding.. so some will be caught unawares and suffer things the Spirit of God meant to warn of.. a few days they could have avoided.. but, nevermind.. or even so.. all 'ends' well in the end of course.. and global affairs when all untruth will fall (as it only can do, fall and fail of course "in the day the towers fall" so if they knew the signs they would "come out.." and avoid the plague of great hail John saw in his vision/debris).. but of course the flood of destruction is actually short lived, and God/all truth remains standing and wins all in the 'end' which is only the 'end' of men's kingdoms and all which is false and untrue..

[sheila]

    very good,Marie...that makes a lot of sense.   thank you.

[marie glen]

These are just my own opinions given for the purpose of perspective, not intended for debate as such. Peace.

Amen! I see no reason why sons and daughters of God cannot have friendly dialog, even touching on topics they see differently.. As you may have surmised I believe the scroll which is unrolled as seal by seal is broken, is a vision.. revealed at the beginning/opening of the new age of Christ (years of our Lord a.d. if you will) by He who "sees the end from the beginning" of all things, also does here (of course, lol!) when the age of Christendom began.. how it would fall away by a flood of indecency and also by the false prophecy/teacher/teaching, which began as a man (darwin).. and geesh! there I go again! :ghaha: :girlheart:

[marie glen]

    :ty: Sheila :)

[eaglesway]

In a little while, to me, means in the resurrection. It will all come out in the wash :o) so to speak. We look for earthly fulfillments, and they have come and more will, but in the end it will be at the consummation of the age that we will see all these things resolved and our tears wiped away. Sheila, when the waters came up- you went for the baby. I think the dream is a revelation of your heart as much as anything else.

In a little while, to me, means all this length of suffering we endure in His name will seem only a blink of time when we are free from this earthly tent, standing in the "great assembly", celebrating the victory of the Lamb.(Rev 5:13)

:o)

Marie, I agree, it is wonderful when we, as mature disciples of Crist, can share our differing views in a spirit of fellowship and "midrash". If anyone is wise they are always listening for truth in the words of their brethren- refining their own understanding and open to adjustment.

Many of the things that we call differences are only because we are focusing on an facet of a larger jewel and both perspectives will be incorporated in the whole counsel of God when we finally get the perspective we need. "Come up here" :o) He says to us all. Seated in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus where all spiritual blessings abide.

I like to think we are trying to help one another see, as opposed to "seeing first" or "seeing best".

Peace.

[sheila]

ty so much for the insight,John. as the wave crashed..there was a few secounds at most of loss of consciousness..or blackness

then,as I said, I was standing there with other's,and the baby was in my arms...and avoice said  'and in a little while,it

will be alright"

   deep calls to deep,in the roar of your waaterfalls all your waves and breakers have swept over me.

   Psalms 42..seems to apply too.


   

[eaglesway]

Yet in a little while He who is coming will come and will not delay, but my righteous one will live by faith, but if he shrink back my soul will have no pleasure in him- but we are not of those who shrink back unto perdition, but of those who perservere to the preserving of the soul.

Yet once more will I shake the heavens and the earth until only that which cannot be shaken remains.

I think the blackness represents a period of of not understanding or perhaps being overwhelmed. Often when waves come we assume they are for us but often they are so that when the water recedes only we will be left standing and the presently infantile purpose of God left standing in our arms.

For instance- what if a worldwide wav of persectution reduced the institutional churches to state run images that speak as if alive but are really dead/666. Doesnt this just make room for the true gospel to flourish?

Sometimes I think we confuse what is happening as being from Satan when really it is God purging and trying and wooing a pure gold offering out of the fire.

"It is I who creates the smith that blows the coals".

I think we often get anxious and panicky at changes we see in the world when we ought to be on the roof rejoicing. What have we to lose? Have we really counted all as loss? How else shall we find ourselves embedded in His purpose and plan?

When the blackness clears the baby is in your arms- the purpose of God sustained and safe, nurtured in the arms of its mother(our mother is the Jerusalem from above who is free)

Among other things perhaps an encouragement to trust your instincts and hold fast when the water gets deep :o)

[marie glen]

Re:  focusing on a facet of a larger jewel...all perspectives will be incorporated in the whole counsel of God when we get the perspective we need.  Come up here

eaglesway, as I was reading your very gracious and loving reply to both Sheila and Marie, I couldn't help but reflect on our tenants getting ready for our annual Memorial Day Potluck...  and comparing TM Forum to a Huge Potluck.  Each of us brings our favorite dish and we all end up getting to taste, to enjoy a variety of flavors, textures, etc., as well as exchanging recipes, etc.,  come and dine :)... 

I continue to be grateful for the variety of "flavors", "textures", "recipes" etc. that I enjoy at the Huge Potluck aka Tentmaker Forum.  I feel like a permanent guest with posting rights as I stay awhile, leave awhile, come back awhile. May God's  peace, grace, joy, life, love in abundance be ever present in all members, guests...

         What a gracious and wise post, and a blessing! :smile: :gthumbsup:

[marie glen]

Yet in a little while He who is coming will come and will not delay, but my righteous one will live by faith, but if he shrink back my soul will have no pleasure in him- but we are not of those who shrink back unto perdition, but of those who perservere to the preserving of the soul.

Yet once more will I shake the heavens and the earth until only that which cannot be shaken remains.

I think the blackness represents a period of of not understanding or perhaps being overwhelmed. Often when waves come we assume they are for us but often they are so that when the water recedes only we will be left standing and the presently infantile purpose of God left standing in our arms.

For instance- what if a worldwide wav of persectution reduced the institutional churches to state run images that speak as if alive but are really dead/666. Doesnt this just make room for the true gospel to flourish?

Sometimes I think we confuse what is happening as being from Satan when really it is God purging and trying and wooing a pure gold offering out of the fire.

"It is I who creates the smith that blows the coals".

I think we often get anxious and panicky at changes we see in the world when we ought to be on the roof rejoicing. What have we to lose? Have we really counted all as loss? How else shall we find ourselves embedded in His purpose and plan?

When the blackness clears the baby is in your arms- the purpose of God sustained and safe, nurtured in the arms of its mother(our mother is the Jerusalem from above who is free)

Among other things perhaps an encouragement to trust your instincts and hold fast when the water gets deep :o)

amen..

Psalm 46:1,2 - Young's Literal Translation (YLT) - "To the Overseer. -- By sons of Korah. `For the Virgins.' -- A song. God [is] to us a refuge and strength, (KJV) Therefore we will not fear, Even (if) the earth be removed, And even (if) the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea." :smile:

& another instance or word of any unveiling or judgment, being of God, His will, purpose and Spirit, is:
Revelation 17:16,17 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled." (note: this to my mind, of course, rofL, or the mind God has given me, seems to refer to government/socialism will (finally) consume capitalism (and all empire) which lacks God. Strong's "harlot=pornos,to sell" she seduces and mesmerizes the nations/7continents w/her enchantments,has a gold cup of side effects, the kings are in bed with her, and she made the merchants of earth wealthy by her sorceries/spells cast, and her forehead, babble(all untruth,imho) is responsible for all slain upon earth..rev chapters17&18:)

[rosered]

Lovely , just so precious  everyone 
truly the Lord is awaking us  to a bright  morning 
I agree its love that edifies  , and the knowledge puffs  up [  voices as many waters swell up]  and  the many waters from above , wow ! everyone is blessed , was not going to say  a word today 
But I cannot help but Praise the Lord for this gloroius day  in Him   :dsunny: